Councillor under fire for soldier tweet

Ben Duncan

Councillor under fire for soldier tweet

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A GREEN councillor is under pressure to resign and has apologised after claiming a military parade brought “hired killers onto the streets”.

Ben Duncan, Brighton and Hove councillor for the Queen’s Park ward, tweeted the comment as the city remembered military heroes during Armed Forces Day on Sunday.

He said: “Armed Forces Day has certainly brought the hired killers onto the streets of #Brighton today. Hard to explain to my son!”

The remark sparked angry responses from hundreds of Twitter users who called him “spineless” and “ungrateful”.

War veterans and fellow politicians have called for his resignation from the council following the gaffe.

D-Day veteran Dean Hollis, 89, added: “It makes me feel aggravated, upset and insulted. We gave a lot for people like him. It’s a disgrace and he should apologise.

“He enjoys living in a civilised country because those he insulted put their lives down for him.”

Edward Bell, first officer at Irish Defence Forces Veterans UK, said: “He shouldn’t be a councillor. A councillor is someone who represents the people – including the armed forces.”

Caroline Lucas, Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, called on her party to discipline Mr Duncan if he did not immediately apologise.

He later obliged and said: “Apols for offence caused by tweet re soldiers on streets. Many will hav been remembering loved ones who died & was insensitive to their loss.”[sic] But Councillor Warren Morgan, leader of the Brighton and Hove Labour Group, said he should “resign and do so quickly”.

He added: “His comments are stupid and offensive, particularly when we are marking the anniversaries of D-Day and World War One.”

Jason Kitcat, leader of Brighton and Hove City Council, slammed Mr Duncan’s tweet as “disgraceful and offensive”.

A change.org petition has also been started calling for the councillor’s resignation. Geoffrey Theobald, leader of Brighton and Hove Conservatives, said: “This is just one more in a long line of ludicrous and offensive comments from him.

“He does not speak for the vast majority of residents in this city and I’m sure that most people would be glad to see the back of him.”

Mr Duncan faced calls to resign in 2012 after saying he only smoked cannabis when “murdering, raping and looting".

A Green Group spokeswoman said: “Councillor Duncan’s personal views do not reflect those of his colleagues.

“He has recognised the hurt he caused and publicly apologised for his comments. The Green Group is considering what, if any, further action will be taken.”

The Argus asked Mr Duncan for a comment but did not receive a response.

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7:15am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

So Duncan is STILL too much of a coward to speak to the press.

Sack him and sack him now !!!!!!!!
So Duncan is STILL too much of a coward to speak to the press. Sack him and sack him now !!!!!!!! Fight_Back
  • Score: 133

7:22am Tue 1 Jul 14

mnairb says...

If he finds it "Hard to explain to my son", perhaps he could try speaking to him in German....

'Councillor' Duncan's comments only go to reinforce the impression that the Greens are where the loony left went to when New Labour kicked them out.
If he finds it "Hard to explain to my son", perhaps he could try speaking to him in German.... 'Councillor' Duncan's comments only go to reinforce the impression that the Greens are where the loony left went to when New Labour kicked them out. mnairb
  • Score: 126

7:23am Tue 1 Jul 14

maxiboy_ says...

Unfortunately Britain has been plagued by home grown filth like him for a few decades now. They have an inane hate for their own nation and people; I loathe these ultra left-wing scabs.
Unfortunately Britain has been plagued by home grown filth like him for a few decades now. They have an inane hate for their own nation and people; I loathe these ultra left-wing scabs. maxiboy_
  • Score: 129

7:26am Tue 1 Jul 14

matlock says...

So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical? matlock
  • Score: -168

7:29am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
Errr ..... that we have an idiot treacherous Councillor supposedly representing the people of Brighton. You obviously haven't seen his previous public announcements either.
[quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]Errr ..... that we have an idiot treacherous Councillor supposedly representing the people of Brighton. You obviously haven't seen his previous public announcements either. Fight_Back
  • Score: 102

7:31am Tue 1 Jul 14

leftysmellbags says...

This man is weak and a coward, it is because of our soldiers that jelly men like him are able to speak their weak minded comments. I bet he would be the first to be a turncoat if he was captured by the enemy - or is his type the enemy.
This man is weak and a coward, it is because of our soldiers that jelly men like him are able to speak their weak minded comments. I bet he would be the first to be a turncoat if he was captured by the enemy - or is his type the enemy. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 91

7:38am Tue 1 Jul 14

scottishb;ue says...

Wish he would come and explain his comments in person to me ,this idiot says it's hard to explain to his son what these brave people do for their country and the sacrifice that they give,what school does his child go to that does not give history lessons
Wish he would come and explain his comments in person to me ,this idiot says it's hard to explain to his son what these brave people do for their country and the sacrifice that they give,what school does his child go to that does not give history lessons scottishb;ue
  • Score: 89

7:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries, they rescue hostages, some of whom are charity workers caught up in civil wars, they carry out air, sea and rescue work at home and during the floods protected homes from flood, they rescued vulnerable people, built emergency bridges etc.
What does Ben Duncan do? Tweet child-like teenage angst ridden comments from his armchair while claiming allowances which people in the forces have paid for.
You may know he Tweeted that a Christian school was a cult and that a female councillor was wearing a Swastika? Would he have done the same about a male councillor or Islamic schools? I doubt it. He is a nasty bigoted bully who clearly picks on anyone he knows will not fight back and who stirs up hatred, intolerance and bigotry. It really has no place in this town.
Go away Mr Duncan, you haven't don't anything useful since being elected. In fact you are plain lazy. Now hand back the allowances and give a councillor who will do a proper day's work a go. Tweeting childish messages isn't representing your ward or doing work.
The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries, they rescue hostages, some of whom are charity workers caught up in civil wars, they carry out air, sea and rescue work at home and during the floods protected homes from flood, they rescued vulnerable people, built emergency bridges etc. What does Ben Duncan do? Tweet child-like teenage angst ridden comments from his armchair while claiming allowances which people in the forces have paid for. You may know he Tweeted that a Christian school was a cult and that a female councillor was wearing a Swastika? Would he have done the same about a male councillor or Islamic schools? I doubt it. He is a nasty bigoted bully who clearly picks on anyone he knows will not fight back and who stirs up hatred, intolerance and bigotry. It really has no place in this town. Go away Mr Duncan, you haven't don't anything useful since being elected. In fact you are plain lazy. Now hand back the allowances and give a councillor who will do a proper day's work a go. Tweeting childish messages isn't representing your ward or doing work. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 153

8:09am Tue 1 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

The apology is irrelevant - we actually know what he really "thinks" by the first tweet.

Of course, he should have been expelled by the Greens already, or have resigned - but that's left wing politics for you. Unfortunately, we have lots of people with strange views here in Brighton, so doubt this will affect the Green vote. We really do need people to get out in large numbers at the next election to get rid of them forever.
The apology is irrelevant - we actually know what he really "thinks" by the first tweet. Of course, he should have been expelled by the Greens already, or have resigned - but that's left wing politics for you. Unfortunately, we have lots of people with strange views here in Brighton, so doubt this will affect the Green vote. We really do need people to get out in large numbers at the next election to get rid of them forever. Plantpot
  • Score: 88

8:15am Tue 1 Jul 14

Nosfaratu says...

Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy.
Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 62

8:19am Tue 1 Jul 14

Andy R says...

The limits of Twitter.....

Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters. Andy R
  • Score: 43

8:22am Tue 1 Jul 14

Goldenwight says...

I can't think of words (polite ones anyway) to describe this prat. Maybe HE should do a little military service- although perhaps not be trusted with firearms...
I can't think of words (polite ones anyway) to describe this prat. Maybe HE should do a little military service- although perhaps not be trusted with firearms... Goldenwight
  • Score: 59

8:24am Tue 1 Jul 14

homewood says...

