Caroline Lucas damns Queen's speech as "squandered opportunity"

Caroline Lucas damns Queen's speech as

Caroline Lucas damns Queen's speech as "squandered opportunity"

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AN MP has damned The Queen’s speech as a “squandered opportunity” to “reset” politics.

Caroline Lucas, MP for Brighton Pavilion, spoke after the speech and said "it could have set a brave new agenda - instead it let people down". 

She was critical after the inclusion of the Infrastructure Bill which the Greens say grants oil and gas companies more powers to run pipelines under private land.

Ms Lucas said:"The people of Brighton and Hove and East Sussex have spoken clearly on this Bill and it's a resounding 'no, they don't want it'.

“The Government, in pursuit of its own vested interests, is ignoring their well-placed concerns and ramming this legislation through as quickly as possible instead.

"Not only does this bill defy public opinion, it denies people a voice. To allow fracking companies to drill under homeowners' land without their permission is a completely unacceptable violation of their rights."

She added: “Even putting to one side the evidence of environmental and health risks posed by fracking, the easing of trespass laws within this Bill is a completely unacceptable violation of homeowners’ rights across the country.

“The public have spoken clearly on this proposed new fracking law: 75 per cent don’t want it.

“The Government hasn’t listened. So now it’s steamrolling through legislation that will deny people any say in what happens to the very ground beneath their homes. Positive spin on this is pure hot air: the evidence speaks for itself.”

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6:11pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

What a stupid woman.
What a stupid woman. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 17

6:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

rolivan says...

I didn't realise I owned the land under my property to the centre of the Earth.
I didn't realise I owned the land under my property to the centre of the Earth. rolivan
  • Score: 29

7:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

twonk says...

She truly believes that's she's never wrong.
She truly believes that's she's never wrong. twonk
  • Score: 34

7:20pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Stupid immature echo-activist publicity seeker.

1. She is only really doing this because she is anti-capitalist / communist - what the green party actually is!
2. They will not be fracking under her constituency as the geology is not suitable, So can she please get back to looking after the 1 constituency the greens actuality represent
3. We cannot trust the calibre of someone who believes in the quack science of homeopathy to offer any meaningful comments on geoscience fracking
4. How can Lucas speak for all the people of Sussex? She had never listened to me.
5. She only represents the people who have been frightened by the misinformation spread by the eco-activists who have no realistic alternative solution available.
Stupid immature echo-activist publicity seeker. 1. She is only really doing this because she is anti-capitalist / communist - what the green party actually is! 2. They will not be fracking under her constituency as the geology is not suitable, So can she please get back to looking after the 1 constituency the greens actuality represent 3. We cannot trust the calibre of someone who believes in the quack science of homeopathy to offer any meaningful comments on geoscience fracking 4. How can Lucas speak for all the people of Sussex? She had never listened to me. 5. She only represents the people who have been frightened by the misinformation spread by the eco-activists who have no realistic alternative solution available. pachallis
  • Score: 31

7:38pm Wed 4 Jun 14

NickBtn says...

The people of Brighton and Hove and East Sussex have spoken clearly on this Bill and it's a resounding 'no, they don't want it'.

When did the people speak? It's not when Ms Lucas was elected as this wasn't an issue then. Nor at the European elections - the bill wasn't an issue

Whether or not you agree or disagree with the bill, it is wrong to claim a mandate when there isn't and can't be one. After all, how can the people of Brighton and Hove have a "resounding" view on something without being asked? How can Caroline Lucas know? To quote her views as all of ours is unfair, undemocratic and does her cause no good
The people of Brighton and Hove and East Sussex have spoken clearly on this Bill and it's a resounding 'no, they don't want it'. When did the people speak? It's not when Ms Lucas was elected as this wasn't an issue then. Nor at the European elections - the bill wasn't an issue Whether or not you agree or disagree with the bill, it is wrong to claim a mandate when there isn't and can't be one. After all, how can the people of Brighton and Hove have a "resounding" view on something without being asked? How can Caroline Lucas know? To quote her views as all of ours is unfair, undemocratic and does her cause no good NickBtn
  • Score: 16

7:45pm Wed 4 Jun 14

roystony says...

According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it. roystony
  • Score: 26

7:46pm Wed 4 Jun 14

roystony says...

roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
To cut it*
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]To cut it* roystony
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

According to Saint Caroline

"“The public have spoken clearly on this proposed new fracking law: 75 per cent don’t want it."

Have I missed a referendum or something, this is the first I've heard about this piece of overwhelmingly earth shattering (no pun intended) news.

She goes on (and on, and on )“The Government hasn’t listened. So now it’s steamrolling through legislation that will deny people any say in what happens to the very ground beneath their homes. Positive spin on this is pure hot air: the evidence speaks for itself.”

Doesn't this seem rather reminiscent of the line her Green slime council colleagues have taken in Brighton over a number of issues, cycle lanes and bus lanes for example ? Talk about double standards, pots and kettles and being two faced - really Caroline try thinking before opening your mouth for once.
According to Saint Caroline "“The public have spoken clearly on this proposed new fracking law: 75 per cent don’t want it." Have I missed a referendum or something, this is the first I've heard about this piece of overwhelmingly earth shattering (no pun intended) news. She goes on (and on, and on )“The Government hasn’t listened. So now it’s steamrolling through legislation that will deny people any say in what happens to the very ground beneath their homes. Positive spin on this is pure hot air: the evidence speaks for itself.” Doesn't this seem rather reminiscent of the line her Green slime council colleagues have taken in Brighton over a number of issues, cycle lanes and bus lanes for example ? Talk about double standards, pots and kettles and being two faced - really Caroline try thinking before opening your mouth for once. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 24

8:33pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Ania Green says...

