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£37k iPad theft leaves school 'sickened'

The Argus: £37k iPad theft leaves school 'sickened' £37k iPad theft leaves school 'sickened'

A HEADTEACHER has said he is “sick- ened” after thieves stole £37,000 worth of pupils’ iPads from his school.

Thieves broke into Hove Park School in Hangleton Way, Hove, some time between Friday night and Saturday midday and stole the 152 iPads.

The machines, which were in storage, were intended for new pupils starting at the school in September.

Headteacher Derek Trimmer said: “We are sickened that criminals should target the school in this way.

“We are working with police to further the investigation as quickly as possible and apprehend the criminals.”

Sussex Police is appealing for informa- tion following the break-in which happened sometime after 9pm on Friday.

A spokeswoman said: “Police would like to hear from anyone who saw any vehicles or people acting suspiciously in the Hangleton area during the time, or if they have any information to contact police.”

Officers are looking into the possibility those involved were former pupils who had some connection with the city school.

It is believed whoever took the electrical goods would have had a good knowledge of the school layout and where the equipment was being stored.

Mr Trimmer, who is largely credited with bringing about huge improvements at the school in the last few years, introduced iPads for every pupil back in March last year.

They are used for both classwork and homework with pupils able to watch videos of their work being marked by teachers while at the same time getting feedback.

They are also designed to enable parents to be more involved in what is hap- pening and the work being done by their children.

Mr Trimmer said at the time he wanted to ‘change the way teaching was approached’.

He said the iPads would enable pupils to engage with future employers and be confident with modern technologies.

Det Con Richard Valder- Davis said: “We would like to hear from anyone that may have heard about this burglary being planned or has any information about where the iPads are now.

“It is likely that the offenders knew the school layout and the area the equipment was being stored.”

Anyone with information should call police on 101 or email 101@sus- sex.pnn.police.uk, quoting serial 650 of 21/6. Alternatively, call the independ- ent Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

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8:32am Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer. Fight_Back
  • Score: -3

9:05am Mon 23 Jun 14

Nosfaratu says...

Where was the security ?
Where was the security ? Nosfaratu
  • Score: 34

9:38am Mon 23 Jun 14

qm says...

Sickened? By his own stupidity? Stocking a large quantity of high cost easily transportable items in an environment where innumerable people had knowledge of the presence and location of the iPads and where security is limited! It's the people who paid for them who should be sickened!
It is also questionable as to whether high end (and cost products) provide any benefit over much cheaper and equally effective ones but that is a different discussion.
It is frightening that the mentality of some of these 'educationalists' are responsible for producing the future of our Country!
Sickened? By his own stupidity? Stocking a large quantity of high cost easily transportable items in an environment where innumerable people had knowledge of the presence and location of the iPads and where security is limited! It's the people who paid for them who should be sickened! It is also questionable as to whether high end (and cost products) provide any benefit over much cheaper and equally effective ones but that is a different discussion. It is frightening that the mentality of some of these 'educationalists' are responsible for producing the future of our Country! qm
  • Score: 27

9:39am Mon 23 Jun 14

jackanada says...

Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September?
You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.
Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September? You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis. jackanada
  • Score: 22

9:57am Mon 23 Jun 14

BrightonBrowser says...

Were the iPads insured? In general, are valuable items insured?
iPads can be permanently disabled remotely so that no one can use the them. This would make it pointless to steal them. The school needs to disable them ASAP.
Were the iPads insured? In general, are valuable items insured? iPads can be permanently disabled remotely so that no one can use the them. This would make it pointless to steal them. The school needs to disable them ASAP. BrightonBrowser
  • Score: 30

10:09am Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about. s&k
  • Score: -6

10:26am Mon 23 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.
Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads. pjwilk
  • Score: 25

10:31am Mon 23 Jun 14

Valerie Paynter says...

So who was around to spot the delivery and when was that? That too is a question to ask. How long were they on the premises before theft? Questions have to go all the way back to Apple and its divery people too I would say. How would ex-pupils be in the know?
So who was around to spot the delivery and when was that? That too is a question to ask. How long were they on the premises before theft? Questions have to go all the way back to Apple and its divery people too I would say. How would ex-pupils be in the know? Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 6

10:51am Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

pjwilk wrote:
Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.
Get 'em typewriters too while you're at it.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.[/p][/quote]Get 'em typewriters too while you're at it. s&k
  • Score: -7

11:08am Mon 23 Jun 14

Andy R says...

s&k wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.
Get 'em typewriters too while you're at it.
Slate and chalk - that's all they need....
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.[/p][/quote]Get 'em typewriters too while you're at it.[/p][/quote]Slate and chalk - that's all they need.... Andy R
  • Score: 8

12:00pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Bluebeef says...

