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March for England policing cost revealed as more than half a million

The Argus: March for England policing cost revealed as more than half a million March for England policing cost revealed as more than half a million

More than half a million pounds of public money was spent policing this year's March for England, The Argus can exclusively reveal.

The £545,000 total is up £52,000 on last year's bill with an average of £3,633 spent on each of the 150 nationalists taking part.

The Argus can also exclusively reveal a staggering 1,325 officers were on duty on April 27 - equating to nine officers per March for England protester. Last year 700 officers worked on the day.

The revelations have led city leaders to once again question the future of the event.

However, Chief Superintendent Nev Kemp, Brighton and Hove Divisional Commander, defended the spending.

He said: "We assessed the resourcing necessary for March for England and counter protest based on our experience and the intelligence we received over the planning period.

"We went further in asking experts outside of Sussex to scrutinise our plan, the number of officers being used, and help shape the final operation and resourcing.”

An estimated 150 nationalists and 1,000 anti-fascist protesters gathered in Brighton on the Sunday following St George's Day.

Officers were brought in for the day from forces including Devon and Cornwall, Surrey, Metropolitan, Hampshire, Thames Valley, Kent, Dorset and the City of London.

But despite the numbers, which included 12 police horses and 16 dogs, there were running battles as violent splinter groups broke off from the main march.

A major flashpoint was the Dorset Pub, in North Road, where two gangs hurled glasses, tables and punches in front of horrified onlookers.

Another ugly incident saw two female police officers surrounded and assaulted.

In total there were 27 arrests.

The police bill, which was released to The Argus following a Freedom of Information request, totalled at £545,000.

More than £404,000 was spent on mutual aid with £83,000 paid out in overtime, £31,000 on food, transport, supplies and services and £27,000 on fencing and barriers.

Warren Morgan, Brighton and Hove City Council Labour group leader, said the money would be better spent fighting crime.

He said: “March for England are not welcome and not wanted, and I hope they will listen and stay away next year. If a ban were possible and workable we would seriously consider it.”

However, Jason Kitcat, leader of the council, warned against banning the event, adding that an organised march is easier to police.

He said: “While I wish MfE wouldn't come to the city, banning it won't stop participants coming here anyway, as they have the right to freedom of assembly.

“We continue to urge MfE to hold their events somewhere else. Until they do, the council and police will continue do everything possible to protect our community in the face of MfE participants' hateful behaviour and message.”

Meanwhile Geoffrey Theobald, leader of the council's Conservative group, called on counter-protesters to ignore the event altogether.

He said: “The cost to the public purse is simply not justified and to have nine police officers for every one individual on the march does seem to be over the top.

“However, all this could be avoided if the counter-protestors simply ignored the marchers - they would soon lose interest in Brighton and Hove and move elsewhere."

Mike Weatherley, MP for Hove, added: “Policing both sides of the annual March for England spectacle is costing my constituents a fortune every year and they are absolutely fed up with it.

“The marchers, and those wishing to fight with them, should be located far away from our seafront where no tourists or businesses are situated.”

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7:28pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

There weren't 'splinter groups' from the March. The barriers and police ensured that the March was self-contained.

Once the March had ended, marchers were free to do as they pleased. Some went shopping, some went for refreshments, and some chose to go home. I know for a fact that at least one went looking for a screen in a bar showing the Premier League games featuring the top three clubs.

The major problems occurred when the March had ended. Not content with merely being abusive and throwing the occasional bottle at the March, the unwashed scum of the UAF went around the city seeking out marchers. Quite what they were trying to achieve wasn't made clear, but what IS clear is that THEY were responsible for the large numbers of police personnel on attendance.

