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Swastika jibe councillor told to apologise - again

The Argus: Mary Mears with the St Brigid's Cross Mary Mears with the St Brigid's Cross

A COUNCILLOR has been ordered to apologise again after accusing a fellow member of wearing a swastika necklace – but “sincerely” this time.

Green Brighton and Hove City Councillor Ben Duncan will apologise in front of a full meeting of Brighton and Hove City Council on July 17.

The apology will come after he alleged on Twitter that Conservative member Mary Mears was wearing a swastika necklace.

Councillor Mears was actually wearing a St Brigid’s cross, the symbol of St Brigid of Kildare, one of the patron saints of Ireland.

A report to the council’s Audit and Standards Committee, due to be considered at a meeting on Tuesday, said Coun Duncan’s apology at the meeting in March was “not taken as sincere”.

Coun Duncan has said that while he will comply and apologise sincerely, he thinks it is an “overreaction and it’s a waste of council officers’ time”.

He said: “It is a terrible shame that democratically elected councillors are wasting their time having to hear about this before a committee when there are real issues facing the city.”

He said he “never meant to cause anyone offence” and described his Twitter account simply as a “stream of consciousness”.

Coun Duncan tweeted: “Tory councillor Mary Mears appears to be wearing swastika motif on necklace at @BrigtonHoveCC meeting.

“What’s that about? A #masonic thing?”

He went on to tweet: “Gosh it’s easy to wind Tory councillors up here!”

Councillor Mears lodged a formal complaint after the comments were made during a meeting in March.

She said: “It was my suggestion that if he gives a public apology, issues a withdrawal on his Twitter account and a withdrawal in the press the matter can be dropped rather than being dragged through the standards committee.

“I was gobsmacked. It is just so offensive and the most insensitive comment to make.”

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9:09am Thu 19 Jun 14

spa301 says...

Judging by his comments it doesn't seem the latest apology will be truly sincere either.
Judging by his comments it doesn't seem the latest apology will be truly sincere either. spa301
  • Score: 35

9:16am Thu 19 Jun 14

Take it Personally says...

He said: “It is a terrible shame that democratically elected councillors are wasting their time having to hear about this before a committee when there are real issues facing the city.”

-wow, he doesn't get it at all does he? Perhaps he should do the right thing and resign
He said: “It is a terrible shame that democratically elected councillors are wasting their time having to hear about this before a committee when there are real issues facing the city.” -wow, he doesn't get it at all does he? Perhaps he should do the right thing and resign Take it Personally
  • Score: 41

9:17am Thu 19 Jun 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Duncan is right - there no need to make a fuss. The problem is he and his lefty chums are always making a fuss, taking offence, demanding apologies and generally seeking to impose their doctrinaire views via the Council's Stalinist complaints system. The biter bit..
Duncan is right - there no need to make a fuss. The problem is he and his lefty chums are always making a fuss, taking offence, demanding apologies and generally seeking to impose their doctrinaire views via the Council's Stalinist complaints system. The biter bit.. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 20

9:27am Thu 19 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Ben Duncan should engage his brain before Tweeting. Firstly he shouldn't be tweeting in a council meeting - he should be contributing and listening to the meeting - highly unprofessional.

Secondly he might like to be man enough to apologise properly not only to Cllr Mears but also to the people of Hangleton he belittled the same evening in a tweet trivialising our attempts to get CCTV in the area to assist with antisocial behaviour and drug dealing problems. He might even actually decide to be polite enough to respond to my complaint email to him about it and possibly drag his sorry backside to Hangleton for the tour I offered to take him on to show him the issues. Until such time any of these miracles happen I'll assume he's the childish runty scrote he appears to be.
Ben Duncan should engage his brain before Tweeting. Firstly he shouldn't be tweeting in a council meeting - he should be contributing and listening to the meeting - highly unprofessional. Secondly he might like to be man enough to apologise properly not only to Cllr Mears but also to the people of Hangleton he belittled the same evening in a tweet trivialising our attempts to get CCTV in the area to assist with antisocial behaviour and drug dealing problems. He might even actually decide to be polite enough to respond to my complaint email to him about it and possibly drag his sorry backside to Hangleton for the tour I offered to take him on to show him the issues. Until such time any of these miracles happen I'll assume he's the childish runty scrote he appears to be. Fight_Back
  • Score: 51

9:34am Thu 19 Jun 14

Martha Gunn says...

