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Greens celebrate road casualty fall

The Argus: Greens celebrate road casualty fall Greens celebrate road casualty fall

ROAD deaths and serious injuries fell again in Brighton and Hove last year, official statistics show.

Casualties on Brighton and Hove roads are down 18.3% from 1,111 in 2011 to 908 in 2013.

Road deaths slumped 63% from eight in 2010 to three in 2013, according to Department for Transport figures.

This is despite the number of people killed on Sussex’s roads as a whole increasing last year.

Brighton and Hove City Council’s ruling Green Party said the fall showed its “bold” 20mph scheme was making the city safer – though the figures only cover the first few months following the introduction of the scheme.

Councillor Ian Davey, lead member for transport, said: “When we came into administration, Brighton and Hove had one of the worst road safety records in the country.

“Now, thanks in part to our traffic calming and speed reduction measures, we have seen a dramatic fall in the number of people getting killed and injured on our roads.

“Surely this is something that we can all welcome?

“It shows bold Green policies such as 20 mph are achieving their purpose: to make the city a safer place in which to live, work and visit.

“It vindicates our policy against all those critics and opposition parties who have tried to put obstacles in the way.”

Labour welcomed the drop – but said the success of 20mph was yet to be proven.

Coun Gill Mitchell, Labour lead for the environment and transport, said: “We are very pleased to see a general reduction of road casualties in the city in line with national trends, this is good news for all road users.

“Regarding the 20mph zones, they only came into effect in April 2013 so were only in force for a few months of the reporting period therefore it is too early to assess their impact. We look forward to a full and rigorous evaluation of the 20mph zones when there is solid data available.’ Coun Graham Cox, Conservative transport spokesman, said: “We very much welcome the drop in the number of road casualties in the city which is part of a wider national trend in improving road safety over the last few years.

“Clearly even one casualty is one too many but it is good that we are heading in the right direction and that the investment is starting to pay off.”

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12:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

salty_pete says...

Of course it may also have something to do with all the stationary traffic caused by the roadworks. If the traffic ain't moving, then no accidents are likely to happen.
Of course it may also have something to do with all the stationary traffic caused by the roadworks. If the traffic ain't moving, then no accidents are likely to happen. salty_pete
  • Score: 37

12:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

spa301 says...

Great news but a little premature for the Greens to be claiming all the credit. Perhaps most credit should go to the road users?
Where exactly has the traffic been calmed as from my observations it's been stressed rather than calmed. As most users of the roads haven't noticed any reduction to 20 mph by the vast majority of drivers how can that unenforced speed limit be given all the credit.
Any drop in casualties is to be welcomed by all but if the Greens now start a self satisfied, self congratulating jig of self righteousness then they will alienate the voters even further. Unwise considering your general lack of achievement since 2011.
Great news but a little premature for the Greens to be claiming all the credit. Perhaps most credit should go to the road users? Where exactly has the traffic been calmed as from my observations it's been stressed rather than calmed. As most users of the roads haven't noticed any reduction to 20 mph by the vast majority of drivers how can that unenforced speed limit be given all the credit. Any drop in casualties is to be welcomed by all but if the Greens now start a self satisfied, self congratulating jig of self righteousness then they will alienate the voters even further. Unwise considering your general lack of achievement since 2011. spa301
  • Score: 35

12:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

Good news and well done to the greens for making the city safer for cyclists and pedestrians. Give credit where credit is due.
Good news and well done to the greens for making the city safer for cyclists and pedestrians. Give credit where credit is due. sussexram40
  • Score: -55

1:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

“Regarding the 20mph zones, they only came into effect in April 2013 so were only in force for a few months of the reporting period therefore it is too early to assess their impact. We look forward to a full and rigorous evaluation of the 20mph zones when there is solid data available.’

Which means that there is no evidence that those zones played any part in the welcome reduction.

It's a shame that a comparison wasn't made for those 'few months' in areas where 20 mph was introduced. Is that because the new limit made absolutely no difference?
“Regarding the 20mph zones, they only came into effect in April 2013 so were only in force for a few months of the reporting period therefore it is too early to assess their impact. We look forward to a full and rigorous evaluation of the 20mph zones when there is solid data available.’ Which means that there is no evidence that those zones played any part in the welcome reduction. It's a shame that a comparison wasn't made for those 'few months' in areas where 20 mph was introduced. Is that because the new limit made absolutely no difference? stevo!!
  • Score: 13

1:26pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

Without rigorous, independent comparisons of roads before and after the introduction of the 20mph limits, the claims mean nothing. And it would appear that much of the improved stats took place prior to the introduction of the 20mph limits anyway. If the figures go up over the next year, will the limits be rescinded?
Without rigorous, independent comparisons of roads before and after the introduction of the 20mph limits, the claims mean nothing. And it would appear that much of the improved stats took place prior to the introduction of the 20mph limits anyway. If the figures go up over the next year, will the limits be rescinded? Plantpot
  • Score: 18

1:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

s&k says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Good news and well done to the greens for making the city safer for cyclists and pedestrians. Give credit where credit is due.
I think you're on a hiding to nothing.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Good news and well done to the greens for making the city safer for cyclists and pedestrians. Give credit where credit is due.[/p][/quote]I think you're on a hiding to nothing. s&k
  • Score: 18

1:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

asterixobelix says...

