Police too late to stop massive rave

Police too late to stop massive rave

Police too late to stop massive rave

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POLICE were warned about a massive rave being set up on Devil’s Dyke but were too late to stop it.

Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours.

But the force denied a lack of resources were behind the lack of action inisting they had additional officers available but chose not to use them.

Police were criticised after the mammoth rave was allowed to continue and the force launched an internal review.

Seven sound systems blasted out music which could be heard from Poynings, with passers-by describing passersby as “out of their heads”.

About 400 vehicles lined Devil’s Dyke Road with revellers dancing into the next day and dozens of stragglers passing out in their cars and on grass verges in the National Park.

Temporary Chief Constable Giles York, speaking at this month’s police performance and accountability meeting, admitted police had received a call about someone setting up music equipment.

He said: “We got an early call from a dog handler, and when turned up we saw a vehicle pulling away.

“So we are responsive to calls coming in.

“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started.

“We decided it was safer to let the rave run rather than try and dismantle it.

“It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.”

TCC York denied one of the reasons no action was taken was that there were insufficient number of police officers available.

He said: “It’s not that they weren’t available.

“If we needed more resources, we could have readily called upon those.”

TCC York added: “Historically, raves have been seen as a bit of a party, but it’s much more sophisticated than that now.

“They are not safe places.

“There was a rave recently in Croydon where 1,300 people turned up and six police officers were injured.

“It’s not as simple as walking in and taking the power lead out.”

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3:13pm Sat 21 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Pathetic excuses from a pathetic police farce.
Pathetic excuses from a pathetic police farce. stevo!!
  • Score: 4

3:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Innocentbystander65 says...

stevo!! wrote:
Pathetic excuses from a pathetic police farce.
A more pathetic comment from an even more pathetic excuse for a human being.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Pathetic excuses from a pathetic police farce.[/p][/quote]A more pathetic comment from an even more pathetic excuse for a human being. Innocentbystander65
  • Score: -6

4:08pm Sat 21 Jun 14

BaldEagle says...

Sadly the article does not accurately report what was said at the Accountability Meeting (available via the PCC's website).
Sadly the article does not accurately report what was said at the Accountability Meeting (available via the PCC's website). BaldEagle
  • Score: 14

5:14pm Sat 21 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

“It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.”

So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety?

"“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. "

And wasn't that the best time to stop it?

Apparently not.

"Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. "

So it was dark for 24 hours?

Where were they looking? The South Pole?
“It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.” So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety? "“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. " And wasn't that the best time to stop it? Apparently not. "Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. " So it was dark for 24 hours? Where were they looking? The South Pole? stevo!!
  • Score: 8

5:29pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Let me get this right, they did nothing about the rave because once they arrived it was under way, so if they arrived at a bank to see the bank robbers fleeing with sacks of swag they'd give up and go back to the canteen as there was 'nothing they could do'. Why didn't they just go up to the pillocks playing the music and tell them that if they didn't turn it off and disperse then they'd arrest them and confiscate their vehicles and equipment.
Let me get this right, they did nothing about the rave because once they arrived it was under way, so if they arrived at a bank to see the bank robbers fleeing with sacks of swag they'd give up and go back to the canteen as there was 'nothing they could do'. Why didn't they just go up to the pillocks playing the music and tell them that if they didn't turn it off and disperse then they'd arrest them and confiscate their vehicles and equipment. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 14

5:40pm Sat 21 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
Let me get this right, they did nothing about the rave because once they arrived it was under way, so if they arrived at a bank to see the bank robbers fleeing with sacks of swag they'd give up and go back to the canteen as there was 'nothing they could do'. Why didn't they just go up to the pillocks playing the music and tell them that if they didn't turn it off and disperse then they'd arrest them and confiscate their vehicles and equipment.
And if they weren't going to prevent it, why did they go looking for it?
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: Let me get this right, they did nothing about the rave because once they arrived it was under way, so if they arrived at a bank to see the bank robbers fleeing with sacks of swag they'd give up and go back to the canteen as there was 'nothing they could do'. Why didn't they just go up to the pillocks playing the music and tell them that if they didn't turn it off and disperse then they'd arrest them and confiscate their vehicles and equipment.[/p][/quote]And if they weren't going to prevent it, why did they go looking for it? stevo!!
  • Score: 6

5:44pm Sat 21 Jun 14

maria m says...