I would much prefer the March be banned, because then me and my fellow patriots would be able to have a day at the seaside on an ad hoc basis and celebrate our saint's Day. I appreciate that would make it much harder for the UAF filth to find them, but that isn't my problem.
There weren't 'splinter groups' from the March. The barriers and police ensured that the March was self-contained. Once the March had ended, marchers were free to do as they pleased. Some went shopping, some went for refreshments, and some chose to go home. I know for a fact that at least one went looking for a screen in a bar showing the Premier League games featuring the top three clubs. The major problems occurred when the March had ended. Not content with merely being abusive and throwing the occasional bottle at the March, the unwashed scum of the UAF went around the city seeking out marchers. Quite what they were trying to achieve wasn't made clear, but what IS clear is that THEY were responsible for the large numbers of police personnel on attendance. I would much prefer the March be banned, because then me and my fellow patriots would be able to have a day at the seaside on an ad hoc basis and celebrate our saint's Day. I appreciate that would make it much harder for the UAF filth to find them, but that isn't my problem. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Tue 3 Jun 14

west hove says...

Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me.

You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton.

I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post
Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me. You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post west hove
  • Score: -6

10:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

west hove wrote:
Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me.

You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton.

I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post
Who are YOU to tell people where they should celebrate St George's Day?

You seem to be avoiding the fact that the MFE started off as a day at the seaside with families and rides on the Pier. It was the UAF that started causing trouble, and now the filth come from all over to abuse the patriots.

"You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. "

People are allowed to defend themselves, right? I take it that you've never heard of Brighton And Hove UAF? They are a bunch of filth dedicated to stopping the MFE, and it is they who are largely responsible for the costs of policing this event.
[quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me. You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post[/p][/quote]Who are YOU to tell people where they should celebrate St George's Day? You seem to be avoiding the fact that the MFE started off as a day at the seaside with families and rides on the Pier. It was the UAF that started causing trouble, and now the filth come from all over to abuse the patriots. "You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. " People are allowed to defend themselves, right? I take it that you've never heard of Brighton And Hove UAF? They are a bunch of filth dedicated to stopping the MFE, and it is they who are largely responsible for the costs of policing this event. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -6

9:54am Wed 4 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.
The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED. clubrob6
  • Score: -2

9:54am Wed 4 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

Nice to hear one of our MPs had a view on this. Suppose the other one is too busy doing useful (!) Things sitting blocking a road somewhere!
Nice to hear one of our MPs had a view on this. Suppose the other one is too busy doing useful (!) Things sitting blocking a road somewhere! NickBrt
  • Score: 4

10:07am Wed 4 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

The ARGUS headline should read the people of Brighton and Hove welcome the government funded violent abusive extremist group the UAF to our city,we guarantee we wont report on the violence and hatred you show towards the citizens of our city.
The ARGUS headline should read the people of Brighton and Hove welcome the government funded violent abusive extremist group the UAF to our city,we guarantee we wont report on the violence and hatred you show towards the citizens of our city. clubrob6
  • Score: -2

10:15am Wed 4 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

west hove wrote:
Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me.

You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton.

I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post
Thanks for realising that the UAF is now UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM,in a ideal world I would like to see this march removed from brighton but what annoys me is the ARGUS makes it out that its the MFE that causes the violence its NOT its the government funded UAF.This group travels the country trying to remove free speech by force,FARAGE is there latest victim.This group has been taken over if it was peacefull they would get much more support.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but the UAF is by far more fascist than the groups they object too.
[quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me. You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post[/p][/quote]Thanks for realising that the UAF is now UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM,in a ideal world I would like to see this march removed from brighton but what annoys me is the ARGUS makes it out that its the MFE that causes the violence its NOT its the government funded UAF.This group travels the country trying to remove free speech by force,FARAGE is there latest victim.This group has been taken over if it was peacefull they would get much more support.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but the UAF is by far more fascist than the groups they object too. clubrob6
  • Score: -5

10:33am Wed 4 Jun 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Jeez, it would be cheaper just to pay each marcher £3,000 to stay away. Probably more than most of them earn in a year.
Jeez, it would be cheaper just to pay each marcher £3,000 to stay away. Probably more than most of them earn in a year. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 10

10:34am Wed 4 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
west hove wrote: Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me. You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post
Who are YOU to tell people where they should celebrate St George's Day? You seem to be avoiding the fact that the MFE started off as a day at the seaside with families and rides on the Pier. It was the UAF that started causing trouble, and now the filth come from all over to abuse the patriots. "You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. " People are allowed to defend themselves, right? I take it that you've never heard of Brighton And Hove UAF? They are a bunch of filth dedicated to stopping the MFE, and it is they who are largely responsible for the costs of policing this event.
The root cause is the march.

