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Fears about city rough sleeper numbers as tents pitch up on seafront’

The Argus: Homeless people camping on a piece of land on the second tier of Maderia Drive, Brighton Homeless people camping on a piece of land on the second tier of Maderia Drive, Brighton

HOMELESS people have pitched tents on Brighton seafront – fuelling fears more rough sleepers will live in the resort’s beauty spots.

The tents have been erected on Max Miller Walk and passers- by have reported seeing people urinating on the floor and spitting down onto Madeira Drive.

Andy Winter, chief executive of Brighton Housing Trust, fears more homeless people will become visible at the tourist hot spots.

He said: “What we’re seeing here we will see happening more and in more prominent places.

“The situation in Brighton has been bad for a number of years and in the last year it has got much, much worse.”

The last homeless person count, which took place in December 2013, found there were 50 people sleeping rough in the city, but Mr Winter said the trust is currently working with between 140-150 homeless people in Brighton.

He added: “Without the current supported housing projects in Brighton, the number of men and women on the streets would be nearer 300. Changes are needed at a national level to ensure that truly affordable homes are built to meet local need.”

Traders also voiced their fears.

Greg Harman, owner of Madeira Cafe, said: “I’ve never seen anything like that before with tents being pitched up, I think it’s very sad and the council need to look into the situation.”

Residents said they have seen litter and excrement on Max Miller walk.

One trader, who asked not to be named, said: “Not only is it bad for residents and businesses, it’s bad for tourists.

“The area stinks and someone has to do something.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesperson said they are aware of the situation and officers are working with the homeless people with a view to resolving the situation as soon as possible.

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2:16pm Fri 20 Jun 14

kopite_rob says...

Nothing says Welcome to the City of Brighton like an illegal encampment or two.
I've heard rumours Kitcats last mission will be to twin Brighton with Sangatte.
Theres also tents at Black Rock by the pedestrian underpass, on the cliff edge above the Marina, and at the top of the undercliff access road opposite Roedean Golf Course.
Undoubtably as local businesses consider the situation bad for business and unpleasant, to look at, it may be something will be done.

Shame the same can't be done about the Irish travellers running rings round the police and council. Ruined the greens at Roedean Golf course and now camped out at Blackrock in front of the Volks Railway Stn.
No sign of traffic wardens issuing tickets yet though.
Nothing says Welcome to the City of Brighton like an illegal encampment or two. I've heard rumours Kitcats last mission will be to twin Brighton with Sangatte. Theres also tents at Black Rock by the pedestrian underpass, on the cliff edge above the Marina, and at the top of the undercliff access road opposite Roedean Golf Course. Undoubtably as local businesses consider the situation bad for business and unpleasant, to look at, it may be something will be done. Shame the same can't be done about the Irish travellers running rings round the police and council. Ruined the greens at Roedean Golf course and now camped out at Blackrock in front of the Volks Railway Stn. No sign of traffic wardens issuing tickets yet though. kopite_rob
  • Score: 80

2:24pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Bet they move the poor sods quicker than the travellers.
Bet they move the poor sods quicker than the travellers. Fight_Back
  • Score: 58

2:34pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Joshiman says...

Whatever happened to the green converted containers for the homeless.Shipped on a boat by mistake perhaps.
Whatever happened to the green converted containers for the homeless.Shipped on a boat by mistake perhaps. Joshiman
  • Score: 16

2:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Joshiman says...

Maybe we should change the city name to one of the following:
Greengatte
brightongatte
marinagatte
kempgatte
Kitgatte
Maybe we should change the city name to one of the following: Greengatte brightongatte marinagatte kempgatte Kitgatte Joshiman
  • Score: 29

2:38pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Patsyr says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Bet they move the poor sods quicker than the travellers.
Perhaps these are just travellers who haven't been able to get tarmac jobs and have fallen on hard times! Or maybe they are immigrants waiting until they qualify for benefits.

We really didn't need to see evidence of urinating though.

It all looks awful, whatever happened to our once proud city, when it was a town? I think it was back when we had councillors who did the job for expenses, not large salaries. All in the past I suppose and no chance of anything changing.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Bet they move the poor sods quicker than the travellers.[/p][/quote]Perhaps these are just travellers who haven't been able to get tarmac jobs and have fallen on hard times! Or maybe they are immigrants waiting until they qualify for benefits. We really didn't need to see evidence of urinating though. It all looks awful, whatever happened to our once proud city, when it was a town? I think it was back when we had councillors who did the job for expenses, not large salaries. All in the past I suppose and no chance of anything changing. Patsyr
  • Score: 49

3:43pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Worriedofbrighton says...

The greens will tell us this sort of thing is happening everywhere but since we had this useless council our town draws the country's rubbish like fly's round s**t. Bye Kitkat. Still happy about that though.
The greens will tell us this sort of thing is happening everywhere but since we had this useless council our town draws the country's rubbish like fly's round s**t. Bye Kitkat. Still happy about that though. Worriedofbrighton
  • Score: 38

3:45pm Fri 20 Jun 14

leftysmellbags says...

I wonder what nationality they are.
I wonder what nationality they are. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 11

3:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Patsyr says...

leftysmellbags wrote:
I wonder what nationality they are.
I could think of quit a few nationalities that they might be. But we must only say nice things about people here or the Argus will sensor us and shut the message facility down!!
[quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I wonder what nationality they are.[/p][/quote]I could think of quit a few nationalities that they might be. But we must only say nice things about people here or the Argus will sensor us and shut the message facility down!! Patsyr
  • Score: 23

4:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

It's happening across the country...everywhere
. It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures.

Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view.

What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in.

The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts.

But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'.

All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it.

Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...
It's happening across the country...everywhere . It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures. Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view. What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in. The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts. But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'. All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it. Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed... mhaiti
  • Score: 106

4:38pm Fri 20 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

How bad did that guy have to be to be sent to the naughty corner??
How bad did that guy have to be to be sent to the naughty corner?? stevo!!
  • Score: 14

4:39pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Goldenwight says...

Wasn't this Cllr Kitcats last public suggestion- that we open up the city's public spaces to travellers?

And the problem has little to do with benefit changes, but more to do with lack of social housing compounded by changes in housing laws.
Wasn't this Cllr Kitcats last public suggestion- that we open up the city's public spaces to travellers? And the problem has little to do with benefit changes, but more to do with lack of social housing compounded by changes in housing laws. Goldenwight
  • Score: 12

4:40pm Fri 20 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

"Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..."

Who says that these people are 'ours'?

Were they born in Brighton?
"Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..." Who says that these people are 'ours'? Were they born in Brighton? stevo!!
  • Score: 22

4:57pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

mhaiti wrote:
It's happening across the country...everywhere

. It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures.

Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view.

What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in.

The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts.

But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'.

All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it.

Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...
Very well put.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: It's happening across the country...everywhere . It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures. Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view. What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in. The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts. But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'. All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it. Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...[/p][/quote]Very well put. HJarrs
  • Score: -1

5:03pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts.

