Green Party’s ‘unacceptable’ gender proposals

Councillor Alex Phillips

Councillor Alex Phillips

First published in News by , local government reporter

THE Brighton and Hove Green Party has been accused of proposing “unacceptable levels of gender discrimination against males” by its own party.

Concerns were raised after members voted to support an amendment by Councillor Alex Phillips that would change how the party selected candidates and discriminate in favour of women.

Under the proposals women would challenge at least two seats in a three candidate ward and one in a single seat ward.

The result would mean that at least 61% of Green party candidates in Brighton and Hove’s 21 wards would be female while male candidates would make up no more than 39%.

But the party’s regional council has rejected the changes, claiming they go against the national constitution and founding beliefs of the Green Party.

In a response to members, Mike Shone and Freda Davis, co-chairmen of the Green Party Regional Council (GPRC), warned the plans would be in breach of clause PB303 of the party, which states no one should be discriminated against for any reason.

They added: “Your proposals, if carried out, would result in unacceptable levels of gender discrimination against males. GPRC, thus, cannot approve them. And since GPRC has the constitutional responsibility for democratic procedures in the Green Party of England and Wales, any selection of council candidates carried out under these proposals would be invalid.”

Party sources have claimed the dispute is holding up its ability to choose candidates ahead of next year’s local elections because people are still unsure how they will be chosen.

Coun Phillips, who proposed the amendment at an Extraordinary General Meeting in April, said the plans would discriminate against men but the current system already discriminated against women.

She said: “The Greens locally don’t do well in female representation, we’re overwhelmingly male.

“We’ve always had a male leader, all of our committee chairs who have responsibility for budget, they’re all men bar one so it’s about balancing that.”

Lisa Murray, Brighton and Hove Green Party chairwoman, said: “We are looking at implementing policies to increase female representation in the city and it is true that we’ve had conversations with a number of national party bodies about that, which is perfectly natural when making changes to key party policies.”

The Green Party’s leader Natalie Bennett was not available for comment.

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11:37am Wed 4 Jun 14

TomPaine says...

Slow news day?
Slow news day? TomPaine
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Wed 4 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

Greens only open their mouths to change feet, don't they?! Anyway I thought Philomena said we weren't allowed to identify gender so what didoeses Phillips think s/he is doing?
Greens only open their mouths to change feet, don't they?! Anyway I thought Philomena said we weren't allowed to identify gender so what didoeses Phillips think s/he is doing? NickBrt
  • Score: 19

12:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable. Roundbill
  • Score: 19

12:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Martha Gunn says...

These people are genuinely dangerous as well as bonkers.

Roll on 2015.
These people are genuinely dangerous as well as bonkers. Roll on 2015. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 42

12:29pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Warren Morgan says...

More than half of Labour's 54 candidates have already been selected, with almost half of them women - and more than half of the current Labour Group are women. Only 8 of the 21 Greens are women.

Whilst the Greens once again fight amongst themselves and have no council candidates in place with less than a year to go till polling day, we are getting on with it.
More than half of Labour's 54 candidates have already been selected, with almost half of them women - and more than half of the current Labour Group are women. Only 8 of the 21 Greens are women. Whilst the Greens once again fight amongst themselves and have no council candidates in place with less than a year to go till polling day, we are getting on with it. Warren Morgan
  • Score: -5

12:30pm Wed 4 Jun 14

cynic_the says...

If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific).

To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal!
If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific). To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal! cynic_the
  • Score: 26

12:37pm Wed 4 Jun 14

wexler53 says...

Great to see our wonderful green councillors are dealing with the really important issues!!!
Great to see our wonderful green councillors are dealing with the really important issues!!! wexler53
  • Score: 28

12:55pm Wed 4 Jun 14

fredaj says...

cynic_the wrote:
If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific).

To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal!
No, that would not be illegal.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific). To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal![/p][/quote]No, that would not be illegal. fredaj
  • Score: -12

12:56pm Wed 4 Jun 14

fredflintstone1 says...