No one was arrested for drink or drug driving,
anyone else can do what they like, park on green spaces make lots of litter and filth, but ordinary Joe Blogs would get a fine just like that.
No one was arrested for drink or drug driving, anyone else can do what they like, park on green spaces make lots of litter and filth, but ordinary Joe Blogs would get a fine just like that. maria m
  • Score: 14

7:34pm Sat 21 Jun 14

west hove says...

"hundreds of smackheads"? Only in your sad deluded mind Stevo.
"hundreds of smackheads"? Only in your sad deluded mind Stevo. west hove
  • Score: 15

9:57pm Sat 21 Jun 14

dingdong2 says...

Whats the problem. There were no injuries, people were having a good time away from the health and safety brigade and council shutting down any attempt at people actually enjoying themselves.

Its one weekend a year - and frankly the countryside isn't owned by the sad losers complaining about it.

It was actually quite nice walking in the countryside with some top tunes playing in the distance rather than listening to the usual stuck up middle class people.... who if they don't like it should move out of Brighton to somewhere more suitable for their sensitive ears.
Whats the problem. There were no injuries, people were having a good time away from the health and safety brigade and council shutting down any attempt at people actually enjoying themselves. Its one weekend a year - and frankly the countryside isn't owned by the sad losers complaining about it. It was actually quite nice walking in the countryside with some top tunes playing in the distance rather than listening to the usual stuck up middle class people.... who if they don't like it should move out of Brighton to somewhere more suitable for their sensitive ears. dingdong2
  • Score: 6

12:37am Sun 22 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

dingdong2 wrote:
Whats the problem. There were no injuries, people were having a good time away from the health and safety brigade and council shutting down any attempt at people actually enjoying themselves.

Its one weekend a year - and frankly the countryside isn't owned by the sad losers complaining about it.

It was actually quite nice walking in the countryside with some top tunes playing in the distance rather than listening to the usual stuck up middle class people.... who if they don't like it should move out of Brighton to somewhere more suitable for their sensitive ears.
The land is owned by the National Trust, and it isn't there for scum to hold parties there.

Grassland was damaged, as were fences, and rubbish was left strewn across a wide area.

The people who could hear it were well outside of Brighton.

I bet you haven't had a bath this year.
[quote][p][bold]dingdong2[/bold] wrote: Whats the problem. There were no injuries, people were having a good time away from the health and safety brigade and council shutting down any attempt at people actually enjoying themselves. Its one weekend a year - and frankly the countryside isn't owned by the sad losers complaining about it. It was actually quite nice walking in the countryside with some top tunes playing in the distance rather than listening to the usual stuck up middle class people.... who if they don't like it should move out of Brighton to somewhere more suitable for their sensitive ears.[/p][/quote]The land is owned by the National Trust, and it isn't there for scum to hold parties there. Grassland was damaged, as were fences, and rubbish was left strewn across a wide area. The people who could hear it were well outside of Brighton. I bet you haven't had a bath this year. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

4:30am Sun 22 Jun 14

Dave At Home says...

Ha ha, it wasn't because they didn't have enough officers to deal with it, it was because it was dark and the Surrey force had all the torches as well as our helicopter and our dogs. Suppose it was something we had a few squad cars between them.
Ha ha, it wasn't because they didn't have enough officers to deal with it, it was because it was dark and the Surrey force had all the torches as well as our helicopter and our dogs. Suppose it was something we had a few squad cars between them. Dave At Home
  • Score: 6

7:54am Sun 22 Jun 14

Hovegeek says...

