Spotlight on businesses behind Brighton i360 as ground is broken

Spotlight on businesses behind Brighton i360 as ground is broken

Spotlight on businesses behind Brighton i360 as ground is broken

Spotlight on businesses behind Brighton i360 as ground is broken

First published in News by , Business editor

The political controversy over the funding arrangements of the i360 will no doubt go on.

But with construction due to begin this week the ambitious project has taken a massive physical step forward.

Barring a catastrophe the viewing tower will almost certainly be built, putting pay to the naysayers and doubters – for now.

The international team which created the London Eye met with Sussex firms on Brighton seafront ahead of the start of construction.

The i360 will be the tallest visitor observation attraction in the UK outside of London and has been designed by Marks Barfield architects.

Civil contractor JT Mackley, based in Henfield, and Hemsley Orrell Partnership (HOP), based in Hove, will team up with American Jacobs Engineering Group, Hollandia from Holland, Poma from France and London-based Marks Barfield.

JT Mackley, founded in 1926, was given the responsibility of carrying out ground-works and building the i360 conference centre.

The firm has previously worked on storm overflow sewers on Brighton Beach for Southern Water, reconstructed the Brighton beach colonnades and carousel, coastal maintenance on Brighton Beach from Shoreham Harbour to Rottingdean and strengthening works for both piers over the years.

Managing director Tony Camilleri said: “We are very much looking forward to bringing our local knowledge and coastal experience to the project and to working with this international team on what will become a world famous landmark.”

As well as a moving observation tower experience, the i360 will incorporate a restaurant, retail shop, exhibition space and conference facilities at beach level. The attraction will be run by Brighton i360 Ltd, who’s CEO is tourism expert Eleanor Harris. David Marks and Julia Barfield, creators of the Brighton i360 and the London Eye, said: “We have the opportunity to create something truly unique and of international renown here in Brighton and Hove. We are excited to be working again with this top team and we are all looking forward to seeing the opening of the attraction in summer 2016.”

Experts estimate an average of 739,000 people per year will visit over the next decade.

Mackley says it will have 70 people working on the site and at least 10 new jobs will be created, which will be advertised locally.

An economic impact study has estimated 440 full time positions will be created in Brighton.

When the attraction opens, it will create approximately 169 jobs across the attraction, including marketing and sales, catering, finance, HR, engineering and visitor services.

Brighton i360 Ltd has committed to the living wage and plans to pay above the average for Brighton to attract really good people.

It will be offering apprenticeships and management training opportunities.

It has also appointed local communications agencies Thank Social and Natural PR.

Eleanor Harris, CEO of Brighton i360 Ltd, said: “Aside from creating lots of jobs, and bringing in over £1million in interest payments to the city at a time of cuts, the i360 will bring more visitors to Brighton.

“The estimate is up to 300,000 more visitors, and in particular we will be focusing on the high value overnight stays and conference visitors.

“All this is good for all the businesses that get trade from tourists – the hotels, restaurants, shops, attractions, bars.

“Tourism is a really vital industry in Brighton – it employs nearly 20,000 people and earns the city around £1 billion every year.

“It will help clear up that part of the seafront and the seafront is the city’s shop window.

“It is really good for this part of the city, which is in need of regeneration. It will encourage visitors to go west and is of benefit to Preston Street as well as generally creating a better distribution of tourists.

“We have exhibition space and will have changing exhibits of local artists. We hope to become a cultural hub for Brighton to create a new beach quarter along with the renovated arches.

“Brighton is already an amazing destination but it can’t be complacent and must continue to innovate to compete with other destinations.”

Nardo Hoogendijk, managing director of Hollandia, said: “We are very proud to be involved in such a project, following our successful partnership on the London Eye. We are excited to be reunited with the same team again to create another inspiring visitor attraction.”

Poma, who built the 32 London Eye capsules, is a French company which manufactures cable-driven lift systems, including funiculars, aerial tram ways, people movers, and surface lifts. It is responsible for the construction of the i360 pod, which will be large enough to contain 200 visitors with a birds eye view standing side by side.

Francis Charamel, President of Sigma, the division of Poma responsible for this project, said: “Poma is very pleased to be associated with this unique project and we’re extremely grateful that David Marks has put this confidence in us, following our long and successful partnership.”