There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females?

As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.
There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females? As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 16

12:58pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

This story is already out-of-date.

GPRC initially overlooked a discretionary power elsewhere in our constitution which has a moderating effect and allows the Selection Panel to give due regard to the intentions of sitting councillors to re-stand and the views of the Green Party members in each ward.

GPRC chairs yesterday welcomed the local party's clarification on this point and said they are now minded to recommended our candidate selection policy for approval. It will encourage more women to stand for election as Green Party councillors next year and should see us achieve our target of minimum 50% female candidates without crossing the line of reverse gender discrimination.
This story is already out-of-date. GPRC initially overlooked a discretionary power elsewhere in our constitution which has a moderating effect and allows the Selection Panel to give due regard to the intentions of sitting councillors to re-stand and the views of the Green Party members in each ward. GPRC chairs yesterday welcomed the local party's clarification on this point and said they are now minded to recommended our candidate selection policy for approval. It will encourage more women to stand for election as Green Party councillors next year and should see us achieve our target of minimum 50% female candidates without crossing the line of reverse gender discrimination. Eugenius
  • Score: -16

1:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
More than half of Labour's 54 candidates have already been selected, with almost half of them women - and more than half of the current Labour Group are women. Only 8 of the 21 Greens are women.

Whilst the Greens once again fight amongst themselves and have no council candidates in place with less than a year to go till polling day, we are getting on with it.
Congratulations with getting on with electioneering. Well done you.

This isn't a fight, it was a constitutional tussle between the local party and a national advisory body over what national rules allowed us to do. It's sorted now and we can get on with our internal election for 2015 candidates.

Pleased to hear it seems you support our policy to increase our female representation on the council.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: More than half of Labour's 54 candidates have already been selected, with almost half of them women - and more than half of the current Labour Group are women. Only 8 of the 21 Greens are women. Whilst the Greens once again fight amongst themselves and have no council candidates in place with less than a year to go till polling day, we are getting on with it.[/p][/quote]Congratulations with getting on with electioneering. Well done you. This isn't a fight, it was a constitutional tussle between the local party and a national advisory body over what national rules allowed us to do. It's sorted now and we can get on with our internal election for 2015 candidates. Pleased to hear it seems you support our policy to increase our female representation on the council. Eugenius
  • Score: -18

1:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students... pachallis
  • Score: 24

1:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

fredaj wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific).

To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal!
No, that would not be illegal.
Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific). To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal![/p][/quote]No, that would not be illegal.[/p][/quote]Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists. Eugenius
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Wed 4 Jun 14

TonyTony says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females?

As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.
Nail on the head
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females? As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.[/p][/quote]Nail on the head TonyTony
  • Score: 12

1:29pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Martha Gunn says...

Will there also be a quota for Veganistas and Extra-Terrestrials?

Both of which categories are arguably already over-represented in the ranks of the Green Party Councillors.
Will there also be a quota for Veganistas and Extra-Terrestrials? Both of which categories are arguably already over-represented in the ranks of the Green Party Councillors. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 22

1:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

One thing the Greens have done is to ensure each selection has at least one moron as a candidate.
One thing the Greens have done is to ensure each selection has at least one moron as a candidate. NickBrt
  • Score: 25

1:56pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Can anyone explain why a council (any council) should have more females than males on it?
Can anyone explain why a council (any council) should have more females than males on it? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 15

2:00pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
This story is already out-of-date.

GPRC initially overlooked a discretionary power elsewhere in our constitution which has a moderating effect and allows the Selection Panel to give due regard to the intentions of sitting councillors to re-stand and the views of the Green Party members in each ward.

GPRC chairs yesterday welcomed the local party's clarification on this point and said they are now minded to recommended our candidate selection policy for approval. It will encourage more women to stand for election as Green Party councillors next year and should see us achieve our target of minimum 50% female candidates without crossing the line of reverse gender discrimination.
What you actually mean is that the Green party has sexist members. The job should go to the best candidate regardless of gender, race, sexuality and religion.

