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Police 'spied' on anti-fracking protesters

The Argus: Police 'spied' on anti-fracking protesters Police 'spied' on anti-fracking protesters

POLICE spied on anti-fracking protesters and shared the information with Cuadrilla – a police blunder has revealed.

Sussex Police used covert surveillance to monitor the protests at Balcombe last summer, however it was supposed to be a secret redacted from published papers.

The slip-up emerged in a report compiled by Hertfordshire and Essex Police into the handling of the protests at energy company Cuadrilla’s test drilling site in Balcombe. It was released last week by Sussex Police in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act. It includes a section that was redacted. However, the sensitive information could simply be revealed by changing the colour of the text in a Word document.

The part that was not intended to be released says: “Once the operation moved into August it was apparent that an appropriate range of intelligence sources were being harnessed, including where appropriate European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) compliant covert means.”

Sussex Police said last night that they were not prepared to disclose any specific details of the covert methods used, though they are understood to include undercover “covert human intelligence sources” and “electronic interception”.

Caroline Lucas, Green party MP for Brighton Pavilion, said: “I think it’s deeply shocking and a huge waste of police resources at a time when those resources are scarce. It looks like the police are trying to criminalise peaceful protest.

“The use of ‘covert means’ was excessive and intrusive. That is why I will be writing to Sussex Police tomorrow (Monday 23) to seek assurance that that this is not regular practice.”

Ms Lucas was arrested while taking part in a road blockade at the protest in August and later cleared of obstructing a public highway and a public order offence. Assistant Chief Constable Steve Barry said: "We disclosed the information in good faith and had made minor redactions.

"The reference to covert tactics is generic and does not compromise the operational effectiveness of our plans.

"We have a responsibility to gather intelligence to assess risk and build plans to keep people safe. Covert tactics are legitimate and necessary and whilst we can't disclose specific details the methodology of these tactics is well publicised.

"Where authorities are required these are ECHR - human rights compliant and all materials are handled in accordance with investigatory regulations."

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7:18am Mon 23 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities.

Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest.

In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?
IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities. Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest. In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus? G Wiley
  • Score: 11

8:02am Mon 23 Jun 14

Dave in Hastings says...

G Wiley wrote:
IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities.

Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest.

In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?
Of course we should all bow down and touch our forelock when confronted by our masters. They know what's best for us. How dare we try and assert our democratic rights by protesting against policies that nobody voted for. Democracy? What democracy?
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities. Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest. In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?[/p][/quote]Of course we should all bow down and touch our forelock when confronted by our masters. They know what's best for us. How dare we try and assert our democratic rights by protesting against policies that nobody voted for. Democracy? What democracy? Dave in Hastings
  • Score: 3

8:09am Mon 23 Jun 14

whatone says...

G Wiley wrote:
IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities.

Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest.

In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?
Don't worry, the police and government are slowly building the kind of country you appear to want to live in...

Funnily enough though whilst we are told terrorists are the biggest threat, the police are spending inordinate amounts of time/taxpayers money merely acting as corporates' hired thugs!

Mind you not very bright ones it seems - they don't seem to understand basic word functions!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities. Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest. In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?[/p][/quote]Don't worry, the police and government are slowly building the kind of country you appear to want to live in... Funnily enough though whilst we are told terrorists are the biggest threat, the police are spending inordinate amounts of time/taxpayers money merely acting as corporates' hired thugs! Mind you not very bright ones it seems - they don't seem to understand basic word functions! whatone
  • Score: 6

8:56am Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

Maybe the police might like to divert some of this spying resource they clearly now have spare for spying on our traveller friends. I note the Argus still doesn't want comments on travellers - why ?
Maybe the police might like to divert some of this spying resource they clearly now have spare for spying on our traveller friends. I note the Argus still doesn't want comments on travellers - why ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 24

9:01am Mon 23 Jun 14

Nosfaratu says...

Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged.

The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country.
Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive.
Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged. The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country. Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -17

9:03am Mon 23 Jun 14

Nosfaratu says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Maybe the police might like to divert some of this spying resource they clearly now have spare for spying on our traveller friends. I note the Argus still doesn't want comments on travellers - why ?
Because the comments would be derogatory to the Dids.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Maybe the police might like to divert some of this spying resource they clearly now have spare for spying on our traveller friends. I note the Argus still doesn't want comments on travellers - why ?[/p][/quote]Because the comments would be derogatory to the Dids. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 6

9:16am Mon 23 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print.
So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print. Max Ripple
  • Score: 20

9:17am Mon 23 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

Ooh wait till my comment gets removed.....
Ooh wait till my comment gets removed..... Max Ripple
  • Score: 6

9:41am Mon 23 Jun 14

qm says...

