New lease of life for old pitch and putt course

New lease of life for old pitch and putt course

New lease of life for old pitch and putt course

First published in News

A pitch and putt golf course could become the home of a different kind of birdy after a council gave their support to an alternative use for the site.

Brighton and Hove City Council environment committee is expected to give its approval to plans by Beacon Hill Nature Reserve to turn the former Rottingdean Pitch and Putt course into a nature reserve.

Councillors are expected to grant the environmental group the site rent-free for seven years as they bid to turn the former course into a “gateway” to the South Downs National Park.

The site had previously yielded the council an income of almost £50,000 but has been vacant since March 2012 and has been a target for squatters.

Security costs to protect the site cost the council more than £8,000 a year.

A new council report said there was “no viable commercial interest in the site” with negotiations with interested parties failing on two previous occasions.

Beacon Hill Nature Reserve are hoping that they will eventually turn the golf course building into a “more usable educational space” in the future but would need to secure planning permission and approximately £120,000 through grants.

A report to the council committee which will be discussed next Tuesday says the Friends of Beacon Hill have secured £25,000 of private funding to help establish the project, subject to a minimum lease of seven years.

Councillor Pete West, chair of the committee, said: "The Friends of Beacon Hill have come up with a proposal to put the site to good use for local people and the wider community.

"We are keen to get the kiosk building back into use, while it has been empty it has become a target for vandals and squatters, which means we are currently paying for security on the site."

 

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8:40am Tue 24 Jun 14

makoshark says...

Interesting use of municipal leisure ground!

I must ask though... where any of the 'commercial' interested parties offered such beneficial terms (IE. 7 years rent free @ £50k per annum council loss of income = £350,000 ... Is there any form of claw-back ?)

And whilst I applaud the concept of educational nature park establishments, I'm not quite sure how it is perceived as a gateway to the National Park... are there not a few miles and a town or two in the way!!!

Surely there must be an alternative use for this site that is more user efficient and economically productive!

(and NO! not a static travellers encampment...)
Interesting use of municipal leisure ground! I must ask though... where any of the 'commercial' interested parties offered such beneficial terms (IE. 7 years rent free @ £50k per annum council loss of income = £350,000 ... Is there any form of claw-back ?) And whilst I applaud the concept of educational nature park establishments, I'm not quite sure how it is perceived as a gateway to the National Park... are there not a few miles and a town or two in the way!!! Surely there must be an alternative use for this site that is more user efficient and economically productive! (and NO! not a static travellers encampment...) makoshark
  • Score: 9

8:51am Tue 24 Jun 14

s_james says...

makoshark wrote:
Interesting use of municipal leisure ground!

I must ask though... where any of the 'commercial' interested parties offered such beneficial terms (IE. 7 years rent free @ £50k per annum council loss of income = £350,000 ... Is there any form of claw-back ?)

And whilst I applaud the concept of educational nature park establishments, I'm not quite sure how it is perceived as a gateway to the National Park... are there not a few miles and a town or two in the way!!!

Surely there must be an alternative use for this site that is more user efficient and economically productive!

(and NO! not a static travellers encampment...)
It is adjacent to the National Park boundary.
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote: Interesting use of municipal leisure ground! I must ask though... where any of the 'commercial' interested parties offered such beneficial terms (IE. 7 years rent free @ £50k per annum council loss of income = £350,000 ... Is there any form of claw-back ?) And whilst I applaud the concept of educational nature park establishments, I'm not quite sure how it is perceived as a gateway to the National Park... are there not a few miles and a town or two in the way!!! Surely there must be an alternative use for this site that is more user efficient and economically productive! (and NO! not a static travellers encampment...)[/p][/quote]It is adjacent to the National Park boundary. s_james
  • Score: 2

9:41am Tue 24 Jun 14

makoshark says...

Thank you, I stand corrected regarding the National Park reach...
Thank you, I stand corrected regarding the National Park reach... makoshark
  • Score: 1

10:28am Tue 24 Jun 14

john newman says...

Main job to keep travellers off it
Main job to keep travellers off it john newman
  • Score: 6

10:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

Ovingdean Green says...