The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.
What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts. The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city. HJarrs
  • Score: -23

5:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Worriedofbrighton says...

HJarrs wrote:
What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts.

The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.
Why aren't you commenting on your "god" quick crap resigning. Nothing to spin there greeny.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts. The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.[/p][/quote]Why aren't you commenting on your "god" quick crap resigning. Nothing to spin there greeny. Worriedofbrighton
  • Score: 20

5:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

stevo!! wrote:
"Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..."

Who says that these people are 'ours'?

Were they born in Brighton?
And there you go proving my point, where do you draw the line? Like it or not, society is people living in a particular area. I wasn't born in brighton but moved here when I was 6 and have lived here for 28 years, are you saying that I am not to be considered part of the Brighton society?

And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?

I was just pointing out that if we as a country actually brought in a policy of properly taxing the businesses that rinse people of their money that we could afford to support everyone and provide welfare and support to all in need. This is after all what the welfare state was designed for. If this happened then the job creation would go through the roof with the additional funding.

But no, we'll keep blaming everyone else but the political parties that facilitate these companies getting richer whilst 'we' blame everyone but them for our services declining and households getting poorer.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..." Who says that these people are 'ours'? Were they born in Brighton?[/p][/quote]And there you go proving my point, where do you draw the line? Like it or not, society is people living in a particular area. I wasn't born in brighton but moved here when I was 6 and have lived here for 28 years, are you saying that I am not to be considered part of the Brighton society? And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help? I was just pointing out that if we as a country actually brought in a policy of properly taxing the businesses that rinse people of their money that we could afford to support everyone and provide welfare and support to all in need. This is after all what the welfare state was designed for. If this happened then the job creation would go through the roof with the additional funding. But no, we'll keep blaming everyone else but the political parties that facilitate these companies getting richer whilst 'we' blame everyone but them for our services declining and households getting poorer. mhaiti
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Fri 20 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

5:30pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Technophobe says...

“The area stinks and someone has to do something.”

Ha ha - don't blame the homeless for that - that area ALWAYS stinks and it's the 'law abiding' **** artists that B&H encourages that do it, not the homeless.
“The area stinks and someone has to do something.” Ha ha - don't blame the homeless for that - that area ALWAYS stinks and it's the 'law abiding' **** artists that B&H encourages that do it, not the homeless. Technophobe
  • Score: 6

5:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts.

The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.
Why aren't you commenting on your "god" quick crap resigning. Nothing to spin there greeny.
What a silly comment.
[quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts. The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.[/p][/quote]Why aren't you commenting on your "god" quick crap resigning. Nothing to spin there greeny.[/p][/quote]What a silly comment. HJarrs
  • Score: -14

5:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

leftysmellbags says...

HJarrs wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
It's happening across the country...everywhere


. It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures.

Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view.

What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in.

The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts.

But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'.

All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it.

Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...
Very well put.
I don't mind looking after our own, but should we look after others who are not our own - also do you think they would be grateful for this? Open your eyes and look what's happening in the UK. Social breakdown and community isolation and loss of identification. These minorities prey on soft hearted people such as you to get their foot in the door and then claim the land for their own.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: It's happening across the country...everywhere . It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures. Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view. What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in. The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts. But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'. All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it. Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...[/p][/quote]Very well put.[/p][/quote]I don't mind looking after our own, but should we look after others who are not our own - also do you think they would be grateful for this? Open your eyes and look what's happening in the UK. Social breakdown and community isolation and loss of identification. These minorities prey on soft hearted people such as you to get their foot in the door and then claim the land for their own. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 17

5:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

leftysmellbags says...

HJarrs wrote:
mhaiti wrote:
It's happening across the country...everywhere


. It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures.

Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view.

What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in.

The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts.

But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'.

All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it.

Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...
Very well put.
I don't mind looking after our own, but should we look after others who are not our own - also do you think they would be grateful for this? Open your eyes and look what's happening in the UK. Social breakdown and community isolation and loss of identification. These minorities prey on soft hearted people such as you to get their foot in the door and then claim the land for their own.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: It's happening across the country...everywhere . It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures. Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view. What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in. The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts. But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'. All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it. Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...[/p][/quote]Very well put.[/p][/quote]I don't mind looking after our own, but should we look after others who are not our own - also do you think they would be grateful for this? Open your eyes and look what's happening in the UK. Social breakdown and community isolation and loss of identification. These minorities prey on soft hearted people such as you to get their foot in the door and then claim the land for their own. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 14

5:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

5:44pm Fri 20 Jun 14

leftysmellbags says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Maybe if we didnt cater for these foreigners we would have enough spare cash to look after our own properly. If you deney this then you are an Id1ot.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Maybe if we didnt cater for these foreigners we would have enough spare cash to look after our own properly. If you deney this then you are an Id1ot. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 14

5:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

mhaiti says...

stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
"Might" being the operative word, most homeless people that I see in brighton and London tend to have British accents. Obviously can't speak for all of them but I don't think we can just presume they aren't British and therefore not give a toss.

Some people are on the streets due to alcoholism and drug abuse, many others are there for no other fault than circumstance. A lot of homeless people are ex servicemen. Before making assumptions it would be nice if they got a bit of support to get themselves on their feet...
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]"Might" being the operative word, most homeless people that I see in brighton and London tend to have British accents. Obviously can't speak for all of them but I don't think we can just presume they aren't British and therefore not give a toss. Some people are on the streets due to alcoholism and drug abuse, many others are there for no other fault than circumstance. A lot of homeless people are ex servicemen. Before making assumptions it would be nice if they got a bit of support to get themselves on their feet... mhaiti
  • Score: 15

5:50pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Patsyr says...

What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic. Patsyr
  • Score: 42

5:54pm Fri 20 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Will Boris loan the council one of his new toys?
Will Boris loan the council one of his new toys? stevo!!
  • Score: 4

6:06pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Worriedofbrighton says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look . Worriedofbrighton
  • Score: 20

6:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Quote -'Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed…”

What makes these people ‘vulnerable’? We know nothing about their background or their reasons for being there. Maybe for a change the Argus could do some journalism and investigate this and then report it!
Quote -'Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed…” What makes these people ‘vulnerable’? We know nothing about their background or their reasons for being there. Maybe for a change the Argus could do some journalism and investigate this and then report it! RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 9

6:22pm Fri 20 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

Why don't the council do an immediate impact assessment like they do for the people we aren't allowed to mention because of argus censors?
Why don't the council do an immediate impact assessment like they do for the people we aren't allowed to mention because of argus censors? NickBrt
  • Score: 23

6:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

KarenT says...