It's called gathering intelligence and anyone who has a problem with it also has a problem with law and order! Suck it up!
It's called gathering intelligence and anyone who has a problem with it also has a problem with law and order! Suck it up! qm
  • Score: 6

10:13am Mon 23 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

Dave in Hastings wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities.

Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest.

In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?
Of course we should all bow down and touch our forelock when confronted by our masters. They know what's best for us. How dare we try and assert our democratic rights by protesting against policies that nobody voted for. Democracy? What democracy?
@Dave in Hastings - everyone has the right, and responsibility, to protest peacefully, and to accept the decision of the democratically elected representatives.

What violent protestors, such as those similarly involved with SmashEDO and UAF (BTW also ably supported by the Greens!) do not have is the right to force through their viewpoint against others through thuggery.

We can't have a referendum on every decision made - and if there was one and it was in favour of fracking would the anti-frackers still not be satisfied and call foul? I imagine they would and claim that the referendum was un-democratic as well.

Would you care to define what you mean by democratic? Is it when those in charge ignore the wishes of the electorate? You mean - like the green party councillors in Brighton & Hove and their support for the (allegedly) violent travellers?
[quote][p][bold]Dave in Hastings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: IMHO protesters should take responsibility for their actions and proudly identify who they are, rather than being ashamed of what they have done and wanting to hide their identities. Of course this is not the philosophy promoted by left-wing eco-activist Greens who seem to favour anonymous violent protest. In fact I am rather pleased the police have been able to identify the protesters. Perhaps the list could be published in The Argus?[/p][/quote]Of course we should all bow down and touch our forelock when confronted by our masters. They know what's best for us. How dare we try and assert our democratic rights by protesting against policies that nobody voted for. Democracy? What democracy?[/p][/quote]@Dave in Hastings - everyone has the right, and responsibility, to protest peacefully, and to accept the decision of the democratically elected representatives. What violent protestors, such as those similarly involved with SmashEDO and UAF (BTW also ably supported by the Greens!) do not have is the right to force through their viewpoint against others through thuggery. We can't have a referendum on every decision made - and if there was one and it was in favour of fracking would the anti-frackers still not be satisfied and call foul? I imagine they would and claim that the referendum was un-democratic as well. Would you care to define what you mean by democratic? Is it when those in charge ignore the wishes of the electorate? You mean - like the green party councillors in Brighton & Hove and their support for the (allegedly) violent travellers? G Wiley
  • Score: 0

10:26am Mon 23 Jun 14

ThinkBrighton says...

The police were not spying, the were doing their job to keep law and order,
Cuadrilla had a legal right to go about their business.
Any thing that was done to stop the violence and intimidation by the protestors, was in the public interest.
The bully boy tactics of protesters who can't get their own way is deplorable.
The police were not spying, the were doing their job to keep law and order, Cuadrilla had a legal right to go about their business. Any thing that was done to stop the violence and intimidation by the protestors, was in the public interest. The bully boy tactics of protesters who can't get their own way is deplorable. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 9

10:32am Mon 23 Jun 14

charlie smirke says...

Max Ripple wrote:
So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print.
I have many questions I would like answered about the travellers but as you say, we are not allowed to do so. For example, why are they allowed to leave sites without removing their piles of rubbish? Isn't that illegal flytipping?? Why are they not prosecuted for this? Anyone else would be.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print.[/p][/quote]I have many questions I would like answered about the travellers but as you say, we are not allowed to do so. For example, why are they allowed to leave sites without removing their piles of rubbish? Isn't that illegal flytipping?? Why are they not prosecuted for this? Anyone else would be. charlie smirke
  • Score: 17

12:12pm Mon 23 Jun 14

andrewedmondson says...

There's no information in the article about the alleged sharing of intelligence with Cuadrilla. That would concern me.
There's no information in the article about the alleged sharing of intelligence with Cuadrilla. That would concern me. andrewedmondson
  • Score: 11

2:00pm Mon 23 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

I am shocked to the core that Saint Caroline, MP for Balcombe might have had her rights trodden on by being spied on. I demand a Public Enquiry, led by Her Holiness herself. That will add balance to proceedings.
I am shocked to the core that Saint Caroline, MP for Balcombe might have had her rights trodden on by being spied on. I demand a Public Enquiry, led by Her Holiness herself. That will add balance to proceedings. NickBrt
  • Score: 5

2:01pm Mon 23 Jun 14

MICKY389 says...

Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest.
Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest. MICKY389
  • Score: -2

2:59pm Mon 23 Jun 14

whatone says...

