Brighton among top ten 'staycation' cities

Brighton among top ten 'staycation' cities

Brighton among top ten 'staycation' cities

First published in News

ROCKETING tourism has made Brighton the tenth most popular place for UK ‘staycations’ for Britons who spend an average of £405 on each visit.

A report by Travelodge of 3,000 people found 68 per cent of Brightonians also like to take a staycation, with London, Cornwall and Liverpool their favourite places. Tourism chiefs credit year-round events, festivals and marketing. Nick Mosley, of Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “It is brilliant news.

“There are challenging times ahead for the funding of tourism services and we must look at new ways to secure an improvement of the visitor experience in the public and private spheres.”

Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, of Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “We have certainly benefitted from the growing popularity of the staycation.

“The council’s official tourism unit VisitBrighton works with 400 partners promoting the city’s attractions, running press trips and campaigns, gaining coverage in national publications, and publishing the mini rough guide.”

However Max Leviston, general manager of the Sea Life Centre, said visitors do not return due to traffic and parking chaos.

He said: “Our research shows clearly that although we are enjoying a new audience in the city, the percentage that return regularly is reducing.

“Extortionate car park prices, ridiculous traffic congestion and interrupted rail network links at weekends and holidays are all cited as reasons for never coming back to this wonderful city. It is understandable that council resources need to be prioritised in education, housing and health care, but tourism needs a greater contribution.

“The closure of its Visitor Information Centre and its refusal to explore the benefits of a destination marketing organisation demonstrates where this current administration prioritises tourism, and this simply is not acceptable if we want the staycation market to keep growing.”

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7:26am Wed 18 Jun 14

rogerthefish says...

Brightons a victim of its own success with on Sunday night past (15th of June) the 3 star umi hotel charging from £492, 3 star best western £450 and the grand £389 for 1 night the hotels are price gouging and ripping people off. surely they should be supplying staff to clean the beach- I wonder if any of them did to the last beach cleanup, anyway on Sunday i decided to go to the beach to see a cess pit of waste and chewing gum spattered pavements and
everything is just worn out and needs painting, the traffic on the seafront was horrendous and i've noticed nobody has worked on the repairs at the bottom of west st for weeks and you can see why we are called "Skidrow-by-Sea.

If it wasn't the proximity to London we would be buggered.
Brightons a victim of its own success with on Sunday night past (15th of June) the 3 star umi hotel charging from £492, 3 star best western £450 and the grand £389 for 1 night the hotels are price gouging and ripping people off. surely they should be supplying staff to clean the beach- I wonder if any of them did to the last beach cleanup, anyway on Sunday i decided to go to the beach to see a cess pit of waste and chewing gum spattered pavements and everything is just worn out and needs painting, the traffic on the seafront was horrendous and i've noticed nobody has worked on the repairs at the bottom of west st for weeks and you can see why we are called "Skidrow-by-Sea. If it wasn't the proximity to London we would be buggered. rogerthefish
  • Score: 22

7:28am Wed 18 Jun 14

qm says...

Daytrip:

Parking £350
Budget meal for 2: £55
Daytrip: Parking £350 Budget meal for 2: £55 qm
  • Score: 10

7:30am Wed 18 Jun 14

qm says...

@rogerthefish
Was under the impression we already are . . . . . ?
@rogerthefish Was under the impression we already are . . . . . ? qm
  • Score: 1

7:32am Wed 18 Jun 14

Kate234 says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Brightons a victim of its own success with on Sunday night past (15th of June) the 3 star umi hotel charging from £492, 3 star best western £450 and the grand £389 for 1 night the hotels are price gouging and ripping people off. surely they should be supplying staff to clean the beach- I wonder if any of them did to the last beach cleanup, anyway on Sunday i decided to go to the beach to see a cess pit of waste and chewing gum spattered pavements and
everything is just worn out and needs painting, the traffic on the seafront was horrendous and i've noticed nobody has worked on the repairs at the bottom of west st for weeks and you can see why we are called "Skidrow-by-Sea
.

If it wasn't the proximity to London we would be buggered.
They do provide staff to clean the beach. It is in the form of huge business rates and a tax on wages of the hundreds of staff they create employment for.