For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-) KarenT
  • Score: 5

7:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

HJarrs, your party spent millions re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road and then spending money on a party to celebrate the lane despite the lane existing for more than a decade and you have the bare faced cheek to stand up as a protector of the poor. The only difference to the lane is a few new bus stops. Nothing changed.
Then your fellow Green councillor Ian Davey spent council money on a light up bus time table to help the wealthy of Preston Park. Unbelievable. A bloody light up bus time table.
You really take the ****. Your lot have done nothing except feather the nests of your middle class voters and stuffed the poor good and proper. Your Green MP lay down in the road to protect the multi million pound homes in Balcombe from fracking yet fails to turn up in Wild Park to protect our environment from diesel vans. My wife has been using the park to train for charity races and now runs on the pavement because your lot are too lazy to protect green spaces which is a shame when my wife runs for local charities.t
Shut up, you are an absolute bullshitter and your party has left the homeless and the poor to rot.
HJarrs, your party spent millions re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road and then spending money on a party to celebrate the lane despite the lane existing for more than a decade and you have the bare faced cheek to stand up as a protector of the poor. The only difference to the lane is a few new bus stops. Nothing changed. Then your fellow Green councillor Ian Davey spent council money on a light up bus time table to help the wealthy of Preston Park. Unbelievable. A bloody light up bus time table. You really take the ****. Your lot have done nothing except feather the nests of your middle class voters and stuffed the poor good and proper. Your Green MP lay down in the road to protect the multi million pound homes in Balcombe from fracking yet fails to turn up in Wild Park to protect our environment from diesel vans. My wife has been using the park to train for charity races and now runs on the pavement because your lot are too lazy to protect green spaces which is a shame when my wife runs for local charities.t Shut up, you are an absolute bullshitter and your party has left the homeless and the poor to rot. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 45

7:29pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

There are evidently many homeless people in desperate need of help in our city, who would benefit from less cycle lanes, and more direct support from our local authorities.

However, tolerating encampments such as this when there are vagrancy laws and local bye-laws to tackle this sort of thing is just what we have come to expect from the police and and our contemptible council who in recent years have increasingly encouraged trespassing travellers and protest camps to descend on our public spaces.
There are evidently many homeless people in desperate need of help in our city, who would benefit from less cycle lanes, and more direct support from our local authorities. However, tolerating encampments such as this when there are vagrancy laws and local bye-laws to tackle this sort of thing is just what we have come to expect from the police and and our contemptible council who in recent years have increasingly encouraged trespassing travellers and protest camps to descend on our public spaces. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 30

8:17pm Fri 20 Jun 14

MasonStorm says...

Welcome to the ghetto
Welcome to the ghetto MasonStorm
  • Score: 19

8:18pm Fri 20 Jun 14

MasonStorm says...

Can't we use them to build the i360 for free? Perhaps that way we'll get some money back.
Can't we use them to build the i360 for free? Perhaps that way we'll get some money back. MasonStorm
  • Score: 11

8:43pm Fri 20 Jun 14

hubby says...

Patsyr wrote:
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live.
Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain.
Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly.
I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain.
Oh I remember!
You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in.
What a radical idea!
[quote][p][bold]Patsyr[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.[/p][/quote]They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live. Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain. Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly. I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain. Oh I remember! You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in. What a radical idea! hubby
  • Score: 30

8:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

hubby says...

KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Just send them all to the Gas Chambers!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Just send them all to the Gas Chambers! hubby
  • Score: -11

8:50pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
What is a Maxist? Other than showing your age, please explain. If it is believing everyone is equal, does that mean all Christians are Marxists.

The biggest employment sector of the local economy according the the B&H Economic Strategy is Health and Education.
[quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]What is a Maxist? Other than showing your age, please explain. If it is believing everyone is equal, does that mean all Christians are Marxists. The biggest employment sector of the local economy according the the B&H Economic Strategy is Health and Education. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

8:56pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Personally, I have donated to Shelter since the early 90s. We had a lot of homeless then as a result of Tory government policies and they have repeated this now as they heap blame on the poor.

I would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless, though I would far rather see tax dodgers, both individuals and corporations pay their fair share. However, homelessness is not just about the most very basic benefits, it is a complex problem and not building enough homes for 30 years is a part of it.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Personally, I have donated to Shelter since the early 90s. We had a lot of homeless then as a result of Tory government policies and they have repeated this now as they heap blame on the poor. I would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless, though I would far rather see tax dodgers, both individuals and corporations pay their fair share. However, homelessness is not just about the most very basic benefits, it is a complex problem and not building enough homes for 30 years is a part of it. HJarrs
  • Score: 7

8:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
Patsyr wrote:
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live.
Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain.
Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly.
I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain.
Oh I remember!
You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in.
What a radical idea!
What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patsyr[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.[/p][/quote]They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live. Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain. Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly. I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain. Oh I remember! You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in. What a radical idea![/p][/quote]What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government. HJarrs
  • Score: -5

9:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets.
Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial.
You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon.
I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre.
Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets. Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial. You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon. I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre. Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 26

9:13pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Didn't Caroline Lucas in her speech after becoming an MP state 'Brighton welcomes squatters' so why is anyone surprised that these people make a beeline for the City.
Didn't Caroline Lucas in her speech after becoming an MP state 'Brighton welcomes squatters' so why is anyone surprised that these people make a beeline for the City. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 17

9:19pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs, your party spent millions re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road and then spending money on a party to celebrate the lane despite the lane existing for more than a decade and you have the bare faced cheek to stand up as a protector of the poor. The only difference to the lane is a few new bus stops. Nothing changed.
Then your fellow Green councillor Ian Davey spent council money on a light up bus time table to help the wealthy of Preston Park. Unbelievable. A bloody light up bus time table.
You really take the ****. Your lot have done nothing except feather the nests of your middle class voters and stuffed the poor good and proper. Your Green MP lay down in the road to protect the multi million pound homes in Balcombe from fracking yet fails to turn up in Wild Park to protect our environment from diesel vans. My wife has been using the park to train for charity races and now runs on the pavement because your lot are too lazy to protect green spaces which is a shame when my wife runs for local charities.t
Shut up, you are an absolute bullshitter and your party has left the homeless and the poor to rot.
Not with you there moany Max.

As you well know, all the cycle lanes you love and that are proving increasingly popular and will contribute to keeping people healthy for many years, were funded out of parking revenue and grants from government, bus company, even the NHS. None of this money could be legally spent on anything other than transport projects. You know that, but you still keep trotting out the same old rubbish.

The council under the Greens have cut less than anywhere you care to mention that has had similar budget cuts. The council is now far more efficient. You know that too. Following introduction of the bedroom tax, the Greens announced there would be no evictions from council properties due to the arrears resulting and introduced the living wage and continues push the private sector to do so very successfully. Your Labour Party ran to the hills on these issues. So Maxy, who is protecting the vulnerable more than the Greens? Not Labour or Liberals and definately not Conservatives and UKIP. What do you care anyway? The other week you were saying that people should not get benefits full stop! What a hypocrit.

When did CL lay down to protect million pound homes in Balcombe? Only in your imagination. She joined a protest on the premise that we should keep unconventional frackable oil and gas reserves in the ground. You know that, but you couldn't give a monkeys about climate change.

As for travellers. They have been a challenge for years and will continue to be so.

