Eco shop closes after protests

Protests over Ecostream parent company Soda Stream involvement in the West Bank

Protests over Ecostream parent company Soda Stream involvement in the West Bank

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A CONTROVERSIAL shop which became the scene of passionate political protests has closed.

EcoStream, on Western Road, Brighton, opened as an experimental packaging-free refill store two years ago.

But pro-Palestinian protesters picketed the shop over parent company SodaStream’s factory in the contested West Bank territory.

In response pro-Israeli groups staged counter-demos leading to a regular police presence and arrestsThe Israeli company’s chief executive promised the store would stay open but activists vowed to continue protesting until EcoStream closed.

The store opened in 2012 to test the market for environmentally-conscious consumers who could purchase household products by weight and without packaging.

It targeted Brighton because of its reputation for “one of the most environmentally aware populations in the UK” but the firm suffered a slump in its share price and worldwide condemnation for operating in Ma’ale Adumim, an Israeli settlement deemed illegal under international law.

Ann Hallam, of Brighton and Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said: “The closure is a tribute to the people of Brighton and Hove who made a decision not to support an unethical business.

“There’s been massive support for our message that this was not a green enterprise.”

Sussex Friends of Israel was “disappointed” about the closure of a store which was “clearly ahead of its time”.

A spokesman said: “Where there is hate-filled anti-Israel rhetoric, Sussex Friends of Israel will ensure that the facts are heard so informed decisions can be made rather than listening to those that shout loudest.

“Sussex Friends of Israel defends Israel’s right to exist and will continue to support stores selling SodaStream products.”

SodaStream said it would focus its business efforts on retail distribution. It said it would keep fighting for a planet free of plastic bottles.

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12:14pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job.

The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed.

They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.
The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job. The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed. They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful. stevo!!
  • Score: 6

12:22pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job.

The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed.

They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.
And in German occupied France jobs were given to locals in the factories by the Germans. It didn't make the invasion right though. Are you seriously suggesting that an occupier is fine, just as long as that occupier gives the occupied jobs ?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job. The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed. They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.[/p][/quote]And in German occupied France jobs were given to locals in the factories by the Germans. It didn't make the invasion right though. Are you seriously suggesting that an occupier is fine, just as long as that occupier gives the occupied jobs ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 27

12:57pm Wed 2 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job.

The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed.

They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.
Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job. The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed. They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.[/p][/quote]Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 19

1:06pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Andy R says...

EcoStream thought they could greenwash the Occupation, and that Brighton would fall for it. Now they know they couldn't, and Brighton wouldn't.
EcoStream thought they could greenwash the Occupation, and that Brighton would fall for it. Now they know they couldn't, and Brighton wouldn't. Andy R
  • Score: 6

1:07pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job.

The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed.

They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.
Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!!
Well this is novel - something we agree on !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job. The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed. They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.[/p][/quote]Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!![/p][/quote]Well this is novel - something we agree on !!!!!!!! Fight_Back
  • Score: -17

1:12pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.
The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected. stevo!!
  • Score: -19

1:17pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.
What makes you think they were happy ? They might have been even happier if they could have continued making money for themselves by farming and growing olives before the Israeli war machine dug up the olive groves and built on the farms. I suspect the Palestinians were happy in the fact it was take the Sodastream jobs or starve.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.[/p][/quote]What makes you think they were happy ? They might have been even happier if they could have continued making money for themselves by farming and growing olives before the Israeli war machine dug up the olive groves and built on the farms. I suspect the Palestinians were happy in the fact it was take the Sodastream jobs or starve. Fight_Back
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail. Goyboy
  • Score: -1

1:25pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel.

I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart !
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel. I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 19

1:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.
What makes you think they were happy ? They might have been even happier if they could have continued making money for themselves by farming and growing olives before the Israeli war machine dug up the olive groves and built on the farms. I suspect the Palestinians were happy in the fact it was take the Sodastream jobs or starve.
Oh dear......is English your second language?

OED 'happy to' - "Willing to do something"

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.[/p][/quote]What makes you think they were happy ? They might have been even happier if they could have continued making money for themselves by farming and growing olives before the Israeli war machine dug up the olive groves and built on the farms. I suspect the Palestinians were happy in the fact it was take the Sodastream jobs or starve.[/p][/quote]Oh dear......is English your second language? OED 'happy to' - "Willing to do something" HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -28

1:29pm Wed 2 Jul 14

hursthill says...

As the Argus correctly states the factory was on contested territory. ie the West Bank is not occupied but disputed territory. It was previously occupied by Jordan, but liberated in 1967 when Jordan, Egypt & Syria launched a war to destroy Israel.

There will 1 day be a peace settlement & a 2 State solution. Negotiations recently ended when The Palestinian Authority merged with hamas, an organisation committed in it's charter to eliminating Israel. Hamas operates an Apartheid policy of eliminating & killing Isreali citizerns & colonising & stealing their homes.

Hundreds of businesses have closed in Brighton, for economic reasons,over the last few years. The Eco shop is just another such shop.
However trade between Israel between Israel & the UK is worth £billions. That is why Milliband & Cameron visited Israel earlier this year, together with the greatest Rock band in history - The Rolling Stones. !

Israel is the world's leading IT start up nation, 2nd only to Silicon Valley.
What a contrast to it's failed neighbours - Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc where human rights abuse is endemic. No wonder Arabs are proud to serve in it's Parliament, play for it's national football team, work as diplomats & high court judges etc !
As the Argus correctly states the factory was on contested territory. ie the West Bank is not occupied but disputed territory. It was previously occupied by Jordan, but liberated in 1967 when Jordan, Egypt & Syria launched a war to destroy Israel. There will 1 day be a peace settlement & a 2 State solution. Negotiations recently ended when The Palestinian Authority merged with hamas, an organisation committed in it's charter to eliminating Israel. Hamas operates an Apartheid policy of eliminating & killing Isreali citizerns & colonising & stealing their homes. Hundreds of businesses have closed in Brighton, for economic reasons,over the last few years. The Eco shop is just another such shop. However trade between Israel between Israel & the UK is worth £billions. That is why Milliband & Cameron visited Israel earlier this year, together with the greatest Rock band in history - The Rolling Stones. ! Israel is the world's leading IT start up nation, 2nd only to Silicon Valley. What a contrast to it's failed neighbours - Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc where human rights abuse is endemic. No wonder Arabs are proud to serve in it's Parliament, play for it's national football team, work as diplomats & high court judges etc ! hursthill
  • Score: -4

1:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JHunty says...

Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation.

Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction?

To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?

Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation. Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction? To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice? Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance. JHunty
  • Score: 16

1:39pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza. stevo!!
  • Score: -22

1:41pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands. Fight_Back
  • Score: 15

1:44pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.
Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts?

The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.[/p][/quote]Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts? The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die. stevo!!
  • Score: -21

2:00pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.
Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts?

The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.
The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect.

The issue being that with many Palestinians being held captive in Gaza it is easy pickings for Israel with it's tanks and fast jet fighters ( neither of which the Palestinians have ). Add in their use of illegal weapons and you have to wonder if Israel should enjoy support from anyone. It is nothing more than a bully, occupying land it has no right to and murdering civilians with banned weapons.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.[/p][/quote]Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts? The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.[/p][/quote]The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect. The issue being that with many Palestinians being held captive in Gaza it is easy pickings for Israel with it's tanks and fast jet fighters ( neither of which the Palestinians have ). Add in their use of illegal weapons and you have to wonder if Israel should enjoy support from anyone. It is nothing more than a bully, occupying land it has no right to and murdering civilians with banned weapons. Fight_Back
  • Score: 21

2:02pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.
Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts?