SNAFU - all of the above riddled with inaccuracies.
The volunteer led Beacon Hub project was instigated by Friends of Beacon Hill, but is administratively seperate. The golf course land will be absorbed as part of the nature reserve but will allow the space for public utility dog walking etcetra) with shorter grass as at present - effectively a public park. Figures quoted are wildly innacurate. The golf course land and building are certainly within the national park boundary.
There is potential to do great good here both for the community and the natural environment whilst also being self sustaining. 'User efficient and economically productive'? Must the whole world be run like BMW or VAG?
SNAFU - all of the above riddled with inaccuracies. The volunteer led Beacon Hub project was instigated by Friends of Beacon Hill, but is administratively seperate. The golf course land will be absorbed as part of the nature reserve but will allow the space for public utility dog walking etcetra) with shorter grass as at present - effectively a public park. Figures quoted are wildly innacurate. The golf course land and building are certainly within the national park boundary. There is potential to do great good here both for the community and the natural environment whilst also being self sustaining. 'User efficient and economically productive'? Must the whole world be run like BMW or VAG? Ovingdean Green
  • Score: 4

11:33am Tue 24 Jun 14

makoshark says...

Ovingdean Green wrote:
SNAFU - all of the above riddled with inaccuracies.
The volunteer led Beacon Hub project was instigated by Friends of Beacon Hill, but is administratively seperate. The golf course land will be absorbed as part of the nature reserve but will allow the space for public utility dog walking etcetra) with shorter grass as at present - effectively a public park. Figures quoted are wildly innacurate. The golf course land and building are certainly within the national park boundary.
There is potential to do great good here both for the community and the natural environment whilst also being self sustaining. 'User efficient and economically productive'? Must the whole world be run like BMW or VAG?
If the alternative is inefficiency and an economical drain upon the local population then Yes! BMW or VAG any day of the week...
[quote][p][bold]Ovingdean Green[/bold] wrote: SNAFU - all of the above riddled with inaccuracies. The volunteer led Beacon Hub project was instigated by Friends of Beacon Hill, but is administratively seperate. The golf course land will be absorbed as part of the nature reserve but will allow the space for public utility dog walking etcetra) with shorter grass as at present - effectively a public park. Figures quoted are wildly innacurate. The golf course land and building are certainly within the national park boundary. There is potential to do great good here both for the community and the natural environment whilst also being self sustaining. 'User efficient and economically productive'? Must the whole world be run like BMW or VAG?[/p][/quote]If the alternative is inefficiency and an economical drain upon the local population then Yes! BMW or VAG any day of the week... makoshark
  • Score: 1

11:39am Tue 24 Jun 14

Alison Smith says...

The Pitch & Putt course was no doubt vacant because the rent was too high. Taking away this amenity in Rottingdean is a mistake.
The Pitch & Putt course was no doubt vacant because the rent was too high. Taking away this amenity in Rottingdean is a mistake. Alison Smith
  • Score: 11

12:30pm Tue 24 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

Another lost sports facility for the city.

If the council had proposed a more suitable rental level, an operator would probably have been found.

Did the council really take 50k a year from it?
Another lost sports facility for the city. If the council had proposed a more suitable rental level, an operator would probably have been found. Did the council really take 50k a year from it? PoolPassage
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Tue 24 Jun 14

gheese77 says...

PoolPassage wrote:
Another lost sports facility for the city.

If the council had proposed a more suitable rental level, an operator would probably have been found.

Did the council really take 50k a year from it?
It was pretty expensive to play there. There alternative golf facilities that offer better value
[quote][p][bold]PoolPassage[/bold] wrote: Another lost sports facility for the city. If the council had proposed a more suitable rental level, an operator would probably have been found. Did the council really take 50k a year from it?[/p][/quote]It was pretty expensive to play there. There alternative golf facilities that offer better value gheese77
  • Score: 3

3:43pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Ovingdean Green says...

...as I said - self sustaining - no drain on the local population whatsoever.
...as I said - self sustaining - no drain on the local population whatsoever. Ovingdean Green
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Clive Bonny says...

