Woman tells how she thought she was going to die when she was attacked by a cow

Woman tells how she thought she was going to die when she was attacked by a cow

Woman tells how she thought she was going to die when she was attacked by a cow

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A WOMAN has told how she thought she was going to die when she was attacked by a cow while walking in the Sussex countryside.

Abby Colmer, 37, from Westdean, Brighton, had to be airlifted to hospital with six broken ribs and a punctured lung after she was charged and trampled by a cow while walking near Devil’s Dyke.

The photographer was taking one of her regular walks across the Downs when an animal from a herd of cattle charged her.

She said: “It was completely terrifying; I thought I was going to die.”

Ms Colmer added: “I was heading back towards my car and there was a little herd of cows with their calves.

“There was one that was looking particularly stroppy so I turned around and walked away to avoid eye contact – then I felt something slam into my back.

“I was winded and I went down, it was ramming me with its head and putting all its weight onto me.

“Six of my ribs down one side were broken and it seemed to go on forever.”

A couple who she passed on the path earlier came to her aid.

She said the cow charged them, knocking down the man, but they managed to scare it off.

The three then had to climb over a barbed wire fence to escape the animal. She said: “I would really like to thank all the amazing people who cared for me – the couple who saved me, the air ambulance crew, the staff at Royal Sussex County Hospital and my family and friends.”

East Sussex County Council has previously issued a warning to ramblers that the usually docile animals can become aggressive – especially when calves are present.

Malcolm McDonnell, East Sussex footpath secretary for The Ramblers, said: “Our beautiful East Sussex countryside is working farmland, which helps form its character and make it such a pleasure to walk in.

“Fortunately attacks by cattle are few and far between, but with any working environment there are certain risks.

“We would urge everyone out walking to be aware of the dos and don'ts, especially at this time of year, but try not to let the very low risk of cattle attacks put you off enjoying the countryside when it is arguably at its loveliest.”

Ms Colmer said she wants to rally to change the law and have better warnings over the dangers of cattle attacks in calving season.

It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed.

 

AROUND 60 incidents of cow attacks are reported each year.to the Health and Safety executive nationally.

Back in 2007 Inspector Chris Poole of Sussex Police was walking his dog Zack up on the South Downs when he was charged by a herd that left him with broken ribs and a punctured lung.

The National Farmers Union and The Ramblers have issued their joint list of do's and don'ts.

  • Don't try get between cows and their calves · Don't hang onto your dog. If you are threatened by cattle - let it go as the cattle will chase the dog.
  • Don't put yourself at risk. Find another way round the cattle and rejoin the footpath as soon as possible.
  • Don't panic or run. Most cattle will stop before they reach you. If they follow just walk on quietly.
  • Do be prepared for cattle to react to your presence, especially if you have a dog with you.
  • Do move quickly and quietly, and if possible walk around the herd.
  • Do keep your dog close and under effective control on a lead.

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7:04am Sat 31 May 14

Quiterie says...

There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.
There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece. Quiterie
  • Score: 28

8:44am Sat 31 May 14

fratsomrover says...

Silly cow !!
Silly cow !! fratsomrover
  • Score: 2

8:47am Sat 31 May 14

Take it Personally says...

"It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory
"It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory Take it Personally
  • Score: 60

8:49am Sat 31 May 14

babsticals says...

Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows !
Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows ! babsticals
  • Score: 30

8:54am Sat 31 May 14

fratsomrover says...

Take it Personally wrote:
"It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory
I agree totally. How stupid some people are.
[quote][p][bold]Take it Personally[/bold] wrote: "It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory[/p][/quote]I agree totally. How stupid some people are. fratsomrover
  • Score: 46

8:56am Sat 31 May 14

babsticals says...

After reading 'take it personally s' comment,the farmer took the wrong decision to have the cow destroyed,poor thing.It was probably just protecting its calves. I'm not going to say the woman deserved being attacked,but again,common sense needs to be put into practice ! Stay out of fields that have cattle in!
After reading 'take it personally s' comment,the farmer took the wrong decision to have the cow destroyed,poor thing.It was probably just protecting its calves. I'm not going to say the woman deserved being attacked,but again,common sense needs to be put into practice ! Stay out of fields that have cattle in! babsticals
  • Score: 68

8:59am Sat 31 May 14

Nikski says...

Poor cow! I mean the one the farmer destroyed, it was only protecting its young. Just goes to show what disposable commodities farm animals are. I sympathise with this woman too as it must have been a frightening experience for her, but was it really necessary to destroy the beast? Couldn't (shouldn't) the farmer just have put up warning signs?
Poor cow! I mean the one the farmer destroyed, it was only protecting its young. Just goes to show what disposable commodities farm animals are. I sympathise with this woman too as it must have been a frightening experience for her, but was it really necessary to destroy the beast? Couldn't (shouldn't) the farmer just have put up warning signs? Nikski
  • Score: 40

9:05am Sat 31 May 14

J Hill says...

Quiterie wrote:
There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.
Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills."
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.[/p][/quote]Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills." J Hill
  • Score: -1

9:07am Sat 31 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Westdene not Westdean.
Westdene not Westdean. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 20

9:15am Sat 31 May 14

Bigsis5 says...

I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle. Bigsis5
  • Score: -9

9:15am Sat 31 May 14

Max Ripple says...