At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that. Ania Green
  • Score: -32

8:39pm Wed 4 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

Ania Green wrote:
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
Sounds like your up for a foursome?
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.[/p][/quote]Sounds like your up for a foursome? To baldly go
  • Score: 16

9:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

NathanAdler says...

Lucas hates Britain. She is truly a nasty, nasty piece of work.
Lucas hates Britain. She is truly a nasty, nasty piece of work. NathanAdler
  • Score: 16

9:16pm Wed 4 Jun 14

pwlr1966 says...

Caroline Lucas damns Queen's speech as "squandered opportunity"
Unlike the years the greens have been in power.
Caroline Lucas damns Queen's speech as "squandered opportunity" Unlike the years the greens have been in power. pwlr1966
  • Score: 26

9:26pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Ania Green wrote:
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
What a stupid post, Ania.

The Queen has NOTHING to do with what the Speech contains, so 'standing up' to her isn't involved.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.[/p][/quote]What a stupid post, Ania. The Queen has NOTHING to do with what the Speech contains, so 'standing up' to her isn't involved. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 17

9:28pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Lucas hates Britain. She is truly a nasty, nasty piece of work.
Her support for the UAG thuggery shows that she hates the English especially.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Lucas hates Britain. She is truly a nasty, nasty piece of work.[/p][/quote]Her support for the UAG thuggery shows that she hates the English especially. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 8

9:49pm Wed 4 Jun 14

dawind says...

My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.
My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual. dawind
  • Score: -21

10:06pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Why has the city now got the lowest level of recycling since 2007?
So much for caring about the environment Caroline.
Why has the city now got the lowest level of recycling since 2007? So much for caring about the environment Caroline. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 21

10:23pm Wed 4 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

dawind wrote:
My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.
Thank you for reminding us that you haven't the intelligence to discuss the matter...........as usual.
[quote][p][bold]dawind[/bold] wrote: My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.[/p][/quote]Thank you for reminding us that you haven't the intelligence to discuss the matter...........as usual. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 7

10:30pm Wed 4 Jun 14

roystony says...

dawind wrote:
My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.
No need to be nasty now.

Where did the racist comment come from?
[quote][p][bold]dawind[/bold] wrote: My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.[/p][/quote]No need to be nasty now. Where did the racist comment come from? roystony
  • Score: 7

12:56am Thu 5 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

dawind wrote:
My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.
And the sexist comments... and the ones suggesting that sexual violence is the answer.
[quote][p][bold]dawind[/bold] wrote: My oh my... there are some truly weird people commentating tonight. Oh hang on, its the same old bigots, racists and morons as usual.[/p][/quote]And the sexist comments... and the ones suggesting that sexual violence is the answer. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

2:27am Thu 5 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

When and how did she ask the people for their views like she claims? She sounds like a dictator. Maybe she should move from Balcombe and go represent China. They issue propaganda and insist people believe it like she does.
When and how did she ask the people for their views like she claims? She sounds like a dictator. Maybe she should move from Balcombe and go represent China. They issue propaganda and insist people believe it like she does. NickBrt
  • Score: 8

6:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
[quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford." Eugenius
  • Score: -3

7:13am Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning! pachallis
  • Score: 6

7:55am Thu 5 Jun 14

Sussex jim says...

Ania Green wrote:
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
Ania, Caroline and all the other Greens should be given a flat island where they can create their purpose-built dream city in which everyone walks or cycles,and goods are moved in handcarts. All houses would be single storey with solar panels to provide energy to grow their weed; and all furniture would be hand-carved wood from a sustainable forest.
The only way on or off this paradise would be by sailing ship.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.[/p][/quote]Ania, Caroline and all the other Greens should be given a flat island where they can create their purpose-built dream city in which everyone walks or cycles,and goods are moved in handcarts. All houses would be single storey with solar panels to provide energy to grow their weed; and all furniture would be hand-carved wood from a sustainable forest. The only way on or off this paradise would be by sailing ship. Sussex jim
  • Score: 5

8:40am Thu 5 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi
an.com/environment/2
014/may/06/fracking-
trespass-law-changes
-opposed-by-74-of-br
itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham) Eugenius
  • Score: 1

8:40am Thu 5 Jun 14

Eugenius says...

Sussex jim wrote:
Ania Green wrote:
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
Ania, Caroline and all the other Greens should be given a flat island where they can create their purpose-built dream city in which everyone walks or cycles,and goods are moved in handcarts. All houses would be single storey with solar panels to provide energy to grow their weed; and all furniture would be hand-carved wood from a sustainable forest.
The only way on or off this paradise would be by sailing ship.
We've looked into it and the costs are prohibitive.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.[/p][/quote]Ania, Caroline and all the other Greens should be given a flat island where they can create their purpose-built dream city in which everyone walks or cycles,and goods are moved in handcarts. All houses would be single storey with solar panels to provide energy to grow their weed; and all furniture would be hand-carved wood from a sustainable forest. The only way on or off this paradise would be by sailing ship.[/p][/quote]We've looked into it and the costs are prohibitive. Eugenius
  • Score: -2

8:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site.

As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this..

"Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.”

and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.
Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site. As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this.. "Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.” and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

8:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site.

As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this..

"Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.”

and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.
You're a Green, and therefore you are all for unlimited immigration to this country.

Have you any idea how much that increases the pollution produced by this over-crowded island?

As for the contribution to the global total, we produce a fraction. Any change is barely noticeable.

The environment isn't facing disaster. It is merely being overused thanks to 65 million souls upon it, many of whom really shouldn't be here.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site. As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this.. "Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.” and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.[/p][/quote]You're a Green, and therefore you are all for unlimited immigration to this country. Have you any idea how much that increases the pollution produced by this over-crowded island? As for the contribution to the global total, we produce a fraction. Any change is barely noticeable. The environment isn't facing disaster. It is merely being overused thanks to 65 million souls upon it, many of whom really shouldn't be here. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

9:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site.

As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this..

"Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.”

and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.
The problem I have with the Greens is that I believe they use the science when it supports an anti-capitalist / anti-global agenda, and ignore it when it doesn't suit them.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site. As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this.. "Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.” and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.[/p][/quote]The problem I have with the Greens is that I believe they use the science when it supports an anti-capitalist / anti-global agenda, and ignore it when it doesn't suit them. Plantpot
  • Score: 4

9:23am Thu 5 Jun 14

Plantpot says...

Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi

an.com/environment/2

014/may/06/fracking-

trespass-law-changes

-opposed-by-74-of-br

itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism? Plantpot
  • Score: 0

9:26am Thu 5 Jun 14

roystony says...

Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
So your report shows a survey of some green/socialist students?

My report is from people who live in the real work and taken from a sample of 7657. The sample consists of random people of the streets of brighton and hove by a independent reviewing panel.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]So your report shows a survey of some green/socialist students? My report is from people who live in the real work and taken from a sample of 7657. The sample consists of random people of the streets of brighton and hove by a independent reviewing panel. roystony
  • Score: 2

10:42am Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi

an.com/environment/2

014/may/06/fracking-

trespass-law-changes

-opposed-by-74-of-br

itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
@Eugenius - and if you look at the Guardian article the survey was 'Should energy companies be able to drill without permission?' sponsored by YouGov and, surprise, surprise, the extreme wing of the green party - Greenpeace.

Methinks it is time for more green-speak spin!

Greenpeace Director said "Greenpeace is one of a number of conservation groups who along with a leading homeowner organisation have written to prime minister David Cameron urging him to back the rights of local people to refuse access to companies which wish to drill for fossil fuels underneath their homes and land.".

The picture linked to the article says everything "Don't frack our house prices". The people are worried about house prices rather than fracking.

So what misinformation was provided in the survey by Greenpeace? Were they implying that energy companies could set up a drilling rig in you back garden without getting permission?

Were they told that any drilling, as per the TV news item yesterday, was a one-off event and the subsequent 'fracking' occurs over a mile underground and would not be able to be heard or felt?

Please can you provide a link to the actual survey, because, as usual, the greens seem to be being a economical with the truth when it comes to selecting results from surveys!

You might point out that anyone can sign up for YouGov surveys, so it may not be that a proper random sample of opinions are included. For instance, I signed up today and there is a survey active about fracking:

'Shale gas is natural gas trapped under sedimentary rock, which is extracted using a method known as "fracking". Do you support or oppose fracking in Britain?'

And the current state of the poll:

Strongly support 18%
Slightly support 27%
Slightly oppose 16%
Strongly oppose 16%
Neither / Don't know 23%

So you could say57% if those polled are not supportive of fracking - or you could say only 32% oppose fracking!

Interesting that there is no question about demographics, so if you can get a lot of your like-minded fractivists to vote on your side you may be able to swing the results!
I note that you did not provide a source of the 49.7% article, so here it is:

http://www.theguardi
an.com/environment/2
014/may/19/fracking-
uk-shale-gas

And what was the information provided to those surveyed? What were the questions answered? Again what eco-activist misinformation was provided?

But then what do percentages of surveys really say or mean.

It is what those responsible (not a word the greens know the meaning of - in fact there are a lot of words the greens don't know the meaning of - apologies to the chuckle brothers!) elected representatives looking at the energy needs of the UK, working globally to ensure the world is saved, rather than just one extreme feminist, eco-activist. pro-minority, anti-capitalist, pro-drugs, extreme left-wing, immature Green MP who only really remains in power due to the student vote in Brighton Pavilion.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - and if you look at the Guardian article the survey was 'Should energy companies be able to drill without permission?' sponsored by YouGov and, surprise, surprise, the extreme wing of the green party - Greenpeace. Methinks it is time for more green-speak spin! Greenpeace Director said "Greenpeace is one of a number of conservation groups who along with a leading homeowner organisation have written to prime minister David Cameron urging him to back the rights of local people to refuse access to companies which wish to drill for fossil fuels underneath their homes and land.". The picture linked to the article says everything "Don't frack our house prices". The people are worried about house prices rather than fracking. So what misinformation was provided in the survey by Greenpeace? Were they implying that energy companies could set up a drilling rig in you back garden without getting permission? Were they told that any drilling, as per the TV news item yesterday, was a one-off event and the subsequent 'fracking' occurs over a mile underground and would not be able to be heard or felt? Please can you provide a link to the actual survey, because, as usual, the greens seem to be being a economical with the truth when it comes to selecting results from surveys! You might point out that anyone can sign up for YouGov surveys, so it may not be that a proper random sample of opinions are included. For instance, I signed up today and there is a survey active about fracking: 'Shale gas is natural gas trapped under sedimentary rock, which is extracted using a method known as "fracking". Do you support or oppose fracking in Britain?' And the current state of the poll: Strongly support 18% Slightly support 27% Slightly oppose 16% Strongly oppose 16% Neither / Don't know 23% So you could say57% if those polled are not supportive of fracking - or you could say only 32% oppose fracking! Interesting that there is no question about demographics, so if you can get a lot of your like-minded fractivists to vote on your side you may be able to swing the results! I note that you did not provide a source of the 49.7% article, so here it is: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/19/fracking- uk-shale-gas And what was the information provided to those surveyed? What were the questions answered? Again what eco-activist misinformation was provided? But then what do percentages of surveys really say or mean. It is what those responsible (not a word the greens know the meaning of - in fact there are a lot of words the greens don't know the meaning of - apologies to the chuckle brothers!) elected representatives looking at the energy needs of the UK, working globally to ensure the world is saved, rather than just one extreme feminist, eco-activist. pro-minority, anti-capitalist, pro-drugs, extreme left-wing, immature Green MP who only really remains in power due to the student vote in Brighton Pavilion. pachallis
  • Score: 0