Nasty piece of work. Disgraceful yobs like him hold any position of power or responsibility.
Nasty piece of work. Disgraceful yobs like him hold any position of power or responsibility. homewood
  • Score: 56

8:27am Tue 1 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

Yet another idiot on the Green Party comes up with a fatuous statement, but this one is obviously the most stupid of the lot. Not only is he arrogant, and, as already pointed out, a coward, but he is clearly totally ignorant of history. Maybe he is unaware that thousands of people sacrificed their lives protecting this country from an evil dictatorship in the last war, and that the freedom he and his family enjoy would never have taken place were it not for them. Maybe he should be directing his vitriol at some present day regimes where such freedom is unavailable to many of its citizens, and be grateful that we have members of a military force prepared to lay down their lives not only for our own people, but also for many suffering in other countries. A feeble apology is not enough. An expulsion is vital.
Yet another idiot on the Green Party comes up with a fatuous statement, but this one is obviously the most stupid of the lot. Not only is he arrogant, and, as already pointed out, a coward, but he is clearly totally ignorant of history. Maybe he is unaware that thousands of people sacrificed their lives protecting this country from an evil dictatorship in the last war, and that the freedom he and his family enjoy would never have taken place were it not for them. Maybe he should be directing his vitriol at some present day regimes where such freedom is unavailable to many of its citizens, and be grateful that we have members of a military force prepared to lay down their lives not only for our own people, but also for many suffering in other countries. A feeble apology is not enough. An expulsion is vital. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 55

8:28am Tue 1 Jul 14

Brighton90 says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy.
Move elsewhere? The man already freely admits he doesn't even live in Brighton and lives in London
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy.[/p][/quote]Move elsewhere? The man already freely admits he doesn't even live in Brighton and lives in London Brighton90
  • Score: 48

8:43am Tue 1 Jul 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Duncan has thanked all the people who agreed with him which indicates how much his "apology" is worth. He knew his comments would upset people which is why he made them.
Duncan has thanked all the people who agreed with him which indicates how much his "apology" is worth. He knew his comments would upset people which is why he made them. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 52

8:44am Tue 1 Jul 14

SussexInfidel01 says...

matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
Being a representative of the people of Brighton & Hove comes with responsibility and accountability. Councillor Duncan was very quick to condemn a St Brigids Cross as a swastika so karma back at ya Ben Duncan. Do the decent thing for once & resign!
[quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]Being a representative of the people of Brighton & Hove comes with responsibility and accountability. Councillor Duncan was very quick to condemn a St Brigids Cross as a swastika so karma back at ya Ben Duncan. Do the decent thing for once & resign! SussexInfidel01
  • Score: 53

8:50am Tue 1 Jul 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Another nail in the lid of the green coffin. The idiot has a 'surgery' at the Thornsdale community room on Albion Hill on the first Monday of the month 7.30 to 8:30, he might be busy at the next one
Another nail in the lid of the green coffin. The idiot has a 'surgery' at the Thornsdale community room on Albion Hill on the first Monday of the month 7.30 to 8:30, he might be busy at the next one Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 50

8:56am Tue 1 Jul 14

DC Brighton says...

I saw the soldiers on Saturday and found it very, very easy to explain to my three-year old son! I think the words good, people and heroes were used.

"Apols" hardly sounds like a heartfelt apology. He summed-up his actual view in his first tweet. Do we want that kind of idiot anywhere near our council? Of course not.
I saw the soldiers on Saturday and found it very, very easy to explain to my three-year old son! I think the words good, people and heroes were used. "Apols" hardly sounds like a heartfelt apology. He summed-up his actual view in his first tweet. Do we want that kind of idiot anywhere near our council? Of course not. DC Brighton
  • Score: 57

8:58am Tue 1 Jul 14

twica12 says...

I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots
I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots twica12
  • Score: 44

9:03am Tue 1 Jul 14

clarkebrighton says...

Ben Duncan is a Vile Scumbag and should be Sacked and NOW, there
was many People who attended Armed Forces Day Parade on Sat who have Lost Friends and Loved One's. A simple apology from this Vile Idiot
is NOT Good enough, If he had a Backbone he would RESIGN NOW.
Ben Duncan is a Vile Scumbag and should be Sacked and NOW, there was many People who attended Armed Forces Day Parade on Sat who have Lost Friends and Loved One's. A simple apology from this Vile Idiot is NOT Good enough, If he had a Backbone he would RESIGN NOW. clarkebrighton
  • Score: 54

9:11am Tue 1 Jul 14

charlie smirke says...

The scarey part is, this unspeakable person is in a position of some authority, what have we let into our home town? His son wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the "hired killers" I wonder what weird version of events he did tell his son??
The scarey part is, this unspeakable person is in a position of some authority, what have we let into our home town? His son wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the "hired killers" I wonder what weird version of events he did tell his son?? charlie smirke
  • Score: 39

9:11am Tue 1 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

clarkebrighton wrote:
Ben Duncan is a Vile Scumbag and should be Sacked and NOW, there
was many People who attended Armed Forces Day Parade on Sat who have Lost Friends and Loved One's. A simple apology from this Vile Idiot
is NOT Good enough, If he had a Backbone he would RESIGN NOW.
He is a serial scumbag with a lack of civic respect and decency, and he should be forced by his party of fellow low lifes to resign!
[quote][p][bold]clarkebrighton[/bold] wrote: Ben Duncan is a Vile Scumbag and should be Sacked and NOW, there was many People who attended Armed Forces Day Parade on Sat who have Lost Friends and Loved One's. A simple apology from this Vile Idiot is NOT Good enough, If he had a Backbone he would RESIGN NOW.[/p][/quote]He is a serial scumbag with a lack of civic respect and decency, and he should be forced by his party of fellow low lifes to resign! ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 45

9:12am Tue 1 Jul 14

NickBtn says...

Councillor Duncan's apology looks insincere and this is hardly the first time he has caused offence with his tweets

The green party needs to act against this repeat offender. He is embarrassing to Brighton and, from the comments of Caroline Lucas and Jason Kitkat, to them too.

The green party should remove him from their party or they should publicly admonish and remove council responsibilities/com
mittee posts
Councillor Duncan's apology looks insincere and this is hardly the first time he has caused offence with his tweets The green party needs to act against this repeat offender. He is embarrassing to Brighton and, from the comments of Caroline Lucas and Jason Kitkat, to them too. The green party should remove him from their party or they should publicly admonish and remove council responsibilities/com mittee posts NickBtn
  • Score: 52

9:13am Tue 1 Jul 14

NickBrt says...

This total cretin must go now. If as posted above he doesn't even live in Brighton that's even mroe contempt he shows for Brighton residents. Even the greens deserv e better than him. What use is this moron to anyone at all except his own over inflated ego?
This total cretin must go now. If as posted above he doesn't even live in Brighton that's even mroe contempt he shows for Brighton residents. Even the greens deserv e better than him. What use is this moron to anyone at all except his own over inflated ego? NickBrt
  • Score: 41

9:15am Tue 1 Jul 14

Morpheus says...

homewood wrote:
Nasty piece of work. Disgraceful yobs like him hold any position of power or responsibility.
I blame the people who voted for him!
[quote][p][bold]homewood[/bold] wrote: Nasty piece of work. Disgraceful yobs like him hold any position of power or responsibility.[/p][/quote]I blame the people who voted for him! Morpheus
  • Score: 41

9:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

Valerie Paynter says...

matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
[quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them? Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -44

9:18am Tue 1 Jul 14

worthingite says...

Fight_Back wrote:
So Duncan is STILL too much of a coward to speak to the press.

Sack him and sack him now !!!!!!!!
Well the Argus never give a quote when asked about job cuts at the paper so fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: So Duncan is STILL too much of a coward to speak to the press. Sack him and sack him now !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well the Argus never give a quote when asked about job cuts at the paper so fair enough. worthingite
  • Score: -6

9:23am Tue 1 Jul 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Andy R wrote:
The limits of Twitter.....

Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.[/p][/quote]Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 38

9:34am Tue 1 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free.
Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now.

I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now!
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free. Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now. I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now! Max Ripple
  • Score: 41

9:45am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
The limits of Twitter.....

Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
Agreed. Let's also remember that he 'claims' it was a discussion with his son. It might be prudent to actually speak to his son face to face rather than via Twitter. #badfather
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Let's also remember that he 'claims' it was a discussion with his son. It might be prudent to actually speak to his son face to face rather than via Twitter. #badfather Fight_Back
  • Score: 30

9:50am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Oh dear Valerie - floating voter here with no party connections. How wrong can you be ? Well not quite as wrong as Duncan.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Valerie - floating voter here with no party connections. How wrong can you be ? Well not quite as wrong as Duncan. Fight_Back
  • Score: 28

9:59am Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Whilst I profoundly disagree with what Duncan wrote, as usual, I support his freedom to say whatever offensive comments he chooses.

Many thousands of people will also agree with his comments about our soldiers, and the old saying goes: " Just because you are offended it doesn't make you right"...or something like that.

Over the past 40 years, it has become a crime to upset people. This has to change.
Whilst I profoundly disagree with what Duncan wrote, as usual, I support his freedom to say whatever offensive comments he chooses. Many thousands of people will also agree with his comments about our soldiers, and the old saying goes: " Just because you are offended it doesn't make you right"...or something like that. Over the past 40 years, it has become a crime to upset people. This has to change. stevo!!
  • Score: -13

10:06am Tue 1 Jul 14

SussexInfidel01 says...

twica12 wrote:
I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots
Students mostly!
[quote][p][bold]twica12[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots[/p][/quote]Students mostly! SussexInfidel01
  • Score: 25

10:07am Tue 1 Jul 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free.
Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now.