The homeless for you are just a vehicle to vent you politically motivated spite at the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs, your party spent millions re painting a cycle lane on the Lewes Road and then spending money on a party to celebrate the lane despite the lane existing for more than a decade and you have the bare faced cheek to stand up as a protector of the poor. The only difference to the lane is a few new bus stops. Nothing changed. Then your fellow Green councillor Ian Davey spent council money on a light up bus time table to help the wealthy of Preston Park. Unbelievable. A bloody light up bus time table. You really take the ****. Your lot have done nothing except feather the nests of your middle class voters and stuffed the poor good and proper. Your Green MP lay down in the road to protect the multi million pound homes in Balcombe from fracking yet fails to turn up in Wild Park to protect our environment from diesel vans. My wife has been using the park to train for charity races and now runs on the pavement because your lot are too lazy to protect green spaces which is a shame when my wife runs for local charities.t Shut up, you are an absolute bullshitter and your party has left the homeless and the poor to rot.[/p][/quote]Not with you there moany Max. As you well know, all the cycle lanes you love and that are proving increasingly popular and will contribute to keeping people healthy for many years, were funded out of parking revenue and grants from government, bus company, even the NHS. None of this money could be legally spent on anything other than transport projects. You know that, but you still keep trotting out the same old rubbish. The council under the Greens have cut less than anywhere you care to mention that has had similar budget cuts. The council is now far more efficient. You know that too. Following introduction of the bedroom tax, the Greens announced there would be no evictions from council properties due to the arrears resulting and introduced the living wage and continues push the private sector to do so very successfully. Your Labour Party ran to the hills on these issues. So Maxy, who is protecting the vulnerable more than the Greens? Not Labour or Liberals and definately not Conservatives and UKIP. What do you care anyway? The other week you were saying that people should not get benefits full stop! What a hypocrit. When did CL lay down to protect million pound homes in Balcombe? Only in your imagination. She joined a protest on the premise that we should keep unconventional frackable oil and gas reserves in the ground. You know that, but you couldn't give a monkeys about climate change. As for travellers. They have been a challenge for years and will continue to be so. The homeless for you are just a vehicle to vent you politically motivated spite at the Greens. HJarrs
  • Score: -13

9:27pm Fri 20 Jun 14

cynic_the says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets.
Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial.
You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon.
I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre.
Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I wouldn't bother to be honest. Hugh-Jarrs is either a very clever troll, or completely insane. Probably best to just ignore it...

In reference to the 'How we treat the most vulnerable in society....." comment: as with most things, that would put us in about the top 5 countries in the world. Does anyone really think there are hostels, outreach programs, drug rehabilitation centres, social workers etc in India, Brazil, Zimbabwe and so on? Help is available - just how much more are we supposed to do?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets. Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial. You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon. I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre. Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bother to be honest. Hugh-Jarrs is either a very clever troll, or completely insane. Probably best to just ignore it... In reference to the 'How we treat the most vulnerable in society....." comment: as with most things, that would put us in about the top 5 countries in the world. Does anyone really think there are hostels, outreach programs, drug rehabilitation centres, social workers etc in India, Brazil, Zimbabwe and so on? Help is available - just how much more are we supposed to do? cynic_the
  • Score: 17

9:28pm Fri 20 Jun 14

cynic_the says...

cynic_the wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets.
Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial.
You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon.
I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre.
Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I wouldn't bother to be honest. Hugh-Jarrs is either a very clever troll, or completely insane. Probably best to just ignore it...

In reference to the 'How we treat the most vulnerable in society....." comment: as with most things, that would put us in about the top 5 countries in the world. Does anyone really think there are hostels, outreach programs, drug rehabilitation centres, social workers etc in India, Brazil, Zimbabwe and so on? Help is available - just how much more are we supposed to do?
Maxwell - I wasn't referring to your comment btw.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets. Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial. You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon. I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre. Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bother to be honest. Hugh-Jarrs is either a very clever troll, or completely insane. Probably best to just ignore it... In reference to the 'How we treat the most vulnerable in society....." comment: as with most things, that would put us in about the top 5 countries in the world. Does anyone really think there are hostels, outreach programs, drug rehabilitation centres, social workers etc in India, Brazil, Zimbabwe and so on? Help is available - just how much more are we supposed to do?[/p][/quote]Maxwell - I wasn't referring to your comment btw. cynic_the
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Patsyr says...

hubby wrote:
Patsyr wrote:
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live.
Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain.
Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly.
I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain.
Oh I remember!
You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in.
What a radical idea!
Radical and very sensible. Oh how I wish our politicians or one at least would be bold enough to suggest something similar. Trouble all the people with the power get cheap help in their homes and gardens and the children go to private schools, they don't walk along the streets or get public transport. I don't expect they notice what we do really.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patsyr[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.[/p][/quote]They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live. Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain. Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly. I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain. Oh I remember! You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in. What a radical idea![/p][/quote]Radical and very sensible. Oh how I wish our politicians or one at least would be bold enough to suggest something similar. Trouble all the people with the power get cheap help in their homes and gardens and the children go to private schools, they don't walk along the streets or get public transport. I don't expect they notice what we do really. Patsyr
  • Score: 8

10:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets.
Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial.
You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon.
I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre.
Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Oooooh! You are bitter Maxwell. Oh, and wrong as usual. Is the decay bit the rising employment, the Greater Brighton Deal that will bring better paid jobs, the well north of 1000 homes being built or in the pipeline? I am afraid people that vote Green come from all walks of life. But keep trying.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Rubbish H Jarrs, the homeless crisis in this city has got worse due to the global recession yet your lot are still spending money on vanity projects such as a cycle lane for uni students who don't pay council tax. The bloody lane was there and didn't need work. You couldn't help but grab a PR photoshoot when all we wanted was the city's poor to be the priority but you did nothing but pay off your student non tax paying voters, horrible and grubby politics. You were even giving away free kit to them using my council tax. Middle class students who pay out £200 for a festival ticket getting more handouts when we have poor people on huge streets. Then Ian Davey popped up at a photoshoot to celebrate the light up bus stop for his voters while at the same time you tore up the old folks bowling green on the seafront and then fenced off the decaying seafront arches. While most of us saw the boarded up seafront pubs and shops and the derelict terrace shops opposite the pier with the homeless living there. you were positing about how marvellous the city was doing and how great the seafront was. You clearly don't live here or you have serious mental health issues as only a delusional person would live in such denial. You are a champagne socialist who has supported a party which has feathered the nests of the time rich middle classes while watching the city fall into decay and the homeless figures balloon. I have found the Green Party more distasteful than the Tories. I stupidly thought you were socialists but how wrong I was. Horrible posh people from Queens Park and Prston Park who walk over the homeless as they visit the theatre. Disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.[/p][/quote]Oooooh! You are bitter Maxwell. Oh, and wrong as usual. Is the decay bit the rising employment, the Greater Brighton Deal that will bring better paid jobs, the well north of 1000 homes being built or in the pipeline? I am afraid people that vote Green come from all walks of life. But keep trying. HJarrs
  • Score: -13