The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.
I'll add - when we fought the IRA, did we bomb civilians as the IRA hid among them ? No we didn't. Israel gets what it sows.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.[/p][/quote]Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts? The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.[/p][/quote]I'll add - when we fought the IRA, did we bomb civilians as the IRA hid among them ? No we didn't. Israel gets what it sows. Fight_Back
  • Score: 14

2:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?"

Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned?

The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.
And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.
Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts?

The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.
The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?" Is reality something which happens to other people, as far as you're concerned? The Israelis targeted Hamas in those air strikes, and NOT the people of Gaza.[/p][/quote]And yet over the years of Israeli bombing HUNDREDS of civilians ( including children ) have died. That doesn't even touch on Israel's use of banned weapons and ignore UN demands.[/p][/quote]Are you ignoring the Israeli children who died in these conflicts? The fact is that Israel has a right to defend itself against aggressors, and if those aggressors subsequently hide in civilian areas, then civilians will die.[/p][/quote]The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering. Nikski
  • Score: 17

2:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

JHunty wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation.

Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction?

To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?

Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.
I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with.

I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful.

Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan
t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation. Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction? To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice? Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.[/p][/quote]I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with. I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful. Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more. Goyboy
  • Score: -15

2:11pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Goyboy wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation.

Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction?

To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?

Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.
I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with.

I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful.

Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan

t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more.
Hmmm ..... strangely when an other country uses fake UK passports to assist it's agents carrying out murder I'm unlikely to support that country that has attempted to bring my on country into disrepute. Israel is an unlawful state that carries out illegal acts.
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation. Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction? To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice? Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.[/p][/quote]I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with. I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful. Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more.[/p][/quote]Hmmm ..... strangely when an other country uses fake UK passports to assist it's agents carrying out murder I'm unlikely to support that country that has attempted to bring my on country into disrepute. Israel is an unlawful state that carries out illegal acts. Fight_Back
  • Score: 11

2:13pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Goyboy wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation.

Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction?

To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice?

Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.
I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with.

I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful.

Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan

t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more.
Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Unashamedly supporting Israel? If three British citizens were murdered, the British state would carry out an investigation. Three Israelis get killed and what is Israels reaction? To collectively punish the Palestinians by bombing Gaza and you dare to talk about justice? Yet still Israels supporters act as if Israel is the victim of aggression rather than the perpetrator of disproportionate violence aimed at cowing the Palestinians into submission so the process of stealing their country can carry on with out hinderance.[/p][/quote]I see the term 'collective punishment' is the latest addition to the anti-Israel brigades invective vocabulary, it will fit in snugly alongside racist, apartheid, wall, Zionazi and whatever else you can come up with. I mention the murder of the three Israeli boys and you chose to launch into a tirade against Israel being disproportionate, same sort of thing one finds on the Palestine Solidarity Campaign website...quick mention of the boys but used as a spring-board to slag off Israel...shameful. Of course Israel is the victim of aggression...constan t unrelenting aggression, either physically or nowadays through Media outlets, hence the name of 'Electronic Intafada'...which is just another method of attacking Israel without using weapons. What Israel bashers hate is that the liberal democracy of Israel is very capable of defending herself and will do so when necessary and being far stronger and more powerful it is extremely likely their enemies will suffer far more.[/p][/quote]Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen. Nikski
  • Score: 9

2:15pm Wed 2 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job.

The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed.

They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.
Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!!
Well this is novel - something we agree on !!!!!!!!
Ha ha ha - made me chuckle!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The Sodastream factory employed Palestinians who otherwise wouldn't have a job. The idiots who claimed to be pro-Palestine showed how stupid they were by trying to have those people return to being unemployed. They seem about as bright as the UAF.....and much less useful.[/p][/quote]Yeah perhaps the Palestinians should be grateful for a few jobs after all - as they have had their land continuously stolen over the last 70 odd years, as Israel continues to build and expand illegal settlements on occupied land, as Israeli Arabs are denied the same rights as Israeli Jews, as the people of Gaza are kept impoverished and virtually imprisoned for having the temerity to vote democratically for Hamas and as Israel continues to maim and murder dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians - men, women and CHILDREN - whether by sniper fire or tank shelling or by F16 jet bombings! Yeah you're right - the Palestinians have sooo much to be grateful for!![/p][/quote]Well this is novel - something we agree on !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Ha ha ha - made me chuckle!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 4

2:15pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.
Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen. Nikski
  • Score: 8

2:17pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel.

I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart !
Of course the Palestinian Arab lad that was killed matters and I hope justice prevails in his case as well, but why look for equivalence at this stage.

Most of the pro-Palestinian so called human-rights activists that I have engaged with have identified themselves as Marxist, Communist and Anarchist...although the latter name is merely something that wannabe anti-everything protesters think is romantic.

It is quite possible for a UKIP voter like yourself to align with a far left stance when it comes to Israel as it is far removed from your immediate locale...but I won't press the point.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel. I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart ![/p][/quote]Of course the Palestinian Arab lad that was killed matters and I hope justice prevails in his case as well, but why look for equivalence at this stage. Most of the pro-Palestinian so called human-rights activists that I have engaged with have identified themselves as Marxist, Communist and Anarchist...although the latter name is merely something that wannabe anti-everything protesters think is romantic. It is quite possible for a UKIP voter like yourself to align with a far left stance when it comes to Israel as it is far removed from your immediate locale...but I won't press the point. Goyboy
  • Score: -18

2:25pm Wed 2 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead!
What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians!
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead! What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 14

2:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

Nikski wrote:
Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.
Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation.

Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation. Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen. Goyboy
  • Score: -16

2:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Andy R says...

Goyboy wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel.

I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart !
Of course the Palestinian Arab lad that was killed matters and I hope justice prevails in his case as well, but why look for equivalence at this stage.

Most of the pro-Palestinian so called human-rights activists that I have engaged with have identified themselves as Marxist, Communist and Anarchist...although the latter name is merely something that wannabe anti-everything protesters think is romantic.

It is quite possible for a UKIP voter like yourself to align with a far left stance when it comes to Israel as it is far removed from your immediate locale...but I won't press the point.
You're kinda demonstrating the attitude I encountered outside the shop last Saturday when some people from the Brighton Benefits Campaign were harangued as "scroungers" by "Sussex Friends of Israel". It really put to bed the notion that there is any leftwing content in Zionism. That, and the fact that many of the members of SFI are actually right-wing fundamentalist Christians.
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]And of course to the Palestinian 16 year old killed ..... or does he not count to the Sussex Friends of Israel. I note you seem to think support for the poor Palestinians comes from the far left - well I support them and I'm a UKIP voter. Kind of blows your theory apart ![/p][/quote]Of course the Palestinian Arab lad that was killed matters and I hope justice prevails in his case as well, but why look for equivalence at this stage. Most of the pro-Palestinian so called human-rights activists that I have engaged with have identified themselves as Marxist, Communist and Anarchist...although the latter name is merely something that wannabe anti-everything protesters think is romantic. It is quite possible for a UKIP voter like yourself to align with a far left stance when it comes to Israel as it is far removed from your immediate locale...but I won't press the point.[/p][/quote]You're kinda demonstrating the attitude I encountered outside the shop last Saturday when some people from the Brighton Benefits Campaign were harangued as "scroungers" by "Sussex Friends of Israel". It really put to bed the notion that there is any leftwing content in Zionism. That, and the fact that many of the members of SFI are actually right-wing fundamentalist Christians. Andy R
  • Score: 13

2:33pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead!
What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians!
brighton bluenose says...

Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead!
What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians!
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At this particular juncture most of us are concerned with the three Israeli boys that were abducted and murdered...nothing can justify such a crime.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead! What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians![/p][/quote]brighton bluenose says... Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead! What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians! .................... .................... .................... .................... ............... Goyboy replied... At this particular juncture most of us are concerned with the three Israeli boys that were abducted and murdered...nothing can justify such a crime. Goyboy
  • Score: -8

2:44pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Goyboy wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.
Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation.

Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen.
Aah yet another individual who tries to legitimize Israel's illegal actions by dismissing international law and UN resolutions. If a country does not respect those what is left? I hadn't realised the UN was so corrupt and run by Arabs....so that's why it is 'targeting' Israel! Nothing to do with the fact that Israel flagrantly disregards international law then? Oh back to my first point.......I am afraid you argument sounds distinctly paranoid. But that's what bullies do isn't it; blame everything and everyone else and avoid any responsibility for their actions. "They made me do it honest"!
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation. Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen.[/p][/quote]Aah yet another individual who tries to legitimize Israel's illegal actions by dismissing international law and UN resolutions. If a country does not respect those what is left? I hadn't realised the UN was so corrupt and run by Arabs....so that's why it is 'targeting' Israel! Nothing to do with the fact that Israel flagrantly disregards international law then? Oh back to my first point.......I am afraid you argument sounds distinctly paranoid. But that's what bullies do isn't it; blame everything and everyone else and avoid any responsibility for their actions. "They made me do it honest"! Nikski
  • Score: 9

2:50pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Nikski wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.
Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation.

Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen.
Aah yet another individual who tries to legitimize Israel's illegal actions by dismissing international law and UN resolutions. If a country does not respect those what is left? I hadn't realised the UN was so corrupt and run by Arabs....so that's why it is 'targeting' Israel! Nothing to do with the fact that Israel flagrantly disregards international law then? Oh back to my first point.......I am afraid you argument sounds distinctly paranoid. But that's what bullies do isn't it; blame everything and everyone else and avoid any responsibility for their actions. "They made me do it honest"!
Indeed - apparently Germany's issue during the depression was the Jews ! Strange how Israel now blames someone else much like the Nazis.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen.[/p][/quote]Ahhh...yet another individual who seems to think that by quoting International Law and UN resolutions it adds legitimacy to their arguments...it doesn't..the UN has been infiltrated by the Arab bloc and is largely a corrupt institution that targets Israel more regularly than any other nation. Israel does not illegally occupy any land, much as yoiu might like to think so, and has bent over backwards to try and accomodate the idea of a State for the Palestinian Arabs, even though the Israelis are well aware that as a people group these Arabs have been thoroughly indoctrinated with bitter racial gatred against all Jews and will only be satisfied when Israel becomes a Palestinian State. That will never happen.[/p][/quote]Aah yet another individual who tries to legitimize Israel's illegal actions by dismissing international law and UN resolutions. If a country does not respect those what is left? I hadn't realised the UN was so corrupt and run by Arabs....so that's why it is 'targeting' Israel! Nothing to do with the fact that Israel flagrantly disregards international law then? Oh back to my first point.......I am afraid you argument sounds distinctly paranoid. But that's what bullies do isn't it; blame everything and everyone else and avoid any responsibility for their actions. "They made me do it honest"![/p][/quote]Indeed - apparently Germany's issue during the depression was the Jews ! Strange how Israel now blames someone else much like the Nazis. Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

3:52pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity.
So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity. Nikski
  • Score: 12

4:19pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity.
Seeing as one side follows the religion of hate, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity.[/p][/quote]Seeing as one side follows the religion of hate, that isn't going to happen any time soon. stevo!!
  • Score: 4

4:22pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.!

I am not ignorant of the numbers.

I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths.
"The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.! I am not ignorant of the numbers. I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"I'll add - when we fought the IRA, did we bomb civilians as the IRA hid among them ? No we didn't. Israel gets what it sows."

So no innocent people were killed as a result of action taken against the IRA?

How about the Dublin pub bombings?

What exactly has Israel sown? It was given borders upon its creation, it has been attacked (or forced to respond to aggression) periodically during its history against hostile neighbours, and it has retaliated when it felt it was necessary.

The Israelis chose to have a state surrounded by Arab neighbours. They had no issue with having borders with them. The Aggression has come from those Arab neighbours.
"I'll add - when we fought the IRA, did we bomb civilians as the IRA hid among them ? No we didn't. Israel gets what it sows." So no innocent people were killed as a result of action taken against the IRA? How about the Dublin pub bombings? What exactly has Israel sown? It was given borders upon its creation, it has been attacked (or forced to respond to aggression) periodically during its history against hostile neighbours, and it has retaliated when it felt it was necessary. The Israelis chose to have a state surrounded by Arab neighbours. They had no issue with having borders with them. The Aggression has come from those Arab neighbours. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

4:28pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect."

It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis.

Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it?
"The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect." It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis. Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it? stevo!!
  • Score: -4

4:34pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

stevo!! wrote:
"The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.!

I am not ignorant of the numbers.

I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths.
As I said: your ignorance is staggering. Nothing you have said so far would appear to contradict that. As yet I'm unsure whether it is wilful ignorance or just innate stupidity. In fact I have suspicions you are a wind-up-merchant as many of your posts are so ridiculous they couldn't be serious...?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.! I am not ignorant of the numbers. I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths.[/p][/quote]As I said: your ignorance is staggering. Nothing you have said so far would appear to contradict that. As yet I'm unsure whether it is wilful ignorance or just innate stupidity. In fact I have suspicions you are a wind-up-merchant as many of your posts are so ridiculous they couldn't be serious...? Nikski
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.!

I am not ignorant of the numbers.

I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths.
As I said: your ignorance is staggering. Nothing you have said so far would appear to contradict that. As yet I'm unsure whether it is wilful ignorance or just innate stupidity. In fact I have suspicions you are a wind-up-merchant as many of your posts are so ridiculous they couldn't be serious...?
OK, what caused Operation Cast Lead?

If you've forgotten what it was, it was the invasion of Gaza by Israel in 2008 which ended when the Israelis withdrew.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The fact is more than 1500 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces since 2000. Stevo your ignorance really is staggering.! I am not ignorant of the numbers. I'm pointing out that most Palestinian children are killed as a direct result of the actions of Palestinian adults, and that most on here are denying any Palestinian involvement in those deaths.[/p][/quote]As I said: your ignorance is staggering. Nothing you have said so far would appear to contradict that. As yet I'm unsure whether it is wilful ignorance or just innate stupidity. In fact I have suspicions you are a wind-up-merchant as many of your posts are so ridiculous they couldn't be serious...?[/p][/quote]OK, what caused Operation Cast Lead? If you've forgotten what it was, it was the invasion of Gaza by Israel in 2008 which ended when the Israelis withdrew. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

5:01pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen."

Israel has a legal right to exist and to defend itself.