"Seven sound systems blasted out music which could be heard from Poynings, with passers-by describing passersby as “out of their heads”."

Were they describing ravers or eachother? It all sounds very recursive
"Seven sound systems blasted out music which could be heard from Poynings, with passers-by describing passersby as “out of their heads”." Were they describing ravers or eachother? It all sounds very recursive Hovegeek
  • Score: -2

2:03pm Sun 22 Jun 14

sean04 says...

stevo!! wrote:
“It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.”

So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety?

"“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. "

And wasn't that the best time to stop it?

Apparently not.

"Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. "

So it was dark for 24 hours?

Where were they looking? The South Pole?
Pre judgemental. Do you actually know they were all smack heads? Or are you just stereotyping? I'd imagine the latter just for effext
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: “It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.” So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety? "“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. " And wasn't that the best time to stop it? Apparently not. "Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. " So it was dark for 24 hours? Where were they looking? The South Pole?[/p][/quote]Pre judgemental. Do you actually know they were all smack heads? Or are you just stereotyping? I'd imagine the latter just for effext sean04
  • Score: 3

2:55pm Sun 22 Jun 14

straightasadye says...

Like it or not it is the duty of the police to PREVENT a breach of the peace and NOT for those in charge to police as THEY see fit.
Like it or not it is the duty of the police to PREVENT a breach of the peace and NOT for those in charge to police as THEY see fit. straightasadye
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Sun 22 Jun 14

stevo!! says...

sean04 wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
“It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.”

So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety?

"“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. "

And wasn't that the best time to stop it?

Apparently not.

"Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. "

So it was dark for 24 hours?

Where were they looking? The South Pole?
Pre judgemental. Do you actually know they were all smack heads? Or are you just stereotyping? I'd imagine the latter just for effext
I was highlighting the fact that those who were using drugs were perfectly capable of getting to the site and partying, whereas the police felt they were in danger due to the dark and the dampness of the ground.

At no point did is state or imply that EVERYONE at the rave was high.
[quote][p][bold]sean04[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: “It was dark, it had been raining on and off and footing was unsecure.” So how come hundreds of smackheads were able to party there in complete safety? "“We did go to a number of sites where we thought the rave might be being held, but by the time we found it, it had already started. " And wasn't that the best time to stop it? Apparently not. "Senior officers also blamed rain and darkness for their decision to let the 2,000-strong party go on for more than 24 hours. " So it was dark for 24 hours? Where were they looking? The South Pole?[/p][/quote]Pre judgemental. Do you actually know they were all smack heads? Or are you just stereotyping? I'd imagine the latter just for effext[/p][/quote]I was highlighting the fact that those who were using drugs were perfectly capable of getting to the site and partying, whereas the police felt they were in danger due to the dark and the dampness of the ground. At no point did is state or imply that EVERYONE at the rave was high. stevo!!
  • Score: 4

5:36pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Watchdog50 says...

straightasadye wrote:
Like it or not it is the duty of the police to PREVENT a breach of the peace and NOT for those in charge to police as THEY see fit.
It is indeed. However that's not always possible with the numbers that they have.

What saddens me is the endless tripe spouted by cretinous senior police officers. I don't know if they're naive and actually believe what they're saying (having been spoon fed information by equally cretinous "yes" men whom they seem to surround themselves with) or whether they're just downright liars who think that the public are too stupid to realise the truth. Either way, they should be out of a job.

To suggest that he had enough officers to deal with this incident and simply chose not to do so on safety grounds is laughable. If that's the case, where is he hiding all these officers and why do we have to wait such a long time for a police response to everything other than the most serious of incidents?

I have every respect for the officers on the ground who have to wade through the human detritus that blights our communities these days.
I'd quote the phrase, ''lions led by donkeys", however I'd hate to insult donkeys!