J Hill wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.
Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills."
Exactly.. Westdene.....not WestDEAN.
On the main note - no-one should go anywhere remotely near an animal and it's young. You don't know what the animal is feeling or thinking. It was just protecting its calf. First rule of being in the countryside. Stay away from fields of cows. Or horses.
[quote][p][bold]J Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.[/p][/quote]Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills."[/p][/quote]Exactly.. Westdene.....not WestDEAN. On the main note - no-one should go anywhere remotely near an animal and it's young. You don't know what the animal is feeling or thinking. It was just protecting its calf. First rule of being in the countryside. Stay away from fields of cows. Or horses. Max Ripple
  • Score: 34

9:39am Sat 31 May 14

Fairfax Aches says...

exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".
exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted". Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -4

9:46am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Take it Personally wrote:
"It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory
I was brought up on a farm looking after a herd of cow's all the woman had to do is wave her hands and get away from the calf.The cow obviously thought her calf was at risk they are non-aggressive animals.All animals are to some extent protective to there young I have a blackbirds nest in my garden if I go near it the blackbird attacks me ITS CALLED NATURE.
[quote][p][bold]Take it Personally[/bold] wrote: "It is understood the farmer took the decision to have the cow destroyed"-there, I hope she's happy now. Poor cow killed because this silly cow strayed into her territory[/p][/quote]I was brought up on a farm looking after a herd of cow's all the woman had to do is wave her hands and get away from the calf.The cow obviously thought her calf was at risk they are non-aggressive animals.All animals are to some extent protective to there young I have a blackbirds nest in my garden if I go near it the blackbird attacks me ITS CALLED NATURE. clubrob6
  • Score: 40

9:46am Sat 31 May 14

her professional says...

Max Ripple wrote:
J Hill wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.
Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills."
Exactly.. Westdene.....not WestDEAN.
On the main note - no-one should go anywhere remotely near an animal and it's young. You don't know what the animal is feeling or thinking. It was just protecting its calf. First rule of being in the countryside. Stay away from fields of cows. Or horses.
Slight overreaction if you look at the level of risk - 60 incidents a year put s it pretty low. Better just to take the Ramblers' advice, there's a degree of risk to everything. How many killed and injured on the roads for example?
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.[/p][/quote]Well according to various sites on the internet "Westdene is an area of the city of Brighton and Hove, East Sussex. It is a northern suburb of the city, west of Patcham, the A23 (London Road) and the London to Brighton railway line, north of Withdean and northeast of West Blatchington. It is on the Brighton side of the historic parish boundary between Brighton and Hove. It is very close to the South Downs, from which it is separated by the Brighton Bypass, and was built on the slopes of two hills."[/p][/quote]Exactly.. Westdene.....not WestDEAN. On the main note - no-one should go anywhere remotely near an animal and it's young. You don't know what the animal is feeling or thinking. It was just protecting its calf. First rule of being in the countryside. Stay away from fields of cows. Or horses.[/p][/quote]Slight overreaction if you look at the level of risk - 60 incidents a year put s it pretty low. Better just to take the Ramblers' advice, there's a degree of risk to everything. How many killed and injured on the roads for example? her professional
  • Score: 7

9:47am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

babsticals wrote:
Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows !
Any animal with a baby will be protective even a human.
[quote][p][bold]babsticals[/bold] wrote: Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows ![/p][/quote]Any animal with a baby will be protective even a human. clubrob6
  • Score: 26

9:48am Sat 31 May 14

Binnybanny says...

The dyke is well know for gusset rustling among ramblers of the "Ms" variety.

I hope she can mooooove on.
The dyke is well know for gusset rustling among ramblers of the "Ms" variety. I hope she can mooooove on. Binnybanny
  • Score: 0

9:57am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

babsticals wrote:
After reading 'take it personally s' comment,the farmer took the wrong decision to have the cow destroyed,poor thing.It was probably just protecting its calves. I'm not going to say the woman deserved being attacked,but again,common sense needs to be put into practice ! Stay out of fields that have cattle in!
I agree destroying the cow was the wrong decision it was only protecting its baby she must have got far too close,i was brought up on a farm in the lake district ALL animals get protective in the breeding season on the fells sheep can charge at you just wave your arms get away from there babies and you are fine.The farm yard was a no go area for strangers when geese had chicks much more aggressive than cow's.Common sence be respective of the animals don't go into there space they are only doing what nature intended respect that.
[quote][p][bold]babsticals[/bold] wrote: After reading 'take it personally s' comment,the farmer took the wrong decision to have the cow destroyed,poor thing.It was probably just protecting its calves. I'm not going to say the woman deserved being attacked,but again,common sense needs to be put into practice ! Stay out of fields that have cattle in![/p][/quote]I agree destroying the cow was the wrong decision it was only protecting its baby she must have got far too close,i was brought up on a farm in the lake district ALL animals get protective in the breeding season on the fells sheep can charge at you just wave your arms get away from there babies and you are fine.The farm yard was a no go area for strangers when geese had chicks much more aggressive than cow's.Common sence be respective of the animals don't go into there space they are only doing what nature intended respect that. clubrob6
  • Score: 21

9:57am Sat 31 May 14

abbyc77 says...

Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs. abbyc77
  • Score: 60

10:00am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Bigsis5 wrote:
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.
[quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.[/p][/quote]The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE. clubrob6
  • Score: -8

10:03am Sat 31 May 14

Withdean11 says...