£50k pa rent was being asked but not paid so that's not lost income. Golf attracted about 30 players per week. Without the golf balls and without a commercial operator charging taxpayers for usage the Hill now has 350 people per week of all ages and abilities getting a healthy walk. Local volunteer groups have now offered to create an outdoor education classroom for over 3000 local youngsters every year to learn about environmental conservation. That creates jobs and income in the community. Employers want those skills. Young people want useful and interesting jobs. The schools want the cabin. QED
£50k pa rent was being asked but not paid so that's not lost income. Golf attracted about 30 players per week. Without the golf balls and without a commercial operator charging taxpayers for usage the Hill now has 350 people per week of all ages and abilities getting a healthy walk. Local volunteer groups have now offered to create an outdoor education classroom for over 3000 local youngsters every year to learn about environmental conservation. That creates jobs and income in the community. Employers want those skills. Young people want useful and interesting jobs. The schools want the cabin. QED Clive Bonny
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Tue 24 Jun 14

makoshark says...

Clive Bonny wrote:
£50k pa rent was being asked but not paid so that's not lost income. Golf attracted about 30 players per week. Without the golf balls and without a commercial operator charging taxpayers for usage the Hill now has 350 people per week of all ages and abilities getting a healthy walk. Local volunteer groups have now offered to create an outdoor education classroom for over 3000 local youngsters every year to learn about environmental conservation. That creates jobs and income in the community. Employers want those skills. Young people want useful and interesting jobs. The schools want the cabin. QED
"The site had previously yielded the council an income of almost £50,000"

So its not what was being asked but what was previously yielded! and why do these people enjoying such a healthy walk require all of the ground? Why not allocate a path through this small patch of land to the larger expanse beyond that is I believe pasture land at present... This happens on many existing full golf courses and seems to work! Plus setting the rental at a sensible level to maintain an existing sports facility would also produce positive cash flow to the council, albeit not at the ridiculous amount previously stated, which in turn would enable lower charges which in turn would allow many more of the areas (younger and older) golfers to practice affordably on a good little par 3 course... The only one of its type in the area !....
[quote][p][bold]Clive Bonny[/bold] wrote: £50k pa rent was being asked but not paid so that's not lost income. Golf attracted about 30 players per week. Without the golf balls and without a commercial operator charging taxpayers for usage the Hill now has 350 people per week of all ages and abilities getting a healthy walk. Local volunteer groups have now offered to create an outdoor education classroom for over 3000 local youngsters every year to learn about environmental conservation. That creates jobs and income in the community. Employers want those skills. Young people want useful and interesting jobs. The schools want the cabin. QED[/p][/quote]"The site had previously yielded the council an income of almost £50,000" So its not what was being asked but what was previously yielded! and why do these people enjoying such a healthy walk require all of the ground? Why not allocate a path through this small patch of land to the larger expanse beyond that is I believe pasture land at present... This happens on many existing full golf courses and seems to work! Plus setting the rental at a sensible level to maintain an existing sports facility would also produce positive cash flow to the council, albeit not at the ridiculous amount previously stated, which in turn would enable lower charges which in turn would allow many more of the areas (younger and older) golfers to practice affordably on a good little par 3 course... The only one of its type in the area !.... makoshark
  • Score: -2

7:23pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Clive Bonny says...

Dear MakoShark
To restore the 18 disused greens will cost over £150,000. The grounds MUST HAVE maintenance of £30,000 pa. just for water. This alone was untenable to tenants who DID NOT PAY. That's why the community cannot afford it! Saltdean Golf course went belly up too. The new proposal saves those wasted water costs by extending the nature reserve. That preserves rare species and improves healthy lives.
The bigger picture is not the grassland but the education hub. We still have a substantial unemployment problem. We have employers needing skills the classroom will create. If you like golf as I do then travel 3 minutes to Roedean. On the current proposal the community and the council have their priorities right.
Education and employment vs golf?
No contest!
Dear MakoShark To restore the 18 disused greens will cost over £150,000. The grounds MUST HAVE maintenance of £30,000 pa. just for water. This alone was untenable to tenants who DID NOT PAY. That's why the community cannot afford it! Saltdean Golf course went belly up too. The new proposal saves those wasted water costs by extending the nature reserve. That preserves rare species and improves healthy lives. The bigger picture is not the grassland but the education hub. We still have a substantial unemployment problem. We have employers needing skills the classroom will create. If you like golf as I do then travel 3 minutes to Roedean. On the current proposal the community and the council have their priorities right. Education and employment vs golf? No contest! Clive Bonny
  • Score: 4

9:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

makoshark says...