My advice to senior police officers, politicians, PCCs and the many other people in positions of power who treat us like brainless plebs....just come out and tell the truth. We may not like it but most of us will probably understand it and have a great deal more respect for you in the end.
[quote][p][bold]straightasadye[/bold] wrote: Like it or not it is the duty of the police to PREVENT a breach of the peace and NOT for those in charge to police as THEY see fit.[/p][/quote]It is indeed. However that's not always possible with the numbers that they have. What saddens me is the endless tripe spouted by cretinous senior police officers. I don't know if they're naive and actually believe what they're saying (having been spoon fed information by equally cretinous "yes" men whom they seem to surround themselves with) or whether they're just downright liars who think that the public are too stupid to realise the truth. Either way, they should be out of a job. To suggest that he had enough officers to deal with this incident and simply chose not to do so on safety grounds is laughable. If that's the case, where is he hiding all these officers and why do we have to wait such a long time for a police response to everything other than the most serious of incidents? I have every respect for the officers on the ground who have to wade through the human detritus that blights our communities these days. I'd quote the phrase, ''lions led by donkeys", however I'd hate to insult donkeys! My advice to senior police officers, politicians, PCCs and the many other people in positions of power who treat us like brainless plebs....just come out and tell the truth. We may not like it but most of us will probably understand it and have a great deal more respect for you in the end. Watchdog50
  • Score: 7

5:46pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

So what are we saying here? If the coppers had been off their faces, they would have been able to nick everyone without slipping over? That would make for an epic TV show - like "It's a Knock-Out" with a techno soundtrack. I'd buy a big-screen telly for that!
So what are we saying here? If the coppers had been off their faces, they would have been able to nick everyone without slipping over? That would make for an epic TV show - like "It's a Knock-Out" with a techno soundtrack. I'd buy a big-screen telly for that! Roundbill
  • Score: 0

7:54am Mon 23 Jun 14

Kedge says...

When the police got a warning call they turned up and saw a van driving away. Er, they didn't think to stop the van? By the way, the countryside is not the preserve of the "stuck-up middle class". That's dope-speak. It's the preserve of wildlife and a rave at this time of year would seriously impact on the raising of young, including nesting birds.
When the police got a warning call they turned up and saw a van driving away. Er, they didn't think to stop the van? By the way, the countryside is not the preserve of the "stuck-up middle class". That's dope-speak. It's the preserve of wildlife and a rave at this time of year would seriously impact on the raising of young, including nesting birds. Kedge
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Bobabooey says...

Kedge wrote:
When the police got a warning call they turned up and saw a van driving away. Er, they didn't think to stop the van? By the way, the countryside is not the preserve of the "stuck-up middle class". That's dope-speak. It's the preserve of wildlife and a rave at this time of year would seriously impact on the raising of young, including nesting birds.
Bird Is The Word, after all.
[quote][p][bold]Kedge[/bold] wrote: When the police got a warning call they turned up and saw a van driving away. Er, they didn't think to stop the van? By the way, the countryside is not the preserve of the "stuck-up middle class". That's dope-speak. It's the preserve of wildlife and a rave at this time of year would seriously impact on the raising of young, including nesting birds.[/p][/quote]Bird Is The Word, after all. Bobabooey
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Mon 23 Jun 14

notaconspiracy says...

Teenagers? Dancing? In the countryside?

Sounds like a case for the Argus news-comment warriors!
Teenagers? Dancing? In the countryside? Sounds like a case for the Argus news-comment warriors! notaconspiracy
  • Score: 0

10:13pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Roundbill says...

notaconspiracy wrote:
Teenagers? Dancing? In the countryside?

Sounds like a case for the Argus news-comment warriors!
Sorry, sorry - we've been at a warehouse party all weekend.
Um... yeah, turn the hose on them yada yada yada.

Is that okay?
[quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: Teenagers? Dancing? In the countryside? Sounds like a case for the Argus news-comment warriors![/p][/quote]Sorry, sorry - we've been at a warehouse party all weekend. Um... yeah, turn the hose on them yada yada yada. Is that okay? Roundbill
  • Score: 0

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