Sadly it would appear silly Alex, who decided to clear off to Africa rather than represent the people that VOTED for her, has had her plan scuppered !

Vote Green, vote sexist.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: This story is already out-of-date. GPRC initially overlooked a discretionary power elsewhere in our constitution which has a moderating effect and allows the Selection Panel to give due regard to the intentions of sitting councillors to re-stand and the views of the Green Party members in each ward. GPRC chairs yesterday welcomed the local party's clarification on this point and said they are now minded to recommended our candidate selection policy for approval. It will encourage more women to stand for election as Green Party councillors next year and should see us achieve our target of minimum 50% female candidates without crossing the line of reverse gender discrimination.[/p][/quote]What you actually mean is that the Green party has sexist members. The job should go to the best candidate regardless of gender, race, sexuality and religion. Sadly it would appear silly Alex, who decided to clear off to Africa rather than represent the people that VOTED for her, has had her plan scuppered ! Vote Green, vote sexist. Fight_Back
  • Score: 24

2:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

cynic_the says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific).

To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal!
No, that would not be illegal.
Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists.
Interesting, and quite correct too.

Pretty sure it's illegal for businesses though. My feeling is it's better to try and attract more female applicants, rather than to force the issue.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific). To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal![/p][/quote]No, that would not be illegal.[/p][/quote]Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists.[/p][/quote]Interesting, and quite correct too. Pretty sure it's illegal for businesses though. My feeling is it's better to try and attract more female applicants, rather than to force the issue. cynic_the
  • Score: 10

2:16pm Wed 4 Jun 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

If this has been correctly reported - and that's a big if knowing how bad the Argus is nowadays - this is disgraceful and will put a lot of people off voting green IMO.
If this has been correctly reported - and that's a big if knowing how bad the Argus is nowadays - this is disgraceful and will put a lot of people off voting green IMO. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 10

2:28pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) says...

pachallis wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students...[/p][/quote]It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'. Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
  • Score: 15

2:28pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible."

Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors?

I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.
"As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible." Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors? I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

The more you hear about the green party, the more you wonder whether they are capable of looking after anything bigger than toy town.
The more you hear about the green party, the more you wonder whether they are capable of looking after anything bigger than toy town. Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 13

3:16pm Wed 4 Jun 14

dickpagebrighton says...

cynic_the wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific).

To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal!
No, that would not be illegal.
Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists.
Interesting, and quite correct too.

Pretty sure it's illegal for businesses though. My feeling is it's better to try and attract more female applicants, rather than to force the issue.
Like Labour, I think the Greens have been trying to attract more women candidates for years. But when politics is aggressive, with name-calling (and gratuitous abuse - unfortunately reflected in some of the posts to the Argus), and where men often get the top jobs, sometimes it takes some "positive action", like this tilting of the selection process for a period of time, to make the system fairer.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: If you have 10 vacancies, and you get 80 male applicants and 20 female applicants, and you pick the best 10 candidates, you should (roughly) get 8 males and 2 females in the roles (assuming the required skills are not gender specific). To get 5M / 5F, you'd likely have decline 3 males despite them being more suitable for the role, which is illegal![/p][/quote]No, that would not be illegal.[/p][/quote]Actually, the Labour Government passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002 which creates an exemption for positive discrimination in the case of selection for candidates to elected office. Labour have been using this for some time in their all-women shortlists.[/p][/quote]Interesting, and quite correct too. Pretty sure it's illegal for businesses though. My feeling is it's better to try and attract more female applicants, rather than to force the issue.[/p][/quote]Like Labour, I think the Greens have been trying to attract more women candidates for years. But when politics is aggressive, with name-calling (and gratuitous abuse - unfortunately reflected in some of the posts to the Argus), and where men often get the top jobs, sometimes it takes some "positive action", like this tilting of the selection process for a period of time, to make the system fairer. dickpagebrighton
  • Score: -3

3:22pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ghost bus driver says...

Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
She could always go through the PCV test and CPC and take a job with the Big Lemon.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]She could always go through the PCV test and CPC and take a job with the Big Lemon. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 7

3:31pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pachallis says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible."

Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors?

I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.
@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole.

Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid.

For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'?

Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves?

And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines?

IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party?

It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock...
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible." Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors? I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.[/p][/quote]@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole. Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid. For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'? Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves? And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines? IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party? It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock... pachallis
  • Score: 7

3:39pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
If this has been correctly reported - and that's a big if knowing how bad the Argus is nowadays - this is disgraceful and will put a lot of people off voting green IMO.
I think the 20 mph limit, the trebling of parking fees, the imposing of residents parking zones on areas that don't warrant them, the soft approach to illegal traveller camps, the attempt to set up illegal shooting galleries and the destruction of a large section of trees in Wild Park will already have put people off voting Green.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: If this has been correctly reported - and that's a big if knowing how bad the Argus is nowadays - this is disgraceful and will put a lot of people off voting green IMO.[/p][/quote]I think the 20 mph limit, the trebling of parking fees, the imposing of residents parking zones on areas that don't warrant them, the soft approach to illegal traveller camps, the attempt to set up illegal shooting galleries and the destruction of a large section of trees in Wild Park will already have put people off voting Green. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 12

4:10pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

pachallis wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible."

Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors?

I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.
@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole.

Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid.

For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'?

Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves?

And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines?

IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party?

It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock...
You've totally missed the point about 'representation'.

You vote for someone to represent you. What is the best way for them to do that - sharing your sexual fetishes/genital organs or sharing your political views?

There are a myriad of potential groups, as you pointed out. Do you seriously believe that none of their political views overlap? Are you suggesting that a male traveller and a female English literature student cannot share the same view on refuse collection or parking fees?

The fact is that we are all individual, and the only way each can be properly represented on a council if the council has a ward for each of us, which is impossible.

We choose our representative using any criteria we want. Once we have done that, they represent us, but to have them representing us due to their race/gender/orientat
ion is stupid beyond words.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible." Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors? I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.[/p][/quote]@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole. Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid. For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'? Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves? And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines? IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party? It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock...[/p][/quote]You've totally missed the point about 'representation'. You vote for someone to represent you. What is the best way for them to do that - sharing your sexual fetishes/genital organs or sharing your political views? There are a myriad of potential groups, as you pointed out. Do you seriously believe that none of their political views overlap? Are you suggesting that a male traveller and a female English literature student cannot share the same view on refuse collection or parking fees? The fact is that we are all individual, and the only way each can be properly represented on a council if the council has a ward for each of us, which is impossible. We choose our representative using any criteria we want. Once we have done that, they represent us, but to have them representing us due to their race/gender/orientat ion is stupid beyond words. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

4:14pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pachallis says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible."

Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors?

I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.
@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole.

Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid.

For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'?

Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves?

And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines?

IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party?

It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock...
You've totally missed the point about 'representation'.

You vote for someone to represent you. What is the best way for them to do that - sharing your sexual fetishes/genital organs or sharing your political views?

There are a myriad of potential groups, as you pointed out. Do you seriously believe that none of their political views overlap? Are you suggesting that a male traveller and a female English literature student cannot share the same view on refuse collection or parking fees?

The fact is that we are all individual, and the only way each can be properly represented on a council if the council has a ward for each of us, which is impossible.