I'm not sure why people need to be so callous and rude when they don't know the full facts of the story. I personally know this lady and she was merely walking on a public footpath and an area where cows are free to roam, she was not walking through a 'field of cows''. The injuries she received were horrendous and she nearly died and is still struggling to recover in daily pain. She was merely trying to warn others of the low risk but potential dangers of attacks of this nature. Although few and far between these attacks are devastating and can be fatal and families are often walking on this footpath and the same could potentially happen to them. It was the farmers decision to 'destroy' the animal which no one else would have had any part in taking this decision.
I'm not sure why people need to be so callous and rude when they don't know the full facts of the story. I personally know this lady and she was merely walking on a public footpath and an area where cows are free to roam, she was not walking through a 'field of cows''. The injuries she received were horrendous and she nearly died and is still struggling to recover in daily pain. She was merely trying to warn others of the low risk but potential dangers of attacks of this nature. Although few and far between these attacks are devastating and can be fatal and families are often walking on this footpath and the same could potentially happen to them. It was the farmers decision to 'destroy' the animal which no one else would have had any part in taking this decision. Withdean11
  • Score: 20

10:16am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Well experience should have taught you not to turn your back and keep well clear of animals with babies,even birds get aggressive when you get too close to there nest.I was brought up on a farm in charge of a herd of cows common sense should tell you not to get too close.Sheep this time of year are especially aggressive .Cows are normally very quiet animals each with there own character all the cow was doing was being a good mother.But I wish you a speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]Well experience should have taught you not to turn your back and keep well clear of animals with babies,even birds get aggressive when you get too close to there nest.I was brought up on a farm in charge of a herd of cows common sense should tell you not to get too close.Sheep this time of year are especially aggressive .Cows are normally very quiet animals each with there own character all the cow was doing was being a good mother.But I wish you a speedy recovery. clubrob6
  • Score: -6

10:25am Sat 31 May 14

twosugars says...

I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident.
I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident. twosugars
  • Score: 17

10:29am Sat 31 May 14

cookie_brighton says...

ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow.
A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha
ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow. A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha cookie_brighton
  • Score: -2

10:29am Sat 31 May 14

Fight_Back says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".
It's rather important that a "local" paper gets local place names correct. Sadly, because The Argus is now subbed out of Southampton it is no longer a local paper - as highlighted by the mis-spelling of Westdene.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".[/p][/quote]It's rather important that a "local" paper gets local place names correct. Sadly, because The Argus is now subbed out of Southampton it is no longer a local paper - as highlighted by the mis-spelling of Westdene. Fight_Back
  • Score: 20

10:31am Sat 31 May 14

Bigsis5 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Bigsis5 wrote:
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.
The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.[/p][/quote]The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.[/p][/quote]The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you. Bigsis5
  • Score: 8

10:32am Sat 31 May 14

cookie_brighton says...

babsticals wrote:
Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows !
especially when there are calves in the herd.
[quote][p][bold]babsticals[/bold] wrote: Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows ![/p][/quote]especially when there are calves in the herd. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 10

10:44am Sat 31 May 14

greeg2 says...

A" mooving" story.
A" mooving" story. greeg2
  • Score: -1

10:46am Sat 31 May 14

redwing says...

twosugars wrote:
I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident.
Good thought. Also, as the victim Abby suggests, there must be some degree of variation even amongst "placid" animals.
There are stranger beings amongst we humans commenting above however.
Hope you recover soon Abby. Thank you for telling the story.
[quote][p][bold]twosugars[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident.[/p][/quote]Good thought. Also, as the victim Abby suggests, there must be some degree of variation even amongst "placid" animals. There are stranger beings amongst we humans commenting above however. Hope you recover soon Abby. Thank you for telling the story. redwing
  • Score: 11

10:47am Sat 31 May 14

HJarrs says...

abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Thanks for your article. A timely reminder to be vigilant and I hope it hasn't put you off enjoying the wonderful Downs. Sometimes you cannot avoid coming close to cattle as they straddle the public rights of way.

Was a note taken of the breed of cattle? This type of incident was on the increase a few years ago and it was being suggested that demand for increased milk yields has led to the importation of more aggressive cattle varieties.
[quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your article. A timely reminder to be vigilant and I hope it hasn't put you off enjoying the wonderful Downs. Sometimes you cannot avoid coming close to cattle as they straddle the public rights of way. Was a note taken of the breed of cattle? This type of incident was on the increase a few years ago and it was being suggested that demand for increased milk yields has led to the importation of more aggressive cattle varieties. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

11:14am Sat 31 May 14

Mr chock says...

abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
well Abby i do kina know how it feels when a big cow comes towards you and you think all you need do is shout and it will be scared .. a comment above is true it mother and baby "protective reaction " i hope now your ok and that the rather shocking headline is not to sensational and your re reading it over and over and thinking YIKES .. as others have commented your in the cows field i wonder how many other folks have walked throu there that day and not survived......lol
[quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]well Abby i do kina know how it feels when a big cow comes towards you and you think all you need do is shout and it will be scared .. a comment above is true it mother and baby "protective reaction " i hope now your ok and that the rather shocking headline is not to sensational and your re reading it over and over and thinking YIKES .. as others have commented your in the cows field i wonder how many other folks have walked throu there that day and not survived......lol Mr chock
  • Score: -14