I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now!
Normal people make their points - a you have largely done here - without resort to extreme, vicious and shouty language. Most of the comments behind both this article and the original one are so violent they can be seen for what they are: opportunistic politicking and whipping each other to hysteria. They are out of control attack-dog screechings that fail to honour the very people they purport to defend: the armed forces.

And the incessant trolling puts most people off commenting here. Perhaps it is why there are no comment options behind another local newspaper's new website.

I have not "really lost it now". Get a gip so you don't either.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free. Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now. I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now![/p][/quote]Normal people make their points - a you have largely done here - without resort to extreme, vicious and shouty language. Most of the comments behind both this article and the original one are so violent they can be seen for what they are: opportunistic politicking and whipping each other to hysteria. They are out of control attack-dog screechings that fail to honour the very people they purport to defend: the armed forces. And the incessant trolling puts most people off commenting here. Perhaps it is why there are no comment options behind another local newspaper's new website. I have not "really lost it now". Get a gip so you don't either. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: -29

10:08am Tue 1 Jul 14

Mr P Brown says...

Interesting to see that there are no comments from Jarrs, Brownose et al I assume it means the party are distancing them selves from him. The smell of defeat is thick in the air
Interesting to see that there are no comments from Jarrs, Brownose et al I assume it means the party are distancing them selves from him. The smell of defeat is thick in the air Mr P Brown
  • Score: 32

10:20am Tue 1 Jul 14

Bugzy84 says...

It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly.
This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage.
He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.
It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly. This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage. He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely. Bugzy84
  • Score: 28

10:22am Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly.
This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage.
He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.
And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly. This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage. He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.[/p][/quote]And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed? stevo!!
  • Score: -21

10:23am Tue 1 Jul 14

woodcroft says...

Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee.
please do this today
Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee. please do this today woodcroft
  • Score: 38

10:26am Tue 1 Jul 14

Frank28 says...

If you're not prepared to die for your country, then you are unfit to lead it. I can't see Mr Duncan making any type of sacrifice. Stupid people shouldn't get involved with politics.
If you're not prepared to die for your country, then you are unfit to lead it. I can't see Mr Duncan making any type of sacrifice. Stupid people shouldn't get involved with politics. Frank28
  • Score: 28

10:30am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

woodcroft wrote:
Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee.
please do this today
To get this to happen more people need to use the "Complain about a councillor" service on the council website.
[quote][p][bold]woodcroft[/bold] wrote: Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee. please do this today[/p][/quote]To get this to happen more people need to use the "Complain about a councillor" service on the council website. Fight_Back
  • Score: 25

10:32am Tue 1 Jul 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Andy R wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail.
Duncan is an experienced Councillor, Press Officer and former Head of Equalities. He does not "shoot from the hip" - he knew exactly what he was doing. He deliberately insulted the armed forces because that is what he wanted to do.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.[/p][/quote]Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail.[/p][/quote]Duncan is an experienced Councillor, Press Officer and former Head of Equalities. He does not "shoot from the hip" - he knew exactly what he was doing. He deliberately insulted the armed forces because that is what he wanted to do. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 36

10:51am Tue 1 Jul 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Andy R wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail.
Duncan is an experienced Councillor, Press Officer and former Head of Equalities. He does not "shoot from the hip" - he knew exactly what he was doing. He deliberately insulted the armed forces because that is what he wanted to do.
Direct hit!
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.[/p][/quote]Right on the money. And Ben shoots from the hip in totally spontaneous fashion and never learns from the inevitable backlash. As a councillor he is a public figure who owes thought before publication to each and every one of his voters, to his party, and to the Council. Epic fail.[/p][/quote]Duncan is an experienced Councillor, Press Officer and former Head of Equalities. He does not "shoot from the hip" - he knew exactly what he was doing. He deliberately insulted the armed forces because that is what he wanted to do.[/p][/quote]Direct hit! Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 11

10:56am Tue 1 Jul 14

Warren Morgan says...

What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go.

If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves.
What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go. If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 27

11:01am Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go.

If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves.
Possibly a silly question Cllr Morgan, but can't the council themselves discipline him like they did Cllr Barnett ? How does that process get kicked off ?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go. If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves.[/p][/quote]Possibly a silly question Cllr Morgan, but can't the council themselves discipline him like they did Cllr Barnett ? How does that process get kicked off ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 23

11:04am Tue 1 Jul 14

Valerie Paynter says...

woodcroft wrote:
Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee.
please do this today
Some people are looking to the way the Green Group dealt with Cllr Christina Summers' dissenting voice on gay marriage as a pecedent-setting bench mark. Tolerance for what Ben Duncan has repeatedly done after savaging HER, speaks volumes about Green Party values.

Alex Phillips publicly embarrassed her party by asking Warren Morgan, Leader of the Opposition, IN A TWEET, to back her cabal's attempt to seize the local party leadeship for their chosen man, Phelim MacCafferty. Any comeback there? Nope. She voted against her partys budget one year. No punishment.

But Christina Summers was hounded off the Green Party Group for her religious conviction that gay marriage could not be acceptable to her. She sits as a very effective and hardworking Independent now.

The Green Party is just a club. Who is "in" and who is "out", who is "cool" who is not. And conspicuous cycling is the way to promotion through their ranks. I'd hoped for so much better.
[quote][p][bold]woodcroft[/bold] wrote: Mr Kit Kat ,make one positive decision in your last year of office. Suspend this Councillor from your group and put the detail before the Standards Committee. please do this today[/p][/quote]Some people are looking to the way the Green Group dealt with Cllr Christina Summers' dissenting voice on gay marriage as a pecedent-setting bench mark. Tolerance for what Ben Duncan has repeatedly done after savaging HER, speaks volumes about Green Party values. Alex Phillips publicly embarrassed her party by asking Warren Morgan, Leader of the Opposition, IN A TWEET, to back her cabal's attempt to seize the local party leadeship for their chosen man, Phelim MacCafferty. Any comeback there? Nope. She voted against her partys budget one year. No punishment. But Christina Summers was hounded off the Green Party Group for her religious conviction that gay marriage could not be acceptable to her. She sits as a very effective and hardworking Independent now. The Green Party is just a club. Who is "in" and who is "out", who is "cool" who is not. And conspicuous cycling is the way to promotion through their ranks. I'd hoped for so much better. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 18

11:07am Tue 1 Jul 14

JHunty says...

stevo!! wrote:
Whilst I profoundly disagree with what Duncan wrote, as usual, I support his freedom to say whatever offensive comments he chooses.

Many thousands of people will also agree with his comments about our soldiers, and the old saying goes: " Just because you are offended it doesn't make you right"...or something like that.

Over the past 40 years, it has become a crime to upset people. This has to change.
There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence.
I support the first right but not the second.
Ben Duncan knows perfectly well that his remarks are likely to be reported in The Argus, he knew this remark would be.
It seems that Ben Duncan decided Ben Duncan wasnt getting enough attention and decided rectify that situation by making an extremely ill judged and offensive remark.
As usual he thinks that apologising and saying what a naughty boy I am is enough to get him off the hook.
Our armed forces are put in difficult positions by our politicians, sometimes this means they have to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Armed forces day was a day to remember that sacrifice not an opportunity for a local politician to self publicise and to play to the tiny minority that like to cynically sneer and deride the sacrifices that are made on our behalf.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Whilst I profoundly disagree with what Duncan wrote, as usual, I support his freedom to say whatever offensive comments he chooses. Many thousands of people will also agree with his comments about our soldiers, and the old saying goes: " Just because you are offended it doesn't make you right"...or something like that. Over the past 40 years, it has become a crime to upset people. This has to change.[/p][/quote]There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence. I support the first right but not the second. Ben Duncan knows perfectly well that his remarks are likely to be reported in The Argus, he knew this remark would be. It seems that Ben Duncan decided Ben Duncan wasnt getting enough attention and decided rectify that situation by making an extremely ill judged and offensive remark. As usual he thinks that apologising and saying what a naughty boy I am is enough to get him off the hook. Our armed forces are put in difficult positions by our politicians, sometimes this means they have to make the ultimate sacrifice. Armed forces day was a day to remember that sacrifice not an opportunity for a local politician to self publicise and to play to the tiny minority that like to cynically sneer and deride the sacrifices that are made on our behalf. JHunty
  • Score: 23

11:13am Tue 1 Jul 14

Phani Tikkala says...

The fact that Duncan has today re-tweeted dozens and dozens of comments that support him, and also those that criticise him, makes it abundantly clear that he does not regret his actions, and - just like last time with the St Brigid's Cross - that his apology is hollow and insincere.