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1:49pm Tue 8 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

We don't want the Kitcat-Theobold memorial erection.
We don't want the Kitcat-Theobold memorial erection. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 23

1:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions.
This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.
This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions. This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower. sussexram40
  • Score: -35

2:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

sussexram40 wrote:
This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions.
This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.
Yeah, like because no-one has ever heard of Brighton, right?

No-one ever comes here to this backwater in (checks map) Sussex.....
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions. This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.[/p][/quote]Yeah, like because no-one has ever heard of Brighton, right? No-one ever comes here to this backwater in (checks map) Sussex..... stevo!!
  • Score: 7

2:08pm Tue 8 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

sussexram40 wrote:
This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions.
This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.
Utter tosh.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions. This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.[/p][/quote]Utter tosh. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 16

2:17pm Tue 8 Jul 14

jo_brown says...

Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.
Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on. jo_brown
  • Score: -25

2:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

spa301 says...

jo_brown wrote:
Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.
Courage?? .................stu
pidity more like.
[quote][p][bold]jo_brown[/bold] wrote: Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.[/p][/quote]Courage?? .................stu pidity more like. spa301
  • Score: 13

2:23pm Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

jo_brown wrote:
Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.
You mean 'sticking to your plan to make money and ruin the seafront'?
[quote][p][bold]jo_brown[/bold] wrote: Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.[/p][/quote]You mean 'sticking to your plan to make money and ruin the seafront'? stevo!!
  • Score: 6

2:54pm Tue 8 Jul 14

P.Dant says...

Architects win,builders win,Eleanor Harris wins (regardless of how it perfoms).The rest of us stand to lose on something we weren`t consulted about.
Architects win,builders win,Eleanor Harris wins (regardless of how it perfoms).The rest of us stand to lose on something we weren`t consulted about. P.Dant
  • Score: 21

3:10pm Tue 8 Jul 14

rolivan says...

How many was it that were allowed to make a decision for 275,000 people that live in the City to borrow £36.2m Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald and a few others. I see the goalposts have been changed and they have now lowered the figures of visitors that will come to specifically use the i360.
How many was it that were allowed to make a decision for 275,000 people that live in the City to borrow £36.2m Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald and a few others. I see the goalposts have been changed and they have now lowered the figures of visitors that will come to specifically use the i360. rolivan
  • Score: 11

3:27pm Tue 8 Jul 14

john newman says...

we need a bus station and improved transport links! What is the point of having a so called attraction if no one can reach it. More blocked roads and cattle truck trains. Give the people what they need! Better transport not a tower from which to view the chaos below
we need a bus station and improved transport links! What is the point of having a so called attraction if no one can reach it. More blocked roads and cattle truck trains. Give the people what they need! Better transport not a tower from which to view the chaos below john newman
  • Score: 18

3:28pm Tue 8 Jul 14

rogerthefish says...

So some facts and numbers.

Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people
=£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person

Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person
=£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person

Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower.

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/1014016
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So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.
So some facts and numbers. Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people =£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person =£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1014016 7._Disappointing__vi sitor_figures_on_Wey mouth_Tower_could_ha ve_bearing_on_future / So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed. rogerthefish
  • Score: 30

3:28pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

jo_brown wrote:
Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.
And of course the courage to risk tax payers money because the Brighton i360 Ltd company is bankrupt !
[quote][p][bold]jo_brown[/bold] wrote: Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.[/p][/quote]And of course the courage to risk tax payers money because the Brighton i360 Ltd company is bankrupt ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 14

3:32pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

rolivan wrote:
How many was it that were allowed to make a decision for 275,000 people that live in the City to borrow £36.2m Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald and a few others. I see the goalposts have been changed and they have now lowered the figures of visitors that will come to specifically use the i360.
Indeed - 880,000 has dropped to 739,000 - where have the extra 141,000 disappeared to I wonder ?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: How many was it that were allowed to make a decision for 275,000 people that live in the City to borrow £36.2m Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald and a few others. I see the goalposts have been changed and they have now lowered the figures of visitors that will come to specifically use the i360.[/p][/quote]Indeed - 880,000 has dropped to 739,000 - where have the extra 141,000 disappeared to I wonder ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

3:40pm Tue 8 Jul 14

davidbrianjones says...

rogerthefish wrote:
So some facts and numbers.

Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people
=£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person

Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person
=£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person

Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower.

http://www.dorsetech

o.co.uk/news/1014016

7._Disappointing__vi

sitor_figures_on_Wey

mouth_Tower_could_ha

ve_bearing_on_future

/

So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.
But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain)

Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So some facts and numbers. Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people =£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person =£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1014016 7._Disappointing__vi sitor_figures_on_Wey mouth_Tower_could_ha ve_bearing_on_future / So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.[/p][/quote]But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain) Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here. davidbrianjones
  • Score: -19

3:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

davidbrianjones wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
So some facts and numbers.

Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people
=£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person

Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person
=£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person

Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower.

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/1014016


7._Disappointing__vi


sitor_figures_on_Wey


mouth_Tower_could_ha


ve_bearing_on_future


/

So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.
But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain)

Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.
Remind us which in city the London Eye can be found.
[quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So some facts and numbers. Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people =£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person =£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1014016 7._Disappointing__vi sitor_figures_on_Wey mouth_Tower_could_ha ve_bearing_on_future / So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.[/p][/quote]But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain) Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.[/p][/quote]Remind us which in city the London Eye can be found. stevo!!
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Tue 8 Jul 14

wexler53 says...

I would feel happier if all the unbounded optimism was accompanied by something along the lines of...

"And should it all go pear shaped, the tax payer will be fully refunded, and there will be no financial burden on the people of Brighton & Hove"...

With details of how.

But they can't, can they? So we will probably have to pay for it for years to come.
I would feel happier if all the unbounded optimism was accompanied by something along the lines of... "And should it all go pear shaped, the tax payer will be fully refunded, and there will be no financial burden on the people of Brighton & Hove"... With details of how. But they can't, can they? So we will probably have to pay for it for years to come. wexler53
  • Score: 13

3:56pm Tue 8 Jul 14

rolivan says...

stevo!! wrote:
davidbrianjones wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
So some facts and numbers.

Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people
=£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person

Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person
=£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person

Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower.

http://www.dorsetech



o.co.uk/news/1014016



7._Disappointing__vi



sitor_figures_on_Wey



mouth_Tower_could_ha



ve_bearing_on_future



/

So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.
But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain)

Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.
Remind us which in city the London Eye can be found.
Remind us also why if Marks Barfield had a 1/3 share in the London Eye which they sold, why they for 1. Didn't have enough money to fund the i 360 themselves . 2 . They weren't able to convince private investors that it is a viable investment.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So some facts and numbers. Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people =£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person =£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1014016 7._Disappointing__vi sitor_figures_on_Wey mouth_Tower_could_ha ve_bearing_on_future / So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.[/p][/quote]But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain) Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.[/p][/quote]Remind us which in city the London Eye can be found.[/p][/quote]Remind us also why if Marks Barfield had a 1/3 share in the London Eye which they sold, why they for 1. Didn't have enough money to fund the i 360 themselves . 2 . They weren't able to convince private investors that it is a viable investment. rolivan
  • Score: 18

4:31pm Tue 8 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

Have some positivity. When this beauty is completed I think a lot will be very proud of it and a lot will start talking about it.
At the moment we have a tatty pier which is very 'yesterday' and a sea life centre. This i360 tower is a 22nd century attraction - in the 21st century. Exciting and futuristic.
Have some positivity. When this beauty is completed I think a lot will be very proud of it and a lot will start talking about it. At the moment we have a tatty pier which is very 'yesterday' and a sea life centre. This i360 tower is a 22nd century attraction - in the 21st century. Exciting and futuristic. sussexram40
  • Score: -16

4:41pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

davidbrianjones wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
So some facts and numbers.

Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people
=£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person

Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person
=£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person

Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower.

http://www.dorsetech


o.co.uk/news/1014016


7._Disappointing__vi


sitor_figures_on_Wey


mouth_Tower_could_ha


ve_bearing_on_future


/

So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.
But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain)

Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.
I suspect the view from the London Eye is of a somewhat different quality to that of the i360. No willing private investors rings a big warning bell for me.
[quote][p][bold]davidbrianjones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So some facts and numbers. Weymouth Sealife Tower, Height 53 metres Cost £3.5 Million 69 people =£66,000 per metre or £50,724 per person Brighton Eye, Height 170 metres, Cost £46 million 200 person =£270,000 per metre or £230,000 per person Weymouth is run by Merlin entertainments (also London Eye, Blackpool Tower, Madame Tussuads Etc. 100 attractions worldwide and 2nd only to Disney) and is struggling with the Weymouth tower. http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1014016 7._Disappointing__vi sitor_figures_on_Wey mouth_Tower_could_ha ve_bearing_on_future / So we have something that cost 20 times the cost and run by amateurs in comparison, either im missing something or someones walking away with a big fat pocket and this is doomed.[/p][/quote]But please remember, the i360 was designed by the team who created ONE OF THE MOST-VISITED ATTRACTIONS IN THE WHOLE OF EUROPE : the London Eye. (More people pay to visit the London Eye then any other attraction in Britain) Think about what this means ..... we're talking superlatives here.[/p][/quote]I suspect the view from the London Eye is of a somewhat different quality to that of the i360. No willing private investors rings a big warning bell for me. Plantpot
  • Score: 20

