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Vogue gyratory roadworks to begin next month

The Argus: Vogue gyratory roadworks to begin next month Vogue gyratory roadworks to begin next month

Changes to a busy junction will begin next month and are expected to last until the end of the year.

Brighton and Hove City Council has announced that safety improvements to the busy Vogue gyratory system are being planned to start in July.

Council officials say the work is expected to last up to five months at the junction which is used by 60,000 pedestrians, cyclists, bus passengers and motorists a day.

The council’s transport team said it intended to take advantage of lighter traffic during summer holidays to start the improvements when there will be fewer students and commuters.

The £750,000 improvement scheme follows a public consultation in April 2012 which revealed 65% of residents consulted supported the idea of making the junction less hazardous.

As part of the changes, traffic signals will be replaced and a two metre wide cycle lane going north will run inside a “floating” bus stop which will accommodate bendy buses for the first time. The junction will be resurfaced and there will also be improvements to pavements and crossing points.

Priority traffic lights for cyclists will give a three-second head-start to help keep them clear of vehicles. It is anticipated the biggest disruption will be in mid August with the temporary closure of access to and from Upper Lewes Road from the gyratory.

The council is writing to hundreds of homes and business in the area detailing the work plans with businesses being specifically consulted on how the council can maintain access to their premises.

Lead councillor for transport Ian Davey said: “We apologise in advance for any disruption during these important works.

“But improvements to this junction are long overdue and it’s vital that we do what we can to stop collisions, prevent people getting injured, speed bus journeys and make it more pleasant and safe for cyclists and pedestrians.”

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10:39am Fri 6 Jun 14

Hollingdeanresident says...

That will work REALLY well with the 3 way traffic lights that are currently on Upper Hollingdean road due to the sewer works that are going on for 16 weeks - its going to be gridlock!!!
That will work REALLY well with the 3 way traffic lights that are currently on Upper Hollingdean road due to the sewer works that are going on for 16 weeks - its going to be gridlock!!! Hollingdeanresident
  • Score: 21

10:45am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

Can't happen soon enough
Can't happen soon enough Gribbet
  • Score: -10

10:56am Fri 6 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Yeah, having bendy-buses alongside cyclists is a sure way of increasing their safety.........not!
Yeah, having bendy-buses alongside cyclists is a sure way of increasing their safety.........not! ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 17

11:01am Fri 6 Jun 14

s&k says...

This is a joke, right?!?!
This is a joke, right?!?! s&k
  • Score: 13

11:29am Fri 6 Jun 14

pachallis says...

Could this be third time lucky for the green controlled transport committee to actually finish this scheme, or will Davey be allowed even more time and money for further 'corrections'?

How could it possibly take the incompetent planners so many times to keep coming back to cause more disruption?

Has Davey promised that this will be the last time?

How long have they been scr*wing up the traffic on the Lewes Road? How much of the 'alleged' traffic reduction caused by the previous phases just ended up with the same traffic now using rat-runs and coming into town via Woodingdean and Hollingbury?

And what will have been the total cost directly from rates; from parking fees; and from government/European funding? What was the original success-criteria for the Lewes Road project when they got the funding and has it been achieved?
Could this be third time lucky for the green controlled transport committee to actually finish this scheme, or will Davey be allowed even more time and money for further 'corrections'? How could it possibly take the incompetent planners so many times to keep coming back to cause more disruption? Has Davey promised that this will be the last time? How long have they been scr*wing up the traffic on the Lewes Road? How much of the 'alleged' traffic reduction caused by the previous phases just ended up with the same traffic now using rat-runs and coming into town via Woodingdean and Hollingbury? And what will have been the total cost directly from rates; from parking fees; and from government/European funding? What was the original success-criteria for the Lewes Road project when they got the funding and has it been achieved? pachallis
  • Score: 18

12:21pm Fri 6 Jun 14

TomPaine says...