If it wanted to rid the region of Palestinians, it certainly has the fire-power to do so.
"Yes by carrying out state terrorism, illegal occupation and consistently ignoring international law and countless UN resolutions. Israel is a bully and won't rest until it has crushed the Palestinian people. That will never happen." Israel has a legal right to exist and to defend itself. If it wanted to rid the region of Palestinians, it certainly has the fire-power to do so. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

5:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
"The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect."

It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis.

Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it?
You write constant and unadulterated ignorant garbage!!
The Israelis are the aggressors and have been killing Palestinians for decades as anyone with half a brain can plainly see - the Palestinians aren't 'stupid' they are fighting for their families, their land, their freedom and their very existence!

Unless in
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect." It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis. Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it?[/p][/quote]You write constant and unadulterated ignorant garbage!! The Israelis are the aggressors and have been killing Palestinians for decades as anyone with half a brain can plainly see - the Palestinians aren't 'stupid' they are fighting for their families, their land, their freedom and their very existence! Unless in brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

5:10pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"The Israelis are the aggressors and have been killing Palestinians for decades as anyone with half a brain can plainly see - the Palestinians aren't 'stupid' they are fighting for their families, their land, their freedom and their very existence!"

You write constant and unadulterated ignorant garbage!!

The Israelis could wipe out the population of Gaza and the West Bank should they choose.

They choose not to.

Instead they have negotiated peaceful settlements with the Palestinians which have been broken always by the Palestinians.

Are you aware of the daily barrage from Gaza?
"The Israelis are the aggressors and have been killing Palestinians for decades as anyone with half a brain can plainly see - the Palestinians aren't 'stupid' they are fighting for their families, their land, their freedom and their very existence!" You write constant and unadulterated ignorant garbage!! The Israelis could wipe out the population of Gaza and the West Bank should they choose. They choose not to. Instead they have negotiated peaceful settlements with the Palestinians which have been broken always by the Palestinians. Are you aware of the daily barrage from Gaza? stevo!!
  • Score: -6

5:38pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect."

It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis.

Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it?
No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from. I assume that you'll be quite happy when the powers in Rome knock on your door and take over your house because a few hundred years ago they ruled Britain ?

We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The death rate for Palestinians in the conflict runs at six times higher than the Israeli one. Now no deaths are good but to suggest the Israelis are somehow being slaughtered is incorrect." It just shows how stupid the Palestinian aggressors are for taking on the might of the Israelis. Israelis have been killed by Palestinians for decades. You appear to be ignorant of that fact.......or are you merely ignoring it?[/p][/quote]No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from. I assume that you'll be quite happy when the powers in Rome knock on your door and take over your house because a few hundred years ago they ruled Britain ? We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children. Fight_Back
  • Score: -2

5:53pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Wide Bertha says...

Goyboy wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Goyboy wrote:
Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand.

One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel.

At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.
Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead!
What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians!
brighton bluenose says...

Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead!
What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians!
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Goyboy replied...

At this particular juncture most of us are concerned with the three Israeli boys that were abducted and murdered...nothing can justify such a crime.
third person... LOL
[quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goyboy[/bold] wrote: Yep the EcoStream shop has finally closed, not due to the efforts of the BDS; much as they like to crow about it, nor to the people of Brighton making an informed choice not to shop there...it closed like many other start up businesses because the location and the products being sold were not in high enough demand. One of the real benefits though has been the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel as a group who have passionately demonstrated they are not going to sit idly by and let the BDS present their far-left slant on the Middle-East conflict go unopposed any longer, and although the shop has gone it is heartening to know that from now on there will be a group in Brighton and Hove that unashamedly support the nation of Israel. At this particular time our hearts go out to the families and friends of the three abducted and murdered Israeli young men, Gil'ad, Naftali and Eyal...and may justice prevail.[/p][/quote]Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead! What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians![/p][/quote]brighton bluenose says... Yeah and my heart goes out to the victims of Deir Yassin, of Sabra, Chatilla, Qana and many many more unheralded victims of Israeli Zionist aggression and murder - along with the 300+ children killed during Operation Cast Lead! What happened to those three young Israelis was both horrific and wrong - but maybe you should ask yourself WHY it happened?! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you ask for 'justice' but the whole world sees that you deny it to the Palestinians! .................... .................... .................... .................... ............... Goyboy replied... At this particular juncture most of us are concerned with the three Israeli boys that were abducted and murdered...nothing can justify such a crime.[/p][/quote]third person... LOL Wide Bertha
  • Score: -2

5:54pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from."

It wasn't 'their' land.

It had been controlled by the Ottoman Turks until that empire fell apart, from when it was administered by the British. Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other, and this led to two effective civil wars before it was decided to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, known as Israel and Transjordan.

So the land wasn't 'stolen' from them, because they didn't actually control it.
"No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from." It wasn't 'their' land. It had been controlled by the Ottoman Turks until that empire fell apart, from when it was administered by the British. Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other, and this led to two effective civil wars before it was decided to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, known as Israel and Transjordan. So the land wasn't 'stolen' from them, because they didn't actually control it. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children."

There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing.

I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.
"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children." There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing. I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children. stevo!!
  • Score: -8

6:25pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from."

It wasn't 'their' land.

It had been controlled by the Ottoman Turks until that empire fell apart, from when it was administered by the British. Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other, and this led to two effective civil wars before it was decided to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, known as Israel and Transjordan.

So the land wasn't 'stolen' from them, because they didn't actually control it.
Rubbish, Israel was carved out of Palestine. Now Israel occupies lands that even they UN says they shouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "No I'm not ignorant but given the Palestinians had their lands stolen to create the state of Israel I get where they are coming from." It wasn't 'their' land. It had been controlled by the Ottoman Turks until that empire fell apart, from when it was administered by the British. Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other, and this led to two effective civil wars before it was decided to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, known as Israel and Transjordan. So the land wasn't 'stolen' from them, because they didn't actually control it.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, Israel was carved out of Palestine. Now Israel occupies lands that even they UN says they shouldn't. Fight_Back
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

" Israel was carved out of Palestine. "

I know.....I just said that.

Argue with yourself, by all means.
" Israel was carved out of Palestine. " I know.....I just said that. Argue with yourself, by all means. stevo!!
  • Score: -9

6:30pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children."

There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing.

I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.
You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/10526541

Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children." There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing. I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.[/p][/quote]You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/10526541 Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists. Fight_Back
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children."

There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing.

I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.
You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/10526541

Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.
So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel.

Thanks for destroying your own claim.

If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage.

You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children." There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing. I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.[/p][/quote]You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/10526541 Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.[/p][/quote]So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel. Thanks for destroying your own claim. If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage. You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

7:11pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Wide Bertha says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children."

There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing.

I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.
You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/10526541

Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.
So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel.

Thanks for destroying your own claim.

If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage.

You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points.
care to name them ?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children." There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing. I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.[/p][/quote]You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/10526541 Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.[/p][/quote]So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel. Thanks for destroying your own claim. If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage. You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points.[/p][/quote]care to name them ? Wide Bertha
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children."

There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing.

I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.
You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/10526541

Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.
So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel.

Thanks for destroying your own claim.

If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage.