A fair and reasoned argument upon the reinstatement costs and ongoing maintenance charges to which I accept and thank you for the information.
A fair and reasoned argument upon the reinstatement costs and ongoing maintenance charges to which I accept and thank you for the information. makoshark
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

If its for the community I'm all for it...in today's climate we need to educate everyone on the importance of caring for the environment and equally care of self...and what better way than caring for self mentally and physically than walking on a beautiful piece of land dedicated to community and then on to a nature reserve dedicated to nature...brighton and lewes have just won the biosphere bid a world wide project that recognises the importance of nature at its fundamental best and how we (human-beings) should link with it , nature and community = harmony...give it a chance, you never know you might actually like it!
If its for the community I'm all for it...in today's climate we need to educate everyone on the importance of caring for the environment and equally care of self...and what better way than caring for self mentally and physically than walking on a beautiful piece of land dedicated to community and then on to a nature reserve dedicated to nature...brighton and lewes have just won the biosphere bid a world wide project that recognises the importance of nature at its fundamental best and how we (human-beings) should link with it , nature and community = harmony...give it a chance, you never know you might actually like it! Natures friend
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

Clive Bonny wrote:
Dear MakoShark
To restore the 18 disused greens will cost over £150,000. The grounds MUST HAVE maintenance of £30,000 pa. just for water. This alone was untenable to tenants who DID NOT PAY. That's why the community cannot afford it! Saltdean Golf course went belly up too. The new proposal saves those wasted water costs by extending the nature reserve. That preserves rare species and improves healthy lives.
The bigger picture is not the grassland but the education hub. We still have a substantial unemployment problem. We have employers needing skills the classroom will create. If you like golf as I do then travel 3 minutes to Roedean. On the current proposal the community and the council have their priorities right.
Education and employment vs golf?
No contest!
Not only does it save water costs...but saves water...an extremely precious commodity...i agree that education&employment wins over a 18 hole pitch&putt
[quote][p][bold]Clive Bonny[/bold] wrote: Dear MakoShark To restore the 18 disused greens will cost over £150,000. The grounds MUST HAVE maintenance of £30,000 pa. just for water. This alone was untenable to tenants who DID NOT PAY. That's why the community cannot afford it! Saltdean Golf course went belly up too. The new proposal saves those wasted water costs by extending the nature reserve. That preserves rare species and improves healthy lives. The bigger picture is not the grassland but the education hub. We still have a substantial unemployment problem. We have employers needing skills the classroom will create. If you like golf as I do then travel 3 minutes to Roedean. On the current proposal the community and the council have their priorities right. Education and employment vs golf? No contest![/p][/quote]Not only does it save water costs...but saves water...an extremely precious commodity...i agree that education&employment wins over a 18 hole pitch&putt Natures friend
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Wed 25 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

There's some wild figures banded about in that article and these comments!

30k for water? 150k for green restoration? Nonsense.

Anyway, as someone suggested above - the two purposes could easily be combined. Walkers will want to walk north away from the course. There are already pathways towards St Dunstans.

Both 'purposes' could share the building too.

Still, its easy for B&H to wash its hands of it this way...
There's some wild figures banded about in that article and these comments! 30k for water? 150k for green restoration? Nonsense. Anyway, as someone suggested above - the two purposes could easily be combined. Walkers will want to walk north away from the course. There are already pathways towards St Dunstans. Both 'purposes' could share the building too. Still, its easy for B&H to wash its hands of it this way... PoolPassage
  • Score: 0

9:21am Thu 26 Jun 14

Clive Bonny says...

Hi Pool Passage
I've actually seen the lease terms and costs but if you wish to verify these figures just call the Council or the previous tenant who now runs Roedean Pitch and Putt. If you think golf balls, dog walkers and young kids mix well you can call any golf course in the world.
Hi Pool Passage I've actually seen the lease terms and costs but if you wish to verify these figures just call the Council or the previous tenant who now runs Roedean Pitch and Putt. If you think golf balls, dog walkers and young kids mix well you can call any golf course in the world. Clive Bonny
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Thu 26 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

ha ha

I know, for a fact, the 50k rent figure is wrong. The 30k water figure is also wrong but I understand you are keen for this not to be Pitch & Putt so will put forward any old figures.

