Campaign to save historic pub hots up

Campaign to save historic pub hots up

Campaign to save historic pub hots up

First published in News

The future of a historic pub will be discussed at an upcoming meeting.

A public meeting has been arranged on Thursday at 7.30pm at the Calvary Church in Viaduct Road in Brighton to discuss the future of the 144-year-old Rose Hill Tavern.

A local action group met the new owners of the pub earlier this month and learnt that it is proposed to convert the site back into two houses but leave the distinctive green tiling and original doors on the property.

The action group has tabled several proposals, which they believe could save the pub as a community venue and further discussions are expected in the coming weeks.

The pub was granted asset of community value status in May giving residents the opportunity to raise £350,000 to try and buy the property.

An online survey gathering views on the pub and its role in the community can be found at s.on-device.com/w/RUf.

 

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9:14am Tue 24 Jun 14

rogerthefish says...

was a great pub, but clearly the punters didn't enough maybe because the prices are higher than drinking at home-we need the abolition of taxes on kegs and or removal of crippling business rates of pubs outside town centers so punters can socialise in places like this as this is what made this country great.

Unfortunately facef*ck has ruined this, and sadly I can't see the tend changing.

Any cheers to one and all.
was a great pub, but clearly the punters didn't enough maybe because the prices are higher than drinking at home-we need the abolition of taxes on kegs and or removal of crippling business rates of pubs outside town centers so punters can socialise in places like this as this is what made this country great. Unfortunately facef*ck has ruined this, and sadly I can't see the tend changing. Any cheers to one and all. rogerthefish
  • Score: 0

9:34am Tue 24 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

The only way this pub has any chance of survival is to get it out of the hands of Enterprise Inns who currently own the freehold. They will screw as much rent out of the place as they can to the detriment of any licensee. Because the pub is "tied" on the beer and other products that it can buy, Enterprise charge what they like, well over the odds, and the pub will never be competitive on price as it has to make enough profit on products on top of what Enterprise charge. Enterprise argue that a lower rent is reflected in the beer prices. This is not true. Rents are high. Beer prices are high. Don't forget, on a Full Tie which is probably what the pub has been on, a licensee has to buy ALL products from Enterprise - beer, wine, spirits, soft drinks, crisps, nuts etc. all at inflated prices. Eg: a barrel of Guinness from the cash and carry = approx £120. A barrel of Guinness from Enterprise = £180. Do the maths.
The pub has to become a freehold, free of tie pub.
The only way this pub has any chance of survival is to get it out of the hands of Enterprise Inns who currently own the freehold. They will screw as much rent out of the place as they can to the detriment of any licensee. Because the pub is "tied" on the beer and other products that it can buy, Enterprise charge what they like, well over the odds, and the pub will never be competitive on price as it has to make enough profit on products on top of what Enterprise charge. Enterprise argue that a lower rent is reflected in the beer prices. This is not true. Rents are high. Beer prices are high. Don't forget, on a Full Tie which is probably what the pub has been on, a licensee has to buy ALL products from Enterprise - beer, wine, spirits, soft drinks, crisps, nuts etc. all at inflated prices. Eg: a barrel of Guinness from the cash and carry = approx £120. A barrel of Guinness from Enterprise = £180. Do the maths. The pub has to become a freehold, free of tie pub. Max Ripple
  • Score: 23

11:03am Tue 24 Jun 14

ruberducker says...

You have taken away the dart boards,poool tables,juke box,snacks on the bar..no smoking...and then charge 4quid or there abouts for a pint-which gou can get in any old shop for just over a quid- and then wonder why no one goez to the pubs anymore
You have taken away the dart boards,poool tables,juke box,snacks on the bar..no smoking...and then charge 4quid or there abouts for a pint-which gou can get in any old shop for just over a quid- and then wonder why no one goez to the pubs anymore ruberducker
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Tue 24 Jun 14

sussexfoz says...

Enterprise inns not very enterprising for the tenant
Enterprise inns not very enterprising for the tenant sussexfoz
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Tue 24 Jun 14

jay316 says...

ruberducker wrote:
You have taken away the dart boards,poool tables,juke box,snacks on the bar..no smoking...and then charge 4quid or there abouts for a pint-which gou can get in any old shop for just over a quid- and then wonder why no one goez to the pubs anymore
No longer owed by Enterprise, they dumped it own the new owners despite it being listed as an ACV.

As others have said its an enterprise venue, and tied. Thus why beer was expensive.

Last day of trading there was Dart boards available. As for no smoking, this is a national ban, not just this venue. Not a fan of pool tables, or jukeboxes.
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: You have taken away the dart boards,poool tables,juke box,snacks on the bar..no smoking...and then charge 4quid or there abouts for a pint-which gou can get in any old shop for just over a quid- and then wonder why no one goez to the pubs anymore[/p][/quote]No longer owed by Enterprise, they dumped it own the new owners despite it being listed as an ACV. As others have said its an enterprise venue, and tied. Thus why beer was expensive. Last day of trading there was Dart boards available. As for no smoking, this is a national ban, not just this venue. Not a fan of pool tables, or jukeboxes. jay316
  • Score: 1

3:54pm Tue 24 Jun 14

NickBrt says...

Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it?
Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it? NickBrt
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Tue 24 Jun 14

jimthedoorman says...

NickBrt wrote:
Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it?
It was open to all as it had been since the landladies took it over. I'm sorry I can't remember the drag queen's name but she was hilarious.
And yes, I'm in the picture as well wearing the JD t-shirt. Such a lovely day, but also a sad one as this was their closing party.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it?[/p][/quote]It was open to all as it had been since the landladies took it over. I'm sorry I can't remember the drag queen's name but she was hilarious. And yes, I'm in the picture as well wearing the JD t-shirt. Such a lovely day, but also a sad one as this was their closing party. jimthedoorman
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Tue 24 Jun 14

nemenator says...

So some want Drag, others want cheap beer. What about a microbrewery? Or a supper club, theatre, poetry slam. This is all possible. All ideas will be considered at the public meeting at the Calvary Church next to the Fire Station at 7:30pm this Thursday.
So some want Drag, others want cheap beer. What about a microbrewery? Or a supper club, theatre, poetry slam. This is all possible. All ideas will be considered at the public meeting at the Calvary Church next to the Fire Station at 7:30pm this Thursday. nemenator
  • Score: 1

1:12am Wed 25 Jun 14

jumpingjouster says...

With the new student apartments opening up the Rose Hill should have a good future, price of beer aside, it seems daft to sell it off now. All of the above are great ideas although I have to say the pool table was always a big draw, love em or hate em, back in the day. I hope the community can persuade those with the power not to allow closure of another key community public house.
With the new student apartments opening up the Rose Hill should have a good future, price of beer aside, it seems daft to sell it off now. All of the above are great ideas although I have to say the pool table was always a big draw, love em or hate em, back in the day. I hope the community can persuade those with the power not to allow closure of another key community public house. jumpingjouster
  • Score: 1

11:32am Wed 25 Jun 14

Brighton Bill says...

No Pool Table or Juke Box required just good "Real Ale" at a decent fair price, a good atmosphere with nice owners and you have a hit on your hands. Been their got the teeshirt. Brighton Bill 3 x Camra "Pub of the Year" Pub Owner..
No Pool Table or Juke Box required just good "Real Ale" at a decent fair price, a good atmosphere with nice owners and you have a hit on your hands. Been their got the teeshirt. Brighton Bill 3 x Camra "Pub of the Year" Pub Owner.. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Wed 25 Jun 14

jimthedoorman says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
No Pool Table or Juke Box required just good "Real Ale" at a decent fair price, a good atmosphere with nice owners and you have a hit on your hands. Been their got the teeshirt. Brighton Bill 3 x Camra "Pub of the Year" Pub Owner..
The Welsh fella that worked there kept the ales just right. You'd have been impressed, I guarantee it. I do like my ales, but have been to so many other pubs that have ruined the experience for me by just not looking after it correctly.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: No Pool Table or Juke Box required just good "Real Ale" at a decent fair price, a good atmosphere with nice owners and you have a hit on your hands. Been their got the teeshirt. Brighton Bill 3 x Camra "Pub of the Year" Pub Owner..[/p][/quote]The Welsh fella that worked there kept the ales just right. You'd have been impressed, I guarantee it. I do like my ales, but have been to so many other pubs that have ruined the experience for me by just not looking after it correctly. jimthedoorman
  • Score: 1

2:19am Mon 30 Jun 14

jay316 says...

We.would still need to raise money to purchase the venue. Raising the amount needed is no small task.

new owners are not sure what they want to do yet. we can only keep the pressure up, object to any planning permission, help raise funds, so community can buy if and when.
We.would still need to raise money to purchase the venue. Raising the amount needed is no small task. new owners are not sure what they want to do yet. we can only keep the pressure up, object to any planning permission, help raise funds, so community can buy if and when. jay316
  • Score: 0

2:20am Mon 30 Jun 14

jay316 says...

NickBrt wrote:
Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it?
Sally Vate is the drag act.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Who's that drag queen? I didn't think it was a drag pub? Perhaps that will inject life into it?[/p][/quote]Sally Vate is the drag act. jay316
  • Score: 0

2:22am Mon 30 Jun 14

jay316 says...

jumpingjouster wrote:
With the new student apartments opening up the Rose Hill should have a good future, price of beer aside, it seems daft to sell it off now. All of the above are great ideas although I have to say the pool table was always a big draw, love em or hate em, back in the day. I hope the community can persuade those with the power not to allow closure of another key community public house.
Enterprise don't give a crap about students or public. They just want to kill off venues to sell them.

next will be smugglers and the greys.
[quote][p][bold]jumpingjouster[/bold] wrote: With the new student apartments opening up the Rose Hill should have a good future, price of beer aside, it seems daft to sell it off now. All of the above are great ideas although I have to say the pool table was always a big draw, love em or hate em, back in the day. I hope the community can persuade those with the power not to allow closure of another key community public house.[/p][/quote]Enterprise don't give a crap about students or public. They just want to kill off venues to sell them. next will be smugglers and the greys. jay316
  • Score: 0

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