MICKY389 wrote:
Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest.
Sadly many 'misguided' contributors on this website fail to see that.

Of course they are also the ones that squeal the loudest if their perceived 'rights' are infringed.!

And they also wouldn't have a clue about the concept of 'divide and rule'.

The government and their corporate masters are p1ssing themselves laughing at these idiots, because they are spying on them too!
[quote][p][bold]MICKY389[/bold] wrote: Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest.[/p][/quote]Sadly many 'misguided' contributors on this website fail to see that. Of course they are also the ones that squeal the loudest if their perceived 'rights' are infringed.! And they also wouldn't have a clue about the concept of 'divide and rule'. The government and their corporate masters are p1ssing themselves laughing at these idiots, because they are spying on them too! whatone
  • Score: -4

4:13pm Mon 23 Jun 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

We live in a police state - 1984 has come true.
We live in a police state - 1984 has come true. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -3

4:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

G Wiley says...

whatone wrote:
MICKY389 wrote:
Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest.
Sadly many 'misguided' contributors on this website fail to see that.

Of course they are also the ones that squeal the loudest if their perceived 'rights' are infringed.!

And they also wouldn't have a clue about the concept of 'divide and rule'.

The government and their corporate masters are p1ssing themselves laughing at these idiots, because they are spying on them too!
@whatone - so would you, an obvious genius, mind explaining to us poor 'misguided idiots' how you would arrange government, the judicial system and the police to protect the individuals?

Who decides when the needs of individuals needs to be over-riden because of needs of national security or for the economic future of the country?

What change to the current democracy does your solution require? Who would you see controlling the police and the judiciary?

Please explain what you propose and why? Because I am not at all worried if anyone is 'spying' on me - I take responsibility for, and I am accountable for, my own actions - are you? What do you have to hide in this society that supports diversity, free thought and expression?

IMHO what we have in this country is not perfect, but it is significantly better than what happens in most other democracies.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MICKY389[/bold] wrote: Since about the time of the miner's strike the police seem to have decided that their function is to do the will of the government of the day, legal or not, and to protect big business at all costs, rather than uphold the law, and by any means possible stifle legal and legitimate protest.[/p][/quote]Sadly many 'misguided' contributors on this website fail to see that. Of course they are also the ones that squeal the loudest if their perceived 'rights' are infringed.! And they also wouldn't have a clue about the concept of 'divide and rule'. The government and their corporate masters are p1ssing themselves laughing at these idiots, because they are spying on them too![/p][/quote]@whatone - so would you, an obvious genius, mind explaining to us poor 'misguided idiots' how you would arrange government, the judicial system and the police to protect the individuals? Who decides when the needs of individuals needs to be over-riden because of needs of national security or for the economic future of the country? What change to the current democracy does your solution require? Who would you see controlling the police and the judiciary? Please explain what you propose and why? Because I am not at all worried if anyone is 'spying' on me - I take responsibility for, and I am accountable for, my own actions - are you? What do you have to hide in this society that supports diversity, free thought and expression? IMHO what we have in this country is not perfect, but it is significantly better than what happens in most other democracies. G Wiley
  • Score: 2

6:09pm Mon 23 Jun 14

runnergirl says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
We live in a police state - 1984 has come true.
I bet the trolls who voted your comment down have never even read Orwell's work of genius. Well said!
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: We live in a police state - 1984 has come true.[/p][/quote]I bet the trolls who voted your comment down have never even read Orwell's work of genius. Well said! runnergirl
  • Score: -3

7:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

whatone says...

G Wiley says - "so would you, an obvious genius, mind explaining to us poor 'misguided idiots' how you would arrange government, the judicial system and the police to protect the individuals?"

It doesn't take a genius to point out to an idiot that individuals can only be protected by a fully transparent and independant system that makes the people who are supposed to be working for us fully answerable to us.

But since you 'take responsibility for, and are accountable for your own actions' I wonder if you also believe you have 'nothing to hide'?

Because your idea of 'nothing to hide' may differ wildly from what your political masters believe!

As for your belief in our so-called democracy, maybe you can enlighten us by showing where the issue of fracking has ever been put to the electorate?

Oh that's right - those unaccountable ones do the thinking for you!

You just get lent a pencil every few years and after you've scrawled your mark you just let them get on with whatever they want to do anyway regardless of popular opinion.