11:02am Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site.

As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this..

"Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.”

and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.
I wonder if you will achieve the marvellously negative score on this that you did on the congestion article? Probably not as they'd have to get this far down to read your green-speak spin.

So you managed to find an article to back up your sycophantic support for your mistress.

Don't you want to raise the details of the UN report and the plans for a global approach for dealing with warming and emissions that make no such statement about fossil fuels?

Don't you want to tell everyone about your Zero Carbon plans and what it would mean for the British economy and the lives of British Citizens?

Don't you want to tell everyone about who the green party really are and your view that to be pro-environment you need to be anti-capitalist and left-wing and support the Socialist Workers Party and the UAF thugs?

Over to you Clouseau!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site. As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this.. "Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.” and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.[/p][/quote]I wonder if you will achieve the marvellously negative score on this that you did on the congestion article? Probably not as they'd have to get this far down to read your green-speak spin. So you managed to find an article to back up your sycophantic support for your mistress. Don't you want to raise the details of the UN report and the plans for a global approach for dealing with warming and emissions that make no such statement about fossil fuels? Don't you want to tell everyone about your Zero Carbon plans and what it would mean for the British economy and the lives of British Citizens? Don't you want to tell everyone about who the green party really are and your view that to be pro-environment you need to be anti-capitalist and left-wing and support the Socialist Workers Party and the UAF thugs? Over to you Clouseau! pachallis
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

spa301 says...

Ania Green wrote:
At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across.

If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country.

It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.
If people disagree with you just call them idiots?!
Kind of sums the Greens up.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: At last someone in a position of authority has the guts to stand up to the monarchy. Indeed this was a massive missed opportunity for the Queen to put her own message across. If only there were more people like Caroline Lucas who don't just 'tow the line' and speak up against the big corporations hellbent on wrecking this country. It's a shame that the idiots who post on here can't understand that.[/p][/quote]If people disagree with you just call them idiots?! Kind of sums the Greens up. spa301
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi


an.com/environment/2


014/may/06/fracking-


trespass-law-changes


-opposed-by-74-of-br


itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Mark63 says...

Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
Eugenius.... Most people really couldn't care less about it, truth be known. I for one would like to see better options on energy for the future of this country and the nay-sayers, whiners and those with nothing better to do (including showering) should stop trying to halt progress at every opportunity. What if electricity had been halted as a danger to the World? Where would be be now?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]Eugenius.... Most people really couldn't care less about it, truth be known. I for one would like to see better options on energy for the future of this country and the nay-sayers, whiners and those with nothing better to do (including showering) should stop trying to halt progress at every opportunity. What if electricity had been halted as a danger to the World? Where would be be now? Mark63
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi



an.com/environment/2



014/may/06/fracking-



trespass-law-changes



-opposed-by-74-of-br



itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims. pachallis
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi




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49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

2:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

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49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black. pachallis
  • Score: -1

5:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi






an.com/environment/2






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49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
Gosh Patchy, you are getting nastier and nastier.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.[/p][/quote]Gosh Patchy, you are getting nastier and nastier. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Thu 5 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site.

As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this..

"Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.”

and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.
I wonder if you will achieve the marvellously negative score on this that you did on the congestion article? Probably not as they'd have to get this far down to read your green-speak spin.

So you managed to find an article to back up your sycophantic support for your mistress.

Don't you want to raise the details of the UN report and the plans for a global approach for dealing with warming and emissions that make no such statement about fossil fuels?

Don't you want to tell everyone about your Zero Carbon plans and what it would mean for the British economy and the lives of British Citizens?

Don't you want to tell everyone about who the green party really are and your view that to be pro-environment you need to be anti-capitalist and left-wing and support the Socialist Workers Party and the UAF thugs?

Over to you Clouseau!
Patchy, my good friend, how lovely of you to invite me to repeat once more, many of the points we have recently discussed and a few more besides.

I am afraid I can’t comment on article scoring, I seldom take any note and in any case, I am aware that many of those few that still read out local version of the Daily Mail are likely to disagree with my views. Oh, and while I may disagree with the editorial policy that has driven progressive readers away in droves, I still support the Argus strikers for fighting to keep the paper in the City and to protect the conditions of its employees. I hope all other Argus readers will join me in that.