What an unpleasant lot of venomous and spiteful people some of the residents of Brighton are, not to say Luddite cavemen in some instances.

This man and his team by transforming this school have radically improved the life chances of a large number of young people by giving them education of the quality that they deserve. They need all the support they can get not carping and whingeing.

Quill pens anyone
What an unpleasant lot of venomous and spiteful people some of the residents of Brighton are, not to say Luddite cavemen in some instances. This man and his team by transforming this school have radically improved the life chances of a large number of young people by giving them education of the quality that they deserve. They need all the support they can get not carping and whingeing. Quill pens anyone Bluebeef
  • Score: 13

12:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

fredaj says...

I'm sickened that the school had 37 grands worth of top-of-the-range computer equipment to be pinched.

Children do not need them to learn and are an expensive indulgence that will most like just end up being used to play games on.which

No wonder we are producing thousands and thousands of children who do not have the basic reading, writing and maths skills they need to get jobs when money and energies are being wasted like this.
I'm sickened that the school had 37 grands worth of top-of-the-range computer equipment to be pinched. Children do not need them to learn and are an expensive indulgence that will most like just end up being used to play games on.which No wonder we are producing thousands and thousands of children who do not have the basic reading, writing and maths skills they need to get jobs when money and energies are being wasted like this. fredaj
  • Score: 16

1:02pm Mon 23 Jun 14

woodie49 says...

s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot. woodie49
  • Score: -14

1:06pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BNJuan says...

I wonder if the school carried out the following basic steps:

1. Activate the 'find my iphone' app on each ipad.
2. Passcode lock on each ipad.

If so, they can activate the 'kill switch' on each iphone (rendering them worthless) and track their location if they are switched on and linked to a data signal.

If not, I would class this as what in footballing parlance would be referred to as a 'schoolboy error'.

Either way, the school should be able to claim back replacement ipads on insurance so all's well that ends well..
I wonder if the school carried out the following basic steps: 1. Activate the 'find my iphone' app on each ipad. 2. Passcode lock on each ipad. If so, they can activate the 'kill switch' on each iphone (rendering them worthless) and track their location if they are switched on and linked to a data signal. If not, I would class this as what in footballing parlance would be referred to as a 'schoolboy error'. Either way, the school should be able to claim back replacement ipads on insurance so all's well that ends well.. BNJuan
  • Score: 18

1:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

Anyone want to buy a cheap ipad?
Anyone want to buy a cheap ipad? voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 9

1:13pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
It's interesting that this comment has gone from about 15 "thumbs up" to 22 "thumbs down" in a very short space of time.

Mr Trimmer putting the remaining iPads to good use perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]It's interesting that this comment has gone from about 15 "thumbs up" to 22 "thumbs down" in a very short space of time. Mr Trimmer putting the remaining iPads to good use perhaps? Quiterie
  • Score: 23

1:16pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
Why is it a "stupid and irrelevant" comment? You may not agree with it .... fair enough..... but it's bizarre to call it stupid and irrelevant.........
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]Why is it a "stupid and irrelevant" comment? You may not agree with it .... fair enough..... but it's bizarre to call it stupid and irrelevant......... Quiterie
  • Score: 25

1:18pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ).

Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss.

If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market.

This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
[quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags. Fight_Back
  • Score: 45

1:19pm Mon 23 Jun 14

notaconspiracy says...

Seems, according to my fellow news-warriors, that you must not own something valuable, or it will be stolen and it's your fault for buying it?
Seems, according to my fellow news-warriors, that you must not own something valuable, or it will be stolen and it's your fault for buying it? notaconspiracy
  • Score: 4

1:26pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Bluebeef says...

Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ).

Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss.

If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market.