So if you're gullible enough to swallow all the b*llshit about 'national security' and 'economic future of the country' then you've obviously taken the blue pill !
G Wiley says - "so would you, an obvious genius, mind explaining to us poor 'misguided idiots' how you would arrange government, the judicial system and the police to protect the individuals?" It doesn't take a genius to point out to an idiot that individuals can only be protected by a fully transparent and independant system that makes the people who are supposed to be working for us fully answerable to us. But since you 'take responsibility for, and are accountable for your own actions' I wonder if you also believe you have 'nothing to hide'? Because your idea of 'nothing to hide' may differ wildly from what your political masters believe! As for your belief in our so-called democracy, maybe you can enlighten us by showing where the issue of fracking has ever been put to the electorate? Oh that's right - those unaccountable ones do the thinking for you! You just get lent a pencil every few years and after you've scrawled your mark you just let them get on with whatever they want to do anyway regardless of popular opinion. So if you're gullible enough to swallow all the b*llshit about 'national security' and 'economic future of the country' then you've obviously taken the blue pill ! whatone
  • Score: -5

10:45pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged.

The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country.
Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive.
Yeah not dissimilar to the Tories wasting billions of pounds of North Sea oil revenues on unemployment benefits in the 70's and 80's as they closed down our pits and imported cheap foreign coal eh?!
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged. The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country. Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive.[/p][/quote]Yeah not dissimilar to the Tories wasting billions of pounds of North Sea oil revenues on unemployment benefits in the 70's and 80's as they closed down our pits and imported cheap foreign coal eh?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Ooh wait till my comment gets removed.....
You REALLY are not that interesting you saloon bar bore!!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Ooh wait till my comment gets removed.....[/p][/quote]You REALLY are not that interesting you saloon bar bore!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

10:53pm Mon 23 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

qm wrote:
It's called gathering intelligence and anyone who has a problem with it also has a problem with law and order! Suck it up!
Law and order my @rse! The police are wrapped up in so many scandals they are beyond trust - from Plebgate to Hillsborough to Steven Lawrence to the reports of high level corruption currently being reported in the Sunday Times to the IPCC and the Police Federation accounts scandals and much much more large segments of the police force believe they are above the law! If you only get your information from the Argue no wonder you haven't got a clue about what goes on in the outside world!!
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: It's called gathering intelligence and anyone who has a problem with it also has a problem with law and order! Suck it up![/p][/quote]Law and order my @rse! The police are wrapped up in so many scandals they are beyond trust - from Plebgate to Hillsborough to Steven Lawrence to the reports of high level corruption currently being reported in the Sunday Times to the IPCC and the Police Federation accounts scandals and much much more large segments of the police force believe they are above the law! If you only get your information from the Argue no wonder you haven't got a clue about what goes on in the outside world!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

11:39pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
Ooh wait till my comment gets removed.....
You REALLY are not that interesting you saloon bar bore!!
Are you always this polite when having your arse handed to you?
Pot calls kettle black
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Ooh wait till my comment gets removed.....[/p][/quote]You REALLY are not that interesting you saloon bar bore!![/p][/quote]Are you always this polite when having your arse handed to you?[/p][/quote]Pot calls kettle black HJarrs
  • Score: -7

11:39pm Mon 23 Jun 14

HJarrs says...

Very sad, but unsurprising to see that the police have once more been colluding with big business to protect corporate interests.

Developing fracked gas and oil reserves are not in our long term economic interest. The impact of the release of climate changing gases outweighs any short term corporate gains.

It is quite unbelievable that the resources of the state are directed at stopping people that wish to prevent devastating climate change, rather than being directed at criminals, terrorists and those degrading our environment.
Very sad, but unsurprising to see that the police have once more been colluding with big business to protect corporate interests. Developing fracked gas and oil reserves are not in our long term economic interest. The impact of the release of climate changing gases outweighs any short term corporate gains. It is quite unbelievable that the resources of the state are directed at stopping people that wish to prevent devastating climate change, rather than being directed at criminals, terrorists and those degrading our environment. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Wed 25 Jun 14

PorkyChopper says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged.

The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country.
Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive.
Looks like you've spent far too much time in the dark, Nosferatu. Time to open the curtains and take a look at the world outside.
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: Fantastic news, the Nimby Luddites AKA The Green party and Friends of the Earth would see this country reduced to a pre-industrial revolution status have all been tagged. The organisers and protesters on these demonstrations would in be incarcerated for sabotage in many countries. Just think, they are trying to damage the economy of this country. Reduce your child's chance of employment and the ransom of the Govt to Russian Gas Companies when the Gas & Electric you use becomes too expensive.[/p][/quote]Looks like you've spent far too much time in the dark, Nosferatu. Time to open the curtains and take a look at the world outside. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Wed 25 Jun 14

PorkyChopper says...

stevo!! wrote:
runnergirl wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
We live in a police state - 1984 has come true.
I bet the trolls who voted your comment down have never even read Orwell's work of genius. Well said!
There have been undercover policemen for decades. They target known criminals.