You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points.
care to name them ?
Steve Foster and me, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "We'll not even got into the illegal acts the Israelis have committed by bulldozing houses ( sometimes with people in them ) or the use of white phosphorus or indeed snipers against women and children." There is generally a court order for the bulldozing of houses, and if people choose to remain in them, then they are trespassing. I can find no record of any Israeli snipers targeting women and children.[/p][/quote]You may choose to remain blind but this is one of many examples a quick google brings up - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/10526541 Just face it, your beloved Israel is nothing but a terrorist state. Oh, and your clearly Steve Foster on another site who also supports the Israeli terrorists.[/p][/quote]So Israel didn't use sniper tactics, as you claimed. One soldier acting alone and against orders doesn't constitute the state of Israel. Thanks for destroying your own claim. If Israel were a terrorist state, then it wouldn't be welcome on the world stage. You seem upset that at least two people have the intelligence to argue against your points.[/p][/quote]care to name them ?[/p][/quote]Steve Foster and me, obviously. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

9:09pm Wed 2 Jul 14

MasonStorm says...

haha scum
haha scum MasonStorm
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Wide Bertha says...

Sorry, but you said ' have the intelligence ' ... can you display whereabouts on any of these threads we can find this intelligence you speak of, because looking at your posts on any and every subject, none is apparent.
Sorry, but you said ' have the intelligence ' ... can you display whereabouts on any of these threads we can find this intelligence you speak of, because looking at your posts on any and every subject, none is apparent. Wide Bertha
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Wed 2 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
Sorry, but you said ' have the intelligence ' ... can you display whereabouts on any of these threads we can find this intelligence you speak of, because looking at your posts on any and every subject, none is apparent.
If anyone makes a comment that YOU think isn't displaying intelligence on the part of the writer, you are free to quote it and either tear it apart using facts or correct it.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but you said ' have the intelligence ' ... can you display whereabouts on any of these threads we can find this intelligence you speak of, because looking at your posts on any and every subject, none is apparent.[/p][/quote]If anyone makes a comment that YOU think isn't displaying intelligence on the part of the writer, you are free to quote it and either tear it apart using facts or correct it. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -2

11:30pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-
Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!- Nikski
  • Score: 0

11:40pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Nikski wrote:
Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-
No. He mentioned some uncomfortable truths, that rarely get mentioned, but got to the crux of the matter.

Your blinkered view of everything Isreali must be wrong or unlawful, cherry picks from history. So going back through time, at some point Israelis or Jews made up a key population group in the region. Moving away for safety or being 'eliminated' due to unfavourable regimes over the centuries, didn't wipe their claim to live or own land there. They've suffered as much as anyone, including in modern times, but it wouldn't fit in with your entrenched and typical bigotry to even admit it.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-[/p][/quote]No. He mentioned some uncomfortable truths, that rarely get mentioned, but got to the crux of the matter. Your blinkered view of everything Isreali must be wrong or unlawful, cherry picks from history. So going back through time, at some point Israelis or Jews made up a key population group in the region. Moving away for safety or being 'eliminated' due to unfavourable regimes over the centuries, didn't wipe their claim to live or own land there. They've suffered as much as anyone, including in modern times, but it wouldn't fit in with your entrenched and typical bigotry to even admit it. Withdean-er
  • Score: -3

12:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-
You said the same on the 'bus' thread.

Basically, I'm way too intelligent for you.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-[/p][/quote]You said the same on the 'bus' thread. Basically, I'm way too intelligent for you. stevo!!
  • Score: -4

12:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-
Have you worked out why the Israelis invaded Gaza in 2008?

Have you realised that it was due to the actions of Palestinian adults that caused it and the subsequent civilian deaths?

I was right about what I said.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Frankly Stevo, there is no need to either correct or rip apart your comments as they speak for themselves; what they are saying is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order!-[/p][/quote]Have you worked out why the Israelis invaded Gaza in 2008? Have you realised that it was due to the actions of Palestinian adults that caused it and the subsequent civilian deaths? I was right about what I said. stevo!!
  • Score: -4

12:44am Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

I wonder how many of these so called pro Palestinians know how many Palestinians have been killed in recent months in Syria?

It is more than in Gaza.

The Palestine Solidarity campaign has said nothing about it. It seems these individuals are more concerned with hating Israel than caring about Palestinian Arabs.
I wonder how many of these so called pro Palestinians know how many Palestinians have been killed in recent months in Syria? It is more than in Gaza. The Palestine Solidarity campaign has said nothing about it. It seems these individuals are more concerned with hating Israel than caring about Palestinian Arabs. Pulcinella
  • Score: -3

12:46am Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

Nikski

Your historical revisionism would suggest that it is you who is the ignoramus - and one driven by obsessive hatred to boot.
Nikski Your historical revisionism would suggest that it is you who is the ignoramus - and one driven by obsessive hatred to boot. Pulcinella
  • Score: 2

2:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

Goyboy says...

Going back to the article...the title of it 'ECO SHOP CLOSES AFTER PROTESTS' is in itself misleading...the protest and the counter protest were a pain in the rear, but were not instrumental in the shop's closure.

The most interesting thing that has happened because of the initial BDS protest and despite the closure of the shop is the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel who will continue to passionately advocate for Israel and give the opportunity for the Brighton and Hove public to chat or read material that counters some common misconceptions about Israel, challenges the many lies that abound and shows the diverse innovations and discoveries that come from such a tiny country on such a regular basis...and benfits the world.

One of the things that became obvious while watching the BDS members calling for the boycott of Israel, was the blatant hypocrisy as they filmed people using videos and phones with Israeli components in them, and were happy to send out hate-fuelled propaganda from computers using Israeli technology...or use medicines developed in Israel. Just like Baghouti who co-founded the BDS , and while calling for an academic boycott of Israel went to Tel Aviv University...you couldn't make it up.
Going back to the article...the title of it 'ECO SHOP CLOSES AFTER PROTESTS' is in itself misleading...the protest and the counter protest were a pain in the rear, but were not instrumental in the shop's closure. The most interesting thing that has happened because of the initial BDS protest and despite the closure of the shop is the emergence of Sussex Friends of Israel who will continue to passionately advocate for Israel and give the opportunity for the Brighton and Hove public to chat or read material that counters some common misconceptions about Israel, challenges the many lies that abound and shows the diverse innovations and discoveries that come from such a tiny country on such a regular basis...and benfits the world. One of the things that became obvious while watching the BDS members calling for the boycott of Israel, was the blatant hypocrisy as they filmed people using videos and phones with Israeli components in them, and were happy to send out hate-fuelled propaganda from computers using Israeli technology...or use medicines developed in Israel. Just like Baghouti who co-founded the BDS , and while calling for an academic boycott of Israel went to Tel Aviv University...you couldn't make it up. Goyboy
  • Score: 4

9:30am Thu 3 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Pulcinella wrote:
Nikski

Your historical revisionism would suggest that it is you who is the ignoramus - and one driven by obsessive hatred to boot.
If you wish to describe me as an ignoramus that is entirely your prerogative, but how dare you accuse me of obsessive hatred. I have absolutely no hatred of Israelis, just the military aggressive state that has inflicted so much death and misery upon the Palestinians, and has consistently ignored international law and UN resolutions. Many years ago I was very good friends with a couple, he an Israeli and she Lebanese. After his national service in Israel they left the country as they did not want to bring up their children there. I am well aware that there are many Israelis living in Israel who oppose the actions of their state and long for peace.
And please see my earlier post:
"So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity."
My greatest wish is that Israelis and Palestinians will one day live together in peace, although that is seeming increasingly unlikely.
But there is always hope, and sometimes hope is all there is.
[quote][p][bold]Pulcinella[/bold] wrote: Nikski Your historical revisionism would suggest that it is you who is the ignoramus - and one driven by obsessive hatred to boot.[/p][/quote]If you wish to describe me as an ignoramus that is entirely your prerogative, but how dare you accuse me of obsessive hatred. I have absolutely no hatred of Israelis, just the military aggressive state that has inflicted so much death and misery upon the Palestinians, and has consistently ignored international law and UN resolutions. Many years ago I was very good friends with a couple, he an Israeli and she Lebanese. After his national service in Israel they left the country as they did not want to bring up their children there. I am well aware that there are many Israelis living in Israel who oppose the actions of their state and long for peace. And please see my earlier post: "So, a young Palestinian has now been killed too, another family grieving. These four families will be feeling the same terrible pain, sadness and loss; to lose a loved one in such tragic circumstances is the same whatever your religion or nationality. This endless cycle of attack, revenge, punishment achieves nothing except the incitement of more hatred, and the only certainty in this whole miserable conflict is that at some point BOTH sides are going to have to lay down their arms and come together to talk. Resolution and lasting peace can only be achieved through shared understanding and a common humanity." My greatest wish is that Israelis and Palestinians will one day live together in peace, although that is seeming increasingly unlikely. But there is always hope, and sometimes hope is all there is. Nikski
  • Score: 6

10:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

I see that no-one is able to counter the fact that most Palestinian children die as a result of actions taken by Palestinian adults.
I see that no-one is able to counter the fact that most Palestinian children die as a result of actions taken by Palestinian adults. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

12:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

stevo!! wrote:
The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.
And those Palestinians were happy to be paid more than the minimum wage. I wonder where they will find work now.

I doubt if it was due to pro-Palestinian protests that the shop is closing. Brighton people are not that gullible, and will shop wherever there is good value to be had, regardless of politics. Whenever I went in there I found it hard to find something I wanted to buy, especially with Waitrose and Sainsburys not very far away.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: The idiots on here can moan all they like, but those Palestinians were happy to be employed by Sodastream, yet the so-called pro-Palestine morons objected.[/p][/quote]And those Palestinians were happy to be paid more than the minimum wage. I wonder where they will find work now. I doubt if it was due to pro-Palestinian protests that the shop is closing. Brighton people are not that gullible, and will shop wherever there is good value to be had, regardless of politics. Whenever I went in there I found it hard to find something I wanted to buy, especially with Waitrose and Sainsburys not very far away. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

Nikski

Most Israelis (overwhelmingly in fact) support their state, quoting one individual whose Jewish identity was so strong he married out of the faith really doesn't impress me. Israel is a democracy, and its government reflects the will of its people. there are alsways exceptions to anything everywhere, so your point is meaningless.

Israel does not ignore international law. Indeed, international law has been flouted repeatedly by the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and every state surrounding Israel. You do not understand the difference between law and legal opinion - nor do you understand how legislation is applied.

You also need to understand the difference between chapter 6 Un resolutions, and chapter 7 resolutions at the UN - which is a body comprised (over half) of states which are dictatorships, tyrannies and police states. So pardon me if I don't give a s1it what the Un says. This is a body which put Libya in charge of human rights and Zimbabwe in charge of economic development.
Nikski Most Israelis (overwhelmingly in fact) support their state, quoting one individual whose Jewish identity was so strong he married out of the faith really doesn't impress me. Israel is a democracy, and its government reflects the will of its people. there are alsways exceptions to anything everywhere, so your point is meaningless. Israel does not ignore international law. Indeed, international law has been flouted repeatedly by the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and every state surrounding Israel. You do not understand the difference between law and legal opinion - nor do you understand how legislation is applied. You also need to understand the difference between chapter 6 Un resolutions, and chapter 7 resolutions at the UN - which is a body comprised (over half) of states which are dictatorships, tyrannies and police states. So pardon me if I don't give a s1it what the Un says. This is a body which put Libya in charge of human rights and Zimbabwe in charge of economic development. Pulcinella
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

So yes Nikski, you are a hater - because you only criticize selectively.

It would be nice to read an original thought, rather than what you gleaned from slogans and hate sites.
So yes Nikski, you are a hater - because you only criticize selectively. It would be nice to read an original thought, rather than what you gleaned from slogans and hate sites. Pulcinella
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Nikski says...

How would you know what an original thought is? It is obviously an alien concept to you.
How would you know what an original thought is? It is obviously an alien concept to you. Nikski
  • Score: -2

6:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Pulcinella wrote:
Nikski

Most Israelis (overwhelmingly in fact) support their state, quoting one individual whose Jewish identity was so strong he married out of the faith really doesn't impress me. Israel is a democracy, and its government reflects the will of its people. there are alsways exceptions to anything everywhere, so your point is meaningless.

Israel does not ignore international law. Indeed, international law has been flouted repeatedly by the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and every state surrounding Israel. You do not understand the difference between law and legal opinion - nor do you understand how legislation is applied.

You also need to understand the difference between chapter 6 Un resolutions, and chapter 7 resolutions at the UN - which is a body comprised (over half) of states which are dictatorships, tyrannies and police states. So pardon me if I don't give a s1it what the Un says. This is a body which put Libya in charge of human rights and Zimbabwe in charge of economic development.
Where did I say my friend married out of the faith? I said his wife was Lebanese, no mention of any faith....best not to make assumptions eh? Your attitude is very arrogant and perfectly illustrates why peace will be so hard to achieve; your mind is closed and you have utter disregard for the UN and no interest in any other views apart from your own narrow vision.
[quote][p][bold]Pulcinella[/bold] wrote: Nikski Most Israelis (overwhelmingly in fact) support their state, quoting one individual whose Jewish identity was so strong he married out of the faith really doesn't impress me. Israel is a democracy, and its government reflects the will of its people. there are alsways exceptions to anything everywhere, so your point is meaningless. Israel does not ignore international law. Indeed, international law has been flouted repeatedly by the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and every state surrounding Israel. You do not understand the difference between law and legal opinion - nor do you understand how legislation is applied. You also need to understand the difference between chapter 6 Un resolutions, and chapter 7 resolutions at the UN - which is a body comprised (over half) of states which are dictatorships, tyrannies and police states. So pardon me if I don't give a s1it what the Un says. This is a body which put Libya in charge of human rights and Zimbabwe in charge of economic development.[/p][/quote]Where did I say my friend married out of the faith? I said his wife was Lebanese, no mention of any faith....best not to make assumptions eh? Your attitude is very arrogant and perfectly illustrates why peace will be so hard to achieve; your mind is closed and you have utter disregard for the UN and no interest in any other views apart from your own narrow vision. Nikski
  • Score: -1

7:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Nikski says...

Pulcinella wrote:
So yes Nikski, you are a hater - because you only criticize selectively.

It would be nice to read an original thought, rather than what you gleaned from slogans and hate sites.
I think it will be apparent to most people reading your posts that you are the hater and that those who disagree with you are the enemy; "If you are not with me you are against me".
[quote][p][bold]Pulcinella[/bold] wrote: So yes Nikski, you are a hater - because you only criticize selectively. It would be nice to read an original thought, rather than what you gleaned from slogans and hate sites.[/p][/quote]I think it will be apparent to most people reading your posts that you are the hater and that those who disagree with you are the enemy; "If you are not with me you are against me". Nikski
  • Score: -3

8:08pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"I doubt if it was due to pro-Palestinian protests that the shop is closing. "

At no point did I state or imply that the shop closed due to those protests.

I was talking about the protesters who claimed to be pro-Palestinian yet wanted Palestinians to be thrown out of work because they worked for a Jewish company.