Alas, I have no mistress!

Now, what did the UN IPCC report say about using natural gas (and not just specifically fracking?)...

"Climate mitigation consistent with the Cancun Agreement requires a reduction of emissions rates below that of NGCC plants by the middle of this century (Figure 7.7, Section 7.8.2 and Figure 7.9, Section 7.11), but natural gas may play a role as a transition fuel in combination with variable renewable sources (Levi, 2013)."

As there is no strategy in the UK to use natural gas to reduce emissions, this seems to fit remarkably well with my quote above and my postings on fracking over many months.

Zero Carbon Britain is a good example of a comprehensive strategy to reduce the country’s emissions while keeping the lights on and maintaining (and I would argue improving for many) our current quality of life. The report can be downloaded for free at www.zerocarbonbritai
n.org (come on Patchy, you are retired, plenty of time to read it!). The report is very uplifting, showing that the changes needed are realistic and do-able, no need to live in a cave! It is not the only strategy of course, but demonstrates what we can do if motivated to do so. The report is not Green Party policy, but I hope it is influential.

Communists, SWP, UAF thugs?...while I certainly not expert on the Greens, but I know enough now to tell you the secret of who the Greens really are...thousands of decent ordinary people who care about their environment and wider society and express this through the most democratic party in the country. The party is also funded almost entirely by its members. They decide the policies. Its a conspirarcy! Keep it to yourself Patchy, it’s our secret!

Of course, you could vote for one of the undemocratic parties that give their members no more say than the members of a fan club and funded by wealthy business people, corporations and blackmailing trade unions. Even the local Labour Party is in part funded by donations from wealthy developers and Hedge Fund managers!

Don't you think it was disgraceful that the Tories once again lowered the energy standards of buildings once more? Standards already exceeded in many other countries?
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Yes, a disgraceful Queens speech. We face environmental disaster and politicians cannot pretend that they are unaware of this after the recent release of damning IPCC reports, yet where is the commitment to tackling the UK's part in this? Instead we get a bill to make a few wealthy people richerby making it easier to frack in the UK. This is a proposal backed by oil companies, others that stand to gain and a few apologists, like those that regularly post on this site. As for fracking and environment, I can put it no better than this.. "Professor David MacKay’s report on shale gas for the UK government Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC), reiterated in evidence he submitted to the Committee preparing the Lords’ report (see pages 353-4), states that “If a country brings any additional fossil fuel reserve into production, then in the absence of strong climate policies, we believe it is likely that this production would increase cumulative emissions in the long run. This increase would work against global efforts on climate change.” and that is exactly where we are. Over to you apologists.[/p][/quote]I wonder if you will achieve the marvellously negative score on this that you did on the congestion article? Probably not as they'd have to get this far down to read your green-speak spin. So you managed to find an article to back up your sycophantic support for your mistress. Don't you want to raise the details of the UN report and the plans for a global approach for dealing with warming and emissions that make no such statement about fossil fuels? Don't you want to tell everyone about your Zero Carbon plans and what it would mean for the British economy and the lives of British Citizens? Don't you want to tell everyone about who the green party really are and your view that to be pro-environment you need to be anti-capitalist and left-wing and support the Socialist Workers Party and the UAF thugs? Over to you Clouseau![/p][/quote]Patchy, my good friend, how lovely of you to invite me to repeat once more, many of the points we have recently discussed and a few more besides. I am afraid I can’t comment on article scoring, I seldom take any note and in any case, I am aware that many of those few that still read out local version of the Daily Mail are likely to disagree with my views. Oh, and while I may disagree with the editorial policy that has driven progressive readers away in droves, I still support the Argus strikers for fighting to keep the paper in the City and to protect the conditions of its employees. I hope all other Argus readers will join me in that. Alas, I have no mistress! Now, what did the UN IPCC report say about using natural gas (and not just specifically fracking?)... "Climate mitigation consistent with the Cancun Agreement requires a reduction of emissions rates below that of NGCC plants by the middle of this century (Figure 7.7, Section 7.8.2 and Figure 7.9, Section 7.11), but natural gas may play a role as a transition fuel in combination with variable renewable sources (Levi, 2013)." As there is no strategy in the UK to use natural gas to reduce emissions, this seems to fit remarkably well with my quote above and my postings on fracking over many months. Zero Carbon Britain is a good example of a comprehensive strategy to reduce the country’s emissions while keeping the lights on and maintaining (and I would argue improving for many) our current quality of life. The report can be downloaded for free at www.zerocarbonbritai n.org (come on Patchy, you are retired, plenty of time to read it!). The report is very uplifting, showing that the changes needed are realistic and do-able, no need to live in a cave! It is not the only strategy of course, but demonstrates what we can do if motivated to do so. The report is not Green Party policy, but I hope it is influential. Communists, SWP, UAF thugs?...while I certainly not expert on the Greens, but I know enough now to tell you the secret of who the Greens really are...thousands of decent ordinary people who care about their environment and wider society and express this through the most democratic party in the country. The party is also funded almost entirely by its members. They decide the policies. Its a conspirarcy! Keep it to yourself Patchy, it’s our secret! Of course, you could vote for one of the undemocratic parties that give their members no more say than the members of a fan club and funded by wealthy business people, corporations and blackmailing trade unions. Even the local Labour Party is in part funded by donations from wealthy developers and Hedge Fund managers! Don't you think it was disgraceful that the Tories once again lowered the energy standards of buildings once more? Standards already exceeded in many other countries? HJarrs
  • Score: -1

7:10pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi







an.com/environment/2







014/may/06/fracking-







trespass-law-changes







-opposed-by-74-of-br







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49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
Gosh Patchy, you are getting nastier and nastier.
@Clouseau - are you having to standup for Gribbet now? Did Grtibbet get upset because I called his bluff and said I'd have no problems if energy companies framed under my house and he had to resort to a tirade of abuse?