This is currently a very dangerous junction, for all road users, and whoever first designed it must have been completely mad, especially putting the entrance to Sainsbury's there too. Hard to believe that it's taken this long for an administration to do something. I'm sure we'll get the usual moaners on here complaining about Green transport projects, but this had all-party backing. Sure there will be pretty major disruption for a few months, but it's worth it if it saves lives. The 7 Dials junction is much safer now, and I hope the Vogue will soon be too. However you vote, you've got to admit the Greens have got on with these things where earlier administrations didn't have the will to do so.
This is currently a very dangerous junction, for all road users, and whoever first designed it must have been completely mad, especially putting the entrance to Sainsbury's there too. Hard to believe that it's taken this long for an administration to do something. I'm sure we'll get the usual moaners on here complaining about Green transport projects, but this had all-party backing. Sure there will be pretty major disruption for a few months, but it's worth it if it saves lives. The 7 Dials junction is much safer now, and I hope the Vogue will soon be too. However you vote, you've got to admit the Greens have got on with these things where earlier administrations didn't have the will to do so. TomPaine
  • Score: -16

1:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

paul76 says...

"The council’s transport team said it intended to take advantage of lighter traffic during summer holidays to start the improvements when there will be fewer students and commuters."

Students are on bikes, so don't really count, and an increase in tourist traffic, so actually the worst time, as the roads are a lot busier in the summer.

This council really does have sh1t for brains.
"The council’s transport team said it intended to take advantage of lighter traffic during summer holidays to start the improvements when there will be fewer students and commuters." Students are on bikes, so don't really count, and an increase in tourist traffic, so actually the worst time, as the roads are a lot busier in the summer. This council really does have sh1t for brains. paul76
  • Score: 12

1:41pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

TomPaine wrote:
This is currently a very dangerous junction, for all road users, and whoever first designed it must have been completely mad, especially putting the entrance to Sainsbury's there too. Hard to believe that it's taken this long for an administration to do something. I'm sure we'll get the usual moaners on here complaining about Green transport projects, but this had all-party backing. Sure there will be pretty major disruption for a few months, but it's worth it if it saves lives. The 7 Dials junction is much safer now, and I hope the Vogue will soon be too. However you vote, you've got to admit the Greens have got on with these things where earlier administrations didn't have the will to do so.
Agree
[quote][p][bold]TomPaine[/bold] wrote: This is currently a very dangerous junction, for all road users, and whoever first designed it must have been completely mad, especially putting the entrance to Sainsbury's there too. Hard to believe that it's taken this long for an administration to do something. I'm sure we'll get the usual moaners on here complaining about Green transport projects, but this had all-party backing. Sure there will be pretty major disruption for a few months, but it's worth it if it saves lives. The 7 Dials junction is much safer now, and I hope the Vogue will soon be too. However you vote, you've got to admit the Greens have got on with these things where earlier administrations didn't have the will to do so.[/p][/quote]Agree Gribbet
  • Score: -10

8:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Really good news. Finally addressing one of many poor decisions from the 80's, when the transport policy was car, car, car, car.

It is as shame that there will be disruption in the short term, but well worth it. Cycling and bus usage is already up since the Lewes Rd stretch was improved and this will really help.
Really good news. Finally addressing one of many poor decisions from the 80's, when the transport policy was car, car, car, car. It is as shame that there will be disruption in the short term, but well worth it. Cycling and bus usage is already up since the Lewes Rd stretch was improved and this will really help. HJarrs
  • Score: -13

8:23pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Ian Davey isn't sorry in the slightest at the impending disruption and ongoing congestion that will be the legacy of the greens brief period of power.
Ian Davey isn't sorry in the slightest at the impending disruption and ongoing congestion that will be the legacy of the greens brief period of power. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 6

10:34pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Anna Phylactic says...

What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons. Anna Phylactic
  • Score: 9

12:44am Sat 7 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
[quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road? HJarrs
  • Score: -8

9:53am Sat 7 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

paul76 wrote:
"The council’s transport team said it intended to take advantage of lighter traffic during summer holidays to start the improvements when there will be fewer students and commuters."

Students are on bikes, so don't really count, and an increase in tourist traffic, so actually the worst time, as the roads are a lot busier in the summer.