This is one of the reasons that in spite of huge immigration into the city we still have low unemployment rates. Congratulations to these businesses for doing well in spite of the councils hostility to helping them by doing everything possible to kill the tourism trade with high parking charges, no tourism investment, and a poorly maintained seafront.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Brightons a victim of its own success with on Sunday night past (15th of June) the 3 star umi hotel charging from £492, 3 star best western £450 and the grand £389 for 1 night the hotels are price gouging and ripping people off. surely they should be supplying staff to clean the beach- I wonder if any of them did to the last beach cleanup, anyway on Sunday i decided to go to the beach to see a cess pit of waste and chewing gum spattered pavements and everything is just worn out and needs painting, the traffic on the seafront was horrendous and i've noticed nobody has worked on the repairs at the bottom of west st for weeks and you can see why we are called "Skidrow-by-Sea . If it wasn't the proximity to London we would be buggered.[/p][/quote]They do provide staff to clean the beach. It is in the form of huge business rates and a tax on wages of the hundreds of staff they create employment for. This is one of the reasons that in spite of huge immigration into the city we still have low unemployment rates. Congratulations to these businesses for doing well in spite of the councils hostility to helping them by doing everything possible to kill the tourism trade with high parking charges, no tourism investment, and a poorly maintained seafront. Kate234
  • Score: 14

7:48am Wed 18 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors.

Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!!
This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors. Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!! HJarrs
  • Score: -9

8:33am Wed 18 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

HJarrs wrote:
This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors.

Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!!
@HJarrs - glad to see you have come to agree with the rest of the population of Brighton & Hove, rather than believing the misinformation spread by the green party spin doctors.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors. Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - glad to see you have come to agree with the rest of the population of Brighton & Hove, rather than believing the misinformation spread by the green party spin doctors. G Wiley
  • Score: 10

8:43am Wed 18 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

'Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, of Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “We have certainly benefitted from the growing popularity of the staycation. '

Is Geoffrey including all the extra travellers that have descended on us - and the more to come as Jason Kitwat now 'wants more suburban spaces to be open to travellers'?

I suppose the only difference is the amount we will have to spend on the travellers instead of any income the travellers generate for the city.

I just get the feeling I am now living in an 'Alice in Wonderland' like dream world where the council is now being run by the 'Mad Hatter'!
'Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, of Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “We have certainly benefitted from the growing popularity of the staycation. ' Is Geoffrey including all the extra travellers that have descended on us - and the more to come as Jason Kitwat now 'wants more suburban spaces to be open to travellers'? I suppose the only difference is the amount we will have to spend on the travellers instead of any income the travellers generate for the city. I just get the feeling I am now living in an 'Alice in Wonderland' like dream world where the council is now being run by the 'Mad Hatter'! G Wiley
  • Score: 13

8:47am Wed 18 Jun 14

john newman says...

Filthy pavements in central Brighton that should be power cleaned each day of the bird mess and other stains!! Other cities do it. Why not us.
Filthy pavements in central Brighton that should be power cleaned each day of the bird mess and other stains!! Other cities do it. Why not us. john newman
  • Score: 20

8:58am Wed 18 Jun 14

Morpheus says...

How lucky we are that none of the 9 more popular places have realised that building an i360 will attract even more tourists. We could be top of the list soon!
How lucky we are that none of the 9 more popular places have realised that building an i360 will attract even more tourists. We could be top of the list soon! Morpheus
  • Score: 6

9:39am Wed 18 Jun 14

Fercri Sakes says...

To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there?

Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion.
To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there? Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -1

11:29am Wed 18 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there?

Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion.
@Fercri Sakes - of course it takes even more skill (i.e. Davey) to (allegedly) decrease car use AND increase congestion AND increase pollution - now that takes REAL genious!

And where does the money from parking go - funding bus lanes, cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones? So if the revenue is reduced but it encourages visitors and business isn't that good for the city? Or is it better for the city to get visitors to go somewhere else?

And please could you come up with a list of what the council has actually done to encourage visitors over the past 3 years? What strategy did the council follow? Did the bin strikes and Lucas sitting in the road protesting help? Did the Level upgrade help? Did 20mph zones help?

And I thought you wanted to encourage locals to not use their cars but instead to use public transport / cycle / walk into the city? Mind you, how many locals actually want to go into the city at the weekend anyway - I know I try to avoid it.

Perhaps if the council could come up with a coherent transport strategy?