This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Oh dear; of course great teaching is the point but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. Hostage to fortune comment: some of the things they look at might not be all that desirable.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Oh dear; of course great teaching is the point but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. Hostage to fortune comment: some of the things they look at might not be all that desirable. Bluebeef
  • Score: -13

1:30pm Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind? s&k
  • Score: -17

1:35pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?
Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them.

In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?[/p][/quote]Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them. In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price. Fight_Back
  • Score: 32

1:42pm Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

Fight_Back wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?
Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them. In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price.
Apple has always been traditionally popular in UK educational establishments since the 1980s and often gives good discounts to such instituitions, as well as student discounts. They are also regarded as being the best tablets on the market for usability, performance etc. No, I don't work for Apple; and IT consultants have have a great track record of draining the public sector of millions - NHS, BBC etc.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?[/p][/quote]Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them. In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price.[/p][/quote]Apple has always been traditionally popular in UK educational establishments since the 1980s and often gives good discounts to such instituitions, as well as student discounts. They are also regarded as being the best tablets on the market for usability, performance etc. No, I don't work for Apple; and IT consultants have have a great track record of draining the public sector of millions - NHS, BBC etc. s&k
  • Score: -9

1:56pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Fight_Back says...

s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?
Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them. In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price.
Apple has always been traditionally popular in UK educational establishments since the 1980s and often gives good discounts to such instituitions, as well as student discounts. They are also regarded as being the best tablets on the market for usability, performance etc. No, I don't work for Apple; and IT consultants have have a great track record of draining the public sector of millions - NHS, BBC etc.
You're not taking into account the backend system - iPads may be the best device ( although that is somewhat subjective ) but there are better backend systems that work with Android or Windows ( and are cheaper ).

As for consultants draining public finances - I once did some work for an NHS trust who wanted to upgrade their whole network. Loads of work and a multi-million pound hardware and implementation project up for grabs. I proved to the IT Manager that he could achieve his aims using HP network equipment for x price. Instead they went for Cisco equipment that cost them x plus 35%. Why ? Because the IT Manager was told that the trust would only ever use Cisco regardless of price or better options being available. That's your and my tax there. This attitude still exists within the public sector today - hence why so few councils embrace the government icloud.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Is your surname Gove or Gradgrind?[/p][/quote]Very funny. No, I'm an IT consultant that sees many businesses waste money on these type of gadgets because they think it will make their company look hip, trendy and up to date. In these cases it's their money so it's up to them. In this case, this was taxpayers money and from the documents released at the time of the decision it was clear no formal or structured evaluation of different systems took place. Derek Trimmer was more interested in headlines than getting the best on the market at the best price.[/p][/quote]Apple has always been traditionally popular in UK educational establishments since the 1980s and often gives good discounts to such instituitions, as well as student discounts. They are also regarded as being the best tablets on the market for usability, performance etc. No, I don't work for Apple; and IT consultants have have a great track record of draining the public sector of millions - NHS, BBC etc.[/p][/quote]You're not taking into account the backend system - iPads may be the best device ( although that is somewhat subjective ) but there are better backend systems that work with Android or Windows ( and are cheaper ). As for consultants draining public finances - I once did some work for an NHS trust who wanted to upgrade their whole network. Loads of work and a multi-million pound hardware and implementation project up for grabs. I proved to the IT Manager that he could achieve his aims using HP network equipment for x price. Instead they went for Cisco equipment that cost them x plus 35%. Why ? Because the IT Manager was told that the trust would only ever use Cisco regardless of price or better options being available. That's your and my tax there. This attitude still exists within the public sector today - hence why so few councils embrace the government icloud. Fight_Back
  • Score: 23

2:06pm Mon 23 Jun 14

BNJuan says...

If you were looking for appropriate hardware for education uses I would imagine that laptops would be much better than ipads. Much easier to type on and more flexible in terms of the programs which can be used and peripherals, also much better for learning / teaching programming.