Anyway, I wish you (sincerley) the very best of luck restoring that club house into some sort of 'eco hub'. Just don't expect me, a tax B&H council tax payer, to subsidise this in anyway
ha ha I know, for a fact, the 50k rent figure is wrong. The 30k water figure is also wrong but I understand you are keen for this not to be Pitch & Putt so will put forward any old figures. Anyway, I wish you (sincerley) the very best of luck restoring that club house into some sort of 'eco hub'. Just don't expect me, a tax B&H council tax payer, to subsidise this in anyway PoolPassage
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Ovingdean Green says...

Mr Passage - having worked with Mr Bonny and other volunteers on the Beacon Hub project for almost a year now with a shared vision of a facility to benefit all sections of the community, I can testify to his honesty and integrity. Anybody with an understanding of how businesses works can look at the figures and see why the pitch and putt course failed. If yourself and the handful of other 'golfers' had organised yourselves and put forward a sustainable business plan to the city council, perhaps there would be no need for you to tread your sour grapes in public. We won't be asking you for a penny.
I too used to enjoy playing golf on the course, but am happy to forsake this occasional pleasure for the greater good and play at Roedean (not a million miles) instead.
Mr Passage - having worked with Mr Bonny and other volunteers on the Beacon Hub project for almost a year now with a shared vision of a facility to benefit all sections of the community, I can testify to his honesty and integrity. Anybody with an understanding of how businesses works can look at the figures and see why the pitch and putt course failed. If yourself and the handful of other 'golfers' had organised yourselves and put forward a sustainable business plan to the city council, perhaps there would be no need for you to tread your sour grapes in public. We won't be asking you for a penny. I too used to enjoy playing golf on the course, but am happy to forsake this occasional pleasure for the greater good and play at Roedean (not a million miles) instead. Ovingdean Green
  • Score: 3

7:28am Fri 27 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

I've never hit a golf ball in my life!

I've also not questioned Mr Bonny's integrity or honesty.

Anyway, good luck with the project and good luck securing the site

Also - Mrs Passage please....
I've never hit a golf ball in my life! I've also not questioned Mr Bonny's integrity or honesty. Anyway, good luck with the project and good luck securing the site Also - Mrs Passage please.... PoolPassage
  • Score: 0

8:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

PoolPassage wrote:
There's some wild figures banded about in that article and these comments!

30k for water? 150k for green restoration? Nonsense.

Anyway, as someone suggested above - the two purposes could easily be combined. Walkers will want to walk north away from the course. There are already pathways towards St Dunstans.

Both 'purposes' could share the building too.

Still, its easy for B&H to wash its hands of it this way...
Are you wanting to start up and run a pitch and putt golf course? I have met the previous owner and also recognise that his business was seriously unsustainable. The figures that you state are unrealistic are in the public arena, so you can access them if you chose to. The new project opens the space up to a variety of users instead of the few select golfers. Sharing the space is totally impractical, the mix of golf balls, golf players, school groups and community groups would end in disaster! Frisbee golf perhaps...The building in its current state is also totally unfit for as you propose a 'share'...BHCC are not washing there hands of it, they are supporting and involving themselves in what many people (700+ and growing) believe to be a fantastic innovative and unique opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]PoolPassage[/bold] wrote: There's some wild figures banded about in that article and these comments! 30k for water? 150k for green restoration? Nonsense. Anyway, as someone suggested above - the two purposes could easily be combined. Walkers will want to walk north away from the course. There are already pathways towards St Dunstans. Both 'purposes' could share the building too. Still, its easy for B&H to wash its hands of it this way...[/p][/quote]Are you wanting to start up and run a pitch and putt golf course? I have met the previous owner and also recognise that his business was seriously unsustainable. The figures that you state are unrealistic are in the public arena, so you can access them if you chose to. The new project opens the space up to a variety of users instead of the few select golfers. Sharing the space is totally impractical, the mix of golf balls, golf players, school groups and community groups would end in disaster! Frisbee golf perhaps...The building in its current state is also totally unfit for as you propose a 'share'...BHCC are not washing there hands of it, they are supporting and involving themselves in what many people (700+ and growing) believe to be a fantastic innovative and unique opportunity. Natures friend
  • Score: 0

8:41am Fri 27 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

No. I don't like Golf. Just pointing out the wild figures glibly thrown about.