This council really does have sh1t for brains.
If you believe the moanerati half the traffic problems are caused by students in cars!!
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: "The council’s transport team said it intended to take advantage of lighter traffic during summer holidays to start the improvements when there will be fewer students and commuters." Students are on bikes, so don't really count, and an increase in tourist traffic, so actually the worst time, as the roads are a lot busier in the summer. This council really does have sh1t for brains.[/p][/quote]If you believe the moanerati half the traffic problems are caused by students in cars!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

9:56am Sat 7 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

HJarrs wrote:
Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
A sensible question that not one of the moanerati will have an answer too! Maybe Pachallis would like to attempt a response?!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?[/p][/quote]A sensible question that not one of the moanerati will have an answer too! Maybe Pachallis would like to attempt a response?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

9:56am Sat 7 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

HJarrs wrote:
Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
A sensible question that not one of the moanerati will have an answer too! Maybe Pachallis would like to attempt a response?!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?[/p][/quote]A sensible question that not one of the moanerati will have an answer too! Maybe Pachallis would like to attempt a response?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

10:44am Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

@brighton bluenose - yes - quite happy to - as I have posted to several other articles:

Get an independent review by traffic management/planning experts rather than the eco-activist socialist amateurs currently scr*wing up the roads and making congregation and pollution worse. These incompetent idealists who then blame everyone else for their failings and spinning to make it look like they are improving the situation.

Just shut down the 'Sustainable Traffic department' as a green waste of time and money.

Get the planners to look at options for reducing congestion whilst meeting the needs of residents, businesses and visitors instead in a pragmatic, realistic, economic way.

We need real traffic management experts - not rank imbecile greens who's only answer to everything is an idealistic simplistic anti-car pro-bus pro-bike policy championed by the gurning idiot Davey and don't provide any real solutions.
@brighton bluenose - yes - quite happy to - as I have posted to several other articles: Get an independent review by traffic management/planning experts rather than the eco-activist socialist amateurs currently scr*wing up the roads and making congregation and pollution worse. These incompetent idealists who then blame everyone else for their failings and spinning to make it look like they are improving the situation. Just shut down the 'Sustainable Traffic department' as a green waste of time and money. Get the planners to look at options for reducing congestion whilst meeting the needs of residents, businesses and visitors instead in a pragmatic, realistic, economic way. We need real traffic management experts - not rank imbecile greens who's only answer to everything is an idealistic simplistic anti-car pro-bus pro-bike policy championed by the gurning idiot Davey and don't provide any real solutions. pachallis
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars.

Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads.

I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples!

Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours?

Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car.

Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?[/p][/quote]Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars. Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads. I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples! Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours? Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car. Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work! pachallis
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Sat 7 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars.

Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads.

I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples!

Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours?

Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car.

Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work!
"Stolen" road space? Are you for real? Stolen from whom? More people use the bus and cycle lanes on Lewes Rd by a country mile than travel by car.

40% of households do not own a car in the city, does that mean car drivers steal road space where no cycle or bus route exists? Of course not, the idea is nonsense.

You may have noticed that consultations have shown public support for the schemes you despise. The Greens are a minority administration that can be outvoted any time, yet most of the schemes get all party support.

Nobody outside the Argus comments board wants to see more space given over to the private car, parking restrictions, cycle and bus routes have increased under all administrations. I suppose there is always UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?[/p][/quote]Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars. Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads. I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples! Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours? Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car. Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work![/p][/quote]"Stolen" road space? Are you for real? Stolen from whom? More people use the bus and cycle lanes on Lewes Rd by a country mile than travel by car. 40% of households do not own a car in the city, does that mean car drivers steal road space where no cycle or bus route exists? Of course not, the idea is nonsense. You may have noticed that consultations have shown public support for the schemes you despise. The Greens are a minority administration that can be outvoted any time, yet most of the schemes get all party support. Nobody outside the Argus comments board wants to see more space given over to the private car, parking restrictions, cycle and bus routes have increased under all administrations. I suppose there is always UKIP. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

1:47pm Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Anna Phylactic wrote:
What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents.

This is just going to create more of the same.

Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution.

Greens out, total morons.
No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars.

Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?
Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars.

Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads.

I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples!

Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours?

Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car.

Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work!
"Stolen" road space? Are you for real? Stolen from whom? More people use the bus and cycle lanes on Lewes Rd by a country mile than travel by car.