As suggested above, a preference for ipads suggests probably indicates a desire to appear cool and current, even though in comparison to laptops they are actually disadvantaging the pupils. Vanity project.
If you were looking for appropriate hardware for education uses I would imagine that laptops would be much better than ipads. Much easier to type on and more flexible in terms of the programs which can be used and peripherals, also much better for learning / teaching programming. As suggested above, a preference for ipads suggests probably indicates a desire to appear cool and current, even though in comparison to laptops they are actually disadvantaging the pupils. Vanity project. BNJuan
  • Score: 20

2:24pm Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

BNJuan wrote:
If you were looking for appropriate hardware for education uses I would imagine that laptops would be much better than ipads. Much easier to type on and more flexible in terms of the programs which can be used and peripherals, also much better for learning / teaching programming. As suggested above, a preference for ipads suggests probably indicates a desire to appear cool and current, even though in comparison to laptops they are actually disadvantaging the pupils. Vanity project.
And just as nickable. You buffoons.
[quote][p][bold]BNJuan[/bold] wrote: If you were looking for appropriate hardware for education uses I would imagine that laptops would be much better than ipads. Much easier to type on and more flexible in terms of the programs which can be used and peripherals, also much better for learning / teaching programming. As suggested above, a preference for ipads suggests probably indicates a desire to appear cool and current, even though in comparison to laptops they are actually disadvantaging the pupils. Vanity project.[/p][/quote]And just as nickable. You buffoons. s&k
  • Score: -20

3:01pm Mon 23 Jun 14

sussexram40 says...

Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor.
A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened.
Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con. sussexram40
  • Score: 7

3:14pm Mon 23 Jun 14

WooahWooah says...

pjwilk wrote:
Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.
The only people who work things out with a pencil nowadays are the constipated.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Go back to basics,books and pencils.Cant see students doing anything useful on i-pads.[/p][/quote]The only people who work things out with a pencil nowadays are the constipated. WooahWooah
  • Score: -9

3:20pm Mon 23 Jun 14

s&k says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
Middle ages more like.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.[/p][/quote]Middle ages more like. s&k
  • Score: -9

4:04pm Mon 23 Jun 14

nightmareklown says...

Comment typed in nicked iPad ~

LOL
Comment typed in nicked iPad ~ LOL nightmareklown
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Bluebeef says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor.
A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened.
Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you?

try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you? try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading. Bluebeef
  • Score: 3

7:18pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Brighton12345 says...

jackanada wrote:
Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September?
You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.
Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.
[quote][p][bold]jackanada[/bold] wrote: Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September? You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.[/p][/quote]Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises. Brighton12345
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Lessor says...

Bluebeef wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor.
A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened.
Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you?

try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.
Whatever these flash tablets are used for I would like to see the justification - cost vs benefit - that decided this is the way to educate young people at all and that these are the tool for the job.

And yes, I am sure that the schools are getting a good price but then it is probably worth well worth Apple's investment to indoctrinate them into the brand while they are young.

This is a nasty scheme on so many levels.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you? try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.[/p][/quote]Whatever these flash tablets are used for I would like to see the justification - cost vs benefit - that decided this is the way to educate young people at all and that these are the tool for the job. And yes, I am sure that the schools are getting a good price but then it is probably worth well worth Apple's investment to indoctrinate them into the brand while they are young. This is a nasty scheme on so many levels. Lessor
  • Score: 7

8:40pm Mon 23 Jun 14

fredaj says...

Brighton12345 wrote:
jackanada wrote:
Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September?
You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.
Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.
Year 6 = 11 year old children?

So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds?

Sheesh!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton12345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackanada[/bold] wrote: Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September? You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.[/p][/quote]Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.[/p][/quote]Year 6 = 11 year old children? So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds? Sheesh! fredaj
  • Score: 5

8:52pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Brighton12345 says...

fredaj wrote:
Brighton12345 wrote:
jackanada wrote:
Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September?
You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.
Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.
Year 6 = 11 year old children?

So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds?

Sheesh!
Times have changed, education must move with the future.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton12345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackanada[/bold] wrote: Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September? You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.[/p][/quote]Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.[/p][/quote]Year 6 = 11 year old children? So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds? Sheesh![/p][/quote]Times have changed, education must move with the future. Brighton12345
  • Score: -5

10:36pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Fight_Back wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
s&k wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.
What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.
I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.
Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ).

Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss.

If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market.

This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.
Good post. Mr Trimmer needs to stop believing his own hype. Yes, the Hove Park results have improved, but they're still below where they should be and they're at the very bottom of all 9 secondary schools in Brighton and Hove on the 'value-added' measure, i.e. comparing what level the children end up to where they started.