However did this wretched man find a place in public life?

Oh - of course we voted for him.

Let's never make the same mistake again.

Roll on 2015 and let's be rid of Lucas and the whole cabal of them.
However did this wretched man find a place in public life? Oh - of course we voted for him. Let's never make the same mistake again. Roll on 2015 and let's be rid of Lucas and the whole cabal of them. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 48

9:43am Thu 19 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

Nothing to do with this article - except that this is another example of Green sheer stupidity - but seeing as we are not allowed again to comment on travellers stories in the Argus, I see that JKK is proposing that travellers are allowed to pitch up on suburban parks and recreation grounds. But not near him, presumably. I'd love to see them pitch on Hove Park, Queens Park, The Level - all sites where the Greens got a lovely big vote. That would teach em. Why should they just be restricted to sites such as Preston Park, Withdean Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park or Hangleton Bottom? If you can't stand the heat from their bonfires near your house don't let them light them anywhere else.
Nothing to do with this article - except that this is another example of Green sheer stupidity - but seeing as we are not allowed again to comment on travellers stories in the Argus, I see that JKK is proposing that travellers are allowed to pitch up on suburban parks and recreation grounds. But not near him, presumably. I'd love to see them pitch on Hove Park, Queens Park, The Level - all sites where the Greens got a lovely big vote. That would teach em. Why should they just be restricted to sites such as Preston Park, Withdean Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park or Hangleton Bottom? If you can't stand the heat from their bonfires near your house don't let them light them anywhere else. Max Ripple
  • Score: 30

9:44am Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology? Gribbet
  • Score: 6

9:44am Thu 19 Jun 14

Andy R says...

Unfortunately he tends to shoot from the hip without checking his facts. If he thought it was a swastika why didn't he challenge her directly on it rather than take to Twitter? He might then have been able to establish the facts without making himself look a bit silly. So yes he should apologise.
Unfortunately he tends to shoot from the hip without checking his facts. If he thought it was a swastika why didn't he challenge her directly on it rather than take to Twitter? He might then have been able to establish the facts without making himself look a bit silly. So yes he should apologise. Andy R
  • Score: 20

9:59am Thu 19 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Gribbet wrote:
How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't.

I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika.

And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again?

The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us". stevo!!
  • Score: -8

10:00am Thu 19 Jun 14

Scorpio50 says...

What a cretin Ben Duncan is. I seem to remember this fool making the same comment before, again in a meeting, and he apologised. Why make the same stupid mistake again. Sigh........I loathe the Green party.
What a cretin Ben Duncan is. I seem to remember this fool making the same comment before, again in a meeting, and he apologised. Why make the same stupid mistake again. Sigh........I loathe the Green party. Scorpio50
  • Score: 28

10:10am Thu 19 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Ben Duncan also Tweeted that a faith school was a cult. The school was a Christian school. No doubt he wouldn't Tweet similar comments about other faiths but probably would be the first to report any councillor who did.
The man is not fit for public service and does not know how to behave and would probably find it hard to find employment in any sector as his behaviour would not be acceptable in any organisation.
The electorate should check out any names on election papers before putting an X in the box as this chap was a known local armchair anarchist.
He should have the humility to stand down but he probably needs the cash as he is now unemployable.
Ben Duncan also Tweeted that a faith school was a cult. The school was a Christian school. No doubt he wouldn't Tweet similar comments about other faiths but probably would be the first to report any councillor who did. The man is not fit for public service and does not know how to behave and would probably find it hard to find employment in any sector as his behaviour would not be acceptable in any organisation. The electorate should check out any names on election papers before putting an X in the box as this chap was a known local armchair anarchist. He should have the humility to stand down but he probably needs the cash as he is now unemployable. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 28

10:21am Thu 19 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

“I was gobsmacked. It is just so offensive and the most insensitive comment to make.”

..... you should hear what he says about you behind your back petal......

.... you ain't heard nothing yet!!!
“I was gobsmacked. It is just so offensive and the most insensitive comment to make.” ..... you should hear what he says about you behind your back petal...... .... you ain't heard nothing yet!!! Quiterie
  • Score: -5

10:23am Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't.

I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika.

And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again?

The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks. Gribbet
  • Score: -12

10:57am Thu 19 Jun 14

fredflintstone1 says...