10:24pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If Caroline cared about the environment she would walk into Wild Park and show the same steely determination that she did over fracking and take a stand about diesel vans and quad bikes sitting on our parks week after week.
Instead she writes a letter to the Argus letters page distancing herself from this council's poor performance managing the issue. Those naughty travellers and it's not my fault the council haven't managed the issue.
She can drive to Balcombe and get arrested for residents not in her constituency and all we get is a simpering letter to the paper. No action. Not a peep. However, she was quite happy to turn up to Wild Park for the party tax payers paid for to celebrate the opening of the cycle lane which had existed for more than a decade. Photo opportunity.
You are a very strange lot HJarrs. Very strange.
If Caroline cared about the environment she would walk into Wild Park and show the same steely determination that she did over fracking and take a stand about diesel vans and quad bikes sitting on our parks week after week. Instead she writes a letter to the Argus letters page distancing herself from this council's poor performance managing the issue. Those naughty travellers and it's not my fault the council haven't managed the issue. She can drive to Balcombe and get arrested for residents not in her constituency and all we get is a simpering letter to the paper. No action. Not a peep. However, she was quite happy to turn up to Wild Park for the party tax payers paid for to celebrate the opening of the cycle lane which had existed for more than a decade. Photo opportunity. You are a very strange lot HJarrs. Very strange. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 21

10:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

KarenT says...

hubby wrote:
KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Just send them all to the Gas Chambers!
Can we send you the bill?
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Just send them all to the Gas Chambers![/p][/quote]Can we send you the bill? KarenT
  • Score: -6

10:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

KarenT says...

HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Personally, I have donated to Shelter since the early 90s. We had a lot of homeless then as a result of Tory government policies and they have repeated this now as they heap blame on the poor.

I would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless, though I would far rather see tax dodgers, both individuals and corporations pay their fair share. However, homelessness is not just about the most very basic benefits, it is a complex problem and not building enough homes for 30 years is a part of it.
So have you been down to Madeira Drive yet?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Personally, I have donated to Shelter since the early 90s. We had a lot of homeless then as a result of Tory government policies and they have repeated this now as they heap blame on the poor. I would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless, though I would far rather see tax dodgers, both individuals and corporations pay their fair share. However, homelessness is not just about the most very basic benefits, it is a complex problem and not building enough homes for 30 years is a part of it.[/p][/quote]So have you been down to Madeira Drive yet? KarenT
  • Score: 7

10:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

KarenT says...

Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"...

Not that he likes to brag or anything...

I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here.

I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it...
Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"... Not that he likes to brag or anything... I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here. I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it... KarenT
  • Score: 9

6:51am Sat 21 Jun 14

Wide Bertha says...

Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
[quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions Wide Bertha
  • Score: -6

8:08am Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Didn't Caroline Lucas in her speech after becoming an MP state 'Brighton welcomes squatters' so why is anyone surprised that these people make a beeline for the City.
Only in your head did CL say that.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: Didn't Caroline Lucas in her speech after becoming an MP state 'Brighton welcomes squatters' so why is anyone surprised that these people make a beeline for the City.[/p][/quote]Only in your head did CL say that. HJarrs
  • Score: -12

8:16am Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

KarenT wrote:
Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"...

Not that he likes to brag or anything...

I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here.

I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it...
Oh I see! You are playing games.

You make a comment about people putting additional money towards homelessness and when someone does (inconveniently) it is bragging. It is sad that you make such childish comments about such a serious subject.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"... Not that he likes to brag or anything... I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here. I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it...[/p][/quote]Oh I see! You are playing games. You make a comment about people putting additional money towards homelessness and when someone does (inconveniently) it is bragging. It is sad that you make such childish comments about such a serious subject. HJarrs
  • Score: -10

8:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights.
I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

9:20am Sat 21 Jun 14

shining star says...

On the subject of Tents being put up on the beach for the homeless to gain shelter. I have recently noticed, while walking along Brighton seafront regularly,the amount of sections of the beaches being fenced off by bar's and cafe's in order to put their tables and chairs on. I may be misguided, but I always thought the beaches were public land ? Who owns the beaches? Is this land that Brighton and Hove own, if so, do they sell large chunks of the beach or lease it out, also where does the money go ? If our council tax pays for these areas to be cleaned and maintained,then I for one would like a refund. I would rather have an unfortunate homeless person pitch up a tent temporarily, than paving stones put down covering our beaches and fences being put up round them. One particular venue just West of the pier, has taken a very large chunk of the beach and it looks very permanent to me. I don't see much evidence of this 'much attracted money from tourism' around Brighton.
On the subject of Tents being put up on the beach for the homeless to gain shelter. I have recently noticed, while walking along Brighton seafront regularly,the amount of sections of the beaches being fenced off by bar's and cafe's in order to put their tables and chairs on. I may be misguided, but I always thought the beaches were public land ? Who owns the beaches? Is this land that Brighton and Hove own, if so, do they sell large chunks of the beach or lease it out, also where does the money go ? If our council tax pays for these areas to be cleaned and maintained,then I for one would like a refund. I would rather have an unfortunate homeless person pitch up a tent temporarily, than paving stones put down covering our beaches and fences being put up round them. One particular venue just West of the pier, has taken a very large chunk of the beach and it looks very permanent to me. I don't see much evidence of this 'much attracted money from tourism' around Brighton. shining star
  • Score: 8

9:43am Sat 21 Jun 14

MzEden1 says...

Some of these comments are disgusting.
Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS!
I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable.
Some of these comments are disgusting. Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS! I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable. MzEden1
  • Score: -3

9:49am Sat 21 Jun 14

Morpheus says...

Joshiman wrote:
Maybe we should change the city name to one of the following:
Greengatte
brightongatte
marinagatte
kempgatte
Kitgatte
Or even: Merdegatte
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Maybe we should change the city name to one of the following: Greengatte brightongatte marinagatte kempgatte Kitgatte[/p][/quote]Or even: Merdegatte Morpheus
  • Score: 2

9:52am Sat 21 Jun 14

Morpheus says...

mhaiti wrote:
It's happening across the country...everywhere

. It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures.

Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view.

What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in.

The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts.

But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'.

All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it.

Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...
Rubbish. It is socialist policies over the last 100 years that have created a country that sits back and expects the government to provide. Now you can see the results.
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: It's happening across the country...everywhere . It's the effect of various little bits of chipping away at the support network from central government austerity measures. Lack of council properties, bedroom tax, changes to benefits system, funding for mental health reduced, funding for hostels and homeless initiatives reduced. The fact that a city of over a quarter of a million people has only 140-150 homeless people is remarkably low in my view. What does their nationality have to do with it? There were homeless people before Ukip turned up and turned everyone against eachother and the so called flood gates opened and let "half of Europe" in. The issue is that there is no support for the most vulnerable in our society yet at the same time, Nike pay £48k in Uk Corporation tax last year and Starbuck's get to pick what they pay. If the government held big business to task and made them pay what they actually owe we could eradicate homelessness, build hundreds of schools, train and pay 1000s of nurses and police officers and reduce local government cuts. But that's not what they're doing, instead they'll do everything in their power to turn us all against eachother, blaming the EU, striking teachers, christians, muslims, benefit claimants, gipsies, bankers, unions and any other categoration of people that can divide us and keep us occupied with hating our neighbours and anyone not in our particular 'group'. All the while they carry on, bending over backwards and asset stripping our beautiful country and selling anything to the highest bidder (their mates). The saddest thing is that they're getting away with it. Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed...[/p][/quote]Rubbish. It is socialist policies over the last 100 years that have created a country that sits back and expects the government to provide. Now you can see the results. Morpheus
  • Score: 3

10:55am Sat 21 Jun 14

hubby says...

HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
Patsyr wrote:
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live.
Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain.
Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly.
I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain.
Oh I remember!
You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in.
What a radical idea!
What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government.
It all gets claimed back from the British government and their pensions are paid from the UK.
A bare minimum of research would have told you that.
My 83 year old mother in law lives with us and she has had fantastic treatment from the Spanish health service.
All paid for by her years of contributions in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patsyr[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.[/p][/quote]They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live. Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain. Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly. I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain. Oh I remember! You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in. What a radical idea![/p][/quote]What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government.[/p][/quote]It all gets claimed back from the British government and their pensions are paid from the UK. A bare minimum of research would have told you that. My 83 year old mother in law lives with us and she has had fantastic treatment from the Spanish health service. All paid for by her years of contributions in the UK. hubby
  • Score: 8

11:00am Sat 21 Jun 14

hubby says...

KarenT wrote:
hubby wrote:
KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Just send them all to the Gas Chambers!
Can we send you the bill?
I didn´t really mean it!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Just send them all to the Gas Chambers![/p][/quote]Can we send you the bill?[/p][/quote]I didn´t really mean it! hubby
  • Score: -1

11:30am Sat 21 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

MzEden1 wrote:
Some of these comments are disgusting.
Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS!
I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable.
So it's OK for you to be offensive but not OK for anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]MzEden1[/bold] wrote: Some of these comments are disgusting. Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS! I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable.[/p][/quote]So it's OK for you to be offensive but not OK for anyone else. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

12:09pm Sat 21 Jun 14

jackthekipper says...

there is a shanty town on the levels near the tidemills in newhaven ,there were about 100 immigrants living there last timei was out there 2 months ago.
there is a shanty town on the levels near the tidemills in newhaven ,there were about 100 immigrants living there last timei was out there 2 months ago. jackthekipper
  • Score: 5

3:10pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

hubby wrote:
KarenT wrote:
hubby wrote:
KarenT wrote:
For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)
Just send them all to the Gas Chambers!
Can we send you the bill?
I didn´t really mean it!
Really???? So you were joking??? Wow, I really thought you meant it. :-/
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: For all those complaining about how the government has let these people down, why don't you all go down to Madeira Drive and invite one home to stay with you, just until they 'get on their feet'. Or make a contribution to B&H Council, over and above what you're paying already for council tax. Or, donate it straight to Sussex housing trusts, so you know it's not going to be spent on more cycle lanes. Or, donate money to all these various homeless charities that say they just don't have the funds to meet demand. Put your money where your mouth is? No, didn't think so. Just keep carping on here instead, and help no one. At least you get to pretend your really compassionate and society-minded. ;-)[/p][/quote]Just send them all to the Gas Chambers![/p][/quote]Can we send you the bill?[/p][/quote]I didn´t really mean it![/p][/quote]Really???? So you were joking??? Wow, I really thought you meant it. :-/ KarenT
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

MzEden1 wrote:
Some of these comments are disgusting.
Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS!
I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable.
You don't know for sure. They might be from another planet.
[quote][p][bold]MzEden1[/bold] wrote: Some of these comments are disgusting. Can I remind you that these are HUMAN BEINGS! I won't say fellow human beings as,with some of the posters, that is debatable.[/p][/quote]You don't know for sure. They might be from another planet. KarenT
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"...

Not that he likes to brag or anything...

I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here.

I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it...
Oh I see! You are playing games.

You make a comment about people putting additional money towards homelessness and when someone does (inconveniently) it is bragging. It is sad that you make such childish comments about such a serious subject.
Are you a politician? Cuz you are always honing in on one point and ignoring all the rest... I'd like to see you with Jeremy Paxman for about 10 minutes... Or any Green party member.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Personally H Jarrs has "donated to Shelter since the early 90's and would be willing to pay more tax to aid the homeless"... Not that he likes to brag or anything... I ask again, so why not make additional voluntary contributions to B&H Council, or the Sussex housing trusts? Why not build a nice mini-bungalow in your back garden? What did you say once??? "I will if everyone else does first..." You just keep waiting for 'everyone else to do it first' then, and in the meantime you can keep posting your sanctimonious comments here. I call for his canonization. "St Jarrs". It's kind of got a nice ring to it...[/p][/quote]Oh I see! You are playing games. You make a comment about people putting additional money towards homelessness and when someone does (inconveniently) it is bragging. It is sad that you make such childish comments about such a serious subject.[/p][/quote]Are you a politician? Cuz you are always honing in on one point and ignoring all the rest... I'd like to see you with Jeremy Paxman for about 10 minutes... Or any Green party member. KarenT
  • Score: 3

4:03pm Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
Patsyr wrote:
What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building.

France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.
They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live.
Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain.
Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly.
I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain.
Oh I remember!
You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in.
What a radical idea!
What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government.
It all gets claimed back from the British government and their pensions are paid from the UK.
A bare minimum of research would have told you that.
My 83 year old mother in law lives with us and she has had fantastic treatment from the Spanish health service.
All paid for by her years of contributions in the UK.
Ah! So we have a reciprocal arrangement. Many of these foreigners in the UK may just have the same thing!

By the way, your post reads as though you live in Spain, is this correct?
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Patsyr[/bold] wrote: What is wrong with blaming "foreigners?" There are large numbers of immigrants arriving to our very small island with limited resources. We do not have unlimited areas of land spare for house building. France which is about six times the size of our country does not want the immigrants, why should we be expected to welcome everyone from everywhere? It doesn't make us racist, just practical and realistic.[/p][/quote]They don´t come in droves to Spain,where the climate is much better and it is cheaper to live. Yes they pass through on their way to France and eventually Britain. Of course the Spanish authorities move them along swiftly. I wonder why they don´t stay in Spain. Oh I remember! You only get Social Security in Spain if you have paid into the system,and you can only take out what you have put in. What a radical idea![/p][/quote]What are you on about? Millions of jobless immigrants have invaded Spain, soaking the health services there. They are called British pensioners. Never paid a penny in tax to the Spanish government.[/p][/quote]It all gets claimed back from the British government and their pensions are paid from the UK. A bare minimum of research would have told you that. My 83 year old mother in law lives with us and she has had fantastic treatment from the Spanish health service. All paid for by her years of contributions in the UK.[/p][/quote]Ah! So we have a reciprocal arrangement. Many of these foreigners in the UK may just have the same thing! By the way, your post reads as though you live in Spain, is this correct? HJarrs
  • Score: -5

5:38pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

stevo!! wrote:
"Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..."