How about the council providing visitors coming to the city with well publicised alternatives:

1. How about a proper park and ride facility linked to rail or rapid bus links?
2. How about making more use of the unofficial bus park and rides - the Marina multi-story, ASDA Hollingbury, Sainsbury West Hove, Tesco Shoreham, and of course all the free street parking outside the central 'residents only' zone?

Rather than this council's simplistic view of 'the way to reduce congestion is to limit cars and leave the motorists to sort it out themselves' - how about looking to provide creative alternatives? How about getting some real traffic/transport experts to look at options rather than that bunch of amateurs that current do whatever 'the answer is a bicycle' Davey tells them to do?
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there? Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion.[/p][/quote]@Fercri Sakes - of course it takes even more skill (i.e. Davey) to (allegedly) decrease car use AND increase congestion AND increase pollution - now that takes REAL genious! And where does the money from parking go - funding bus lanes, cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones? So if the revenue is reduced but it encourages visitors and business isn't that good for the city? Or is it better for the city to get visitors to go somewhere else? And please could you come up with a list of what the council has actually done to encourage visitors over the past 3 years? What strategy did the council follow? Did the bin strikes and Lucas sitting in the road protesting help? Did the Level upgrade help? Did 20mph zones help? And I thought you wanted to encourage locals to not use their cars but instead to use public transport / cycle / walk into the city? Mind you, how many locals actually want to go into the city at the weekend anyway - I know I try to avoid it. Perhaps if the council could come up with a coherent transport strategy? How about the council providing visitors coming to the city with well publicised alternatives: 1. How about a proper park and ride facility linked to rail or rapid bus links? 2. How about making more use of the unofficial bus park and rides - the Marina multi-story, ASDA Hollingbury, Sainsbury West Hove, Tesco Shoreham, and of course all the free street parking outside the central 'residents only' zone? Rather than this council's simplistic view of 'the way to reduce congestion is to limit cars and leave the motorists to sort it out themselves' - how about looking to provide creative alternatives? How about getting some real traffic/transport experts to look at options rather than that bunch of amateurs that current do whatever 'the answer is a bicycle' Davey tells them to do? G Wiley
  • Score: 13

11:31am Wed 18 Jun 14

Bennn says...

Brighton was called "Skidrow on Sea" in the 80s mate. We have come a long way from there. Brighton is now one of the most successful cities in the UK, and when I here people or the media talking about Brighton they call it "London-by-sea".
Brighton was called "Skidrow on Sea" in the 80s mate. We have come a long way from there. Brighton is now one of the most successful cities in the UK, and when I here people or the media talking about Brighton they call it "London-by-sea". Bennn
  • Score: 6

11:45am Wed 18 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Bennn wrote:
Brighton was called "Skidrow on Sea" in the 80s mate. We have come a long way from there. Brighton is now one of the most successful cities in the UK, and when I here people or the media talking about Brighton they call it "London-by-sea".
@Benn - I think you'll find Brighton has been known as 'London by the sea' since 1841.

Whether or not we have lost the title 'Skidrow on Sea' is debatable after it was apparently coined by Private Eye due to it's frequent mentions in their 'rotten boroughs'.

Would you care to elaborate on how you define 'Brighton and Hove' (Brighton is just a town) as one of the most successful cities in the UK? Was it that report about it the number of new business start-ups (mainly in Hove and percentage wise many other local towns have done a lot better), or is it the increase in hotel occupancy (that HJarrs said was due to the better weather last year)?
[quote][p][bold]Bennn[/bold] wrote: Brighton was called "Skidrow on Sea" in the 80s mate. We have come a long way from there. Brighton is now one of the most successful cities in the UK, and when I here people or the media talking about Brighton they call it "London-by-sea".[/p][/quote]@Benn - I think you'll find Brighton has been known as 'London by the sea' since 1841. Whether or not we have lost the title 'Skidrow on Sea' is debatable after it was apparently coined by Private Eye due to it's frequent mentions in their 'rotten boroughs'. Would you care to elaborate on how you define 'Brighton and Hove' (Brighton is just a town) as one of the most successful cities in the UK? Was it that report about it the number of new business start-ups (mainly in Hove and percentage wise many other local towns have done a lot better), or is it the increase in hotel occupancy (that HJarrs said was due to the better weather last year)? G Wiley
  • Score: 5

12:28pm Wed 18 Jun 14

davidbrianjones says...

I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative? davidbrianjones
  • Score: 8

12:43pm Wed 18 Jun 14

rolivan says...

davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there.
[quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there. rolivan
  • Score: 4

1:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

ZeeGee..ffs says...

rolivan wrote:
davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there.
I agree.