He would be better off concentrating on improving results rather than gimmicks like iPads and academy status.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I do not condone the crime in any way BUT I can't help but say I told you so. At the time of Hove Park announcing this gimmick plenty of people rightly pointed out that these devices would leave students at a greater risk of crime against them. How ironic that it's the school that has been the victim. Maybe Derek Trimmer should take on board peoples views rather than bulldozing his plans through regardless - a lesson for the academy issue Mr Trimmer.[/p][/quote]What a stupid, irrelevant comment! This is a crime we're talking about.[/p][/quote]I agree,I was thinking that about this idiot.[/p][/quote]Firstly I condemn the theft ( something you both seemed to have missed ). Secondly, iPads don't improve learning, great teaching does. The idea was and is a gimmick and a gimmick that has cost parents money that many can't really afford and now cost the school £37k that could have been better used to improve other parts of the school and educational environment. Don't kid yourself that the school was insured for this loss. If there really is a necessity for students to have tablets ( and really there isn't - Patcham, Dorothy Stringer, Varndean and Blatch all have better results than Hove Park without iPads ) then there are cheaper and better systems on the market. This whole thing was a look at us campaign by Derek Trimmer which has now cost the school a serious amount of money due to some scumbags.[/p][/quote]Good post. Mr Trimmer needs to stop believing his own hype. Yes, the Hove Park results have improved, but they're still below where they should be and they're at the very bottom of all 9 secondary schools in Brighton and Hove on the 'value-added' measure, i.e. comparing what level the children end up to where they started. He would be better off concentrating on improving results rather than gimmicks like iPads and academy status. Quiterie
  • Score: 13

12:02am Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj says...

Brighton12345 wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Brighton12345 wrote:
jackanada wrote:
Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September?
You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.
Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.
Year 6 = 11 year old children?

So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds?

Sheesh!
Times have changed, education must move with the future.
That's just a bunch of meaningless, unsubstantiated words - unless of course you can explain how exactly a few Ipad apps are going to improve a child's education over what is currently available.

So, can you?
[quote][p][bold]Brighton12345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton12345[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackanada[/bold] wrote: Why have they got them now when they are not needed until September? You would have thought Apple would be pleased enough with the indoctrination of more consumers to deliver its products on more of a Just In Time basis.[/p][/quote]Hove park was planning on setting up the iPads with the new year 6s on their induction days over the next few weeks, which is why the school already had them on the premises.[/p][/quote]Year 6 = 11 year old children? So these Ipads worth hundreds of pounds are for 11 year olds? Sheesh![/p][/quote]Times have changed, education must move with the future.[/p][/quote]That's just a bunch of meaningless, unsubstantiated words - unless of course you can explain how exactly a few Ipad apps are going to improve a child's education over what is currently available. So, can you? fredaj
  • Score: 7

12:09am Tue 24 Jun 14

fredaj says...

Bluebeef wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor.
A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened.
Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you?

try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.
Modern children need an ethic to learn, taught by their parents, and a realistic understanding of what an education can do for you, and what the lack of education will mean.

Yes, they need interesting material but that already exists from over a 100 years of public education and it does not require beeps, bells, whistles and an oh so shiny touch screen to be interesting,

They need to be taught to concentrate and they need to be taught that working hard and doing well is reward in itself and that dreams of football careers and pop star futures are ridiculous pipe dreams.

Smart mobile phones and tablets are adult toys and quite simply, children should not be allowed access to them.
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you? try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.[/p][/quote]Modern children need an ethic to learn, taught by their parents, and a realistic understanding of what an education can do for you, and what the lack of education will mean. Yes, they need interesting material but that already exists from over a 100 years of public education and it does not require beeps, bells, whistles and an oh so shiny touch screen to be interesting, They need to be taught to concentrate and they need to be taught that working hard and doing well is reward in itself and that dreams of football careers and pop star futures are ridiculous pipe dreams. Smart mobile phones and tablets are adult toys and quite simply, children should not be allowed access to them. fredaj
  • Score: 7

10:38am Tue 24 Jun 14

Pebbles says...

I know I am an old cynic... always suspicious of many things that go on around me... but if I were a computer/technology giant making products for a fraction of the price that they were sold at (i.e made in china etc) then in effect I would know that if I supplied products at basic cost price to schools it would in fact be an investment for the future.

I would then embark on a strategy of seminars around the country providing the oportunity to head teachers / governors with the hard-sell of trying to convince them that they needed my product "For the eductation of today .. for the people of tomorrow" (That sounded good... must copyright that!)