We choose our representative using any criteria we want. Once we have done that, they represent us, but to have them representing us due to their race/gender/orientat

ion is stupid beyond words.
Totally agreed!
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible." Can you explain why people who objected to their natural gender would make good councillors? I'm not suggesting that they should be denied being on a council, but I want to know why they should be on a council based on their gender issues.[/p][/quote]@ZeeGee, ffs - I guess it is all down to 'diversity' where they want every group to be represented - I assume based upon their percentage share of the population as a whole. Therefore I can understand equal shares of men and women are an ideal, but I also can't see how this effects you being a good councillor? And we know Alexandra is an feminist activist just like out Caroline and is apparently more interested in her aspirations than the residents of Goldsmid. For LGBT, I thought Phelim was their champion on the council - hence the gender neutral toilets in Rottingdean and the Mx option for the 'sexually undecided' on council forms and web sites. Do they need special representation or are they already there but still to 'come out'? Does, or should, sexual tendency even really matter to anyone but the councillor themselves? And what about other minority groups such as migrant Europeans? What about travellers? What about students? What about the unemployed? How doesWill they force equal diversity across religious (sorry - that's me getting at the greens for expelling Christians!) and ethic lines? IMHO it is much more important to have councillors that are interested in representing the people of the city; in providing services in an economic way; and encouraging businesses and tourism; rather than being of a particular 'group' or a particular party? It's a real shame that the greens are more interested in their left-wing anti-capitalist eco-activist goals and fighting the 'establishment' instead of what is best for the city as a whole. If they did their prime job first and worried about their ideologies second the greens could have been a real asset to us all - as it is they appear IMHO as an irresponsible incompetent laughing stock...[/p][/quote]You've totally missed the point about 'representation'. You vote for someone to represent you. What is the best way for them to do that - sharing your sexual fetishes/genital organs or sharing your political views? There are a myriad of potential groups, as you pointed out. Do you seriously believe that none of their political views overlap? Are you suggesting that a male traveller and a female English literature student cannot share the same view on refuse collection or parking fees? The fact is that we are all individual, and the only way each can be properly represented on a council if the council has a ward for each of us, which is impossible. We choose our representative using any criteria we want. Once we have done that, they represent us, but to have them representing us due to their race/gender/orientat ion is stupid beyond words.[/p][/quote]Totally agreed! pachallis
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

A Nursery Rhyme for our times :-

In keeping with Green policies of bigotry and hate,
Our Greenies now vote to discriminate,
But instead of fighting like rats in a sack,
Or looking to stab their "friends" in the back,
Why don't they just pick the best candidate.
A Nursery Rhyme for our times :- In keeping with Green policies of bigotry and hate, Our Greenies now vote to discriminate, But instead of fighting like rats in a sack, Or looking to stab their "friends" in the back, Why don't they just pick the best candidate. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 2

7:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Levent says...

TonyTony wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females?

As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.
Nail on the head
You hide your predujice against the cingendered very well.

Hate yourself much??
[quote][p][bold]TonyTony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females? As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.[/p][/quote]Nail on the head[/p][/quote]You hide your predujice against the cingendered very well. Hate yourself much?? Levent
  • Score: -3

7:23pm Wed 4 Jun 14

David523 says...

Incidents like THIS are why so many people hate the Left Wing. I myself am Left Wing, and am appalled and embarrassed by this news. Its time for the Left to stop stuffing their idealistic, paranoid nonsense about 'threats from patriarchy' down everyone's throats, and just get on with LISTENING to the people. THAT is their job. Since they can't even do that its no wonder no one votes for them!
Incidents like THIS are why so many people hate the Left Wing. I myself am Left Wing, and am appalled and embarrassed by this news. Its time for the Left to stop stuffing their idealistic, paranoid nonsense about 'threats from patriarchy' down everyone's throats, and just get on with LISTENING to the people. THAT is their job. Since they can't even do that its no wonder no one votes for them! David523
  • Score: 9

7:32pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.
Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students...[/p][/quote]It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.[/p][/quote]Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email. Eugenius
  • Score: -2

8:51pm Wed 4 Jun 14

FatherTed11 says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females?