Tourists don't really see the city's ripped backside during their visits.

Anyone who goes off the tourist trail is in for a rude awakening.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there.[/p][/quote]I agree. Tourists don't really see the city's ripped backside during their visits. Anyone who goes off the tourist trail is in for a rude awakening. ZeeGee..ffs
  • Score: -1

1:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

P.Dant says...

Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here.
Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here. P.Dant
  • Score: 4

2:15pm Wed 18 Jun 14

TonyTony says...

P.Dant wrote:
Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here.
Bit difficult to see Brighton From Weymouth
[quote][p][bold]P.Dant[/bold] wrote: Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here.[/p][/quote]Bit difficult to see Brighton From Weymouth TonyTony
  • Score: -2

5:58pm Wed 18 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down.
[quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

5:59pm Wed 18 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down.
[quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

G Wiley wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there?

Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion.
@Fercri Sakes - of course it takes even more skill (i.e. Davey) to (allegedly) decrease car use AND increase congestion AND increase pollution - now that takes REAL genious!

And where does the money from parking go - funding bus lanes, cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones? So if the revenue is reduced but it encourages visitors and business isn't that good for the city? Or is it better for the city to get visitors to go somewhere else?

And please could you come up with a list of what the council has actually done to encourage visitors over the past 3 years? What strategy did the council follow? Did the bin strikes and Lucas sitting in the road protesting help? Did the Level upgrade help? Did 20mph zones help?

And I thought you wanted to encourage locals to not use their cars but instead to use public transport / cycle / walk into the city? Mind you, how many locals actually want to go into the city at the weekend anyway - I know I try to avoid it.

Perhaps if the council could come up with a coherent transport strategy?

How about the council providing visitors coming to the city with well publicised alternatives:

1. How about a proper park and ride facility linked to rail or rapid bus links?
2. How about making more use of the unofficial bus park and rides - the Marina multi-story, ASDA Hollingbury, Sainsbury West Hove, Tesco Shoreham, and of course all the free street parking outside the central 'residents only' zone?

Rather than this council's simplistic view of 'the way to reduce congestion is to limit cars and leave the motorists to sort it out themselves' - how about looking to provide creative alternatives? How about getting some real traffic/transport experts to look at options rather than that bunch of amateurs that current do whatever 'the answer is a bicycle' Davey tells them to do?
@Pachallis - same shitt, different screen name
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: To improve business for the Sealife Centre do they want us locals to stop driving at the weekends, and subsidise the parking costs around there? Parking issues may be stopping people coming back in their cars but this city literally cannot take any more cars on its roads, unless some genius out there has found a way to increase car use AND reduce congestion.[/p][/quote]@Fercri Sakes - of course it takes even more skill (i.e. Davey) to (allegedly) decrease car use AND increase congestion AND increase pollution - now that takes REAL genious! And where does the money from parking go - funding bus lanes, cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones? So if the revenue is reduced but it encourages visitors and business isn't that good for the city? Or is it better for the city to get visitors to go somewhere else? And please could you come up with a list of what the council has actually done to encourage visitors over the past 3 years? What strategy did the council follow? Did the bin strikes and Lucas sitting in the road protesting help? Did the Level upgrade help? Did 20mph zones help? And I thought you wanted to encourage locals to not use their cars but instead to use public transport / cycle / walk into the city? Mind you, how many locals actually want to go into the city at the weekend anyway - I know I try to avoid it. Perhaps if the council could come up with a coherent transport strategy? How about the council providing visitors coming to the city with well publicised alternatives: 1. How about a proper park and ride facility linked to rail or rapid bus links? 2. How about making more use of the unofficial bus park and rides - the Marina multi-story, ASDA Hollingbury, Sainsbury West Hove, Tesco Shoreham, and of course all the free street parking outside the central 'residents only' zone? Rather than this council's simplistic view of 'the way to reduce congestion is to limit cars and leave the motorists to sort it out themselves' - how about looking to provide creative alternatives? How about getting some real traffic/transport experts to look at options rather than that bunch of amateurs that current do whatever 'the answer is a bicycle' Davey tells them to do?[/p][/quote]@Pachallis - same shitt, different screen name Gribbet
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Wed 18 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Gribbet - sorry - I do not understand? Who is Pachallis? I'm confused by your response? Do you agree or disagree with my comments? By the way - you don't seem to be able to spell.
Gribbet - sorry - I do not understand? Who is Pachallis? I'm confused by your response? Do you agree or disagree with my comments? By the way - you don't seem to be able to spell. G Wiley
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet - sorry - I do not understand? Who is Pachallis? I'm confused by your response? Do you agree or disagree with my comments? By the way - you don't seem to be able to spell.
We both know you're not confused by my comment. Spelling is fine, exactly as intended.