Are you more becoming the sensitive party who are so good at slinging mud at other parties and doesn't like it when the same is done back to them?

It's quite ironic to see the greens acting like the poor little injured party.

BTW - can't be bothered to read the full IPCC report - I'll leave that to proper scientists and climate experts - rather than ideological green eco-activists.
What I am looking forward to is doing some real analysis of the YouGov surveys. Looks like those against fracking think we should mine now coal instead?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.[/p][/quote]Gosh Patchy, you are getting nastier and nastier.[/p][/quote]@Clouseau - are you having to standup for Gribbet now? Did Grtibbet get upset because I called his bluff and said I'd have no problems if energy companies framed under my house and he had to resort to a tirade of abuse? Are you more becoming the sensitive party who are so good at slinging mud at other parties and doesn't like it when the same is done back to them? It's quite ironic to see the greens acting like the poor little injured party. BTW - can't be bothered to read the full IPCC report - I'll leave that to proper scientists and climate experts - rather than ideological green eco-activists. What I am looking forward to is doing some real analysis of the YouGov surveys. Looks like those against fracking think we should mine now coal instead? pachallis
  • Score: 2

7:27pm Thu 5 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

You have all the time in the world to read about the issue but "I can't be bothered" sums it up.
You have all the time in the world to read about the issue but "I can't be bothered" sums it up. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

8:13pm Thu 5 Jun 14

UglyAmerican says...

NEWSFLASH:

Moonbat feels relevance slipping away, exploits royalty in desperate attempt for attention.
NEWSFLASH: Moonbat feels relevance slipping away, exploits royalty in desperate attempt for attention. UglyAmerican
  • Score: 0

1:55am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi






an.com/environment/2






014/may/06/fracking-






trespass-law-changes






-opposed-by-74-of-br






itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly?

We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL).

Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.[/p][/quote]Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly? We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL). Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

8:39am Fri 6 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
You have all the time in the world to read about the issue but "I can't be bothered" sums it up.
@Clouseau - sorry should have added...

If you want to propose ZCB to the country then it is up to you to convince us - not for us to convince ourselves of your proposal. You really are a pathetic salesman for the green party!

This is just typical of the arrogance that we have come to expect from the greens where they decide on what should be done for the betterment of the city and then expect the rest of us to follow the undoubted intelligence behind it blindly.

Kitcat is forever writing papers no various subjects and loading them on his web site and when questioned on any subject points the questioner to read his epistle on the matter.

Same with 20mph zones - Davey pushes through their implementation, initially without any real consultation and 'expects motorists to adhere to the limits'! He then just carry's on wasting more and more funding on 'speed limits' that were never going to be enforced and then you attack the police for not doing enough! Why didn’t you attack Davey for putting in unenforceable limits?

Same with ZCB - you cannot be bothered to, or more likely dare not, answer the question and tell us what ZCB will mean to us. Instead you have to hide behind the usual insults. Yes - I have read the summary and it makes a lot of mentions about having to change our lifestyles to reduce our use of carbon fuels; to move large tracts of UK land from food and parkland to grow biofuel crops which will then have to be shipped around the country in lorries. No – I will not r4ead the 170 page full document – I read the summary and it told me all I needed to know. Yes - the greens have not published plan to tell us what will happen if they ever did get into power. Luckily they won't be much longer.

Same with the incredible negative scoring on most of your sycophantic posts. You are so arrogant and believe you are so right on everything that the views of others do not count. You just keep on spinning, spinning, spinning away…

I can't be bothered to discuss this any longer with you. I will continue to attack the misinformation that the greens produce and the extreme left-wing that hide in the background. When it comes to next May and the greens do disappear into the wilderness I will be able to give up my mission of showing what a horrible little party of immature manipulators that you really are.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: You have all the time in the world to read about the issue but "I can't be bothered" sums it up.[/p][/quote]@Clouseau - sorry should have added... If you want to propose ZCB to the country then it is up to you to convince us - not for us to convince ourselves of your proposal. You really are a pathetic salesman for the green party! This is just typical of the arrogance that we have come to expect from the greens where they decide on what should be done for the betterment of the city and then expect the rest of us to follow the undoubted intelligence behind it blindly. Kitcat is forever writing papers no various subjects and loading them on his web site and when questioned on any subject points the questioner to read his epistle on the matter. Same with 20mph zones - Davey pushes through their implementation, initially without any real consultation and 'expects motorists to adhere to the limits'! He then just carry's on wasting more and more funding on 'speed limits' that were never going to be enforced and then you attack the police for not doing enough! Why didn’t you attack Davey for putting in unenforceable limits? Same with ZCB - you cannot be bothered to, or more likely dare not, answer the question and tell us what ZCB will mean to us. Instead you have to hide behind the usual insults. Yes - I have read the summary and it makes a lot of mentions about having to change our lifestyles to reduce our use of carbon fuels; to move large tracts of UK land from food and parkland to grow biofuel crops which will then have to be shipped around the country in lorries. No – I will not r4ead the 170 page full document – I read the summary and it told me all I needed to know. Yes - the greens have not published plan to tell us what will happen if they ever did get into power. Luckily they won't be much longer. Same with the incredible negative scoring on most of your sycophantic posts. You are so arrogant and believe you are so right on everything that the views of others do not count. You just keep on spinning, spinning, spinning away… I can't be bothered to discuss this any longer with you. I will continue to attack the misinformation that the greens produce and the extreme left-wing that hide in the background. When it comes to next May and the greens do disappear into the wilderness I will be able to give up my mission of showing what a horrible little party of immature manipulators that you really are. pachallis
  • Score: 1

8:57am Fri 6 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll)

Source: http://www.theguardi







an.com/environment/2







014/may/06/fracking-







trespass-law-changes







-opposed-by-74-of-br







itons

49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly?