11:15am Sat 31 May 14

Mr chock says...

btw abby did you get any photos The photographer was taking one of her regular walks across the Downs when an animal from a herd of cattle charged her.
btw abby did you get any photos The photographer was taking one of her regular walks across the Downs when an animal from a herd of cattle charged her. Mr chock
  • Score: -10

11:18am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

twosugars wrote:
I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident.
I know it could not have happened at a worse time of year the breeding season.
[quote][p][bold]twosugars[/bold] wrote: I wonder if the livestock up at Devils Dyke are still "spooked" by the recent rave with its loud music etc. That could explain this incident.[/p][/quote]I know it could not have happened at a worse time of year the breeding season. clubrob6
  • Score: 4

11:23am Sat 31 May 14

den2il says...

HJarrs wrote:
abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Thanks for your article. A timely reminder to be vigilant and I hope it hasn't put you off enjoying the wonderful Downs. Sometimes you cannot avoid coming close to cattle as they straddle the public rights of way.

Was a note taken of the breed of cattle? This type of incident was on the increase a few years ago and it was being suggested that demand for increased milk yields has led to the importation of more aggressive cattle varieties.
What a load of bull!

Get well Abby.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your article. A timely reminder to be vigilant and I hope it hasn't put you off enjoying the wonderful Downs. Sometimes you cannot avoid coming close to cattle as they straddle the public rights of way. Was a note taken of the breed of cattle? This type of incident was on the increase a few years ago and it was being suggested that demand for increased milk yields has led to the importation of more aggressive cattle varieties.[/p][/quote]What a load of bull! Get well Abby. den2il
  • Score: -13

11:23am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Fairfax Aches wrote:
exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".
It's rather important that a "local" paper gets local place names correct. Sadly, because The Argus is now subbed out of Southampton it is no longer a local paper - as highlighted by the mis-spelling of Westdene.
The same company owns many nespapers across the UK you can tell as there website is exactly the same layout.Plus I bet not many people working for the argus are from here we are becoming like London,the locals are the 16000 on the housing waiting list being forced out.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".[/p][/quote]It's rather important that a "local" paper gets local place names correct. Sadly, because The Argus is now subbed out of Southampton it is no longer a local paper - as highlighted by the mis-spelling of Westdene.[/p][/quote]The same company owns many nespapers across the UK you can tell as there website is exactly the same layout.Plus I bet not many people working for the argus are from here we are becoming like London,the locals are the 16000 on the housing waiting list being forced out. clubrob6
  • Score: 6

11:34am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Bigsis5 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Bigsis5 wrote:
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.
The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you.
Limited experience we had sheep,pigs,goats,cow
s,bullocks,bull,hens
,geese,cats,dogs,hor
ses,ETC yes these paths have a public right of way but you must be carefull during breeding season.If you think you are going to walk too close just make a slight detour the animals will then not feel threatened.But yes you do occasionaly get a animal that will become aggressive just be aware of whats going on around you the animals are only acting naturally.Thankfully these cases are rare.I hope the woman makes a full recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.[/p][/quote]The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.[/p][/quote]The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Limited experience we had sheep,pigs,goats,cow s,bullocks,bull,hens ,geese,cats,dogs,hor ses,ETC yes these paths have a public right of way but you must be carefull during breeding season.If you think you are going to walk too close just make a slight detour the animals will then not feel threatened.But yes you do occasionaly get a animal that will become aggressive just be aware of whats going on around you the animals are only acting naturally.Thankfully these cases are rare.I hope the woman makes a full recovery. clubrob6
  • Score: 3

11:38am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

greeg2 wrote:
A" mooving" story.
You silly cow :)
[quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: A" mooving" story.[/p][/quote]You silly cow :) clubrob6
  • Score: -7

11:38am Sat 31 May 14

clubrob6 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
greeg2 wrote:
A" mooving" story.
You silly cow :)
Pull the UDDER one :)
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: A" mooving" story.[/p][/quote]You silly cow :)[/p][/quote]Pull the UDDER one :) clubrob6
  • Score: -6

11:46am Sat 31 May 14

Eddddd27 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
greeg2 wrote:
A" mooving" story.
You silly cow :)
Pull the UDDER one :)
I think it's time you all stopped "milking" this one.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: A" mooving" story.[/p][/quote]You silly cow :)[/p][/quote]Pull the UDDER one :)[/p][/quote]I think it's time you all stopped "milking" this one. Eddddd27
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Sat 31 May 14

babsticals says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
babsticals wrote:
Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows !
especially when there are calves in the herd.
Exactly.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]babsticals[/bold] wrote: Feel sorry for the lady in question,but I suppose it's a risk you take when walking through a field of cows ![/p][/quote]especially when there are calves in the herd.[/p][/quote]Exactly. babsticals
  • Score: 7

12:28pm Sat 31 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

Sometimes, when one is on a country walk, it is necessary to go through a field with cows and it is a case of either continuing, in the hope that they will ignore you (often not the case) or turning back to the start of the walk. There is no warning about it and usually no alternative way around it, and it can be quite a dilemma.
Sometimes, when one is on a country walk, it is necessary to go through a field with cows and it is a case of either continuing, in the hope that they will ignore you (often not the case) or turning back to the start of the walk. There is no warning about it and usually no alternative way around it, and it can be quite a dilemma. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 16

12:39pm Sat 31 May 14

raymondo999 says...