Most of your comments are questions as usual, so can't really agree or disagree with the those. You always say there's a need to bring in independent traffic experts, but unfortunately for you you'd find that any real independent traffic expert would just suggest increasing cycling and public transport infrastructure as we're seeing in all the most forward thinking cities of the world. I don't think you'd welcome the suggestions of 'real traffic/transport experts'.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: Gribbet - sorry - I do not understand? Who is Pachallis? I'm confused by your response? Do you agree or disagree with my comments? By the way - you don't seem to be able to spell.[/p][/quote]We both know you're not confused by my comment. Spelling is fine, exactly as intended. Most of your comments are questions as usual, so can't really agree or disagree with the those. You always say there's a need to bring in independent traffic experts, but unfortunately for you you'd find that any real independent traffic expert would just suggest increasing cycling and public transport infrastructure as we're seeing in all the most forward thinking cities of the world. I don't think you'd welcome the suggestions of 'real traffic/transport experts'. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

7:39am Thu 19 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Okay - I admit it - it is me - I just got fed up with the old handle!

Yes - I ask questions and want to open debate - rather than the greens who know all the answers and just restate 'sound bites' time and time again in the hope the repetition will cause acceptance.

I would love to hear what a 'real traffic expert' would propose. I met a student who is studying for his MSc at Leeds University Institute for Transport Studies at Christmas. He'd wanted to come to Brighton to see how the bus systems work and he had quite a few comments about that. The courses start at BSc go through MSc and up to PhD level.

What is really sad here is that council leaders (esp. Davey with his background in IT) are so arrogantly sure of their facts and views (anti-car pro-bike) that they do not seem willing to accept that someone else might know better and that a fresh, trained view might well be beneficial.

Even worse is that the council seems to implement their policies in isolation and don't think of all the possible side effects, nor ensure proper measurement of 'before and after' to see if it works.

The 20mph 'limits' were a case in point - great idea and I fully support it.

However, in Portslade, it was effectively implemented as a blanket limit but the boundaries were illogical, with poor signage, and no traffic calming introduced (until 2 years when the speed check signs appeared). At the beginning it was made clear that the police would not be enforcing the limits. As such very few vehicles take any notice of the limits and it was doomed from the start and there has not been any real measurement of traffic speeds until the speed check signs were introduced (they apparently also store traffic speeds).

So yes - bring me the experts - anything would be better than this shambles that the idealogical greens have been introducing.

Perhaps people who understand that slowing traffic, causing queues resulting in stop-start traffic actually increases emission levels, which is opposite to what I thought the eco-activist green party want to achieve? No - according to Davey the speed limits are now for 'traffic safety'!

Perhaps people who understand that if you are trying to reduce road traffic, that you need to provide suitable alternatives - such as a properly advertised and functional park-and-ride system.
Okay - I admit it - it is me - I just got fed up with the old handle! Yes - I ask questions and want to open debate - rather than the greens who know all the answers and just restate 'sound bites' time and time again in the hope the repetition will cause acceptance. I would love to hear what a 'real traffic expert' would propose. I met a student who is studying for his MSc at Leeds University Institute for Transport Studies at Christmas. He'd wanted to come to Brighton to see how the bus systems work and he had quite a few comments about that. The courses start at BSc go through MSc and up to PhD level. What is really sad here is that council leaders (esp. Davey with his background in IT) are so arrogantly sure of their facts and views (anti-car pro-bike) that they do not seem willing to accept that someone else might know better and that a fresh, trained view might well be beneficial. Even worse is that the council seems to implement their policies in isolation and don't think of all the possible side effects, nor ensure proper measurement of 'before and after' to see if it works. The 20mph 'limits' were a case in point - great idea and I fully support it. However, in Portslade, it was effectively implemented as a blanket limit but the boundaries were illogical, with poor signage, and no traffic calming introduced (until 2 years when the speed check signs appeared). At the beginning it was made clear that the police would not be enforcing the limits. As such very few vehicles take any notice of the limits and it was doomed from the start and there has not been any real measurement of traffic speeds until the speed check signs were introduced (they apparently also store traffic speeds). So yes - bring me the experts - anything would be better than this shambles that the idealogical greens have been introducing. Perhaps people who understand that slowing traffic, causing queues resulting in stop-start traffic actually increases emission levels, which is opposite to what I thought the eco-activist green party want to achieve? No - according to Davey the speed limits are now for 'traffic safety'! Perhaps people who understand that if you are trying to reduce road traffic, that you need to provide suitable alternatives - such as a properly advertised and functional park-and-ride system. G Wiley
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8:19am Thu 19 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