40% of households do not own a car in the city, does that mean car drivers steal road space where no cycle or bus route exists? Of course not, the idea is nonsense.

You may have noticed that consultations have shown public support for the schemes you despise. The Greens are a minority administration that can be outvoted any time, yet most of the schemes get all party support.

Nobody outside the Argus comments board wants to see more space given over to the private car, parking restrictions, cycle and bus routes have increased under all administrations. I suppose there is always UKIP.
Clouseau - still lying - the greens are NOT the minority in the transport committee - they control it with a majority including the chairman.

I'm just not interested in all your supposed surveys and misinformation on traffic effects. You spout misinformation all the time in support of the incompetent administration and I have no confidence of your public surveys being represented in an honest way.

You may have great plans but your implementation are invariably disasters.

If you don't agree with the views expressed by all the Argus commenters then may I humbly suggest you b*gger off and find another mechanism to spread your simplistic beliefs.

You don't have to comment here and responses to your posts invariably show how few agree with your left-wing activist views.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: What the Greens have done to the Lewes road and the surrounding communities is nothing short of shocking. Massive increase in congestion, massive increase in drivers speeding through residential streets to try to avoid the carnage on what used to be the thoroughfares and associated increase in pollution and risk to local residents. This is just going to create more of the same. Personal private transport is the future you pathetically incompetent idiots. Zero emission electric or fuel cell vehicles is what we will all be driving. Internal combustion engine powered mass transit systems as an environmentally friendly option are last century's solution. Greens out, total morons.[/p][/quote]No such thing as zero emission, at least until the electricity grid is powered purely by renewables. I think you will find public transport being electrically powered long before cars. Perhaps you could explain how congestion could be reduced by increasing cars on the road?[/p][/quote]Clouseau - simple - cut down on unused 'stolen' capacity dedicated to be used by buses and bicycles and use it for cars. Get the dangerous cyclists who totally ignore rules of the road and signage to learn how to cycle responsibly and safely and then we can all travel together on the same roads. I regularly cycle on the man roads and have no problem with other traffic - I signal my intentions, obey traffic signs, and watch out for other traffic - simples! Maybe we should encourage your small, low-emission vehicles into the city centre? Perhaps only enforce bus lanes during rush hours? Probably lots of options - except, or course, if you are a bigoted small minded eco-activist who's answer to everything is pro-bike pro-bus anti-car. Let's get some real professionals to review the traffic in the city and come up with some real options that might actually work![/p][/quote]"Stolen" road space? Are you for real? Stolen from whom? More people use the bus and cycle lanes on Lewes Rd by a country mile than travel by car. 40% of households do not own a car in the city, does that mean car drivers steal road space where no cycle or bus route exists? Of course not, the idea is nonsense. You may have noticed that consultations have shown public support for the schemes you despise. The Greens are a minority administration that can be outvoted any time, yet most of the schemes get all party support. Nobody outside the Argus comments board wants to see more space given over to the private car, parking restrictions, cycle and bus routes have increased under all administrations. I suppose there is always UKIP.[/p][/quote]Clouseau - still lying - the greens are NOT the minority in the transport committee - they control it with a majority including the chairman. I'm just not interested in all your supposed surveys and misinformation on traffic effects. You spout misinformation all the time in support of the incompetent administration and I have no confidence of your public surveys being represented in an honest way. You may have great plans but your implementation are invariably disasters. If you don't agree with the views expressed by all the Argus commenters then may I humbly suggest you b*gger off and find another mechanism to spread your simplistic beliefs. You don't have to comment here and responses to your posts invariably show how few agree with your left-wing activist views. pachallis
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2:05pm Sat 7 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

So, basically you have lost the argument.
So, basically you have lost the argument. HJarrs
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3:13pm Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
So, basically you have lost the argument.
No - I just don't bother debating with congenital liars.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: So, basically you have lost the argument.[/p][/quote]No - I just don't bother debating with congenital liars. pachallis
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3:21pm Sat 7 Jun 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
So, basically you have lost the argument.
No - I just don't bother debating with congenital liars.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: So, basically you have lost the argument.[/p][/quote]No - I just don't bother debating with congenital liars. pachallis
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