The reason why this works is because of a branding ploy. Once you have got your market embedded into a 'young brain' then hopefully you have got them hooked for life and they will go on to purchase the product at the full (inflated) price in the future.

In effect this doesnt cost a technology company one penny. I would even suggest that there is some tax benefit for a compnay to do this.

This pretty well works much the same as a drug dealer... let them have the goodies at a low price to start with.. and they will come back for more. Not that I am comparing a drug dealer to a technology giant......

....yep...I'm an old cynic.... :)
I know I am an old cynic... always suspicious of many things that go on around me... but if I were a computer/technology giant making products for a fraction of the price that they were sold at (i.e made in china etc) then in effect I would know that if I supplied products at basic cost price to schools it would in fact be an investment for the future. I would then embark on a strategy of seminars around the country providing the oportunity to head teachers / governors with the hard-sell of trying to convince them that they needed my product "For the eductation of today .. for the people of tomorrow" (That sounded good... must copyright that!) The reason why this works is because of a branding ploy. Once you have got your market embedded into a 'young brain' then hopefully you have got them hooked for life and they will go on to purchase the product at the full (inflated) price in the future. In effect this doesnt cost a technology company one penny. I would even suggest that there is some tax benefit for a compnay to do this. This pretty well works much the same as a drug dealer... let them have the goodies at a low price to start with.. and they will come back for more. Not that I am comparing a drug dealer to a technology giant...... ....yep...I'm an old cynic.... :) Pebbles
  • Score: 2

1:26pm Tue 24 Jun 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Pebbles wrote:
I know I am an old cynic... always suspicious of many things that go on around me... but if I were a computer/technology giant making products for a fraction of the price that they were sold at (i.e made in china etc) then in effect I would know that if I supplied products at basic cost price to schools it would in fact be an investment for the future.

I would then embark on a strategy of seminars around the country providing the oportunity to head teachers / governors with the hard-sell of trying to convince them that they needed my product "For the eductation of today .. for the people of tomorrow" (That sounded good... must copyright that!)

The reason why this works is because of a branding ploy. Once you have got your market embedded into a 'young brain' then hopefully you have got them hooked for life and they will go on to purchase the product at the full (inflated) price in the future.

In effect this doesnt cost a technology company one penny. I would even suggest that there is some tax benefit for a compnay to do this.

This pretty well works much the same as a drug dealer... let them have the goodies at a low price to start with.. and they will come back for more. Not that I am comparing a drug dealer to a technology giant......

....yep...I'm an old cynic.... :)
Of course - it is just an Apple marketing ploy which seems to have suckered in a lot of schools. It's completely unnecessary to use ipads - even when learning IT. My godson's school has insisted on everyone getting an ipad and of course, now he has to have an iphone rather than an android. I would question how essential it has been to his schooling as usually he is playing games on it. Most heads haven't got a clue about IT. They just believe the hype.
[quote][p][bold]Pebbles[/bold] wrote: I know I am an old cynic... always suspicious of many things that go on around me... but if I were a computer/technology giant making products for a fraction of the price that they were sold at (i.e made in china etc) then in effect I would know that if I supplied products at basic cost price to schools it would in fact be an investment for the future. I would then embark on a strategy of seminars around the country providing the oportunity to head teachers / governors with the hard-sell of trying to convince them that they needed my product "For the eductation of today .. for the people of tomorrow" (That sounded good... must copyright that!) The reason why this works is because of a branding ploy. Once you have got your market embedded into a 'young brain' then hopefully you have got them hooked for life and they will go on to purchase the product at the full (inflated) price in the future. In effect this doesnt cost a technology company one penny. I would even suggest that there is some tax benefit for a compnay to do this. This pretty well works much the same as a drug dealer... let them have the goodies at a low price to start with.. and they will come back for more. Not that I am comparing a drug dealer to a technology giant...... ....yep...I'm an old cynic.... :)[/p][/quote]Of course - it is just an Apple marketing ploy which seems to have suckered in a lot of schools. It's completely unnecessary to use ipads - even when learning IT. My godson's school has insisted on everyone getting an ipad and of course, now he has to have an iphone rather than an android. I would question how essential it has been to his schooling as usually he is playing games on it. Most heads haven't got a clue about IT. They just believe the hype. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Andy R says...

fredaj wrote:
Bluebeef wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor.
A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened.
Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.
You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you?

try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.
Modern children need an ethic to learn, taught by their parents, and a realistic understanding of what an education can do for you, and what the lack of education will mean.