We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL).

Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it.
@Gribbet - glad you actually got round to responding yourself.

Yes - the greens are acting like the labour party of the 60's with their support for renationalisation of energy and railways and their links with Left Unity as endorsed by prominent green-left party councillors Ben Duncan, Phelim McCafferty and Alexandra Phillips. Left Unity who are also after renationalising water and were formed out of the Socialist Workers Party (those who call everyone racists or capitalists) who started the UAF and their use of 'thugs' to suppress views of opponents.

Even your 'wise' HJarrs stated on the Brighton and Hove news article about the first meeting of Left Unity 'There is also a natural tendency of environmental groups towards communitarian and, if you like, socialist type actions as we cannot achieve meaningful environmental change without coming together, planning and working through the issues and having a vision of what the future looks like'.

Pro-environmentalism is just being used by the greens as a way to get their own, personal, policies implemented. Look at Lucas now much more worried about feminist, drug-related, LGBT/traveller minority subjects.

So if you really believe the greens are a centre-party and don't have strong socialist/communist aims to enforce their minority views on the greater population then you are sadly deluded.

Roll on May 2015 when this mess can start to be cleared up.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.[/p][/quote]Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly? We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL). Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - glad you actually got round to responding yourself. Yes - the greens are acting like the labour party of the 60's with their support for renationalisation of energy and railways and their links with Left Unity as endorsed by prominent green-left party councillors Ben Duncan, Phelim McCafferty and Alexandra Phillips. Left Unity who are also after renationalising water and were formed out of the Socialist Workers Party (those who call everyone racists or capitalists) who started the UAF and their use of 'thugs' to suppress views of opponents. Even your 'wise' HJarrs stated on the Brighton and Hove news article about the first meeting of Left Unity 'There is also a natural tendency of environmental groups towards communitarian and, if you like, socialist type actions as we cannot achieve meaningful environmental change without coming together, planning and working through the issues and having a vision of what the future looks like'. Pro-environmentalism is just being used by the greens as a way to get their own, personal, policies implemented. Look at Lucas now much more worried about feminist, drug-related, LGBT/traveller minority subjects. So if you really believe the greens are a centre-party and don't have strong socialist/communist aims to enforce their minority views on the greater population then you are sadly deluded. Roll on May 2015 when this mess can start to be cleared up. pachallis
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10:28am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
roystony wrote:
According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking.
98% want you out of this town.
78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.
Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time.

"Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."
@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long!

So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents?

The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning!
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49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)
Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism.

The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies.

The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?
Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here.

A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.
I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.
Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.
What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true.

Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.
Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly?

We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL).

Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it.
@Gribbet - glad you actually got round to responding yourself.

Yes - the greens are acting like the labour party of the 60's with their support for renationalisation of energy and railways and their links with Left Unity as endorsed by prominent green-left party councillors Ben Duncan, Phelim McCafferty and Alexandra Phillips. Left Unity who are also after renationalising water and were formed out of the Socialist Workers Party (those who call everyone racists or capitalists) who started the UAF and their use of 'thugs' to suppress views of opponents.

Even your 'wise' HJarrs stated on the Brighton and Hove news article about the first meeting of Left Unity 'There is also a natural tendency of environmental groups towards communitarian and, if you like, socialist type actions as we cannot achieve meaningful environmental change without coming together, planning and working through the issues and having a vision of what the future looks like'.

Pro-environmentalism is just being used by the greens as a way to get their own, personal, policies implemented. Look at Lucas now much more worried about feminist, drug-related, LGBT/traveller minority subjects.

So if you really believe the greens are a centre-party and don't have strong socialist/communist aims to enforce their minority views on the greater population then you are sadly deluded.

Roll on May 2015 when this mess can start to be cleared up.
Think you've gone off on your own little tangent again there, doesn't sound like a very good explanation of why you'd volunteer to have fracking companies drilling under your house? After that whole long winded response there, I'm afraid I still think fracking is one big terrible experiment for short term gain resulting in long term pain. Personally I don't care about the politics, I care about the long term environmental consequences for future generations. It seems to me that you've decided you're pro-fracking mainly because you don't like the green party which is a stupid reason.