Who says that these people are 'ours'?

Were they born in Brighton?
Unfortunately inaction by both central and local Government has ensured that nowadays the 'most vulnerable' are the hard working, taxpaying local resident who have to endure travellers, street beggars, squatters and street drinkers.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..." Who says that these people are 'ours'? Were they born in Brighton?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately inaction by both central and local Government has ensured that nowadays the 'most vulnerable' are the hard working, taxpaying local resident who have to endure travellers, street beggars, squatters and street drinkers. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 6

5:43pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

HJarrs wrote:
I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights.
I bet you don't support it to the extent that you'd offer any of these people a bed for the night.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights.[/p][/quote]I bet you don't support it to the extent that you'd offer any of these people a bed for the night. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

Yeah they're so 'vulnerable'. I'm sure some are, especially those with mental health issues. But I'm the one that actually feels vulnerable when I pass a mob of them in the street. My dog has been attacked three times by their dogs (we're talking timid little Chihuahua who walks around with his tail between his legs most of the time)... Whenever I say anything I'm told to EFF OFF. Had three of them on the corner near where I live the other day, swearing and yelling at people as they passed, one passing guy had the temerity to challenge them and he got punched and the police came, by which point they'd all trundled off down the street, Special Brew tins in hand. Passed one yesterday, and when he asked if I had any spare change I said no, and he started swearing and calling me names. It's no fun, being on the receiving end. It's little wonder that so many people end up having little sympathy when they feel so intimidated all the time.
Yeah they're so 'vulnerable'. I'm sure some are, especially those with mental health issues. But I'm the one that actually feels vulnerable when I pass a mob of them in the street. My dog has been attacked three times by their dogs (we're talking timid little Chihuahua who walks around with his tail between his legs most of the time)... Whenever I say anything I'm told to EFF OFF. Had three of them on the corner near where I live the other day, swearing and yelling at people as they passed, one passing guy had the temerity to challenge them and he got punched and the police came, by which point they'd all trundled off down the street, Special Brew tins in hand. Passed one yesterday, and when he asked if I had any spare change I said no, and he started swearing and calling me names. It's no fun, being on the receiving end. It's little wonder that so many people end up having little sympathy when they feel so intimidated all the time. KarenT
  • Score: 13

6:11pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

Forgot to mention, I have a friend who has a stall selling arts and crafts just below Madeira Drive on the seafront. He says he's stopped paying his rent to the council because every day they're coming into his shop, nicking stuff, peeing and pooing outside his shop after closing, and when they come in asking for a toilet (and he doesn't have one, has to use the public loos on the promenade), or asking for a cup of tea or money or just want to hang out in the shop, as soon as he refuses or asks them to leave they go ballistic and start breaking things. The council do nothing, by the time the police come (and it's usually one of those community support officers), they've gone and nothing is done. Next day, same again. And the business rates, in addition to the rent, that he has to pay to the council, are extortionate!
Forgot to mention, I have a friend who has a stall selling arts and crafts just below Madeira Drive on the seafront. He says he's stopped paying his rent to the council because every day they're coming into his shop, nicking stuff, peeing and pooing outside his shop after closing, and when they come in asking for a toilet (and he doesn't have one, has to use the public loos on the promenade), or asking for a cup of tea or money or just want to hang out in the shop, as soon as he refuses or asks them to leave they go ballistic and start breaking things. The council do nothing, by the time the police come (and it's usually one of those community support officers), they've gone and nothing is done. Next day, same again. And the business rates, in addition to the rent, that he has to pay to the council, are extortionate! KarenT
  • Score: 10

6:28pm Sat 21 Jun 14

daniio90 says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH. daniio90
  • Score: 6

6:46pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

daniio90 wrote:
Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.
[quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH.[/p][/quote]British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks. KarenT
  • Score: 7

7:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

KarenT wrote:
daniio90 wrote:
Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.
So what you going to do about them then?
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH.[/p][/quote]British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.[/p][/quote]So what you going to do about them then? HJarrs
  • Score: -4

7:24pm Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights.
I bet you don't support it to the extent that you'd offer any of these people a bed for the night.
What a dumb comment. Happy to vote out the idiots that have lead us to this situation. Are you?
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I for one support article 25 of the UN bill of rights.[/p][/quote]I bet you don't support it to the extent that you'd offer any of these people a bed for the night.[/p][/quote]What a dumb comment. Happy to vote out the idiots that have lead us to this situation. Are you? HJarrs
  • Score: -3

7:36pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
daniio90 wrote:
Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.
So what you going to do about them then?
Move, in the new year.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH.[/p][/quote]British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.[/p][/quote]So what you going to do about them then?[/p][/quote]Move, in the new year. KarenT
  • Score: 6

8:26pm Sat 21 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

KarenT wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
daniio90 wrote:
Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.
So what you going to do about them then?
Move, in the new year.
Hoorah!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH.[/p][/quote]British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.[/p][/quote]So what you going to do about them then?[/p][/quote]Move, in the new year.[/p][/quote]Hoorah! HJarrs
  • Score: -7

8:31pm Sat 21 Jun 14

hubby says...

I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton.
It was the best thing I ever did.
I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now.
I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton. It was the best thing I ever did. I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now. hubby
  • Score: 6

8:32pm Sat 21 Jun 14

KarenT says...

HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
KarenT wrote:
daniio90 wrote:
Wide Bertha wrote:
Worriedofbrighton wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?"

The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people.

Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.
I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.
Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .
however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions
THEY LOOK BRITISH.
British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.
So what you going to do about them then?
Move, in the new year.
Hoorah!
I knew that was coming. With challenged brain cells usually comes terribly predictable retorts. I handed it to you - it was a little gift, just for you. Anyway I shall leave you to worry about the ever-growing anti-social community and I will be elsewhere, and we'll both be happy. Keep donating to Shelter - I'm sure that'll sort it! If not it will at least make you feel like an upstanding and caring member of the community. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniio90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "And if a brightonian fell on hard times in Cardiff (for example) would they not be entitled to some help?" The point I was making that these might not be 'our' people. Further, it's a fact that some homeless people head for warmer climes during summer.[/p][/quote]I think what Steveo!! Is saying is rather than actually do anything about the complex reasons behind homelessness, including changes to macroeconomic policies on housing, mental health services etc etc, we should instead just blame foreigners and hope it all goes away.[/p][/quote]Wake up just look at the picture there obviously east European, camping out because the weathers nice, knowing they won't get moved on because of our Marxist (everyone should be equal) council and terrified police, when it gets dark. Probably going to spin a few drunks coming out of the clubs tonight, knowing full well that if it does come on top they have the hospital just up the road. Our biggest source of revenue as a town is tourism, how does this look .[/p][/quote]however it looks, it still doesn't look as bad as your stupid xenophobic opinions[/p][/quote]THEY LOOK BRITISH.[/p][/quote]British or Eastern European or Martian, who cares. It still sucks.[/p][/quote]So what you going to do about them then?[/p][/quote]Move, in the new year.[/p][/quote]Hoorah![/p][/quote]I knew that was coming. With challenged brain cells usually comes terribly predictable retorts. I handed it to you - it was a little gift, just for you. Anyway I shall leave you to worry about the ever-growing anti-social community and I will be elsewhere, and we'll both be happy. Keep donating to Shelter - I'm sure that'll sort it! If not it will at least make you feel like an upstanding and caring member of the community. ;-) KarenT
  • Score: 7