No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city. Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages.

I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: Poor ZeeGee, can;t have a nice day out in peace - its what happens when you march with racists, neo-nazis and homophobes. Why not go to the Redhill St George's Day event instead? A real family event, no UAF/Antifa there because its not a front for far-right nutcases. No proof either that it was the UAF out to fight the marchers, looked more like 'black block' anarchists to me. You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. I wait in trepidation for Clubrobs "UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM" post[/p][/quote]Who are YOU to tell people where they should celebrate St George's Day? You seem to be avoiding the fact that the MFE started off as a day at the seaside with families and rides on the Pier. It was the UAF that started causing trouble, and now the filth come from all over to abuse the patriots. "You also forgot to mention the posters put up on various far-right websites promoting violence against UAF/Antifa in Brighton. " People are allowed to defend themselves, right? I take it that you've never heard of Brighton And Hove UAF? They are a bunch of filth dedicated to stopping the MFE, and it is they who are largely responsible for the costs of policing this event.[/p][/quote]The root cause is the march. No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city. Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages. I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself. mhaiti
  • Score: 11

10:45am Wed 4 Jun 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

clubrob6 wrote:
The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.
It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh?

If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides.

I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.[/p][/quote]It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 7

11:22am Wed 4 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.
It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh?

If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides.

I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.
I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.[/p][/quote]It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.[/p][/quote]I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

11:41am Wed 4 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

clubrob6 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
clubrob6 wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.
It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.
I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs.
Hi, I appreciate you have your own experience with the UAF but with all due respect, do you understand what the definition of fascism is?

I could loosely understand if you called them un-democratic (saying that, if the Marchers want to march then the protestors have every right to protest) but fascist they most definitely are not....

Fascism normally applies to extreme nationalism, you know, one nation or race above all others sort of thing which is more likely a decent definition to a number of those on the March for England.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.[/p][/quote]It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.[/p][/quote]I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs.[/p][/quote]Hi, I appreciate you have your own experience with the UAF but with all due respect, do you understand what the definition of fascism is? I could loosely understand if you called them un-democratic (saying that, if the Marchers want to march then the protestors have every right to protest) but fascist they most definitely are not.... Fascism normally applies to extreme nationalism, you know, one nation or race above all others sort of thing which is more likely a decent definition to a number of those on the March for England. mhaiti
  • Score: 2

11:52am Wed 4 Jun 14

Bugzy84 says...

This is appalling, what will it cost next year £600k, and the year after that £650k?
That money should of gone to better causes and BOTH the MfE and UAF are to blame.
MfE, what are they even marching for, "St George"? so it just a bunch of religious crackpots. The UAF have become so intolerant of intolerance they are borderline fascists themselves.
Banning is not an option due to the right to assemble, but I'm sure there is an alternative solution to be found that will benefit the residents of B&H
This is appalling, what will it cost next year £600k, and the year after that £650k? That money should of gone to better causes and BOTH the MfE and UAF are to blame. MfE, what are they even marching for, "St George"? so it just a bunch of religious crackpots. The UAF have become so intolerant of intolerance they are borderline fascists themselves. Banning is not an option due to the right to assemble, but I'm sure there is an alternative solution to be found that will benefit the residents of B&H Bugzy84
  • Score: 3

2:08pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Mhaiti:

"The root cause is the march."

What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be.

The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything.

"No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city". Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages."

The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out.

Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year.

I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest.

"I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself."

Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon.
Mhaiti: "The root cause is the march." What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be. The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything. "No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city". Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages." The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out. Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year. I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest. "I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself." Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -8

5:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Mhaiti: "The root cause is the march." What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be. The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything. "No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city". Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages." The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out. Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year. I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest. "I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself." Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon.
"What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be."

Don't be ridiculous, of course the march is the root cause, using your method we could blame St George's mum as the cause for giving birth to him....

The march didn't make Brighton a fun place to be either...

"The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything."

Nope, wrong again. The root cause is the march, the effect is the UAF attendance and the policing costs.

"The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out."

I thought the march was created to celebrate St George's day in a fun place?

"Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year."