Bigsis5 wrote:
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
I agree. What this establishes that few people who make these comments get up off their sofas and hike the countryside. If you did you would know that all the great long distance footpaths go through fields full of cows, sheep, horses etc. 99 per cent of the time there is no problem but occasionally you have to be very careful and check out escape routes. That said these incidents will happen, nearly 60 attacks in the UK this year.
[quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.[/p][/quote]I agree. What this establishes that few people who make these comments get up off their sofas and hike the countryside. If you did you would know that all the great long distance footpaths go through fields full of cows, sheep, horses etc. 99 per cent of the time there is no problem but occasionally you have to be very careful and check out escape routes. That said these incidents will happen, nearly 60 attacks in the UK this year. raymondo999
  • Score: 11

1:14pm Sat 31 May 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Thousands of people are killed by cows every year - in the form of pies and economy 100% beef, horse and slurry burgers.
Thousands of people are killed by cows every year - in the form of pies and economy 100% beef, horse and slurry burgers. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Sat 31 May 14

Jagmanmc says...

She is a lucky woman.
I didn't believe this could happen when a friend told me of a similar incident many years ago, but over the years since I have learned of many such incidents.
She was lucky not to have been killed.
A lot of people think that farm animals are harmless, but Cows are notorious for protecting their young. In some cases the whole herd will protect the calf's by surrounding and crushing people, particularly if they have dogs with them.
I have also heard form a farmer who had several narrow escapes with pigs, again particularly sows with piglets -they let you into the pen but stop you getting out again, and can bite down to the bone if they manage to catch you!.
She is a lucky woman. I didn't believe this could happen when a friend told me of a similar incident many years ago, but over the years since I have learned of many such incidents. She was lucky not to have been killed. A lot of people think that farm animals are harmless, but Cows are notorious for protecting their young. In some cases the whole herd will protect the calf's by surrounding and crushing people, particularly if they have dogs with them. I have also heard form a farmer who had several narrow escapes with pigs, again particularly sows with piglets -they let you into the pen but stop you getting out again, and can bite down to the bone if they manage to catch you!. Jagmanmc
  • Score: 10

1:27pm Sat 31 May 14

Quiterie says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow.
A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha
The Argus journalists recently went to a local fancy dress party too. It was a toga party in fact. But as they always get their letters mixed up they all went dressed as a goat.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow. A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha[/p][/quote]The Argus journalists recently went to a local fancy dress party too. It was a toga party in fact. But as they always get their letters mixed up they all went dressed as a goat. Quiterie
  • Score: 4

2:14pm Sat 31 May 14

Bertie1966 says...

To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to:
1. get a life!
2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals.
3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ...
4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are.
5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ...
Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;)
To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to: 1. get a life! 2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals. 3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ... 4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are. 5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ... Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;) Bertie1966
  • Score: 4

2:24pm Sat 31 May 14

Sir Prised says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".
You don't think that a local newspaper should know how to spell areas within it's coverage ? I suspect you might be the postman who sometimes directs my mail to Chichester !
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".[/p][/quote]You don't think that a local newspaper should know how to spell areas within it's coverage ? I suspect you might be the postman who sometimes directs my mail to Chichester ! Sir Prised
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Sat 31 May 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Here's hoping our urban green council has taken note of this story, given their keen desire to allow cattle to wander freely all over the Ditchling Road, north of Woodbourne Avenue.

The idea of having cattle in amongst people walking and cycling there on a very narrow strip of land, not to mention charging drivers on the road, is completely crazy. While hopefully Abby will recover quite quickly, if this scheme goes ahead, others may not be so lucky.
Here's hoping our urban green council has taken note of this story, given their keen desire to allow cattle to wander freely all over the Ditchling Road, north of Woodbourne Avenue. The idea of having cattle in amongst people walking and cycling there on a very narrow strip of land, not to mention charging drivers on the road, is completely crazy. While hopefully Abby will recover quite quickly, if this scheme goes ahead, others may not be so lucky. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Sat 31 May 14

a person says...

The lady did not have a dog with her and they are public foot paths.
The more people that know of the dangers the better.

I would imagine maybe the farmer thought
if the cow attacked once it could
happen again.Maybe to the farmer or his family,
so it makes sense to kill the cow, and not have anymore problems with it.

I would imagine that the farmer had the cow put into
the food chain. Farmers do it all the time.
That is how they make a living, so it was going to be killed at
sometime .
It was not the ladies fault .
The lady did not have a dog with her and they are public foot paths. The more people that know of the dangers the better. I would imagine maybe the farmer thought if the cow attacked once it could happen again.Maybe to the farmer or his family, so it makes sense to kill the cow, and not have anymore problems with it. I would imagine that the farmer had the cow put into the food chain. Farmers do it all the time. That is how they make a living, so it was going to be killed at sometime . It was not the ladies fault . a person
  • Score: 5

3:06pm Sat 31 May 14

Dave in Hastings says...

abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Thanks Abby for sharing your unpleasant experience with us. Ignore the idiots making insulting remarks above. Unfortunately there seem to be a surplus of callous, sick individuals who delight in showing their ignorance on this site.
[quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]Thanks Abby for sharing your unpleasant experience with us. Ignore the idiots making insulting remarks above. Unfortunately there seem to be a surplus of callous, sick individuals who delight in showing their ignorance on this site. Dave in Hastings
  • Score: 16

4:36pm Sat 31 May 14

abbyc77 says...