If he doesn't go of his own accord, he should be sacked. NOW.
The fact that Duncan has today re-tweeted dozens and dozens of comments that support him, and also those that criticise him, makes it abundantly clear that he does not regret his actions, and - just like last time with the St Brigid's Cross - that his apology is hollow and insincere. If he doesn't go of his own accord, he should be sacked. NOW. Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 31

11:18am Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence."

Is there a difference?

I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference.

In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive.

When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately

I look forward to your response.
"There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence." Is there a difference? I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference. In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive. When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately I look forward to your response. stevo!!
  • Score: -23

11:38am Tue 1 Jul 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

If the pratt had an iq of drunk hamster. He might have noticed the" hired killers" are B company PWRR the local reserve unit. People who live here and vote here. He has the right to say what he likes he also has to take the consquences of his actions. He has insulted the army and local residents because he is ignorant of what actually happens in the city.
If the pratt had an iq of drunk hamster. He might have noticed the" hired killers" are B company PWRR the local reserve unit. People who live here and vote here. He has the right to say what he likes he also has to take the consquences of his actions. He has insulted the army and local residents because he is ignorant of what actually happens in the city. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 20

11:49am Tue 1 Jul 14

JHunty says...

stevo!! wrote:
"There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence."

Is there a difference?

I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference.

In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive.

When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately

I look forward to your response.
Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence, not sure I can make that any clearer. You sound a bit like one of those people who go onto memorial pages for dead children on face book and post grossly offensive messages then claim when challenged that its all ok because you are just exercising your right to free speech.
I suggest that you ponder the fact that he has a track record of offending people on twitter then retracting his remarks and hiding behind an apology. He clearly was not just trying to communicate with those who agree with him otherwise he would have chosen a different method of communication. Indeed at no point has he made that claim in his defence so your argument is demonstrably false and not one that Ben Duncan is claiming for his defence.
You also seem to not understand what contentious means, by definition if something is contentious it may cause offence. So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said, again your argument does not hold together.
I dont acknowledge that people do have a right to be grossly offensive youre making things up to win an argument on the internet. I acknowledge that having an opinion that some find offensive is very different from a local politician seeking to self publicise by making grossly offensive and pejorative remarks on a day set aside for remembrance.

You must stop putting words into peoples mouths in order to try to be the winner in an argument on the Argus website.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence." Is there a difference? I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference. In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive. When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately I look forward to your response.[/p][/quote]Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence, not sure I can make that any clearer. You sound a bit like one of those people who go onto memorial pages for dead children on face book and post grossly offensive messages then claim when challenged that its all ok because you are just exercising your right to free speech. I suggest that you ponder the fact that he has a track record of offending people on twitter then retracting his remarks and hiding behind an apology. He clearly was not just trying to communicate with those who agree with him otherwise he would have chosen a different method of communication. Indeed at no point has he made that claim in his defence so your argument is demonstrably false and not one that Ben Duncan is claiming for his defence. You also seem to not understand what contentious means, by definition if something is contentious it may cause offence. So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said, again your argument does not hold together. I dont acknowledge that people do have a right to be grossly offensive youre making things up to win an argument on the internet. I acknowledge that having an opinion that some find offensive is very different from a local politician seeking to self publicise by making grossly offensive and pejorative remarks on a day set aside for remembrance. You must stop putting words into peoples mouths in order to try to be the winner in an argument on the Argus website. JHunty
  • Score: 17

11:56am Tue 1 Jul 14

Tom Green says...

Mr Duncan, was your problem your son asked "why?" If you have, and I hope you have, a bright and intelligent son, he will as he grows need more from a father than bland rhetoric from a single viewpoint. From what I regard as your arrogant and uninformed position, perhaps you will now sort out world peace? And in that it may surprise you that I think it likely you will have the support of the vast majority of British troops. But in the meantime please do not forget your right to an opinion is ultimately backed by their protection. This makes you look rather as the non union member who still expects all the benefits that his union negotiates with the employer.
Mr Duncan, was your problem your son asked "why?" If you have, and I hope you have, a bright and intelligent son, he will as he grows need more from a father than bland rhetoric from a single viewpoint. From what I regard as your arrogant and uninformed position, perhaps you will now sort out world peace? And in that it may surprise you that I think it likely you will have the support of the vast majority of British troops. But in the meantime please do not forget your right to an opinion is ultimately backed by their protection. This makes you look rather as the non union member who still expects all the benefits that his union negotiates with the employer. Tom Green
  • Score: 15

12:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

NickBrt wrote:
This total cretin must go now. If as posted above he doesn't even live in Brighton that's even mroe contempt he shows for Brighton residents. Even the greens deserv e better than him. What use is this moron to anyone at all except his own over inflated ego?
No he does live in Brighton, Kemptown in fact, the documentation relating to his standing in the last election says so. Could this be the final nail in the Green experiment? Watch this space. #politicalchamberpot
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[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: This total cretin must go now. If as posted above he doesn't even live in Brighton that's even mroe contempt he shows for Brighton residents. Even the greens deserv e better than him. What use is this moron to anyone at all except his own over inflated ego?[/p][/quote]No he does live in Brighton, Kemptown in fact, the documentation relating to his standing in the last election says so. Could this be the final nail in the Green experiment? Watch this space. #politicalchamberpot s We love Red Billy
  • Score: 12

12:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bugzy84 says...

stevo!! wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly.
This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage.
He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.
And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?
Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks.
Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position.
Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly. This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage. He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.[/p][/quote]And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?[/p][/quote]Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks. Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position. Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza? Bugzy84
  • Score: 12

12:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly.
This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage.
He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.
And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?
Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks.
Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position.
Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza?
We need to remember that Ben Duncan supports Smash EDO who really do believe in putting bricks through windows. As well as smashing up computers and property and assaulting police.
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly. This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage. He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.[/p][/quote]And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?[/p][/quote]Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks. Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position. Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza?[/p][/quote]We need to remember that Ben Duncan supports Smash EDO who really do believe in putting bricks through windows. As well as smashing up computers and property and assaulting police. Fight_Back
  • Score: 20

12:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

s&k says...

The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.
The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career. s&k
  • Score: 12

12:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bugzy84 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly.
This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage.
He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.
And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?
Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks.
Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position.
Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza?
We need to remember that Ben Duncan supports Smash EDO who really do believe in putting bricks through windows. As well as smashing up computers and property and assaulting police.
He is also with GMB Union who I believe were going to "Shut down the city"
Another corrupt organization hungry for power over the people they are suppose to be protecting.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: It's just as well he doesn't live in Brighton, he'd be replacing his windows repeatedly. This sorry excuse for a human is just poisonous, if the Green Party have even the slightest hint of self preservation they'd expel him before he can do any more damage. He might pull the free speech card (given by those he deems killers) but those with it have the responsibility to use it wisely.[/p][/quote]And putting bricks through windows is an expression of freedom but saying one's thoughts on something isn't allowed?[/p][/quote]Personally no, violence never solves problems, but I'm sure someone more radical and spontaneous than myself has contemplating throwing a few bricks. Cllr Duncan is a spin doctor, he knew the response he would get just like the previous posts, he likes to cause the uproar, hardly a fitting trait for someone in his position. Would you be so quick to defend him if he had said something more extreme like a Abu Hamza?[/p][/quote]We need to remember that Ben Duncan supports Smash EDO who really do believe in putting bricks through windows. As well as smashing up computers and property and assaulting police.[/p][/quote]He is also with GMB Union who I believe were going to "Shut down the city" Another corrupt organization hungry for power over the people they are suppose to be protecting. Bugzy84
  • Score: 15

12:59pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Tom Green says...

SussexInfidel01 wrote:
twica12 wrote:
I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots
Students mostly!
Oddly, I first read of this on an Irish site! I suspect far from just local offence has been taken. That Brighton may choose to do about it is of course your business, but I do stand surprised that a local man would offend local Reservist soldiers in this way. But I guess we have to live with some people being ignorant enough not to see any other than black and white shades; where in their mind there is no difference of the man inside when looking to the uniform of a British Reservist and such as one who wore the scarf of the Khmer Rouge. As to if someone with this sort of tunnel vision holds the skills and values needed to represent people in a Council, that is another question, and for his electorate.
[quote][p][bold]SussexInfidel01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twica12[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots[/p][/quote]Students mostly![/p][/quote]Oddly, I first read of this on an Irish site! I suspect far from just local offence has been taken. That Brighton may choose to do about it is of course your business, but I do stand surprised that a local man would offend local Reservist soldiers in this way. But I guess we have to live with some people being ignorant enough not to see any other than black and white shades; where in their mind there is no difference of the man inside when looking to the uniform of a British Reservist and such as one who wore the scarf of the Khmer Rouge. As to if someone with this sort of tunnel vision holds the skills and values needed to represent people in a Council, that is another question, and for his electorate. Tom Green
  • Score: 13

1:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

L bailey says...