Yes, they need interesting material but that already exists from over a 100 years of public education and it does not require beeps, bells, whistles and an oh so shiny touch screen to be interesting,

They need to be taught to concentrate and they need to be taught that working hard and doing well is reward in itself and that dreams of football careers and pop star futures are ridiculous pipe dreams.

Smart mobile phones and tablets are adult toys and quite simply, children should not be allowed access to them.
Yeah....I reckon the rot really set in when we took the little slates and chalk off them and started getting them to use them new-fangled books with their printed words and stuff......
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable. Giving kids ipads at school? I'm middle aged and even I havent got one. No wonder standards of writing, literacy, numeracy etc. are so poor. A lot of people have been conned by the IT industry, When I was a student we were told computers would mean we all had loads more leisure time because they would make everything so much faster and more efficient. Quite the opposite has happened. Result - lowered standards, lowered social skills, things more complicated not simpler. One big con.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you; we the middle-aged have promoted and allowed a media orientated electronic world to happen and as with all great change there are some good bits and some bad bits. You can't put the genie back in the bottle So to wake up the young of today we need great teaching but great teaching is not just a bloke at the front with a stick of chalk; it is inspiring wonder, curiosity, research and if a cool iPad is the way to enthuse young minds to start looking at the world around them then bring it on. have you never spent an hour on a computer or iPad learning being surprised staggered and stunned by what a random walk has taught you? try it one day: inspiration and stimulation as compared with our stuffy old school libraries is phenomenal and it doesn't mean you have to stop reading.[/p][/quote]Modern children need an ethic to learn, taught by their parents, and a realistic understanding of what an education can do for you, and what the lack of education will mean. Yes, they need interesting material but that already exists from over a 100 years of public education and it does not require beeps, bells, whistles and an oh so shiny touch screen to be interesting, They need to be taught to concentrate and they need to be taught that working hard and doing well is reward in itself and that dreams of football careers and pop star futures are ridiculous pipe dreams. Smart mobile phones and tablets are adult toys and quite simply, children should not be allowed access to them.[/p][/quote]Yeah....I reckon the rot really set in when we took the little slates and chalk off them and started getting them to use them new-fangled books with their printed words and stuff...... Andy R
  • Score: 2

8:54pm Thu 26 Jun 14

P Hicks says...

1) I remember thinking when the iPad story came out ' bit of an ego trip by the head'.
2) Any improvements at Hove Park have come about by the hard work of the teachers and the pupils, not the Head.

What has Mr Trimmer learnt from this? Stop bigging yourself up, just because you want the school to become an Academy. How much will this effect your salary and er, pension, Mr Trimmer?
1) I remember thinking when the iPad story came out ' bit of an ego trip by the head'. 2) Any improvements at Hove Park have come about by the hard work of the teachers and the pupils, not the Head. What has Mr Trimmer learnt from this? Stop bigging yourself up, just because you want the school to become an Academy. How much will this effect your salary and er, pension, Mr Trimmer? P Hicks
  • Score: 0

9:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

P Hicks says...

Bluebeef wrote:
What an unpleasant lot of venomous and spiteful people some of the residents of Brighton are, not to say Luddite cavemen in some instances.

This man and his team by transforming this school have radically improved the life chances of a large number of young people by giving them education of the quality that they deserve. They need all the support they can get not carping and whingeing.

Quill pens anyone
No mate, the teachers and pupils contribute to improvements in a school, not the Head. Mr Trimmer, is passionate about er, Mr Trimmer....
[quote][p][bold]Bluebeef[/bold] wrote: What an unpleasant lot of venomous and spiteful people some of the residents of Brighton are, not to say Luddite cavemen in some instances. This man and his team by transforming this school have radically improved the life chances of a large number of young people by giving them education of the quality that they deserve. They need all the support they can get not carping and whingeing. Quill pens anyone[/p][/quote]No mate, the teachers and pupils contribute to improvements in a school, not the Head. Mr Trimmer, is passionate about er, Mr Trimmer.... P Hicks
  • Score: 0

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