HJarrs wrote:
davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down.
@HJarrs - to the contrary, as a professional moanerati, I agree it is a fantastic place to visit!

Brighton and Hove as a seaside resort is miles better than most other UK resorts and many of those abroad.

There is loads to see and do, and there are lots of places to eat and drink. It is easy to get to from London (hence the 'London By the Sea') and from Gatwick.

In the area are many exciting places to visit including the South Downs National Park and it is an excellent base to visit many other interesting towns and attractions in the area by bus, rail and car.

However, for those not coming by train, road access needs to be improved (either 'park and ride' or perhaps a 'parkway', and parking charges need to be fair when you are in the city - otherwise, as Max says, visitors will come once, and never again, and in these days of TripAdvisor this will lead to declining visitor numbers.

We also need to get more investment into getting the sea front restored - it looks good in places, but heading along to the Marina is very depressing.

We also need to consider the moanerati, such as myself, to make sure we 'love' the city too - perhaps not insulting us and calling us names - perhaps doing something for residents and trying to get our 'buy in' rather than just imposing your beliefs and policies might actually help?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It's a fantastic place for most of us to live, but unfortunately the Argus comments is home to many miseries who day in, day out talk the city down.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - to the contrary, as a professional moanerati, I agree it is a fantastic place to visit! Brighton and Hove as a seaside resort is miles better than most other UK resorts and many of those abroad. There is loads to see and do, and there are lots of places to eat and drink. It is easy to get to from London (hence the 'London By the Sea') and from Gatwick. In the area are many exciting places to visit including the South Downs National Park and it is an excellent base to visit many other interesting towns and attractions in the area by bus, rail and car. However, for those not coming by train, road access needs to be improved (either 'park and ride' or perhaps a 'parkway', and parking charges need to be fair when you are in the city - otherwise, as Max says, visitors will come once, and never again, and in these days of TripAdvisor this will lead to declining visitor numbers. We also need to get more investment into getting the sea front restored - it looks good in places, but heading along to the Marina is very depressing. We also need to consider the moanerati, such as myself, to make sure we 'love' the city too - perhaps not insulting us and calling us names - perhaps doing something for residents and trying to get our 'buy in' rather than just imposing your beliefs and policies might actually help? G Wiley
  • Score: 0

10:01am Thu 19 Jun 14

gheese77 says...

"However Max Leviston, general manager of the Sea Life Centre, said visitors do not return due to traffic and parking chaos."
This is nothing new, I can remember traffic queued up past the roundabout at bottom of A23 every summer sunday, and this is years ago long before any bus lanes / green council.
It seems to me that some people will always choose to drive, even if it means sitting in a traffic jam for 2 hours, Londoners I suppose are used to this. Why they do it though beats me, especially as we have good rail links to London. The train after all was how victorian visitors would have arrived.
"However Max Leviston, general manager of the Sea Life Centre, said visitors do not return due to traffic and parking chaos." This is nothing new, I can remember traffic queued up past the roundabout at bottom of A23 every summer sunday, and this is years ago long before any bus lanes / green council. It seems to me that some people will always choose to drive, even if it means sitting in a traffic jam for 2 hours, Londoners I suppose are used to this. Why they do it though beats me, especially as we have good rail links to London. The train after all was how victorian visitors would have arrived. gheese77
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10:04am Thu 19 Jun 14

gheese77 says...