Don't just moan, complain to the Council, link to website;
http://ww3.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1221715&n
ode=21886, easy to do.
Don't just moan, complain to the Council, link to website; http://ww3.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1221715&n ode=21886, easy to do. L bailey
  • Score: 14

1:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

Brighton90 wrote:
Nosfaratu wrote:
Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy.
Move elsewhere? The man already freely admits he doesn't even live in Brighton and lives in London
Is That what UK true Londoner's think to ????
[quote][p][bold]Brighton90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: Resign now ! Move to somewhere else ! Get reality therapy.[/p][/quote]Move elsewhere? The man already freely admits he doesn't even live in Brighton and lives in London[/p][/quote]Is That what UK true Londoner's think to ???? tinker111
  • Score: -9

1:40pm Tue 1 Jul 14

MegA69 says...

Resign.
Resign. MegA69
  • Score: 22

2:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

dungagin says...

This is the same councillor who, when told about a public petition that was being organised, dismissed the results in advance with the response: "Well, you can get people to sign anything." This man is certainly no democrat - it begs the question: why would anyone vote for such a person?
This is the same councillor who, when told about a public petition that was being organised, dismissed the results in advance with the response: "Well, you can get people to sign anything." This man is certainly no democrat - it begs the question: why would anyone vote for such a person? dungagin
  • Score: 18

3:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote:

"Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence.
"

So what IS that difference?

You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be.

" So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said"

So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway?

The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them.

HTH
JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote: "Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence. " So what IS that difference? You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be. " So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said" So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway? The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -16

3:49pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
Errr ..... that we have an idiot treacherous Councillor supposedly representing the people of Brighton. You obviously haven't seen his previous public announcements either.
So every time he does something, he is representing Brighton?

What a ridiculous notion.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]Errr ..... that we have an idiot treacherous Councillor supposedly representing the people of Brighton. You obviously haven't seen his previous public announcements either.[/p][/quote]So every time he does something, he is representing Brighton? What a ridiculous notion. stevo!!
  • Score: -17

4:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

s_james says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free.
Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now.

I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now!
Normal people make their points - a you have largely done here - without resort to extreme, vicious and shouty language. Most of the comments behind both this article and the original one are so violent they can be seen for what they are: opportunistic politicking and whipping each other to hysteria. They are out of control attack-dog screechings that fail to honour the very people they purport to defend: the armed forces.

And the incessant trolling puts most people off commenting here. Perhaps it is why there are no comment options behind another local newspaper's new website.

I have not "really lost it now". Get a gip so you don't either.
I used to follow you on twitter until I tired of you making points in a screechy and shouty way
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Oh pleeeze!!! Valerie get a grip will you! This is not a political item. The other party leaders are not queuing up to have a pop at this idiot in order to gain political advantage. There is a condemnation of this man across the board. I cannot see one person on here who thinks that he was right to say this including Geoffrey Theobald, Jason KitKat, Caroline Lucas and Warren Morgan - all leaders/members of all the other parties. Most of the other people who are blogging on here have no relation to a political party. They are just normal people who respect the people who have fought to keep this country free. Common decency tells you that this man is a moron. And he doesn't even live in Brighton or Hove apparently (unknown to me until now). What on earth is he doing as a councillor in our city? He has to go. Now. I used to read your comments as sometimes being reasonable and understandable - but you've really lost it now![/p][/quote]Normal people make their points - a you have largely done here - without resort to extreme, vicious and shouty language. Most of the comments behind both this article and the original one are so violent they can be seen for what they are: opportunistic politicking and whipping each other to hysteria. They are out of control attack-dog screechings that fail to honour the very people they purport to defend: the armed forces. And the incessant trolling puts most people off commenting here. Perhaps it is why there are no comment options behind another local newspaper's new website. I have not "really lost it now". Get a gip so you don't either.[/p][/quote]I used to follow you on twitter until I tired of you making points in a screechy and shouty way s_james
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Alison Smith says...

"Suarez bites, Duncan Tweets"
Both think their actions are just fine.
"Nature or nurture?"
Discuss!
"Suarez bites, Duncan Tweets" Both think their actions are just fine. "Nature or nurture?" Discuss! Alison Smith
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Man of steel says...

stevo!! wrote:
JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote:

"Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence.
"

So what IS that difference?

You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be.

" So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said"

So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway?

The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them.

HTH
Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote: "Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence. " So what IS that difference? You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be. " So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said" So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway? The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them. HTH[/p][/quote]Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not. Man of steel
  • Score: 7

5:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Man of steel wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote:

"Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence.
"

So what IS that difference?

You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be.

" So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said"

So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway?

The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them.

HTH
Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not.
"Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not."

Neither race nor religion were involved in his comments, but feel free to read my first post on this thread where I bemoaned the fact that upsetting people has become a crime this past 40 years.

People SHOULD be allowed to offend, regardless of content.


HTH
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote: "Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence. " So what IS that difference? You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be. " So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said" So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway? The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them. HTH[/p][/quote]Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not.[/p][/quote]"Stevo, try being offensive, deliberately or not, in a racist or religious manner, you will soon see if you have the right or not." Neither race nor religion were involved in his comments, but feel free to read my first post on this thread where I bemoaned the fact that upsetting people has become a crime this past 40 years. People SHOULD be allowed to offend, regardless of content. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -13

5:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Rumour mill now suggests he's only gone and done it again!

With comment about the Koran and stoning a 7yr old to death.

The Vegan has a peculiar way to mark the beginning of Ramadan.
Rumour mill now suggests he's only gone and done it again! With comment about the Koran and stoning a 7yr old to death. The Vegan has a peculiar way to mark the beginning of Ramadan. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 9

5:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

peebee9 says...

He has a very annoying, smug, self-satisfied smile on his face..."I'm always right and you're always wrong"
He has a very annoying, smug, self-satisfied smile on his face..."I'm always right and you're always wrong" peebee9
  • Score: 8

5:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

BtnLaurence says...

How can even Ben Duncan think that tweeting "apols" is in any way approaching an adequate apology for what he has said?
Apols. You might say that if you were a child that had knocked something over.
How can even Ben Duncan think that tweeting "apols" is in any way approaching an adequate apology for what he has said? Apols. You might say that if you were a child that had knocked something over. BtnLaurence
  • Score: 10

5:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

This is going to win me no friends on here but I actually have an element of sympathy with Mr Duncan's anti-militarist stance. Whilst I yield to no one in my admiration of the men who saved us from Hitler, I can't get quite so enthusiastic about our current struggles against a lod of medieval-minded goatherders whose chief weapon is a home-made bomb.

That said I have absolutely no respect for Duncan. His 'apology' is worthless as we all know what he really thinks, and it's just him trying to get out of the hole he has dug for himself. He should have stuck to his guns (if you'll pardon the expression) and it's sad that he's so lacking in moral fibre that he didn't have the guts to do that. A coward indeed.
This is going to win me no friends on here but I actually have an element of sympathy with Mr Duncan's anti-militarist stance. Whilst I yield to no one in my admiration of the men who saved us from Hitler, I can't get quite so enthusiastic about our current struggles against a lod of medieval-minded goatherders whose chief weapon is a home-made bomb. That said I have absolutely no respect for Duncan. His 'apology' is worthless as we all know what he really thinks, and it's just him trying to get out of the hole he has dug for himself. He should have stuck to his guns (if you'll pardon the expression) and it's sad that he's so lacking in moral fibre that he didn't have the guts to do that. A coward indeed. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Zeta Function says...

Andy R wrote:
The limits of Twitter.....

Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.
It's an unsophisticated scornful comment for an elected politician.

All countries have armed forces.

A successful politician inspires affection.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: The limits of Twitter..... Ben's problem is that he complains about "context" when he expresses views in a tweet. You can't do "context" in 140 characters! If you have a complex point to make, do it an article, a letter or a blog post. If you do it in a tweet you have to stand or fall by what you write in those 140 characters.[/p][/quote]It's an unsophisticated scornful comment for an elected politician. All countries have armed forces. A successful politician inspires affection. Zeta Function
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

mr flooring says...

He looks a sad little man who wants attention.
He looks a sad little man who wants attention. mr flooring
  • Score: 3

5:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bsxking1 says...

The guy is a moron who sits behind a desk working for an awfull political party that have no idea about politics and the real world
The guy is a moron who sits behind a desk working for an awfull political party that have no idea about politics and the real world Bsxking1
  • Score: 11

6:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

SussexInfidel01 says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
The fact that Duncan has today re-tweeted dozens and dozens of comments that support him, and also those that criticise him, makes it abundantly clear that he does not regret his actions, and - just like last time with the St Brigid's Cross - that his apology is hollow and insincere.