Abby again - thank you for the supportive messages - much appreciated x
Abby again - thank you for the supportive messages - much appreciated x abbyc77
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Sat 31 May 14

DCCCCCC says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Westdene not Westdean.
Does it really matter ? Some people are so picky! Isn't there more in life to worry about?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Westdene not Westdean.[/p][/quote]Does it really matter ? Some people are so picky! Isn't there more in life to worry about? DCCCCCC
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Sat 31 May 14

worthingite says...

This is a April fool surley!
This is a April fool surley! worthingite
  • Score: -3

4:56pm Sat 31 May 14

worthingite says...

abbyc77 wrote:
Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.
Why go running to the newspaper, to warn others about a cow that has now been put down due to you get too close to its calf??? Very strange behaviour all round.....
[quote][p][bold]abbyc77[/bold] wrote: Hi there, I'm Abby - the person in the article. It's difficult to convey all the facts in rather a brief article. I am a countryside, nature and animal lover. I agree, it is sad that this happened - extremely painful and traumatic for me - and also sad that the farmer and police decided to destroy the cow as they felt it posed a significant threat to others. I have many years' experience of walking on the Downs - the South Downs Way - which is a popular tourist attraction, a pathway for the public which passes through open farmland and livestock. I've had many years' experience of walking through herds of cows, sometimes with calves. I am a mum myself and would protect my young if I felt we were under threat! But in my experience, this cow was unusually aggressive; nothing was done to provoke her. I wanted to provide this article just to make others wary of the potential unpredictability of a herd of cows. In my 37 years I have never encountered such an unusually aggressive animal. It is all very tragic, but hopefully this article will go some way to protect other walkers, cyclists, horse riders who enjoy the Downs.[/p][/quote]Why go running to the newspaper, to warn others about a cow that has now been put down due to you get too close to its calf??? Very strange behaviour all round..... worthingite
  • Score: -5

5:25pm Sat 31 May 14

greeg2 says...

worthingite wrote:
This is a April fool surley!
Your spelling's an April fool !
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: This is a April fool surley![/p][/quote]Your spelling's an April fool ! greeg2
  • Score: 5

5:29pm Sat 31 May 14

greeg2 says...

clubrob6 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
greeg2 wrote:
A" mooving" story.
You silly cow :)
Pull the UDDER one :)
Bull**** !
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greeg2[/bold] wrote: A" mooving" story.[/p][/quote]You silly cow :)[/p][/quote]Pull the UDDER one :)[/p][/quote]Bull**** ! greeg2
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Sat 31 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Why go running to the newspaper, to warn others about a cow that has now been put down due to you get too close to its calf??? Very strange behaviour all round...."

There is no evidence that she 'went running' to The Yarg-us. A serious incident had occurred, and any right-minded local newspaper should have made enquiries.

Further, the warning is for all herds in general....not even the most stupid person would POSSIBLY conclude that the warning refers to the dead animal......and yet you did.
"Why go running to the newspaper, to warn others about a cow that has now been put down due to you get too close to its calf??? Very strange behaviour all round...." There is no evidence that she 'went running' to The Yarg-us. A serious incident had occurred, and any right-minded local newspaper should have made enquiries. Further, the warning is for all herds in general....not even the most stupid person would POSSIBLY conclude that the warning refers to the dead animal......and yet you did. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Sat 31 May 14

Mr chock says...

Quiterie wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow.
A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha
The Argus journalists recently went to a local fancy dress party too. It was a toga party in fact. But as they always get their letters mixed up they all went dressed as a goat.
i wonder how they found the right address for the party so so many of the reports have the wrong street name or the wrong person in the photos
.. i wonder if its worth me commenting on i went to Devil’s Dyke today and a wasp came towards me i did not know what to do so i flapped my arms frantically opened my mouth and screamed out yikes yikes a wasp and do you know what happened .. i am still waiting for the report to appear in the argus . ohh and i saw a person last week crossing the road with his bicycle i did not know whether to shout at him use the cycle lane or to take a photo of him and send it in with a news flash LOOOK a cyclist thats not been hurt in Brighton .
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: ha ha...brings back a joke about a cow. A couple went to a local fancy dress party dressed as a cow, they told the babysitter that they would be home by 12.......the wife said to her husband, Fred, it is 10 to 12, we must go, they rushed out of the party and headed off walking down the country road, Fred said to his wife, Anne, we will cross this field, we will get home on time, they entered the field, half way across the field Anne said to her husband,.... Fred there is a bull charging towards us........what are we going to do.....Fred replied....Im going to eat grass.....you brace yourself ha ha[/p][/quote]The Argus journalists recently went to a local fancy dress party too. It was a toga party in fact. But as they always get their letters mixed up they all went dressed as a goat.[/p][/quote]i wonder how they found the right address for the party so so many of the reports have the wrong street name or the wrong person in the photos .. i wonder if its worth me commenting on i went to Devil’s Dyke today and a wasp came towards me i did not know what to do so i flapped my arms frantically opened my mouth and screamed out yikes yikes a wasp and do you know what happened .. i am still waiting for the report to appear in the argus . ohh and i saw a person last week crossing the road with his bicycle i did not know whether to shout at him use the cycle lane or to take a photo of him and send it in with a news flash LOOOK a cyclist thats not been hurt in Brighton . Mr chock
  • Score: -3

9:31pm Sat 31 May 14

Andy96 says...