Did everyone of the anti-protestors resort to violence? Is there any record of it? After all the MfE facebook page frequently reports examples of "anti-englishness" (designed to try and defend people's inadequacies by blaming everything wrong in the world on someone else of a different colour, religion, sexuality while quietly ignoring the fact that bad people exist of all colours creeds and nationalities).

"I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest."

So some of your family friendly patriots were shouting abuse, cool. Much like some of the counter-protestors were shouting abuse at you yeah? The 'he started it argument always makes one look grown up'...

"Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon."

Remove the march and the anti-protestors could enjoy their weekend in piece along with the rest of the city's inhabitents.

You're right, St George's day isn't going away soon....hopefully the march will though as it would be good to get back to normal and you know have a parade or a fair or something that we as a city could be proud of.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Mhaiti: "The root cause is the march." What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be. The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything. "No one is telling anyone where to celebrate St George's day, they are saying that the actual march is not welcome in this city". Come down, celebrate St George's day but just don't organise or attend a march masquerading as a "family friendly patriot's event" attended by those that shouted racist, xenophobic and homophobic abuse that it advertised all over far right facebook pages." The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out. Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year. I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest. "I am in no way condoning the violence that some of the anti protesters committed, however it would be naive to presume that the whole cause of this isn't the march itself." Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon.[/p][/quote]"What is the March the root cause of? It didn't decree that April 23rd would be our saints day. It certainly didn't make Brighton a fun place to be." Don't be ridiculous, of course the march is the root cause, using your method we could blame St George's mum as the cause for giving birth to him.... The march didn't make Brighton a fun place to be either... "The root cause of the policing costs is the presence of the UAF. The first two Marches didn't cost anyone anything." Nope, wrong again. The root cause is the march, the effect is the UAF attendance and the policing costs. "The whole reason why the March was created was the response to UAF thugs to the first couple of days out." I thought the march was created to celebrate St George's day in a fun place? "Did everyone on those events shout out abuse? Is there any record of it? All I've seen is a few comments alleging such behaviour from people who are too spineless to shrug such things off. After all, the Pride Facebook page frequently reports examples of 'homophobia' ( apathetic term designed to try and stop people saying they find homosexuality revolting) in Brighton, so it is present there 365 days a year." Did everyone of the anti-protestors resort to violence? Is there any record of it? After all the MfE facebook page frequently reports examples of "anti-englishness" (designed to try and defend people's inadequacies by blaming everything wrong in the world on someone else of a different colour, religion, sexuality while quietly ignoring the fact that bad people exist of all colours creeds and nationalities). "I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags, and some of them did refer to the supposed orientation of the abusers (most of whom seemed to be in the Disco section, for obvious reasons) in a derogatory fashion, but there were no chants other than that which had been agreed in advance with the police. I was also in the exact same area on the day itself, three days previously, showing flags and celebrating my nation. No-one objected in the slightest." So some of your family friendly patriots were shouting abuse, cool. Much like some of the counter-protestors were shouting abuse at you yeah? The 'he started it argument always makes one look grown up'... "Remove the counter-protesters, and you remove the problem. St George's Day isn't going to go away any time soon." Remove the march and the anti-protestors could enjoy their weekend in piece along with the rest of the city's inhabitents. You're right, St George's day isn't going away soon....hopefully the march will though as it would be good to get back to normal and you know have a parade or a fair or something that we as a city could be proud of. mhaiti
  • Score: 4

5:57pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"Don't be ridiculous, of course the march is the root cause, using your method we could blame St George's mum as the cause for giving birth to him...."

Implying that George became our patron saint upon his birth.

What a stupid suggestion!

"The march didn't make Brighton a fun place to be either..."

The March occupied a couple of hundred yards of the Brighton seafront on the northern carriage way of a road that was perfectly passable to the south, ad lasted a couple of hours. Thousands of people were enjoying the city before, during and afterwards, many of whom will have been unaware what was occurring on the seafront.

I was in Brighton for many hours that day, and had a brilliant day there as usual, and that included being on the March.

"Nope, wrong again. The root cause is the march, the effect is the UAF attendance and the policing costs."

There were no policing costs caused by the event until the UAF got involved. That is a fact.....you can wriggle about it all week and it won't alter.