I do hope that is the last time I have to explain that simple point.
"I doubt if it was due to pro-Palestinian protests that the shop is closing. " At no point did I state or imply that the shop closed due to those protests. I was talking about the protesters who claimed to be pro-Palestinian yet wanted Palestinians to be thrown out of work because they worked for a Jewish company. I do hope that is the last time I have to explain that simple point. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

11:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

How many Lebanese Jews are there Nikski?

Peace will be hard to come by because of the incessant Jew hatred pumped out in Palestinian society - the three finger salute became endemic in Palestinian areas after the three Jewish teenagers went missing, and sweets handed out in the streets. Celebrations were openly held.

Hamas praised the kidnapping, and is an organization which openly advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter - if you ever bothered to read it.

A poll recently commissioned by the ADL (available to view online) shows that the most anti-Semitic people on earth are the Palestinian Arabs.

And as we speak, the Palestinians are launching indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli towns and villages (3pm school pickup time is the most active) whilst Hamas does nothing towards nation building, but expends huge amounts of money and energy trying to kill Jews.

Of course, none of that has a negative impact on the chances of peace. At least to gullible Western haters like you.

How many Palestinians have been killed in Syria Nikski - and where is the Palestine Solidarity Campaign's statement on it?
How many Lebanese Jews are there Nikski? Peace will be hard to come by because of the incessant Jew hatred pumped out in Palestinian society - the three finger salute became endemic in Palestinian areas after the three Jewish teenagers went missing, and sweets handed out in the streets. Celebrations were openly held. Hamas praised the kidnapping, and is an organization which openly advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter - if you ever bothered to read it. A poll recently commissioned by the ADL (available to view online) shows that the most anti-Semitic people on earth are the Palestinian Arabs. And as we speak, the Palestinians are launching indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli towns and villages (3pm school pickup time is the most active) whilst Hamas does nothing towards nation building, but expends huge amounts of money and energy trying to kill Jews. Of course, none of that has a negative impact on the chances of peace. At least to gullible Western haters like you. How many Palestinians have been killed in Syria Nikski - and where is the Palestine Solidarity Campaign's statement on it? Pulcinella
  • Score: 2

11:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

Nikski - the hater is the one whose supposed "outrage" is decidedly selective.
Nikski - the hater is the one whose supposed "outrage" is decidedly selective. Pulcinella
  • Score: 1

2:28am Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims.

That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here.
I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims. That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

9:26am Fri 4 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

stevo!! - the haters like Nikski and Wide Bertha can only speak in pre-fabricated slogans - critical thinking or proof is not necessary.
stevo!! - the haters like Nikski and Wide Bertha can only speak in pre-fabricated slogans - critical thinking or proof is not necessary. Pulcinella
  • Score: 2

9:27am Fri 4 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

Nikski - still waiting for that number of Lebanese Jews...
Nikski - still waiting for that number of Lebanese Jews... Pulcinella
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

What a surprise - once Nikski's twisted worldview is challenged, he/she/it disappears.

Such confidence in one's opinions...
What a surprise - once Nikski's twisted worldview is challenged, he/she/it disappears. Such confidence in one's opinions... Pulcinella
  • Score: 1

8:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

hursthill says...

At the time of posting this comment ( 5days after the original article), Hamas is firing a rocket every 2 minutes at Israel , with the aim of killing Israeli children.

Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself.
At the time of posting this comment ( 5days after the original article), Hamas is firing a rocket every 2 minutes at Israel , with the aim of killing Israeli children. Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself. hursthill
  • Score: 6

12:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Fairfax Aches says...

I quite enjoyed the Saturday shin dig this protest had become, entertaining to watch the "lively" exchanges between facists/communists. I once chucked a stink bomb into the middle of them which didn't seem to deter them too much, suppose the smell was nothing knew.
I quite enjoyed the Saturday shin dig this protest had become, entertaining to watch the "lively" exchanges between facists/communists. I once chucked a stink bomb into the middle of them which didn't seem to deter them too much, suppose the smell was nothing knew. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -1

1:36pm Tue 8 Jul 14

DavidDrive says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
I quite enjoyed the Saturday shin dig this protest had become, entertaining to watch the "lively" exchanges between facists/communists. I once chucked a stink bomb into the middle of them which didn't seem to deter them too much, suppose the smell was nothing knew.
The shop has closed, yet there were still protesters there this weekend. Why? And who pays for the Police presence each week?
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: I quite enjoyed the Saturday shin dig this protest had become, entertaining to watch the "lively" exchanges between facists/communists. I once chucked a stink bomb into the middle of them which didn't seem to deter them too much, suppose the smell was nothing knew.[/p][/quote]The shop has closed, yet there were still protesters there this weekend. Why? And who pays for the Police presence each week? DavidDrive
  • Score: 2

6:56pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Wide Bertha says...

stevo!! wrote:
I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims.

That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here.
It also happens because some people have better things to do than waste all of their time writing inane comments on newspaper websites.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims. That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here.[/p][/quote]It also happens because some people have better things to do than waste all of their time writing inane comments on newspaper websites. Wide Bertha
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Thumper Hove says...

hursthill wrote:
At the time of posting this comment ( 5days after the original article), Hamas is firing a rocket every 2 minutes at Israel , with the aim of killing Israeli children.

Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself.
Why let a few facts get in the way of your comment?
Every year, for every single Israeli murdered between 10-20 Palestinians are murdered. ALL killing is wrong. The first Iraqi war started by Saddam's illegal occupation of Kuwait. Yet the same Americans let Israel break International Law by its illegal occupation of Palestinian land, many encourage it.
If Israel is really committed to peace, it would remove its illegal settlements and comply with International law and agreed borders. Then any excuse for conflict by Hamas would be removed and peace may even be possible in the region. Will Israel do so? Of course not. Much is said about Hamas 'wanting to get rid of Israel', yet that country is doing the very same thing with Palestinians.
I repeat, all killing is wrong, but Palestinian lives are just as important as Israeli ones.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: At the time of posting this comment ( 5days after the original article), Hamas is firing a rocket every 2 minutes at Israel , with the aim of killing Israeli children. Israel has both a moral & legal right to defend itself.[/p][/quote]Why let a few facts get in the way of your comment? Every year, for every single Israeli murdered between 10-20 Palestinians are murdered. ALL killing is wrong. The first Iraqi war started by Saddam's illegal occupation of Kuwait. Yet the same Americans let Israel break International Law by its illegal occupation of Palestinian land, many encourage it. If Israel is really committed to peace, it would remove its illegal settlements and comply with International law and agreed borders. Then any excuse for conflict by Hamas would be removed and peace may even be possible in the region. Will Israel do so? Of course not. Much is said about Hamas 'wanting to get rid of Israel', yet that country is doing the very same thing with Palestinians. I repeat, all killing is wrong, but Palestinian lives are just as important as Israeli ones. Thumper Hove
  • Score: -2

10:22am Fri 11 Jul 14

Pulcinella says...

Thumper Hove, that is patent nonsense.

You use the term "murder". So when a terrorist is stopped from launching a missile, is he "murdered"? When a Hamas operative directing suicide bombings is killed, is he "murdered"?

Hamas has long used the tactic of firing missiles from deep within civilian areas - it is a double win - and they openly cite the tactic if you bothered to research it. They win because if Israel responds, civilians inevitably get killed. If Israel doesn't respond (and it frequently does not return fire in densely populated areas), they win because they can continue to fire with impunity. There is no moral equivalence - with is simply the result of lazy and intellectually dishonest thinking. Your post ignores cause and effect and eschews all context.