Please point me in the direction of the 50k rent, 150k Green restoration and 30k water. Internet links please.

I agree it probably wasn't economical - it it was, it would still be open.
No. I don't like Golf. Just pointing out the wild figures glibly thrown about. Please point me in the direction of the 50k rent, 150k Green restoration and 30k water. Internet links please. I agree it probably wasn't economical - it it was, it would still be open. PoolPassage
  • Score: 0

8:49am Fri 27 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

PoolPassage wrote:
ha ha

I know, for a fact, the 50k rent figure is wrong. The 30k water figure is also wrong but I understand you are keen for this not to be Pitch & Putt so will put forward any old figures.

Anyway, I wish you (sincerley) the very best of luck restoring that club house into some sort of 'eco hub'. Just don't expect me, a tax B&H council tax payer, to subsidise this in anyway
The fact still stands that to run a golf course uses up a huge amount of water and this is not a commodity that we have a huge amount of...here in the SE we have regular droughts and even though now we appear to have a plentiful supply if you research it we are in fact at a water scarcity level...the hub will educate every generation on how to protect this precious environment for everyones future, how to save water & manage water...not just that but its about community, local and wider...not just about a select few - golfers...
As far as subsidising it, Im sure the hub will have secured and ongoing finances that will mean that you as an individual will not have to offer any funds...so you may rest easy. On a personal note its really sad that a pitch and putt failed and that the current golf course along the coast suffers too due a lack of footfall and interest, it only survives due to its cafe. It is also sad that you are so upset by the proposed Beacon Hub. But thanks for the chat.
[quote][p][bold]PoolPassage[/bold] wrote: ha ha I know, for a fact, the 50k rent figure is wrong. The 30k water figure is also wrong but I understand you are keen for this not to be Pitch & Putt so will put forward any old figures. Anyway, I wish you (sincerley) the very best of luck restoring that club house into some sort of 'eco hub'. Just don't expect me, a tax B&H council tax payer, to subsidise this in anyway[/p][/quote]The fact still stands that to run a golf course uses up a huge amount of water and this is not a commodity that we have a huge amount of...here in the SE we have regular droughts and even though now we appear to have a plentiful supply if you research it we are in fact at a water scarcity level...the hub will educate every generation on how to protect this precious environment for everyones future, how to save water & manage water...not just that but its about community, local and wider...not just about a select few - golfers... As far as subsidising it, Im sure the hub will have secured and ongoing finances that will mean that you as an individual will not have to offer any funds...so you may rest easy. On a personal note its really sad that a pitch and putt failed and that the current golf course along the coast suffers too due a lack of footfall and interest, it only survives due to its cafe. It is also sad that you are so upset by the proposed Beacon Hub. But thanks for the chat. Natures friend
  • Score: 0

8:54am Fri 27 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

PoolPassage wrote:
No. I don't like Golf. Just pointing out the wild figures glibly thrown about.

Please point me in the direction of the 50k rent, 150k Green restoration and 30k water. Internet links please.

I agree it probably wasn't economical - it it was, it would still be open.
Call B&H council, speak to previous owners at Roedean pitch and putt and ask another local golf course how much it cost to reinstate greens etc...
[quote][p][bold]PoolPassage[/bold] wrote: No. I don't like Golf. Just pointing out the wild figures glibly thrown about. Please point me in the direction of the 50k rent, 150k Green restoration and 30k water. Internet links please. I agree it probably wasn't economical - it it was, it would still be open.[/p][/quote]Call B&H council, speak to previous owners at Roedean pitch and putt and ask another local golf course how much it cost to reinstate greens etc... Natures friend
  • Score: 0

9:03am Fri 27 Jun 14

PoolPassage says...

Ah, as I thought - 'someone said'
Ah, as I thought - 'someone said' PoolPassage
  • Score: 1

9:20am Fri 27 Jun 14

Natures friend says...

PoolPassage wrote:
Ah, as I thought - 'someone said'
Not at all, you assumptions are incorrect ...you can ask them to e mail you the figures and then know for yourself...
[quote][p][bold]PoolPassage[/bold] wrote: Ah, as I thought - 'someone said'[/p][/quote]Not at all, you assumptions are incorrect ...you can ask them to e mail you the figures and then know for yourself... Natures friend
  • Score: 0

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