"I thought the march was created to celebrate St George's day in a fun place? "

That was the original intention by the patriots. Sadly, as time went by, the police were forced to get involved with the organising of it.

"Did everyone of the anti-protestors resort to violence? Is there any record of it? "

Dunno.....did I claim that they did?

"After all the MfE facebook page frequently reports examples of "anti-englishness" "

And rightly so.

We're amazed at the number of English people who plainly resent others celebrating their nation.

"So some of your family friendly patriots were shouting abuse.."

I didn't say that.

I don't recall anyone shouting abuse from the March, but I do recall learning that there is more than one way of expressing oneself without shouting. My actual comment (which you quoted, so you know what I said) was " there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum"

So your question: "Much like some of the counter-protestors were shouting abuse at you yeah?" was based on ignorance of something that you'd quoted.

good one!

"Remove the march and the anti-protestors could enjoy their weekend in piece "

A particularly stupid comment which ignores the fact that the UAF filth aren't forced by anyone to protest about the March.

".hopefully the march will though as it would be good to get back to normal and you know have a parade or a fair or something that we as a city could be proud of."

As I said right at the beginning, I would be happy for the March to be banned. Then we could return to the good old days of the UAF not having such an easy target AND not having police around to protect them when they start to cause trouble.
"Don't be ridiculous, of course the march is the root cause, using your method we could blame St George's mum as the cause for giving birth to him...." Implying that George became our patron saint upon his birth. What a stupid suggestion! "The march didn't make Brighton a fun place to be either..." The March occupied a couple of hundred yards of the Brighton seafront on the northern carriage way of a road that was perfectly passable to the south, ad lasted a couple of hours. Thousands of people were enjoying the city before, during and afterwards, many of whom will have been unaware what was occurring on the seafront. I was in Brighton for many hours that day, and had a brilliant day there as usual, and that included being on the March. "Nope, wrong again. The root cause is the march, the effect is the UAF attendance and the policing costs." There were no policing costs caused by the event until the UAF got involved. That is a fact.....you can wriggle about it all week and it won't alter. "I thought the march was created to celebrate St George's day in a fun place? " That was the original intention by the patriots. Sadly, as time went by, the police were forced to get involved with the organising of it. "Did everyone of the anti-protestors resort to violence? Is there any record of it? " Dunno.....did I claim that they did? "After all the MfE facebook page frequently reports examples of "anti-englishness" " And rightly so. We're amazed at the number of English people who plainly resent others celebrating their nation. "So some of your family friendly patriots were shouting abuse.." I didn't say that. I don't recall anyone shouting abuse from the March, but I do recall learning that there is more than one way of expressing oneself without shouting. My actual comment (which you quoted, so you know what I said) was " there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum" So your question: "Much like some of the counter-protestors were shouting abuse at you yeah?" was based on ignorance of something that you'd quoted. good one! "Remove the march and the anti-protestors could enjoy their weekend in piece " A particularly stupid comment which ignores the fact that the UAF filth aren't forced by anyone to protest about the March. ".hopefully the march will though as it would be good to get back to normal and you know have a parade or a fair or something that we as a city could be proud of." As I said right at the beginning, I would be happy for the March to be banned. Then we could return to the good old days of the UAF not having such an easy target AND not having police around to protect them when they start to cause trouble. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -3

6:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

clubrob6 says...

mhaiti wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
clubrob6 wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.
It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.
I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs.
Hi, I appreciate you have your own experience with the UAF but with all due respect, do you understand what the definition of fascism is?

I could loosely understand if you called them un-democratic (saying that, if the Marchers want to march then the protestors have every right to protest) but fascist they most definitely are not....