Quiterie wrote:
There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.
Mr.Pedantic! (hope I spelt that right). There is a Westdene isn't there? And who decided that do's doesn't have an apostrophe? Does dos look better? And who really cares?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: There is no place called 'Westdean' in Brighton. There is also no apostrophe in do's. Otherwise a moderately interesting and informative piece.[/p][/quote]Mr.Pedantic! (hope I spelt that right). There is a Westdene isn't there? And who decided that do's doesn't have an apostrophe? Does dos look better? And who really cares? Andy96
  • Score: -5

11:28pm Sat 31 May 14

Amberking90 says...

This poor lady went through hell was in pure agony and could barely move at times. She was next to my nan in hospital and what a brace corageous person she is. Hope you are making a speedy recovery get well soon my lovely. Was lovely to be able to meet you but in horrid circumstances ****
This poor lady went through hell was in pure agony and could barely move at times. She was next to my nan in hospital and what a brace corageous person she is. Hope you are making a speedy recovery get well soon my lovely. Was lovely to be able to meet you but in horrid circumstances **** Amberking90
  • Score: 5

7:21am Sun 1 Jun 14

fozziesheadband says...

I am an experienced marathon runner & am often in fields where the path crosses cows. A sound piece of advice: In such an event, take a piece of clothing off (if you are feeling threatened, through it to the animal. They will be more interested in that, than you!

It works.

Though, of course you may be topless for a while!
I am an experienced marathon runner & am often in fields where the path crosses cows. A sound piece of advice: In such an event, take a piece of clothing off (if you are feeling threatened, through it to the animal. They will be more interested in that, than you! It works. Though, of course you may be topless for a while! fozziesheadband
  • Score: 3

9:17am Sun 1 Jun 14

Juleyanne says...

I suppose some poor calf is orphaned thanks to this incident. So sad!
It also crossed my mind that recent events might not have helped.
I suppose some poor calf is orphaned thanks to this incident. So sad! It also crossed my mind that recent events might not have helped. Juleyanne
  • Score: 4

10:00am Sun 1 Jun 14

BlackRocker says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".
Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: exactly Westdeane not Westdeane! Who are these w***ers who have no other interest except the spelling accuracy of an article. I suspect they were bullied at school for being "gifted".[/p][/quote]Idiot! BlackRocker
  • Score: 0

11:35am Sun 1 Jun 14

cookie_brighton says...

Bertie1966 wrote:
To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to:
1. get a life!
2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals.
3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ...
4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are.
5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ...
Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;)
Thank you for your comment.............
.Mr Colmer
[quote][p][bold]Bertie1966[/bold] wrote: To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to: 1. get a life! 2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals. 3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ... 4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are. 5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ... Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;)[/p][/quote]Thank you for your comment............. .Mr Colmer cookie_brighton
  • Score: 0

11:43am Sun 1 Jun 14

cookie_brighton says...

Bertie1966 wrote:
To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to:
1. get a life!
2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals.
3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ...
4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are.
5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ...
Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;)
you talk about people commenting here, saying that they are the sort of comments that can be described as Pathetic, Weak, Poor judgement and thouroughly unkind you should be ashamed........then you go on to say the most Rude, ignorant, offensive comment anyone could say to a female...........hav
e your hair done.
[quote][p][bold]Bertie1966[/bold] wrote: To all the stupid dumb people that have made negative comments about this ladies horrific accident; you really need to: 1. get a life! 2. realise that public footpaths are for humans to share the country side with animals. 3. realise that If there was a good chance the lady would be attacked then the farmer shouldn't have put his cows in a field where people are perfectly entitled and likely to walk across ... 4. understand that she almost died and your 'poor cow' comments are the sort of comments that can only be described as pathetic, weak, poor judgement and thoroughly unkind. You should be ashamed. I can't believe how stupid and 'thick' those comments are. 5. This lady has taken the brave step to publicise what happened to her to prevent it happening to anyone else ... well done Abby, ignore the idiots that have criticised you ... Abby ... you get better, put your feet up, chill out and have your hair done! ;)[/p][/quote]you talk about people commenting here, saying that they are the sort of comments that can be described as Pathetic, Weak, Poor judgement and thouroughly unkind you should be ashamed........then you go on to say the most Rude, ignorant, offensive comment anyone could say to a female...........hav e your hair done. cookie_brighton
  • Score: -3

2:13pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Emma234 says...