I think you're also stuck in the 1960s and seem to be motivated by a very 1960s brand of paranoia. I wasn't around back then, but it's weird how (in 2014) you always switch the conversation to Marxism, Communism, North Korea and Cuba etc. when it isn't relevant. You're like a throwback to the 1960s, an English poor man's version of Joseph McCarthy I reckon.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roystony[/bold] wrote: According to my stats, 80% of people want fracking. 98% want you out of this town. 78% think you shouldn't put a bowl over your head go cut it.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish. A national survey carried out by YouGov and the University of Nottingham last month (3657 respondents so a good size sample) shows public support for fracking for shale gas in the UK has fallen below 50% for the first time. "Just 49.7% of people now say they think the controversial process should be allowed in the UK, marking the third fall in support since high-profile protests last summer in West Sussex which saw dozens of arrests including that of Green MP, Caroline Lucas and ongoing protests at a site in Salford."[/p][/quote]@Eugenius - I wondered where the sycophantic fanbois had gone! Looking forward to seeing similar support from HJarrs before long! So because public support for fracking is apparently below 50% for the first time in a survey (supported by communist non-scientific anti-capitalist disinformation scaring people about the dangers), that this equates to 75% of Sussex residents? The greens must now be in real damage limitation mode now after such a blatantly stupid comment by Lucas to have to come up with such pathetic spinning![/p][/quote]74% of Britons oppose ministers' plans to strip people of their access rights so that fracking can go ahead (national YouGov poll) Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/may/06/fracking- trespass-law-changes -opposed-by-74-of-br itons 49.7% think fracking should be banned in the UK altogether (YouGov & University of Nottingham)[/p][/quote]Fracking is less intrusive and unsightly than Big Wind and Big Solar, both of which represent environmental vandalism. The thought that people should own their land in some form of ever dimininishing area that dwindles to an infinitesmal point at the Earth's core is complete nonsense when viewed in context of the requirement for us to own access to our own energy and not rely on foreign supplies. The more I see of political argument, the more I feel it has nothing to do with the actual issues being discussed. People seem to adopt a position that suits their politics and then look for arguments that support it. This is a classic example. Is fracking about house prices or the environment? Anti-capitalism?[/p][/quote]Firstly, government take note, if you're looking for volunteers to be the first to have drilling under their houses, look no further than the Argus comments, there are plenty of volunteers just like this one here. A problem to your argument Plantpot is that fracking in the UK does not mean we either own this energy supply, or get to benefit from reduced energy bills. The reason is that this oil/gas would be sold on the EU market at the highest price. The big energy bosses will be rubbing their hands though, especially as people such as yourself make it so easy for them.[/p][/quote]I've got no problems with energy firms drilling or fracking under my home. In fact it would be immeasurably better than having a green fanboy living next door spouting eco-activist misinformation to back their inherent anti-capitalist aims.[/p][/quote]Another volunteer! This guy wants you to help you generate and hoard more wealth for yourself mr energy boss man and he asks for nothing in return, his only condition is that you don't make him live next door to a green party supporter. He has also waived the future rights of his children, grandchildren and all future generations on their behalf.[/p][/quote]What a sad little communist you are. Believe it or not we need big business and profitability to live in the modern world. Were also need realism and pragmatism rather than idealism more suited to the labour party of the 60s and Anthony Wedgewood-Benn. I humbly suggest you move to North Korea or Cuba and all your dreams of living in a Marxist state where everything is run by incompetents like our current green council can come true. Did you see the satellite picture of Korea at night recently? In the South the lights were all on - in the North it was pitch black.[/p][/quote]Wow! Communist? Labour Party in the 1960s? North Korea? Cuba? Marxist? As much as I'd love to live in Cuba, where has this all come from pachallis and what does it all have to do with being opposed to fracking in Sussex exactly? We've heard you talk about these things before as part of your usual repertoire, but never seen you use them all up in one response before. Funny that you talk about needing pragmatism and realism, them follow that up in the next sentence by talking about moving to North Korea (LOL). Anyway, well volunteered to be one of the first fracking guinea pigs, hope future generations appreciate it.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - glad you actually got round to responding yourself. Yes - the greens are acting like the labour party of the 60's with their support for renationalisation of energy and railways and their links with Left Unity as endorsed by prominent green-left party councillors Ben Duncan, Phelim McCafferty and Alexandra Phillips. Left Unity who are also after renationalising water and were formed out of the Socialist Workers Party (those who call everyone racists or capitalists) who started the UAF and their use of 'thugs' to suppress views of opponents. Even your 'wise' HJarrs stated on the Brighton and Hove news article about the first meeting of Left Unity 'There is also a natural tendency of environmental groups towards communitarian and, if you like, socialist type actions as we cannot achieve meaningful environmental change without coming together, planning and working through the issues and having a vision of what the future looks like'. Pro-environmentalism is just being used by the greens as a way to get their own, personal, policies implemented. Look at Lucas now much more worried about feminist, drug-related, LGBT/traveller minority subjects. So if you really believe the greens are a centre-party and don't have strong socialist/communist aims to enforce their minority views on the greater population then you are sadly deluded. Roll on May 2015 when this mess can start to be cleared up.[/p][/quote]Think you've gone off on your own little tangent again there, doesn't sound like a very good explanation of why you'd volunteer to have fracking companies drilling under your house? After that whole long winded response there, I'm afraid I still think fracking is one big terrible experiment for short term gain resulting in long term pain. Personally I don't care about the politics, I care about the long term environmental consequences for future generations. It seems to me that you've decided you're pro-fracking mainly because you don't like the green party which is a stupid reason. I think you're also stuck in the 1960s and seem to be motivated by a very 1960s brand of paranoia. I wasn't around back then, but it's weird how (in 2014) you always switch the conversation to Marxism, Communism, North Korea and Cuba etc. when it isn't relevant. You're like a throwback to the 1960s, an English poor man's version of Joseph McCarthy I reckon. Gribbet
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