Fascism normally applies to extreme nationalism, you know, one nation or race above all others sort of thing which is more likely a decent definition to a number of those on the March for England.
Wish I could agree but i'm afraid the UAF is now a fascist organisation.Plus it is a racist group also but a group racist towards the british so I suppose that wont count.They now shout racist abuse at people going into UKIP events.They have a right to protest but should not be violent hiding behind a name that they know the press wont report anything bad about it.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: The ARGUS should be ashamed on its reporting on this case,again it makes out that the police were there for violence of the march for England this is totally untrue,yes there is a certain element of yobs involved in the march but the VAST amount of trouble is from such government funded groups as the UAF.This group has now been taken over by extremists hiding behind its name,i must also point out that one of Lee Rigby's murderers was a main speaker at UAF events there is a very plain video on youtube from 2009 that shows this,the UAF now travels the country causing violence and abuse trying to stop free speech by force.The government ignore this extremist group as they now do the dirty work for them attending UKIP events.Both the police and the Argus should point out which side the arrests were made on instead of the Argus giving the impression it was the March For England that caused the trouble.I looked at the Unite Against Freedom website it has a long list of MP supporters including Cameron but to be fair when they gave support this group had not been taken over by extremists.Yes the police did a great job policing the event its a pity they don't do a good job to say who was arrested.I know about the UAF as I very nearly joined as I was against the EDL but quickly learned the UAF was actually more fascist and much more violent than the groups they are supposed to be against.I SAY RATHER THAN BAN THE MARCH FOR ENGLAND BAN EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE THE UAF THEN THE MARCH WOULD BE IGNORED.[/p][/quote]It is interesting that you mention Lee Rigby. The far right constantly use his name in their campaigns, even though they have been asked by the family to stop. Thoughtful eh? If you can't ban March for England, then you certainly can't ban the UAF. We live in a democracy. Remember that the vast majority of the opposition was peaceful. There are always a few idiots on both sides. I don't know what the solution is but I do think they should consider holding it in a different part of the city where it is less disruptive to traders and tourism.[/p][/quote]I know I should not use his name but people don't realise that the UAF has now become one of the most violent abusive groups in the country and is now attracting a fascist element.Now this march is attracting jobs from both sides it should be moved away from the seafront,but then the UAF would have received there aim through violence.I am against the UAF as I nearly joined then as I was against the EDL but unfortunately quickly found out the UAF is much worse than the groups they object too.I went to an event in Cumbria it was like it should be a family event with everyone welcome no matter where they are from or there beliefs.[/p][/quote]Hi, I appreciate you have your own experience with the UAF but with all due respect, do you understand what the definition of fascism is? I could loosely understand if you called them un-democratic (saying that, if the Marchers want to march then the protestors have every right to protest) but fascist they most definitely are not.... Fascism normally applies to extreme nationalism, you know, one nation or race above all others sort of thing which is more likely a decent definition to a number of those on the March for England.[/p][/quote]Wish I could agree but i'm afraid the UAF is now a fascist organisation.Plus it is a racist group also but a group racist towards the british so I suppose that wont count.They now shout racist abuse at people going into UKIP events.They have a right to protest but should not be violent hiding behind a name that they know the press wont report anything bad about it. clubrob6
  • Score: -3

1:00am Thu 5 Jun 14

west hove says...

The usual avoidance of facts from bigot/homophobe ZeeGee. So you didn't hear any abuse from the other MfE marchers? You should try taking off your ear muffs along with your blinkers. You are marching with vile thugs and you know it. They have only one reason to visit Brighton and that is to incite trouble. Comes as a bit of surprise to them when the anti-fascist "filth" are prepared to put up a fight. The idea that the police are protecting the anti-fascists is as usual more moronic nonsense along with it being a family day out for 'patriots' (family's? where?).

As for it being a 'brilliant' day out (said like an over-excited schoolboy) it seems you revel in MfE thuggery and abuse - what a pathetic excuse of a human being you are. Try the Stormfront forum, you'll wet your pants in excitement.
The usual avoidance of facts from bigot/homophobe ZeeGee. So you didn't hear any abuse from the other MfE marchers? You should try taking off your ear muffs along with your blinkers. You are marching with vile thugs and you know it. They have only one reason to visit Brighton and that is to incite trouble. Comes as a bit of surprise to them when the anti-fascist "filth" are prepared to put up a fight. The idea that the police are protecting the anti-fascists is as usual more moronic nonsense along with it being a family day out for 'patriots' (family's? where?). As for it being a 'brilliant' day out (said like an over-excited schoolboy) it seems you revel in MfE thuggery and abuse - what a pathetic excuse of a human being you are. Try the Stormfront forum, you'll wet your pants in excitement. west hove
  • Score: 0

6:43am Thu 5 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

West Hove:

"The usual avoidance of facts from bigot/homophobe.....
"

Can't make your mind up which, eh? Always the sign of someone who is scambling around looking for accusations which have no basis in reality.