P.Dant wrote:
Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here.
I expect they remove comments on travellers stories because many of the comments could be considered racist and the argus could be prosecuted
[quote][p][bold]P.Dant[/bold] wrote: Jason Kitcat wants the travellers to stay in Brighton,but the Argus has disabled comments on that story.Both stories are about people staying in Brighton.The Argus should explain their policy on comments.It`s quite opaque from out here.[/p][/quote]I expect they remove comments on travellers stories because many of the comments could be considered racist and the argus could be prosecuted gheese77
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10:22am Thu 19 Jun 14

her professional says...

ZeeGee..ffs wrote:
rolivan wrote:
davidbrianjones wrote:
I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?
It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there.
I agree.

Tourists don't really see the city's ripped backside during their visits.

Anyone who goes off the tourist trail is in for a rude awakening.
So where is this mysterious tourist trail that avoids all the horrors constantly alluded to by Argus bloggers? The sea fronts filthy, falling to bits and about to be desecrated by the I 360, North Street, the Old Steine and Western Road are no-go areas due to beggars, rubbish, and of course you can't drive up there going at least 30 mph due to bus and cycle lanes and the 20 limit. When you do manage to get into this crumbling ruin parking costs are about £10 a minute, hotels and businesses rip you off and if you're stupid enough to stay too long you will probably catch Green Disease. If you manage to ask directions out of this hell hole from any locals sobbing into their Big Macs, they will tell you not to leave the city centre for fear of being set upon by gangs of marauding travellers, militant cyclists, and a giant statue of H Jarrs blocking the a 23 to everyone except pedestrians and green voters. And don't under any circumstances go anywhere the Level which is now an ideologically driven so called "open space" crawling with greens and students from muesli mountain. You will also be told to avoid the seven dials, re-designed by Marxists, and get this, so that local pedestrians can get from one side to the other to do their shopping and carry on their business.
Obviously after this dismal experience, they never return, as proven by the pathetic visitor numbers to the City.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee..ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: I visited Brighton last year together with five friends from Germany, and everyone absolutely loved the city, A fantastic place for a holiday - why is everyone so negative?[/p][/quote]It is totally different when you just visit a place than to actually live there.[/p][/quote]I agree. Tourists don't really see the city's ripped backside during their visits. Anyone who goes off the tourist trail is in for a rude awakening.[/p][/quote]So where is this mysterious tourist trail that avoids all the horrors constantly alluded to by Argus bloggers? The sea fronts filthy, falling to bits and about to be desecrated by the I 360, North Street, the Old Steine and Western Road are no-go areas due to beggars, rubbish, and of course you can't drive up there going at least 30 mph due to bus and cycle lanes and the 20 limit. When you do manage to get into this crumbling ruin parking costs are about £10 a minute, hotels and businesses rip you off and if you're stupid enough to stay too long you will probably catch Green Disease. If you manage to ask directions out of this hell hole from any locals sobbing into their Big Macs, they will tell you not to leave the city centre for fear of being set upon by gangs of marauding travellers, militant cyclists, and a giant statue of H Jarrs blocking the a 23 to everyone except pedestrians and green voters. And don't under any circumstances go anywhere the Level which is now an ideologically driven so called "open space" crawling with greens and students from muesli mountain. You will also be told to avoid the seven dials, re-designed by Marxists, and get this, so that local pedestrians can get from one side to the other to do their shopping and carry on their business. Obviously after this dismal experience, they never return, as proven by the pathetic visitor numbers to the City. her professional
  • Score: 1

10:44am Fri 20 Jun 14

ThinkBrighton says...

G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors.

Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!!
@HJarrs - glad to see you have come to agree with the rest of the population of Brighton & Hove, rather than believing the misinformation spread by the green party spin doctors.
Now that HJ is not brown nosing kitcat ,lets hope he might see some sense
and reality
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: This article is classic Daily Argus Mail. A good news story desperately spun to be negative. The sealife centre perhaps should lower its extortionate prices if they want more return visitors. Let me help the moanerati...this city is ruined, dying! Ever since those crazy ideological maxist starlinist anti democratic Greens got democratically elected, this city has brought in hundreds of millions in investment, fewer council cuts than anywhere with similar budget cuts, unemployment has fallen ahead of national trends, visitor numbers are up, more people are cycling, using buses and trains, living wage is spreading across the city. It's a disgrace, roll on May 2015!!![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - glad to see you have come to agree with the rest of the population of Brighton & Hove, rather than believing the misinformation spread by the green party spin doctors.[/p][/quote]Now that HJ is not brown nosing kitcat ,lets hope he might see some sense and reality ThinkBrighton
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