As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.
That's disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females? As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.[/p][/quote]That's disgusting. FatherTed11
  • Score: -1

9:16pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Going by the mess they have made of things so far, it won't matter who the green candidates are since they won't be needed.
Going by the mess they have made of things so far, it won't matter who the green candidates are since they won't be needed. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: -1

10:27pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Levent wrote:
TonyTony wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females?

As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.
Nail on the head
You hide your predujice against the cingendered very well.

Hate yourself much??
What the heck is 'cingendered'?
[quote][p][bold]Levent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TonyTony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: There is an obvious comprise here. Why do the Greens not select transgender candidates, rather than males or females? As far as I'm aware, they have no transgender councillors at present. This in itself is reprehensible.[/p][/quote]Nail on the head[/p][/quote]You hide your predujice against the cingendered very well. Hate yourself much??[/p][/quote]What the heck is 'cingendered'? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

2:33am Thu 5 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

Why are all Green Councillors white?
Why are all Green Councillors white? NickBrt
  • Score: 4

7:46am Thu 5 Jun 14

hoveguyactually says...

As a supporter of animal rights, I am wondering why there are no cats or dogs selected to be candidates in the Green Party. I am sure they would provide more intelligence than the clowns we are having to put up with at the moment.
As a supporter of animal rights, I am wondering why there are no cats or dogs selected to be candidates in the Green Party. I am sure they would provide more intelligence than the clowns we are having to put up with at the moment. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 5

11:44am Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.
Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.
So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim?

And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities?

And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students...[/p][/quote]It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.[/p][/quote]Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.[/p][/quote]So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim? And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities? And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us? pachallis
  • Score: 0

12:07am Fri 6 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.
Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.
So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim?

And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities?

And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us?
It was only two months not three and her partner Tom didn't travel with her though he did fly out for a romantic weekend visit halfway through. Councillor allowances consist of a base allowance with committee chairs and deputies receiving a special responsibility allowance on top of this. They are not paid by the hour.

If you want proof that she didn't claim, download the annual allowance reports from the council website for 2011/12 and 2012/13 (her sabbatical covered March and April 2012 so it crossed the financial year end) and note that Alex's base allowance was reduced compared to the other councillors.

As for councillors who didn't show up but still claimed allowances, I was thinking specifically of Paul Lainchbury, Alex's Conservative predecessor in Goldsmid, who didn't attend a single committee meeting for a year.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students...[/p][/quote]It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.[/p][/quote]Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.[/p][/quote]So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim? And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities? And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us?[/p][/quote]It was only two months not three and her partner Tom didn't travel with her though he did fly out for a romantic weekend visit halfway through. Councillor allowances consist of a base allowance with committee chairs and deputies receiving a special responsibility allowance on top of this. They are not paid by the hour. If you want proof that she didn't claim, download the annual allowance reports from the council website for 2011/12 and 2012/13 (her sabbatical covered March and April 2012 so it crossed the financial year end) and note that Alex's base allowance was reduced compared to the other councillors. As for councillors who didn't show up but still claimed allowances, I was thinking specifically of Paul Lainchbury, Alex's Conservative predecessor in Goldsmid, who didn't attend a single committee meeting for a year. Eugenius
  • Score: 1

4:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

NickBrt wrote:
Why are all Green Councillors white?
Because this is England.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Why are all Green Councillors white?[/p][/quote]Because this is England. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

11:26am Sat 7 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

NickBrt wrote:
Why are all Green Councillors white?
There are currently no non-white councillors in Brighton & Hove. Given that 5% of the city's population is non-white that's not a fair reflection, it would be great to see more diversity in the candidates from all parties next year.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Why are all Green Councillors white?[/p][/quote]There are currently no non-white councillors in Brighton & Hove. Given that 5% of the city's population is non-white that's not a fair reflection, it would be great to see more diversity in the candidates from all parties next year. Eugenius
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.
@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her.

As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat.

Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt.