If you see any comments that infringe the law, report them to The Yarg-us and they will be investigated.

" So you didn't hear any abuse from the other MfE marchers?"

Where did I suggest such a thing? I clearly stated " I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags....". Obviously that sentence was a bit too long and rambling for you to have paid it any attention.





"You are marching with vile thugs and you know it."

I wasn't aware of anything vile, and the ones I chatted to were decent people concerned about what is going wrong with this country. The scum on the other side of the barriers were a constant reminder of something major that has gone wrong with it.

"They have only one reason to visit Brighton and that is to incite trouble."

The UAF? I couldn't agree more.

" Comes as a bit of surprise to them when the anti-fascist "filth" are prepared to put up a fight. "

No, the UAF scum have always stated their violent intentions, so it was no surprise at all when they turned up for that.

"The idea that the police are protecting the anti-fascists is as usual more moronic nonsense along with it being a family day out for 'patriots' (family's? where?)."

I didn't claim that the police were protecting the UAF. I stated that should the event ever return to what it originally was, the UAF thugs would need protection if they started bothering patriots.

" (said like an over-excited schoolboy)"

And you sound like someone who gets excited at the thought - keep that to yourself.

" As for it being a 'brilliant' day out it seems you revel in MfE thuggery and abuse"

Seeing as I didn't encounter any from the marchers, I'm hardly likely to sound pleased. You forget that I was in there amongst them, and found them to be very friendly to each other. The rain did annoy slightly, but it didn't dampen the spirits or enthusiasm of the marchers. And when the sun came out, followed by two excellent football matches I watched in a pub, it set the seal on a wonderful day.

" what a pathetic excuse of a human being you are"

Ditto.

"you'll wet your pants in excitement."

You sound like someone who has too many weird delights - you really should stop broadcasting them.
West Hove: "The usual avoidance of facts from bigot/homophobe..... " Can't make your mind up which, eh? Always the sign of someone who is scambling around looking for accusations which have no basis in reality. If you see any comments that infringe the law, report them to The Yarg-us and they will be investigated. " So you didn't hear any abuse from the other MfE marchers?" Where did I suggest such a thing? I clearly stated " I was on the March this year. Sure, there were those on it expressing their dislike of the scum who were throwing abuse at us for simply showing our flags....". Obviously that sentence was a bit too long and rambling for you to have paid it any attention. "You are marching with vile thugs and you know it." I wasn't aware of anything vile, and the ones I chatted to were decent people concerned about what is going wrong with this country. The scum on the other side of the barriers were a constant reminder of something major that has gone wrong with it. "They have only one reason to visit Brighton and that is to incite trouble." The UAF? I couldn't agree more. " Comes as a bit of surprise to them when the anti-fascist "filth" are prepared to put up a fight. " No, the UAF scum have always stated their violent intentions, so it was no surprise at all when they turned up for that. "The idea that the police are protecting the anti-fascists is as usual more moronic nonsense along with it being a family day out for 'patriots' (family's? where?)." I didn't claim that the police were protecting the UAF. I stated that should the event ever return to what it originally was, the UAF thugs would need protection if they started bothering patriots. " (said like an over-excited schoolboy)" And you sound like someone who gets excited at the thought - keep that to yourself. " As for it being a 'brilliant' day out it seems you revel in MfE thuggery and abuse" Seeing as I didn't encounter any from the marchers, I'm hardly likely to sound pleased. You forget that I was in there amongst them, and found them to be very friendly to each other. The rain did annoy slightly, but it didn't dampen the spirits or enthusiasm of the marchers. And when the sun came out, followed by two excellent football matches I watched in a pub, it set the seal on a wonderful day. " what a pathetic excuse of a human being you are" Ditto. "you'll wet your pants in excitement." You sound like someone who has too many weird delights - you really should stop broadcasting them. ZeeGee, ffs
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