If he doesn't go of his own accord, he should be sacked. NOW.
Unless Duncan apologises properly and donates £1000 to an armed forces charity, patriots from around Britain will march in Brighton costing the council even more! Apologise with sincerity not "apols" on Twitter, or even better fall on your sword!
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: The fact that Duncan has today re-tweeted dozens and dozens of comments that support him, and also those that criticise him, makes it abundantly clear that he does not regret his actions, and - just like last time with the St Brigid's Cross - that his apology is hollow and insincere. If he doesn't go of his own accord, he should be sacked. NOW.[/p][/quote]Unless Duncan apologises properly and donates £1000 to an armed forces charity, patriots from around Britain will march in Brighton costing the council even more! Apologise with sincerity not "apols" on Twitter, or even better fall on your sword! SussexInfidel01
  • Score: 7

6:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

SussexInfidel01 says...

s&k wrote:
The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.
Career? He is an opportunist who likes anything anti British, a typical Brighton lefty, a coward who seeks comfort in a crowd. If you wont get behind our troops please feel free to stand in front of them!
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.[/p][/quote]Career? He is an opportunist who likes anything anti British, a typical Brighton lefty, a coward who seeks comfort in a crowd. If you wont get behind our troops please feel free to stand in front of them! SussexInfidel01
  • Score: 10

6:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

BrightonHoveboy says...

What a nasty Green scumbag. Lucky he's not speaking German right now
What a nasty Green scumbag. Lucky he's not speaking German right now BrightonHoveboy
  • Score: 8

6:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

Ha ha ha. I have just heard that Duncan has been seen crying his eyes out and saying"What have I done, it's all gone wrong"

What a beaky faced piece of penile pus he is!
Ha ha ha. I have just heard that Duncan has been seen crying his eyes out and saying"What have I done, it's all gone wrong" What a beaky faced piece of penile pus he is! NathanAdler
  • Score: 6

6:37pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Tom Wye says...

What a truly repugnant person this man is.
What a truly repugnant person this man is. Tom Wye
  • Score: 9

6:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Herbertfarquarson says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Absolutely Right Valerie!

The Argus comments are riddled with would be Tory councillors who failed to get elected.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Absolutely Right Valerie! The Argus comments are riddled with would be Tory councillors who failed to get elected. Herbertfarquarson
  • Score: -2

6:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

hursthill says...

peebee9 wrote:
He has a very annoying, smug, self-satisfied smile on his face..."I'm always right and you're always wrong"
He should tweet an apology for the offence caused by his cheesy grin.
[quote][p][bold]peebee9[/bold] wrote: He has a very annoying, smug, self-satisfied smile on his face..."I'm always right and you're always wrong"[/p][/quote]He should tweet an apology for the offence caused by his cheesy grin. hursthill
  • Score: 10

6:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

SussexInfidel01 wrote:
s&k wrote:
The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.
Career? He is an opportunist who likes anything anti British, a typical Brighton lefty, a coward who seeks comfort in a crowd. If you wont get behind our troops please feel free to stand in front of them!
He'll be a UAF supporter then, like his fellow scum Lucas.
[quote][p][bold]SussexInfidel01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.[/p][/quote]Career? He is an opportunist who likes anything anti British, a typical Brighton lefty, a coward who seeks comfort in a crowd. If you wont get behind our troops please feel free to stand in front of them![/p][/quote]He'll be a UAF supporter then, like his fellow scum Lucas. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

BlackRocker says...

He has the kind of face you want to slap even before he opens his mouth and spouts rubbish or - as in this case - evil bile.
He has the kind of face you want to slap even before he opens his mouth and spouts rubbish or - as in this case - evil bile. BlackRocker
  • Score: 4

7:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stir up says...

Where do people like him come from, and by the way you do not have to be a tory to deplore such statements, any normal fair person would understand just what the armed forces have to put up with.It is a great pity he cannot be deported or made to visit an army barracks and then repeat what he said. He has no more said a real sorry than fly a kite.
Where do people like him come from, and by the way you do not have to be a tory to deplore such statements, any normal fair person would understand just what the armed forces have to put up with.It is a great pity he cannot be deported or made to visit an army barracks and then repeat what he said. He has no more said a real sorry than fly a kite. stir up
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

BlackRocker says...

s&k wrote:
The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.
One can only hope.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: The dangers of politicians dabbling in Social Media. An ill judged remark in 147 characters has probably cost him his career.[/p][/quote]One can only hope. BlackRocker
  • Score: 8

7:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Warren Morgan says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go.

If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves.
Possibly a silly question Cllr Morgan, but can't the council themselves discipline him like they did Cllr Barnett ? How does that process get kicked off ?
In the past a complaint via the Standards process could have ended with a cllr being made to resign. The Localism Act 2011 abolished the Standards Board for England that dealt with complaints about cllrs, and ended the requirement on councils to have a Standards Cttee.

Brighton and Hove still has a Standards Cttee but it's powers are limited to censure unless the cllr in question is judged to have broken the law - and then it is out of their hands anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: What he said isn't a party political issue - what does or does not happen next is. If he was a Labour councillor he'd be gone, simple as that. The Green Party has no Party whip, no apparent internal disciplinary structures (though they somehow managed to expel Christina Summers) and they seen content once again to accept his apology and move on. That isn't good enough this time. He has to go. If the Localism Act in 2011 hadn't removed the Standards Board for England and abolished the council's own disciplinary structures we could do it that way, but sadly we are reliant on the Green Party to do it themselves.[/p][/quote]Possibly a silly question Cllr Morgan, but can't the council themselves discipline him like they did Cllr Barnett ? How does that process get kicked off ?[/p][/quote]In the past a complaint via the Standards process could have ended with a cllr being made to resign. The Localism Act 2011 abolished the Standards Board for England that dealt with complaints about cllrs, and ended the requirement on councils to have a Standards Cttee. Brighton and Hove still has a Standards Cttee but it's powers are limited to censure unless the cllr in question is judged to have broken the law - and then it is out of their hands anyway. Warren Morgan
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Man of steel says...

According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet
“The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted.
“No further comment will be given at this stage.”
According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet “The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted. “No further comment will be given at this stage.” Man of steel
  • Score: 5

7:44pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Man of steel wrote:
According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet
“The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted.
“No further comment will be given at this stage.”
What's the charge.....letting the cat out of the bag?
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet “The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted. “No further comment will be given at this stage.”[/p][/quote]What's the charge.....letting the cat out of the bag? stevo!!
  • Score: -8

8:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Reporter1 says...

British Armed Forces should have protection against comments like Ben Duncan make. This is the same as racist comments against minority groups. Same on you Ben Duncan
British Armed Forces should have protection against comments like Ben Duncan make. This is the same as racist comments against minority groups. Same on you Ben Duncan Reporter1
  • Score: 3

8:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Morpheus says...

Duncan really is useless, but that sums up Brighton council as well. A few year ago I used to regularly pass a council block of flats in his ward. Light were on inside and out continually when not needed. I contacted the council about it and nothing happened so I contacted Duncan thinking a Green councillor would take action. He didn't reply and the lights stayed on.
Duncan really is useless, but that sums up Brighton council as well. A few year ago I used to regularly pass a council block of flats in his ward. Light were on inside and out continually when not needed. I contacted the council about it and nothing happened so I contacted Duncan thinking a Green councillor would take action. He didn't reply and the lights stayed on. Morpheus
  • Score: 4

9:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

MasonStorm says...

What an awful man.
What an awful man. MasonStorm
  • Score: 2

9:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

clarkebrighton says...

Ben Duncan is a Brainless IDIOT making such a Insensitive Remark he
is NOT Worthy to be Elected Councillor.
Change.org The online Petition Site.
The Petition to have him Removed has reached 1500 plus signatures in the last 12 hours , along with hundreds of official complaints being made to Brighton and Hove Council by Local Residents.
I've also been informed that the other GREEN Councillors , along with Caroline Lucas, and Local MP's have ALL asked him to Resign.
Ben Duncan is a Brainless IDIOT making such a Insensitive Remark he is NOT Worthy to be Elected Councillor. Change.org The online Petition Site. The Petition to have him Removed has reached 1500 plus signatures in the last 12 hours , along with hundreds of official complaints being made to Brighton and Hove Council by Local Residents. I've also been informed that the other GREEN Councillors , along with Caroline Lucas, and Local MP's have ALL asked him to Resign. clarkebrighton
  • Score: 8

9:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Matt@onbeach says...