Road deaths did not slump 63%. If you look at the official statistics there were five deaths in 2012. Why didn't they mention last year or does it not look as dramatic! Also in 2009 there were only 2 deaths so you could claim deaths went up under the greens. Obviously any death is a tragedy but it's also so easy to use statistics to prove anything you want. Let's see what next year brings before rejoicing at the 20mph zones.
Road deaths did not slump 63%. If you look at the official statistics there were five deaths in 2012. Why didn't they mention last year or does it not look as dramatic! Also in 2009 there were only 2 deaths so you could claim deaths went up under the greens. Obviously any death is a tragedy but it's also so easy to use statistics to prove anything you want. Let's see what next year brings before rejoicing at the 20mph zones. asterixobelix
  • Score: 26

1:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis
tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 28

2:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

Also lung and heart disease up in the Lewes Rd due to the increased pollution. The monitoring station was moved to Preston Park to hide acurate results. Suck on that Ian Davey and Pete West. #politicalchamberpot
s @gzunder
Also lung and heart disease up in the Lewes Rd due to the increased pollution. The monitoring station was moved to Preston Park to hide acurate results. Suck on that Ian Davey and Pete West. #politicalchamberpot s @gzunder We love Red Billy
  • Score: 21

5:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis

tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
[quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -23

6:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis


tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -10

7:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis



tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
Perhaps it was obvious?

"Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!"

So, congestion and pollution will be up.

"B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!"

Utter ****.

B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think.

"Congestion - yes it's up very slightly"

Leading to increased costs AND pollution.

See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart?

You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon .
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]Perhaps it was obvious? "Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up!" So, congestion and pollution will be up. "B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!" Utter ****. B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think. "Congestion - yes it's up very slightly" Leading to increased costs AND pollution. See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart? You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon . stevo!!
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cynic_the says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis



tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll....
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll.... cynic_the
  • Score: 4

12:37am Tue 8 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

stevo!! wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis




tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
Perhaps it was obvious?

"Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!"

So, congestion and pollution will be up.

"B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!"

Utter ****.

B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think.

"Congestion - yes it's up very slightly"

Leading to increased costs AND pollution.

See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart?

You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon .
Yoo obviously don't actually read the local news - just post moronic comments whilst hiding behind your keyboard! Get back to your Pot Noodle and onanism you pathetic failure!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]Perhaps it was obvious? "Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up!" So, congestion and pollution will be up. "B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!" Utter ****. B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think. "Congestion - yes it's up very slightly" Leading to increased costs AND pollution. See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart? You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon .[/p][/quote]Yoo obviously don't actually read the local news - just post moronic comments whilst hiding behind your keyboard! Get back to your Pot Noodle and onanism you pathetic failure! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

12:39am Tue 8 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

cynic_the wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis




tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll....
Yeah its a tough call to counter facts........!
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll....[/p][/quote]Yeah its a tough call to counter facts........! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

9:24am Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis





tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll....
Yeah its a tough call to counter facts........!
Hang on...you weren't countering anything. All you did was refer to things that the other poster hadn't mentioned.

In fact, you agreed that congestion had increased.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]I think you'll find no one could be bothered to feed the troll....[/p][/quote]Yeah its a tough call to counter facts........![/p][/quote]Hang on...you weren't countering anything. All you did was refer to things that the other poster hadn't mentioned. In fact, you agreed that congestion had increased. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

9:34am Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Phani Tikkala wrote:
Pollution up
Congestion up
Visitor numbers down
Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis





tration up
Emergency services response times up
Bus journeys slower

…let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then
Where do we start with this rubbish

Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!
B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!
Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too!

Who's the moron?!
Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!!
Perhaps it was obvious?

"Overnight stays - up!
New business start-ups - up!"

So, congestion and pollution will be up.

"B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!"

Utter ****.

B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think.

"Congestion - yes it's up very slightly"

Leading to increased costs AND pollution.

See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart?

You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon .
Yoo obviously don't actually read the local news - just post moronic comments whilst hiding behind your keyboard! Get back to your Pot Noodle and onanism you pathetic failure!
You were told why no-one bothered to dissect your earlier post (you seemed upset that no-one had responded - the classic 'troll' comment) and then you resorted to personal sexual comment about another poster.

And you expect to be taken seriously?

Jeez.......
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phani Tikkala[/bold] wrote: Pollution up Congestion up Visitor numbers down Number of companies going into lliquidation/adminis tration up Emergency services response times up Bus journeys slower …let's see the green morons try to blame all of that on someone else then[/p][/quote]Where do we start with this rubbish Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up! B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact! Congestion - yes it's up very slightly but so it is in many other non-Green areas too! Who's the moron?![/p][/quote]Six members of the moanerati manage to give me a thumbs down but don't have the brains or the balls to correct me where I'm 'wrong' - pathetic!![/p][/quote]Perhaps it was obvious? "Overnight stays - up! New business start-ups - up!" So, congestion and pollution will be up. "B&H economy leading country out of recession - fact!" Utter ****. B& H ISN'T the entire country, no matter what any stupid Brightonians and Hovians may think. "Congestion - yes it's up very slightly" Leading to increased costs AND pollution. See why no-one bothered to tear your post apart? You are truly pathetic, and totally wrong on everything you comment upon .[/p][/quote]Yoo obviously don't actually read the local news - just post moronic comments whilst hiding behind your keyboard! Get back to your Pot Noodle and onanism you pathetic failure![/p][/quote]You were told why no-one bothered to dissect your earlier post (you seemed upset that no-one had responded - the classic 'troll' comment) and then you resorted to personal sexual comment about another poster. And you expect to be taken seriously? Jeez....... stevo!!
  • Score: 0

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