HTH
They used to target known criminals. Nowadays, you can be labelled a TERRORIST for pretty much anything the state decides. Yes, even you, if they decide they want to. Mind how you go, you wanted this sort of society. Suck it up.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runnergirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: We live in a police state - 1984 has come true.[/p][/quote]I bet the trolls who voted your comment down have never even read Orwell's work of genius. Well said![/p][/quote]There have been undercover policemen for decades. They target known criminals. HTH[/p][/quote]They used to target known criminals. Nowadays, you can be labelled a TERRORIST for pretty much anything the state decides. Yes, even you, if they decide they want to. Mind how you go, you wanted this sort of society. Suck it up. PorkyChopper
  • Score: -3

12:58pm Wed 25 Jun 14

PorkyChopper says...

From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted. PorkyChopper
  • Score: -8

1:14pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Watchdog50 says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'.

Hat anyone?
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.[/p][/quote]From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'. Hat anyone? Watchdog50
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3:27pm Wed 25 Jun 14

PorkyChopper says...

Watchdog50 wrote:
PorkyChopper wrote:
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'.

Hat anyone?
If you took your d1ck out of your hand, and used the Internet for something other than trolling the Argus, watching kiddie p0rn and putting pictures of your breakfast on Facebook, you might learn something. But if you learned something, it might frighten you, so you and millions of others would rather live as mushrooms, fed sh1t and kept in the dark. You absolutely love it, and can't wait for the next shovelful. You are in for a shock.
[quote][p][bold]Watchdog50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.[/p][/quote]From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'. Hat anyone?[/p][/quote]If you took your d1ck out of your hand, and used the Internet for something other than trolling the Argus, watching kiddie p0rn and putting pictures of your breakfast on Facebook, you might learn something. But if you learned something, it might frighten you, so you and millions of others would rather live as mushrooms, fed sh1t and kept in the dark. You absolutely love it, and can't wait for the next shovelful. You are in for a shock. PorkyChopper
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8:47pm Wed 25 Jun 14

ghost bus driver says...

Max Ripple wrote:
So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print.
No I think the travellers have photographs of the editor at a Satanic necro-**** baby eating orgy or something.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: So, still no option to comment on the travellers story again. Does the Argus editor have family in the travellers community? Is the Argus being bought off by travellers support groups? Has the council's traveller liaison group told the Argus not to allow comments as they wouldn't be politically correct? This is a disgusting piece of censorship by a paper that has never let the truth or proper opinion get in the way of the story that they want to print.[/p][/quote]No I think the travellers have photographs of the editor at a Satanic necro-**** baby eating orgy or something. ghost bus driver
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7:58am Thu 26 Jun 14

Watchdog50 says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
Watchdog50 wrote:
PorkyChopper wrote:
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.
From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'.

Hat anyone?
If you took your d1ck out of your hand, and used the Internet for something other than trolling the Argus, watching kiddie p0rn and putting pictures of your breakfast on Facebook, you might learn something. But if you learned something, it might frighten you, so you and millions of others would rather live as mushrooms, fed sh1t and kept in the dark. You absolutely love it, and can't wait for the next shovelful. You are in for a shock.
I rest my case.

You need to get out more mate. You've obviously given this conspiracy theory far too much thought and it's making you go just a little bit weird. Lay off the coffee.

Incidentally, I only ever posted a photograph of my breakfast on facebook once, however in my defence.....that bowl of rice krispies was worthy of the Turner prize!!!

All the best.
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watchdog50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like the majority of commentators want to live in some kind of police state. Well, it's almost here. Enjoy it, and when you get kicked to a pulp for "not complying with orders", in what you thought was the safety of your own home, enjoy that as well. It's what you always wanted.[/p][/quote]From reading the Argus comments pages over a period of time, it looks like I should be investing my money in 'Bacofoil'. Hat anyone?[/p][/quote]If you took your d1ck out of your hand, and used the Internet for something other than trolling the Argus, watching kiddie p0rn and putting pictures of your breakfast on Facebook, you might learn something. But if you learned something, it might frighten you, so you and millions of others would rather live as mushrooms, fed sh1t and kept in the dark. You absolutely love it, and can't wait for the next shovelful. You are in for a shock.[/p][/quote]I rest my case. You need to get out more mate. You've obviously given this conspiracy theory far too much thought and it's making you go just a little bit weird. Lay off the coffee. Incidentally, I only ever posted a photograph of my breakfast on facebook once, however in my defence.....that bowl of rice krispies was worthy of the Turner prize!!! All the best. Watchdog50
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