Destroying the cow was definitely a misteak
Destroying the cow was definitely a misteak Emma234
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Mr chock says...

clubrob6 wrote:
Bigsis5 wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
Bigsis5 wrote:
I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.
The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.
The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you.
Limited experience we had sheep,pigs,goats,cow

s,bullocks,bull,hens

,geese,cats,dogs,hor

ses,ETC yes these paths have a public right of way but you must be carefull during breeding season.If you think you are going to walk too close just make a slight detour the animals will then not feel threatened.But yes you do occasionaly get a animal that will become aggressive just be aware of whats going on around you the animals are only acting naturally.Thankfully these cases are rare.I hope the woman makes a full recovery.
the "countryfile on bbc " had a feature on cows .. "like it does frequently " but this time it was about cows that attack ...
might be worth adding the link when its come soon iplayer
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bigsis5[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed at the callous nature of some of the comments. Why are people blaming an innocent rambler for what happened to her - an unprovoked attack that caused weeks of pain and nearly cost her life? And why blame her for what happened to the cow - the farmer is responsible for the decision to destroy it. Not the injured rambler! This lady is very brave to share her story so that all of us can be warned about the dangers of cattle.[/p][/quote]The lady should stick to paths like hove seafront where the only animals likely to attack you is human.Any animal with young are protective get too close they will protect there babies ITS CALLED NATURE.[/p][/quote]The truth is that you have no idea how close the rambler was. You are judging her based upon your own limited experience. (and yes, I do call experience of handling one particular herd / breed a limited experience). This rambler was attacked without warning and without cause. She has chosen to share this terrifying experience in order to help and warn others who use this popular right of way - including families. And all you can do is judge, belittle and make assumptions about her terrifying ordeal. I pity you.[/p][/quote]Limited experience we had sheep,pigs,goats,cow s,bullocks,bull,hens ,geese,cats,dogs,hor ses,ETC yes these paths have a public right of way but you must be carefull during breeding season.If you think you are going to walk too close just make a slight detour the animals will then not feel threatened.But yes you do occasionaly get a animal that will become aggressive just be aware of whats going on around you the animals are only acting naturally.Thankfully these cases are rare.I hope the woman makes a full recovery.[/p][/quote]the "countryfile on bbc " had a feature on cows .. "like it does frequently " but this time it was about cows that attack ... might be worth adding the link when its come soon iplayer Mr chock
  • Score: -1

4:50pm Sun 1 Jun 14

pte says...

When attacked by a cow the best thing to do is give a swift kick to the udders and that should make the cow think twice
When attacked by a cow the best thing to do is give a swift kick to the udders and that should make the cow think twice pte
  • Score: -5

10:10pm Sun 1 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

pte wrote:
When attacked by a cow the best thing to do is give a swift kick to the udders and that should make the cow think twice
This advice only works for those whose legs are ten feet long, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: When attacked by a cow the best thing to do is give a swift kick to the udders and that should make the cow think twice[/p][/quote]This advice only works for those whose legs are ten feet long, obviously. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 2

10:10pm Sun 1 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Emma234 wrote:
Destroying the cow was definitely a misteak
But a delicious one, all the same.
[quote][p][bold]Emma234[/bold] wrote: Destroying the cow was definitely a misteak[/p][/quote]But a delicious one, all the same. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

9:30am Mon 2 Jun 14

robbyl says...

She should not be allowed out by herself, totally irresponsible behaviour. She has ignored every warning from Farmers and authorities who repeat warnings year after year.

Blaming everyone but herself and thinking someone else should hold her hand by calling for a change in the law will never make an idiot take responsibility for their own actions.
She should not be allowed out by herself, totally irresponsible behaviour. She has ignored every warning from Farmers and authorities who repeat warnings year after year. Blaming everyone but herself and thinking someone else should hold her hand by calling for a change in the law will never make an idiot take responsibility for their own actions. robbyl
  • Score: 0

9:59am Mon 2 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

robbyl wrote:
She should not be allowed out by herself, totally irresponsible behaviour. She has ignored every warning from Farmers and authorities who repeat warnings year after year.

Blaming everyone but herself and thinking someone else should hold her hand by calling for a change in the law will never make an idiot take responsibility for their own actions.
How were those warnings issued? The report says that only one was.

She didn't blame everybody, as you claimed.

Fail.....
[quote][p][bold]robbyl[/bold] wrote: She should not be allowed out by herself, totally irresponsible behaviour. She has ignored every warning from Farmers and authorities who repeat warnings year after year. Blaming everyone but herself and thinking someone else should hold her hand by calling for a change in the law will never make an idiot take responsibility for their own actions.[/p][/quote]How were those warnings issued? The report says that only one was. She didn't blame everybody, as you claimed. Fail..... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Mon 2 Jun 14

babsticals says...

This story is even in today's daily mirror !
This story is even in today's daily mirror ! babsticals
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Mon 2 Jun 14

TheDrive says...

Maybe the cow took offence to the red and olive-green combo she's sporting?
Maybe the cow took offence to the red and olive-green combo she's sporting? TheDrive
  • Score: 1

8:40am Tue 3 Jun 14

TheDrive says...

theArgusReader wrote:
the argus made another bulls up here " F1 ace Janson Button at Goodwood Festival of Speed " .. who is that f1 ACE ? i am sure the reporters have local knowledge but really westdean and devil's dyke the argus is truly more pathetic each time i read it
Don't read it then?
[quote][p][bold]theArgusReader[/bold] wrote: the argus made another bulls up here " F1 ace Janson Button at Goodwood Festival of Speed " .. who is that f1 ACE ? i am sure the reporters have local knowledge but really westdean and devil's dyke the argus is truly more pathetic each time i read it[/p][/quote]Don't read it then? TheDrive
  • Score: -1

11:37am Fri 6 Jun 14

worthingite says...

April fools surely?
April fools surely? worthingite
  • Score: 0

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