I feel sorry for his child, imagine being brought up with his influence..
I feel sorry for his child, imagine being brought up with his influence.. Matt@onbeach
  • Score: 9

9:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation) says...

Green Councillor Anya Kitcat saying that people from Brighton are inbred, Green Councillor Alexa Phillips commonly seen in town on a Saturday night so drunk that she can hardly stand, Green Councillor Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty emptying his bowels in Council microwaves, and now this.

Can the 'snot' Greens sink any lower? Without a doubt...
Green Councillor Anya Kitcat saying that people from Brighton are inbred, Green Councillor Alexa Phillips commonly seen in town on a Saturday night so drunk that she can hardly stand, Green Councillor Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty emptying his bowels in Council microwaves, and now this. Can the 'snot' Greens sink any lower? Without a doubt... Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
  • Score: 12

9:51pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Poem58 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries, they rescue hostages, some of whom are charity workers caught up in civil wars, they carry out air, sea and rescue work at home and during the floods protected homes from flood, they rescued vulnerable people, built emergency bridges etc.
What does Ben Duncan do? Tweet child-like teenage angst ridden comments from his armchair while claiming allowances which people in the forces have paid for.
You may know he Tweeted that a Christian school was a cult and that a female councillor was wearing a Swastika? Would he have done the same about a male councillor or Islamic schools? I doubt it. He is a nasty bigoted bully who clearly picks on anyone he knows will not fight back and who stirs up hatred, intolerance and bigotry. It really has no place in this town.
Go away Mr Duncan, you haven't don't anything useful since being elected. In fact you are plain lazy. Now hand back the allowances and give a councillor who will do a proper day's work a go. Tweeting childish messages isn't representing your ward or doing work.
"The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries,"

There's all sorts of opinions on here related to this story but please... enough of the blinkers - soldiers kill people. Even OUR soldiers - believe it or not.

Bad things happen in wars.... from ALL sides. Brit servicemen and women aren't saints - please don't insult the intelligence of folk on the Argus site by claiming so.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries, they rescue hostages, some of whom are charity workers caught up in civil wars, they carry out air, sea and rescue work at home and during the floods protected homes from flood, they rescued vulnerable people, built emergency bridges etc. What does Ben Duncan do? Tweet child-like teenage angst ridden comments from his armchair while claiming allowances which people in the forces have paid for. You may know he Tweeted that a Christian school was a cult and that a female councillor was wearing a Swastika? Would he have done the same about a male councillor or Islamic schools? I doubt it. He is a nasty bigoted bully who clearly picks on anyone he knows will not fight back and who stirs up hatred, intolerance and bigotry. It really has no place in this town. Go away Mr Duncan, you haven't don't anything useful since being elected. In fact you are plain lazy. Now hand back the allowances and give a councillor who will do a proper day's work a go. Tweeting childish messages isn't representing your ward or doing work.[/p][/quote]"The armed forces carry out humanitarian work including food and medicine deliveries in war torn countries," There's all sorts of opinions on here related to this story but please... enough of the blinkers - soldiers kill people. Even OUR soldiers - believe it or not. Bad things happen in wars.... from ALL sides. Brit servicemen and women aren't saints - please don't insult the intelligence of folk on the Argus site by claiming so. Poem58
  • Score: -9

9:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Morpheus wrote:
Duncan really is useless, but that sums up Brighton council as well. A few year ago I used to regularly pass a council block of flats in his ward. Light were on inside and out continually when not needed. I contacted the council about it and nothing happened so I contacted Duncan thinking a Green councillor would take action. He didn't reply and the lights stayed on.
Ben Duncan seems to have the ability to tweet his bile but not to answer emails !
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: Duncan really is useless, but that sums up Brighton council as well. A few year ago I used to regularly pass a council block of flats in his ward. Light were on inside and out continually when not needed. I contacted the council about it and nothing happened so I contacted Duncan thinking a Green councillor would take action. He didn't reply and the lights stayed on.[/p][/quote]Ben Duncan seems to have the ability to tweet his bile but not to answer emails ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

9:59pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Man of steel wrote:
According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet
“The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted.
“No further comment will be given at this stage.”
Let's face it.....the Greens HATE our armed forces, so I'm not sure what they are upset about. Duncan was merely saying what the rest of them think.
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: According to the Brighton and Hove News web site, Brighton and Hove Greens start disciplinary proceedings after councillor’s ‘hired killers’ tweet “The Brighton and Hove Green Party Executive this morning decided that disciplinary proceedings were justified and will report any outcomes in due course. A panel will now be formed to determine what, if any, further action is warranted. “No further comment will be given at this stage.”[/p][/quote]Let's face it.....the Greens HATE our armed forces, so I'm not sure what they are upset about. Duncan was merely saying what the rest of them think. stevo!!
  • Score: 4

10:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

abracadab says...

... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying? abracadab
  • Score: -5

10:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

tug509 says...

The word i want to use wouldn`t be allowed ,but we all know it ,he will be lucky not to fall foul of certain people ,mainly those that he expects to defend his disgusting and disgraceful words ,i wish him all he has brought on himself !.

I dont recognize your species ,i have swatted higher life forms .
The word i want to use wouldn`t be allowed ,but we all know it ,he will be lucky not to fall foul of certain people ,mainly those that he expects to defend his disgusting and disgraceful words ,i wish him all he has brought on himself !. I dont recognize your species ,i have swatted higher life forms . tug509
  • Score: -1

11:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
MAY...


Look it up
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]MAY... Look it up stevo!!
  • Score: 1

11:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 3

12:02am Wed 2 Jul 14

Poem58 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.
Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then?

And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle?
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.[/p][/quote]Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then? And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle? Poem58
  • Score: -4

12:05am Wed 2 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man?
Seems so.

And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step?

It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions.
Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council?

Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove!
Roll on 2015!
Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man? Seems so. And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step? It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions. Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council? Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove! Roll on 2015! Martha Gunn
  • Score: 3

12:05am Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Poem58 wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.
Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then?

And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle?
Soldiers are there to protect the nation or the national interest.

They aren't employed to go around killing people, even if that sometimes has to occur in the course of their duties.

" And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants..?

'Combatants'.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.[/p][/quote]Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then? And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle?[/p][/quote]Soldiers are there to protect the nation or the national interest. They aren't employed to go around killing people, even if that sometimes has to occur in the course of their duties. " And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants..? 'Combatants'. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: 2

12:06am Wed 2 Jul 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Sad and disgusted by this comment.
I send my pity to those in Queens Park ward - rightly or wrongly - you all may share the label now provided to a news-hungry and less-informed world.
Sad and disgusted by this comment. I send my pity to those in Queens Park ward - rightly or wrongly - you all may share the label now provided to a news-hungry and less-informed world. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 1

12:07am Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man?
Seems so.

And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step?

It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions.
Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council?

Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove!
Roll on 2015!
No, the Greens haven't finished their process yet.
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man? Seems so. And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step? It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions. Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council? Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove! Roll on 2015![/p][/quote]No, the Greens haven't finished their process yet. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

12:24am Wed 2 Jul 14

clarkebrighton says...

The on line Petition below to Remove This IDIOT has now Reached over 1700 People Signing in just one day.

Just Goggle change.org Then look up Remove Ben Duncan
The on line Petition below to Remove This IDIOT has now Reached over 1700 People Signing in just one day. Just Goggle change.org Then look up Remove Ben Duncan clarkebrighton
  • Score: 4

12:55am Wed 2 Jul 14

Can this be says...

Has this silly little man not resigned yet? Your time is up.
Has this silly little man not resigned yet? Your time is up. Can this be
  • Score: 1

3:42am Wed 2 Jul 14

Zeta Function says...

Let's hope there isn't an earthquake caused by fracking when we will need the help of the army,
Let's hope there isn't an earthquake caused by fracking when we will need the help of the army, Zeta Function
  • Score: 1

9:56am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Herbertfarquarson wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
matlock wrote:
So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?
"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics.

Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?
Absolutely Right Valerie!