Look, it's quite simple. Israel left Gaza - it even disinterred the dead from the Jewish cemeteries. Jewish philanthropists bought the industrial green houses to give to the Palestinian Authority. The first thing the Palestinians did was destroy the green houses, burn down the synagogues and launch missiles. Then Hamas ttok control in a coup - the same Hamas which advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter, and which uses its own people as human shields in its obsessive and relentless drive to kill Jews. It does nothing for the Palestinians, except rule by dictat and persecute gays and women.

By the way, thousands of tonnes of supplies go into Gaza every week from Israel, I have seen it. By contrast, Egypt, the Gazans fellow Arabs and Muslims, operate a total blockade and give Gaza precisely zero. Hamas fires rockets into Israel, not Egypt.

I think you need to think about this a bit more.
Thumper Hove, that is patent nonsense. You use the term "murder". So when a terrorist is stopped from launching a missile, is he "murdered"? When a Hamas operative directing suicide bombings is killed, is he "murdered"? Hamas has long used the tactic of firing missiles from deep within civilian areas - it is a double win - and they openly cite the tactic if you bothered to research it. They win because if Israel responds, civilians inevitably get killed. If Israel doesn't respond (and it frequently does not return fire in densely populated areas), they win because they can continue to fire with impunity. There is no moral equivalence - with is simply the result of lazy and intellectually dishonest thinking. Your post ignores cause and effect and eschews all context. Look, it's quite simple. Israel left Gaza - it even disinterred the dead from the Jewish cemeteries. Jewish philanthropists bought the industrial green houses to give to the Palestinian Authority. The first thing the Palestinians did was destroy the green houses, burn down the synagogues and launch missiles. Then Hamas ttok control in a coup - the same Hamas which advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter, and which uses its own people as human shields in its obsessive and relentless drive to kill Jews. It does nothing for the Palestinians, except rule by dictat and persecute gays and women. By the way, thousands of tonnes of supplies go into Gaza every week from Israel, I have seen it. By contrast, Egypt, the Gazans fellow Arabs and Muslims, operate a total blockade and give Gaza precisely zero. Hamas fires rockets into Israel, not Egypt. I think you need to think about this a bit more. Pulcinella
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4:37pm Fri 18 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims.

That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here.
It also happens because some people have better things to do than waste all of their time writing inane comments on newspaper websites.
But you returned to the page and STILL didn't support your claims.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: I see that Wide Bertha went very quiet when asked to provide evidence of her ridiculous claims. That happens a lot to those who oppose me on here.[/p][/quote]It also happens because some people have better things to do than waste all of their time writing inane comments on newspaper websites.[/p][/quote]But you returned to the page and STILL didn't support your claims. stevo!!
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10:09am Wed 23 Jul 14

Thumper Hove says...

Pulcinella wrote:
Thumper Hove, that is patent nonsense.

You use the term "murder". So when a terrorist is stopped from launching a missile, is he "murdered"? When a Hamas operative directing suicide bombings is killed, is he "murdered"?

Hamas has long used the tactic of firing missiles from deep within civilian areas - it is a double win - and they openly cite the tactic if you bothered to research it. They win because if Israel responds, civilians inevitably get killed. If Israel doesn't respond (and it frequently does not return fire in densely populated areas), they win because they can continue to fire with impunity. There is no moral equivalence - with is simply the result of lazy and intellectually dishonest thinking. Your post ignores cause and effect and eschews all context.

Look, it's quite simple. Israel left Gaza - it even disinterred the dead from the Jewish cemeteries. Jewish philanthropists bought the industrial green houses to give to the Palestinian Authority. The first thing the Palestinians did was destroy the green houses, burn down the synagogues and launch missiles. Then Hamas ttok control in a coup - the same Hamas which advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter, and which uses its own people as human shields in its obsessive and relentless drive to kill Jews. It does nothing for the Palestinians, except rule by dictat and persecute gays and women.

By the way, thousands of tonnes of supplies go into Gaza every week from Israel, I have seen it. By contrast, Egypt, the Gazans fellow Arabs and Muslims, operate a total blockade and give Gaza precisely zero. Hamas fires rockets into Israel, not Egypt.

I think you need to think about this a bit more.
I'd have a sensible debate with you if I thought that possible, You conveniently miss out the death toll, 250/1 in Israel's failure - if Hamas had all these 'suicide bombers' then why is the Israeli toll much higher - thank God this is not the case.. MOst of the Palestinian deaths are innocent, frequently children but you think this is OK because sometimes Israel does not murder more with more rocket attacks! By all means go after Hamas but not at the expense of hundreds of civilian lives.

Israel calls Palestinians terrorists but it is true that Israel sparks 'terrot' into Palestinians. Terrorism and Terror are too frequently used to excuse murderous behaviour, not only by Israel but by other nations wanting to excuse their actions (looking at you Russia). Also, you ignore the massive land grabs that Israel has conducted - the first Gulf War started with less.

There can be a permanent solution, but Israel needs to abide by International Law and give back the stolen 'occupied' land to the Palestinians. Then BOTH sides need to cease terror activities.
[quote][p][bold]Pulcinella[/bold] wrote: Thumper Hove, that is patent nonsense. You use the term "murder". So when a terrorist is stopped from launching a missile, is he "murdered"? When a Hamas operative directing suicide bombings is killed, is he "murdered"? Hamas has long used the tactic of firing missiles from deep within civilian areas - it is a double win - and they openly cite the tactic if you bothered to research it. They win because if Israel responds, civilians inevitably get killed. If Israel doesn't respond (and it frequently does not return fire in densely populated areas), they win because they can continue to fire with impunity. There is no moral equivalence - with is simply the result of lazy and intellectually dishonest thinking. Your post ignores cause and effect and eschews all context. Look, it's quite simple. Israel left Gaza - it even disinterred the dead from the Jewish cemeteries. Jewish philanthropists bought the industrial green houses to give to the Palestinian Authority. The first thing the Palestinians did was destroy the green houses, burn down the synagogues and launch missiles. Then Hamas ttok control in a coup - the same Hamas which advocates genocide against every last Jew on earth in its charter, and which uses its own people as human shields in its obsessive and relentless drive to kill Jews. It does nothing for the Palestinians, except rule by dictat and persecute gays and women. By the way, thousands of tonnes of supplies go into Gaza every week from Israel, I have seen it. By contrast, Egypt, the Gazans fellow Arabs and Muslims, operate a total blockade and give Gaza precisely zero. Hamas fires rockets into Israel, not Egypt. I think you need to think about this a bit more.[/p][/quote]I'd have a sensible debate with you if I thought that possible, You conveniently miss out the death toll, 250/1 in Israel's failure - if Hamas had all these 'suicide bombers' then why is the Israeli toll much higher - thank God this is not the case.. MOst of the Palestinian deaths are innocent, frequently children but you think this is OK because sometimes Israel does not murder more with more rocket attacks! By all means go after Hamas but not at the expense of hundreds of civilian lives. Israel calls Palestinians terrorists but it is true that Israel sparks 'terrot' into Palestinians. Terrorism and Terror are too frequently used to excuse murderous behaviour, not only by Israel but by other nations wanting to excuse their actions (looking at you Russia). Also, you ignore the massive land grabs that Israel has conducted - the first Gulf War started with less. There can be a permanent solution, but Israel needs to abide by International Law and give back the stolen 'occupied' land to the Palestinians. Then BOTH sides need to cease terror activities. Thumper Hove
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