If the Green Party had any standards, they'd throw him out. But of course, basically, he's immune to censure.
If the Green Party had any standards, they'd throw him out. But of course, basically, he's immune to censure. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 16

11:02am Thu 19 Jun 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I wonder if Ben Duncan supported the witch hunt against Dawn Barnett for saying golliwogs could be nostalgic.
I wonder if Ben Duncan supported the witch hunt against Dawn Barnett for saying golliwogs could be nostalgic. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 20

11:44am Thu 19 Jun 14

J_Brightonandhove says...

Gribbet wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?!

Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove.

It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out. J_Brightonandhove
  • Score: 16

12:27pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?!

Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove.

It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.
As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions?

I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.
[quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.[/p][/quote]As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press. Gribbet
  • Score: -9

12:52pm Thu 19 Jun 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb
en.com/the-time-a-to
ry-leadership-conten
der-nearly-smacked-m
e-outside-brighton-t
own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 14

1:16pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb

en.com/the-time-a-to

ry-leadership-conten

der-nearly-smacked-m

e-outside-brighton-t

own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Thu 19 Jun 14

brightonian57 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb

en.com/the-time-a-to

ry-leadership-conten

der-nearly-smacked-m

e-outside-brighton-t

own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Its not difficult to find
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Its not difficult to find brightonian57
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Number Six says...

What would happen if he refused?
What would happen if he refused? Number Six
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Thu 19 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb


en.com/the-time-a-to


ry-leadership-conten


der-nearly-smacked-m


e-outside-brighton-t


own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor?

Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group?

Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.[/p][/quote]So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor? Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group? Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change. G Wiley
  • Score: 6

2:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Andy R says...

G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb



en.com/the-time-a-to



ry-leadership-conten



der-nearly-smacked-m



e-outside-brighton-t



own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor?

Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group?

Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.
Huh.....? Based on what Gribbet has written here, how do you arrive at any of the assertions you've made in this post? In a crowded field (Hey! It's Argus Comments), you're looking like a shoe-in for Bizarre Conclusion of the Year.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.[/p][/quote]So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor? Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group? Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.[/p][/quote]Huh.....? Based on what Gribbet has written here, how do you arrive at any of the assertions you've made in this post? In a crowded field (Hey! It's Argus Comments), you're looking like a shoe-in for Bizarre Conclusion of the Year. Andy R
  • Score: -6

2:47pm Thu 19 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Andy R - no - based upon his normal support for the Green Party alongside HJarrs, Eugenius and Fercri Sakes in other articles.

If Gribbet really is really just a normal resident with no affiliations to the green party and no role as an official spokesperson then just let him state it.

He does seem to have, strangely, posted rather a lot today justifying his viewpoint that Ben Duncan and the swastika is not much of an issue for just a typical resident/Argus commenter.
Andy R - no - based upon his normal support for the Green Party alongside HJarrs, Eugenius and Fercri Sakes in other articles. If Gribbet really is really just a normal resident with no affiliations to the green party and no role as an official spokesperson then just let him state it. He does seem to have, strangely, posted rather a lot today justifying his viewpoint that Ben Duncan and the swastika is not much of an issue for just a typical resident/Argus commenter. G Wiley
  • Score: 8

2:56pm Thu 19 Jun 14

TheDrive says...

I thought the Patron Saint of Ireland was Bono.
I thought the Patron Saint of Ireland was Bono. TheDrive
  • Score: 6

3:32pm Thu 19 Jun 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Once a prat, always a prat!
Once a prat, always a prat! ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 5

3:36pm Thu 19 Jun 14

J_Brightonandhove says...

Gribbet wrote:
J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.
As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.
I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.[/p][/quote]As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city! J_Brightonandhove
  • Score: 9

3:37pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Lady Smith says...

Oh, grow up and get over it, both of you! Haven't you got more important things to do - like run the city?!
Oh, grow up and get over it, both of you! Haven't you got more important things to do - like run the city?! Lady Smith
  • Score: -10

4:31pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) says...

At least he is not sh*tting in Council microwaves, unlike a certain Green councillor from the Emerald Isle has in the past
At least he is not sh*tting in Council microwaves, unlike a certain Green councillor from the Emerald Isle has in the past Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
  • Score: 6

5:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb



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Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor?

Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group?

Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.
I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean?
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.[/p][/quote]So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor? Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group? Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.[/p][/quote]I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean? Gribbet
  • Score: -5

5:41pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.
As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.
I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city!
Too much time, if there's going to be a second apology, why can't it just take place by the coffee machine between the two of them rather than during an official meeting?
[quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.[/p][/quote]As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city![/p][/quote]Too much time, if there's going to be a second apology, why can't it just take place by the coffee machine between the two of them rather than during an official meeting? Gribbet
  • Score: -4

7:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

TheDrive wrote:
I thought the Patron Saint of Ireland was Bono.
Only Bono thinks that.


The rest of us know that an Englishman is Ireland's patron saint.
[quote][p][bold]TheDrive[/bold] wrote: I thought the Patron Saint of Ireland was Bono.[/p][/quote]Only Bono thinks that. The rest of us know that an Englishman is Ireland's patron saint. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

spa301 wrote:
Judging by his comments it doesn't seem the latest apology will be truly sincere either.
He is a politician and they practice sincerity in front of a mirror.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Judging by his comments it doesn't seem the latest apology will be truly sincere either.[/p][/quote]He is a politician and they practice sincerity in front of a mirror. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Gribbet wrote:
J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
J_Brightonandhove wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Gribbet wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?
Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".
Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.
What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.
As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.
I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city!
Too much time, if there's going to be a second apology, why can't it just take place by the coffee machine between the two of them rather than during an official meeting?
The people of Hangleton await an apology though - and Ben Duncan won't find us at the coffee machine. It will require him to actually leave Queens Park.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J_Brightonandhove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: How can you 'order' someone to make a 'sincere' apology?[/p][/quote]Simple answer - you can't. I'm not actually sure what he is apologising for - making a poor joke or for believing that it was a swastika. And why has it taken three months for the matter to be brought to a head again? The matter is almost too pathetic for words, and it's based on "look, we really care about allegedly offensive items like swastikas - vote for us".[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think anyone from either side can look good from stringing this out. It was a petty comment that has been met with an even pettier reaction by not letting it die. Stupidity all round. Maybe if this next apology is judged insincere, they can pay to bring in an independent team of body-language experts to judge his sincerity and keep repeating the exercise until he cracks.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in where you think an elected official should be saying that other councillers are affiliated with the Nazi's?! Why is it even acceptable that he's tweeting during a council meeting? The guy should be sacked immediately. This goes beyond a 'petty comment', it's extremely offensive, especially to the Jewish population of Brighton and Hove. It certainly isn't stupidity to embarrass the prat infront of the Council and make sure he learns his lesson. Does it again and the idiot is out.[/p][/quote]As I said, I don't think an elected official should be saying such things, I think it was stupid and petty. What world do you live in where you could interpret my comment to mean that I was endorsing his actions? I also don't think that an elected official should be stringing such a petty matter out like this for so long when there's work to be done? A witty retort to put him in his place and a public display of a sense of humour would be much more apt, but doesn't look like Mary was capable of either. They're both petty timewasters and I wouldn't vote for either of them after the way this has been strung out in the press.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but how much time is an apology really going to take at a meeting? Probably about the same time wasted as the Green Councillers spend tweeting during it so don't give it all that rubbish about 'there are more pressing issues' etc because if there were, they wouldn't be on their phones and instead, trying to sort out the mess they've created in this city![/p][/quote]Too much time, if there's going to be a second apology, why can't it just take place by the coffee machine between the two of them rather than during an official meeting?[/p][/quote]The people of Hangleton await an apology though - and Ben Duncan won't find us at the coffee machine. It will require him to actually leave Queens Park. Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Nothing to do with this article - except that this is another example of Green sheer stupidity - but seeing as we are not allowed again to comment on travellers stories in the Argus, I see that JKK is proposing that travellers are allowed to pitch up on suburban parks and recreation grounds. But not near him, presumably. I'd love to see them pitch on Hove Park, Queens Park, The Level - all sites where the Greens got a lovely big vote. That would teach em. Why should they just be restricted to sites such as Preston Park, Withdean Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park or Hangleton Bottom? If you can't stand the heat from their bonfires near your house don't let them light them anywhere else.
The Greens seem to be deliberately alienating every voting resident, they have alienated the average cra driver with their 300% rise in parking and their obsession with bus and cycle lanes (The Old Shoreham Road lane has approximately 20 cyclists a day using it), they have alienated the law abiding residents with their attempts to open up 'shooting galleries' for drug addicts (Peter James and 9 others are still drawing expenses for sitting on the consultitative body which hasn't yet been disbanded even though it has been found that the galleries would be illegal. They have alienated REAL Greens by illegally chopping down 2 acres of trees in Wild Park (for sheep to graze, not to make more parking space for caravans) They have alienated residents near Preston Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park and Sheepcote Valley and Patcham by allowing travellers to descend on the parks and only evicting them when pressed by the locals. Roll on 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Nothing to do with this article - except that this is another example of Green sheer stupidity - but seeing as we are not allowed again to comment on travellers stories in the Argus, I see that JKK is proposing that travellers are allowed to pitch up on suburban parks and recreation grounds. But not near him, presumably. I'd love to see them pitch on Hove Park, Queens Park, The Level - all sites where the Greens got a lovely big vote. That would teach em. Why should they just be restricted to sites such as Preston Park, Withdean Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park or Hangleton Bottom? If you can't stand the heat from their bonfires near your house don't let them light them anywhere else.[/p][/quote]The Greens seem to be deliberately alienating every voting resident, they have alienated the average cra driver with their 300% rise in parking and their obsession with bus and cycle lanes (The Old Shoreham Road lane has approximately 20 cyclists a day using it), they have alienated the law abiding residents with their attempts to open up 'shooting galleries' for drug addicts (Peter James and 9 others are still drawing expenses for sitting on the consultitative body which hasn't yet been disbanded even though it has been found that the galleries would be illegal. They have alienated REAL Greens by illegally chopping down 2 acres of trees in Wild Park (for sheep to graze, not to make more parking space for caravans) They have alienated residents near Preston Park, Surrenden Field, Wild Park and Sheepcote Valley and Patcham by allowing travellers to descend on the parks and only evicting them when pressed by the locals. Roll on 2015. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 3

12:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

I doubt Duncan considered it "an overreaction and a waste of council officers’ time" to vilify Dawn Barnett in the Golliwog affair, or in pursuing the witch hunt against Christina Summers for being a Christian.

Since any apology he makes now, will be anything but sincere, perhaps he should be sent on some sort of non-compulsory 'mandatory' training course.
I doubt Duncan considered it "an overreaction and a waste of council officers’ time" to vilify Dawn Barnett in the Golliwog affair, or in pursuing the witch hunt against Christina Summers for being a Christian. Since any apology he makes now, will be anything but sincere, perhaps he should be sent on some sort of non-compulsory 'mandatory' training course. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 1

8:32am Fri 20 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Gribbet wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb




en.com/the-time-a-to




ry-leadership-conten




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Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor?

Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group?

Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.
I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean?
So you are not denying that Duncan is a member of the green-left policy making group alongside Mac Cafferty and Alex Phillips?

Have you seen Duncan's twitter feed? Hardly any mention of anything related to the environment and almost everything about extreme-left-wing socialist anti-capitalism, anti-poverty, anti-police, etc.

What a very sad twisted little man he is - totally out of control - but of course there is nocontrol with the greens - they are just a group of activists with a lead convenor - which is why the party is so dangerous and has to go.

And how can I tell are you 'clearly linked' to the greeN party? Only the number of supportive sycophantic posts you make about them and attacking the opposition - just have a look at what you have posted in the past - or you another greeN supporter that suffers from selective amnesia? You even regularly support HJarrs!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.[/p][/quote]So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor? Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group? Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.[/p][/quote]I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean?[/p][/quote]So you are not denying that Duncan is a member of the green-left policy making group alongside Mac Cafferty and Alex Phillips? Have you seen Duncan's twitter feed? Hardly any mention of anything related to the environment and almost everything about extreme-left-wing socialist anti-capitalism, anti-poverty, anti-police, etc. What a very sad twisted little man he is - totally out of control - but of course there is nocontrol with the greens - they are just a group of activists with a lead convenor - which is why the party is so dangerous and has to go. And how can I tell are you 'clearly linked' to the greeN party? Only the number of supportive sycophantic posts you make about them and attacking the opposition - just have a look at what you have posted in the past - or you another greeN supporter that suffers from selective amnesia? You even regularly support HJarrs! G Wiley
  • Score: 0

11:43am Fri 20 Jun 14

Gribbet says...

G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers.

http://www.kemptownb





en.com/the-time-a-to





ry-leadership-conten





der-nearly-smacked-m





e-outside-brighton-t





own-hall/

Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden.

Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?
Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.
So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor?

Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group?

Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.
I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean?
So you are not denying that Duncan is a member of the green-left policy making group alongside Mac Cafferty and Alex Phillips?

Have you seen Duncan's twitter feed? Hardly any mention of anything related to the environment and almost everything about extreme-left-wing socialist anti-capitalism, anti-poverty, anti-police, etc.

What a very sad twisted little man he is - totally out of control - but of course there is nocontrol with the greens - they are just a group of activists with a lead convenor - which is why the party is so dangerous and has to go.

And how can I tell are you 'clearly linked' to the greeN party? Only the number of supportive sycophantic posts you make about them and attacking the opposition - just have a look at what you have posted in the past - or you another greeN supporter that suffers from selective amnesia? You even regularly support HJarrs!
You've gone off on a bit of a tangent there as usual Pachallis and once again you've succeeded in making yourself angry. Back to the theme of the article and the point I've made in all my posts above, stupidity all round, councillors should get back to work and deal with these sort of matters in their own time, not in meetings.

BTW, I vote green, but that's as far as my links to the green party go, apart from that, I don't own a car and I genuinely love Brighton, which is about the long and short of why my views often seem the polar opposite to most of the misery-guts such as yourself who like to cry on here. As for slating the opposition, I'm not the one with amnesia, I can remember beyond the last 3 years how terrible Labour was for our country, which is why I slate them so much, and Warren Morgan is Brighton's most Machiavellian politician (in the worst sense of the term), so don't be surprised in future to see me slate him at any opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: A quick search of his blog reveals he did condemn Dawn Barnett and also called her a racist for speaking out about travellers. http://www.kemptownb en.com/the-time-a-to ry-leadership-conten der-nearly-smacked-m e-outside-brighton-t own-hall/ Anyone know where Ben lives? Perhaps the police can direct the travellers to his back garden. Gribbet, the Dawn Barnett case was strung out for ages, so why not this one?[/p][/quote]Because they have a real job to do for the city and petty squabbling in public isn't what we elect them to do. I feel exactly the same about the Dawn Barnett case - stupid choice of words followed by even more stupid overreaction.[/p][/quote]So Gribbet - are you acting as an official green party spokeperson in declaring that your friend and colleague Ben Duncan only made a 'stupid choice of words' and that you really stand by him as a councillor? Do the 'Brighton and Hove Greens' continue to fully support Ben Duncan on how he represents the party, or is he protected from such censuring as he is part of the controlling eco-activist anti-capitalist green-left group? Sorry for the questions, but as you are clearly closely linked to the green party it would be good for you to give some answers for a change.[/p][/quote]I don't actually know the man personally, so I'm neither a friend or a colleague. Is the point I'm trying to make really this hard for people to grasp? And how exactly did you decide that I'm 'clearly linked' to the Greep Party? What does that mean?[/p][/quote]So you are not denying that Duncan is a member of the green-left policy making group alongside Mac Cafferty and Alex Phillips? Have you seen Duncan's twitter feed? Hardly any mention of anything related to the environment and almost everything about extreme-left-wing socialist anti-capitalism, anti-poverty, anti-police, etc. What a very sad twisted little man he is - totally out of control - but of course there is nocontrol with the greens - they are just a group of activists with a lead convenor - which is why the party is so dangerous and has to go. And how can I tell are you 'clearly linked' to the greeN party? Only the number of supportive sycophantic posts you make about them and attacking the opposition - just have a look at what you have posted in the past - or you another greeN supporter that suffers from selective amnesia? You even regularly support HJarrs![/p][/quote]You've gone off on a bit of a tangent there as usual Pachallis and once again you've succeeded in making yourself angry. Back to the theme of the article and the point I've made in all my posts above, stupidity all round, councillors should get back to work and deal with these sort of matters in their own time, not in meetings. BTW, I vote green, but that's as far as my links to the green party go, apart from that, I don't own a car and I genuinely love Brighton, which is about the long and short of why my views often seem the polar opposite to most of the misery-guts such as yourself who like to cry on here. As for slating the opposition, I'm not the one with amnesia, I can remember beyond the last 3 years how terrible Labour was for our country, which is why I slate them so much, and Warren Morgan is Brighton's most Machiavellian politician (in the worst sense of the term), so don't be surprised in future to see me slate him at any opportunity. Gribbet
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