The Argus comments are riddled with would be Tory councillors who failed to get elected.
I'm beginning to think this as well. Although someone else points out to Alex Phillips's, Phelim MacCafferty's and Ben Duncan's character weaknesses, the Greens still have a lot of good councillors that no-one cares to mention And even then, the behaviour of these three councillors is insignificant when compared with that of TIM LOUGHTON'S.
[quote][p][bold]Herbertfarquarson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matlock[/bold] wrote: So what? Why is everyone getting so hysterical?[/p][/quote]"Everyone" is the Labour Party membership trying to provoke a by-election and I fear that most of the trolling one sees behind Argus articles is party-political gamesmanship on the part of supporters and members of all th political parties just using this site as a playground for their antics. Would you entrust the running of the city to ANY of them?[/p][/quote]Absolutely Right Valerie! The Argus comments are riddled with would be Tory councillors who failed to get elected.[/p][/quote]I'm beginning to think this as well. Although someone else points out to Alex Phillips's, Phelim MacCafferty's and Ben Duncan's character weaknesses, the Greens still have a lot of good councillors that no-one cares to mention And even then, the behaviour of these three councillors is insignificant when compared with that of TIM LOUGHTON'S. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

10:16am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Alison Smith wrote:
"Suarez bites, Duncan Tweets"
Both think their actions are just fine.
"Nature or nurture?"
Discuss!
And as for TIM LOUGHTON?
[quote][p][bold]Alison Smith[/bold] wrote: "Suarez bites, Duncan Tweets" Both think their actions are just fine. "Nature or nurture?" Discuss![/p][/quote]And as for TIM LOUGHTON? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

10:18am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man?
Seems so.

And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step?

It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions.
Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council?

Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove!
Roll on 2015!
YES. Roll on 2015 to a well balanced 18/18/18 coalition/hung council.

Regards

N Clegg and D Cameron
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: Can it possibly be true that the loony Green Party have given a vote of confidence to this loathsome man? Seems so. And so now Ms Lucas what is your next step? It looks like your party now has no time for your opinions. Taxi for Lucas and an end to Caroline's Council? Hoorah for the people of Brighton and Hove! Roll on 2015![/p][/quote]YES. Roll on 2015 to a well balanced 18/18/18 coalition/hung council. Regards N Clegg and D Cameron theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

10:22am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

stevo!! wrote:
JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote:

"Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence.
"

So what IS that difference?

You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be.

" So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said"

So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway?

The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them.

HTH
Didn't he say that he was a barrister? These are people who are paid to be insensitive with crying defence witnesses. AND A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL TORIES ARE BARRISTERS AS WELL. I think he thought he was still in a court room.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: JHunty, when asked to explain his earlier statement, wrote: "Errrr yes quite clearly there is a difference, not sure why you are struggling with that. If you hold a belief that some find offensive that is one thing. It is quite another to go out of youre way to cause offence. " So what IS that difference? You claimed that there is a difference between being offensive and being deliberately offensive. There isn't a difference, and you've confirmed that you aren't able to explain what you believe that difference to be. " So if someone says something contentious they must be aware that there is a chance they will offend someone by what they have said" So if they go ahead and say it anyway, who is to say a) whether or not they were offensive deliberately and b) does it matter if they were anyway? The fact remains that we have a right to say things that some MIGHT find offensive. It doesn't matter if we say them to be deliberately offensive - we still have that right to say them. HTH[/p][/quote]Didn't he say that he was a barrister? These are people who are paid to be insensitive with crying defence witnesses. AND A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL TORIES ARE BARRISTERS AS WELL. I think he thought he was still in a court room. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

10:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
Spot......on
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]Spot......on theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 1

10:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
Spot......on
[quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]Spot......on theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 1

10:37am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Tom Green wrote:
SussexInfidel01 wrote:
twica12 wrote:
I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots
Students mostly!
Oddly, I first read of this on an Irish site! I suspect far from just local offence has been taken. That Brighton may choose to do about it is of course your business, but I do stand surprised that a local man would offend local Reservist soldiers in this way. But I guess we have to live with some people being ignorant enough not to see any other than black and white shades; where in their mind there is no difference of the man inside when looking to the uniform of a British Reservist and such as one who wore the scarf of the Khmer Rouge. As to if someone with this sort of tunnel vision holds the skills and values needed to represent people in a Council, that is another question, and for his electorate.
You seem to be the most balanced man against him. Can you rein in all your angry mates?
[quote][p][bold]Tom Green[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SussexInfidel01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twica12[/bold] wrote: I'm not surprised about his comments as he is as member of the wishy washy green boots , fairies at the bottom of the garden Green Party. Who voted for these idiots[/p][/quote]Students mostly![/p][/quote]Oddly, I first read of this on an Irish site! I suspect far from just local offence has been taken. That Brighton may choose to do about it is of course your business, but I do stand surprised that a local man would offend local Reservist soldiers in this way. But I guess we have to live with some people being ignorant enough not to see any other than black and white shades; where in their mind there is no difference of the man inside when looking to the uniform of a British Reservist and such as one who wore the scarf of the Khmer Rouge. As to if someone with this sort of tunnel vision holds the skills and values needed to represent people in a Council, that is another question, and for his electorate.[/p][/quote]You seem to be the most balanced man against him. Can you rein in all your angry mates? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

10:43am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

stevo!! wrote:
"There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence."

Is there a difference?

I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference.

In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive.

When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately

I look forward to your response.
Indeed, your argument is the main excuse for the **** and comedy trades being in existence at all. Most comedy is not dry, and just relies on humiliation. And as for ****......er, well.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence." Is there a difference? I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference. In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive. When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately I look forward to your response.[/p][/quote]Indeed, your argument is the main excuse for the **** and comedy trades being in existence at all. Most comedy is not dry, and just relies on humiliation. And as for ****......er, well. theargusissoinformative
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10:44am Wed 2 Jul 14

theargusissoinformative says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence."

Is there a difference?

I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference.

In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive.

When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately

I look forward to your response.
Indeed, your argument is the main excuse for the **** and comedy trades being in existence at all. Most comedy is not dry, and just relies on humiliation. And as for ****......er, well.
Okay, for ****, read p/o/r/n/o/g/r/a/p/h/
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[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "There is a huge difference between having the right to an opinion that offends other people and deliberately causing offence." Is there a difference? I'd really like to read your expanation of that difference. In the meantime, I suggest you ponder upon the fact that he might have made that comment in order to speak to those who agree with him. There is no way on Earth that he could have been seeking to offend such people, so it cannot be claimed that he was being deliberately offensive. When one says something contentious, one cannot possibly know whether or not someone will be offended by it. You accept that people DO have a right to offend, which acknowledges that they are able to do it deliberately I look forward to your response.[/p][/quote]Indeed, your argument is the main excuse for the **** and comedy trades being in existence at all. Most comedy is not dry, and just relies on humiliation. And as for ****......er, well.[/p][/quote]Okay, for ****, read p/o/r/n/o/g/r/a/p/h/ y theargusissoinformative
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1:26am Thu 3 Jul 14

Poem58 says...

stevo!! wrote:
Poem58 wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
abracadab wrote:
... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians.
Surely that is all he was saying?
No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.
Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then?

And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle?
Soldiers are there to protect the nation or the national interest.

They aren't employed to go around killing people, even if that sometimes has to occur in the course of their duties.

" And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants..?

'Combatants'.

HTH
Yes, and Ben Duncan's description works equally well.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poem58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abracadab[/bold] wrote: ... but ... soldiers ... are ... professionals ... who ... are ... paid ... a ... salary ... to ... do ... a ... job ... which ... may ... involve ... obeying ... orders ... to ... kill ... civilians. Surely that is all he was saying?[/p][/quote]No that wasn't what he was saying, he referred to the armed forces as hired killers, likening them to mercenaries. You and he would probably also say that the Holocaust never happened.[/p][/quote]Are soldiers not paid to shoot their guns and drop their bombs then? And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants of that particular debacle?[/p][/quote]Soldiers are there to protect the nation or the national interest. They aren't employed to go around killing people, even if that sometimes has to occur in the course of their duties. " And what if The Iraq war is declared illegal in a court of law. How thus do we describe the combatants..? 'Combatants'. HTH[/p][/quote]Yes, and Ben Duncan's description works equally well. Poem58
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10:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

anothermrlizard says...

Too much meh in this article. This is why.

MfE advertise their yearly moronfest pretty much all year round, and after that, they only attract about 100 people.

This will bring in about two minibuses full of the skiplickers at most. Thats not a march, that's a stag night.
Too much meh in this article. This is why. MfE advertise their yearly moronfest pretty much all year round, and after that, they only attract about 100 people. This will bring in about two minibuses full of the skiplickers at most. Thats not a march, that's a stag night. anothermrlizard
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10:48am Fri 4 Jul 14

clarkebrighton says...

Sack this insensitive IDIOT NOW, He is NOT a FIT And PROPER PERSON to be a Councillor, 2,500 People have Signed the Petition in the last few days.

Goggle change.org Then Browse Remove Ben Duncan
Sack this insensitive IDIOT NOW, He is NOT a FIT And PROPER PERSON to be a Councillor, 2,500 People have Signed the Petition in the last few days. Goggle change.org Then Browse Remove Ben Duncan clarkebrighton
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1:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

rustybn3 says...

RESIGN NOW
RESIGN NOW rustybn3
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