It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole?

I pity her students...
It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.
Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.
So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim?

And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities?

And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us?
It was only two months not three and her partner Tom didn't travel with her though he did fly out for a romantic weekend visit halfway through. Councillor allowances consist of a base allowance with committee chairs and deputies receiving a special responsibility allowance on top of this. They are not paid by the hour.

If you want proof that she didn't claim, download the annual allowance reports from the council website for 2011/12 and 2012/13 (her sabbatical covered March and April 2012 so it crossed the financial year end) and note that Alex's base allowance was reduced compared to the other councillors.

As for councillors who didn't show up but still claimed allowances, I was thinking specifically of Paul Lainchbury, Alex's Conservative predecessor in Goldsmid, who didn't attend a single committee meeting for a year.
@Eugenius - I'm impressed you know so much about Alex's social life - I assume you must be a close ally to the green elite - if that isn't an oxymoron!

And so Tom flew out for a romantic weekend? I thought the greens were totally against air travel and make a point of only using sustainable transport?

So much for setting a good example to residents? Don't do as I do - do as I say?

Similar to Alex and Tom allegedly having a public bust-up by a bus stop the other evening. Says a lot about the calibre of our elected leaders!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Councillor Phillips, if you need a hand with your CV, give me a shout. We've got almost a year, so I'm sure we can do something to make you look employable.[/p][/quote]@Roundbill - well Alexandra had seen 'the writing on the wall' and was second MEP candidate on the list for the greens in the South East and if they had had a 2.5% swing to them then we would have managed to get rid of her. As it was there was a 2.9% swing away from the greens and they were lucky for Keith Taylor to keep his gravy-train Euro seat. Alexandra must have great ambitions - she wanted to be deputy leader of the Green Party - and she had her MEP attempt. It's just amazing that a school teacher such as Alexandra, who we regularly hear have a really difficult time consuming job, also has time to be a councillor for Goldsmid; to be a supporter for the factavists; and has time to promote herself for climbing the greasy pole? I pity her students...[/p][/quote]It's the same Alex Phillips who tried to desert her Goldsmid constituents by spending three months in Africa as part of her teacher training course. She claimed that teaching in Africa was vital to her 'emotional and spiritual development'.[/p][/quote]Unlike some previous opposition councillors who have gone AWOL, Alex did not claim allowances while she was in Africa. She stayed on top of her constituent emails and ensured that the other two councillors in Goldsmid were able to provide cover for the matters she couldn't handle by email.[/p][/quote]So she didn't claim allowances whilst on 'holiday' in Africa with her partner - how wonderful - an honest green party councillor? How do you know she didn't claim? And do we know what Alexandra does claim for when she is here? How does she fund her 'anti-fracking' activities? And you have to make aspersions about other councillors - would you be so pleased to identify them for us?[/p][/quote]It was only two months not three and her partner Tom didn't travel with her though he did fly out for a romantic weekend visit halfway through. Councillor allowances consist of a base allowance with committee chairs and deputies receiving a special responsibility allowance on top of this. They are not paid by the hour. If you want proof that she didn't claim, download the annual allowance reports from the council website for 2011/12 and 2012/13 (her sabbatical covered March and April 2012 so it crossed the financial year end) and note that Alex's base allowance was reduced compared to the other councillors. As for councillors who didn't show up but still claimed allowances, I was thinking specifically of Paul Lainchbury, Alex's Conservative predecessor in Goldsmid, who didn't attend a single committee meeting for a year.[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I'm impressed you know so much about Alex's social life - I assume you must be a close ally to the green elite - if that isn't an oxymoron! And so Tom flew out for a romantic weekend? I thought the greens were totally against air travel and make a point of only using sustainable transport? So much for setting a good example to residents? Don't do as I do - do as I say? Similar to Alex and Tom allegedly having a public bust-up by a bus stop the other evening. Says a lot about the calibre of our elected leaders! pachallis
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