9:24pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Patsyr says...

jackthekipper wrote:
there is a shanty town on the levels near the tidemills in newhaven ,there were about 100 immigrants living there last timei was out there 2 months ago.
Are they trying to smuggle themselves into France? No? What a shame!
[quote][p][bold]jackthekipper[/bold] wrote: there is a shanty town on the levels near the tidemills in newhaven ,there were about 100 immigrants living there last timei was out there 2 months ago.[/p][/quote]Are they trying to smuggle themselves into France? No? What a shame! Patsyr
  • Score: 5

12:45am Sun 22 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton.
It was the best thing I ever did.
I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now.
So you don't see a certain irony being an immigrant posting comments about immigrants in a city in a country you haven't lived for 11 years.

I hope you speak fluent Spanish.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton. It was the best thing I ever did. I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now.[/p][/quote]So you don't see a certain irony being an immigrant posting comments about immigrants in a city in a country you haven't lived for 11 years. I hope you speak fluent Spanish. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

2:40pm Sun 22 Jun 14

gheese77 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..."

Who says that these people are 'ours'?

Were they born in Brighton?
Unfortunately inaction by both central and local Government has ensured that nowadays the 'most vulnerable' are the hard working, taxpaying local resident who have to endure travellers, street beggars, squatters and street drinkers.
We have always had lots more homeless people turn up in Brighton in the summer. I remember it was pretty bad in the early 90's.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "Society should be judged on how they treat their most vulnerable, if that's the case then ours is screwed..." Who says that these people are 'ours'? Were they born in Brighton?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately inaction by both central and local Government has ensured that nowadays the 'most vulnerable' are the hard working, taxpaying local resident who have to endure travellers, street beggars, squatters and street drinkers.[/p][/quote]We have always had lots more homeless people turn up in Brighton in the summer. I remember it was pretty bad in the early 90's. gheese77
  • Score: -1

12:00am Mon 23 Jun 14

hubby says...

HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton.
It was the best thing I ever did.
I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now.
So you don't see a certain irony being an immigrant posting comments about immigrants in a city in a country you haven't lived for 11 years.

I hope you speak fluent Spanish.
Si.Yo hablo Español mas o menos perfectamente.
Creo que es muy importante cuando yo vivo en un pais differente.
No estaba facil pero porque yo tengo modales y no quiero insultar la gente donde vivo. He aprendido la lengua.

My reading and writing isn´t fantastic,but I have tried really hard to learn the language and culture of my adoptive country.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: I moved out eleven years ago having lived all of my life in Brighton. It was the best thing I ever did. I saw the storm coming and my life is vastly better now.[/p][/quote]So you don't see a certain irony being an immigrant posting comments about immigrants in a city in a country you haven't lived for 11 years. I hope you speak fluent Spanish.[/p][/quote]Si.Yo hablo Español mas o menos perfectamente. Creo que es muy importante cuando yo vivo en un pais differente. No estaba facil pero porque yo tengo modales y no quiero insultar la gente donde vivo. He aprendido la lengua. My reading and writing isn´t fantastic,but I have tried really hard to learn the language and culture of my adoptive country. hubby
  • Score: 11

11:41am Mon 23 Jun 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Max Miller Walk, aka, Skid Row, what is this town becoming, when it cannot or will not help the homeless, and allows them to set up camp in the centre of tourist Brighton.
Another thing to thank the greens for.
Max Miller Walk, aka, Skid Row, what is this town becoming, when it cannot or will not help the homeless, and allows them to set up camp in the centre of tourist Brighton. Another thing to thank the greens for. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Skidrow says...

Leave me out of this!
Leave me out of this! Skidrow
  • Score: 1

6:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

KarenT says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Max Miller Walk, aka, Skid Row, what is this town becoming, when it cannot or will not help the homeless, and allows them to set up camp in the centre of tourist Brighton.
Another thing to thank the greens for.
They do help the homeless here. This city has one of the highest available level of services to the homeless, in terms of hostels and homeless charities in the country, which is why B&H has become such a magnet for the dispossessed. What do YOU think should happen?
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: Max Miller Walk, aka, Skid Row, what is this town becoming, when it cannot or will not help the homeless, and allows them to set up camp in the centre of tourist Brighton. Another thing to thank the greens for.[/p][/quote]They do help the homeless here. This city has one of the highest available level of services to the homeless, in terms of hostels and homeless charities in the country, which is why B&H has become such a magnet for the dispossessed. What do YOU think should happen? KarenT
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Mon 23 Jun 14

KarenT says...

The spare-change begging helter-skelter on the way to and from Churchill Square from Hove, about 2 on every street, on both sides. Spare change needed - one hand with a can of Special Brew, the other hand a roll-up. On the way out of Waitrose I usually buy a pre-packed sandwich and a sachet of dog food to offer - often end up back home with the same in my bag cuz they're turned down. Fortunately I have a dog.
The spare-change begging helter-skelter on the way to and from Churchill Square from Hove, about 2 on every street, on both sides. Spare change needed - one hand with a can of Special Brew, the other hand a roll-up. On the way out of Waitrose I usually buy a pre-packed sandwich and a sachet of dog food to offer - often end up back home with the same in my bag cuz they're turned down. Fortunately I have a dog. KarenT
  • Score: 0

10:10pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts.

The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.
As ever we have to point out the obvious to H Jarrs so here goes :-

YOU CAN BE POOR AND HOMELESS WITHOUT BEING ANTISOCIAL AND SPITTING AND URINATING JUST WHERE YOU THINK YOU WILL.

In fact I suspect these people and travellers would be much better thought of and hence much better treated if they weren't so antisocial.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: What a sadly low level many of the Argus posters dredge. Happy to blame the poorest for their own misfortune any lots more besides. The moanerati should look in the mirror for it is they that have voted and supported the policies of parties that have delivered chronic insecurity, lack of housing and cuts, cuts, cuts. The moanerati are but a tiny minority in the city.[/p][/quote]As ever we have to point out the obvious to H Jarrs so here goes :- YOU CAN BE POOR AND HOMELESS WITHOUT BEING ANTISOCIAL AND SPITTING AND URINATING JUST WHERE YOU THINK YOU WILL. In fact I suspect these people and travellers would be much better thought of and hence much better treated if they weren't so antisocial. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 0

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