4:55pm Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Have some positivity. When this beauty is completed I think a lot will be very proud of it and a lot will start talking about it.
At the moment we have a tatty pier which is very 'yesterday' and a sea life centre. This i360 tower is a 22nd century attraction - in the 21st century. Exciting and futuristic.
People ARE talking about it.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Have some positivity. When this beauty is completed I think a lot will be very proud of it and a lot will start talking about it. At the moment we have a tatty pier which is very 'yesterday' and a sea life centre. This i360 tower is a 22nd century attraction - in the 21st century. Exciting and futuristic.[/p][/quote]People ARE talking about it. stevo!!
  • Score: 9

4:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Take it Personally says...

"Mackley says it will have 70 people working on the site and at least 10 new jobs will be created, which will be advertised locally.

An economic impact study has estimated 440 full time positions will be created in Brighton.

When the attraction opens, it will create approximately 169 jobs "

So which is it? 10? 440? or 196? Anybody else confused with this garbage-babble?
I hope KitTwat stays local because this will dog him for years
"Mackley says it will have 70 people working on the site and at least 10 new jobs will be created, which will be advertised locally. An economic impact study has estimated 440 full time positions will be created in Brighton. When the attraction opens, it will create approximately 169 jobs " So which is it? 10? 440? or 196? Anybody else confused with this garbage-babble? I hope KitTwat stays local because this will dog him for years Take it Personally
  • Score: 17

5:00pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Take it Personally says...

stevo!! wrote:
jo_brown wrote:
Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.
You mean 'sticking to your plan to make money and ruin the seafront'?
Brilliant! -well said
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jo_brown[/bold] wrote: Brilliant! Something happening at last!! Well done everyone involved for sticking with it and having the courage to carry on.[/p][/quote]You mean 'sticking to your plan to make money and ruin the seafront'?[/p][/quote]Brilliant! -well said Take it Personally
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Tue 8 Jul 14

dsvm22 says...

Can't wait to view 180 degrees of sea water.

Unlike London, you have 360 degrees of city history.
Can't wait to view 180 degrees of sea water. Unlike London, you have 360 degrees of city history. dsvm22
  • Score: 12

5:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

Barring a catastrophe the viewing tower will almost certainly be built-----We better all pray for a catastrophe then
Barring a catastrophe the viewing tower will almost certainly be built-----We better all pray for a catastrophe then Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 7

5:28pm Tue 8 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

How odd. I am a grumpy old s0d who despises absolutely everything about pee smelling Kitkat and his bunch of crackpot Marxists, but I am quite excited about this!!

As long as it doesn't attract a Costa Coffee on the top deck and B&H residents get first go at a discounted rate, I think it will be quite nice.
How odd. I am a grumpy old s0d who despises absolutely everything about pee smelling Kitkat and his bunch of crackpot Marxists, but I am quite excited about this!! As long as it doesn't attract a Costa Coffee on the top deck and B&H residents get first go at a discounted rate, I think it will be quite nice. NathanAdler
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

Why does Finn Scott-Delany, Senior Reporter say this is "putting pay to the naysayers and doubters"? This is a ridiculous and bizarre statement (as can be seen from most of the comments here).

The experts who "estimate an average of 739,000 people per year will visit" were paid to justify building this tower. They are in no way 'independent' experts. If they were I'd give some weight to their predictions.

No one will be happier than me if this is a success. I just don't think it will be. I think any unbiased person reading the Business Plan on the Council website would come to the same conclusion. It is far too optimistic on visitor numbers.
Why does Finn Scott-Delany, Senior Reporter say this is "putting pay to the naysayers and doubters"? This is a ridiculous and bizarre statement (as can be seen from most of the comments here). The experts who "estimate an average of 739,000 people per year will visit" were paid to justify building this tower. They are in no way 'independent' experts. If they were I'd give some weight to their predictions. No one will be happier than me if this is a success. I just don't think it will be. I think any unbiased person reading the Business Plan on the Council website would come to the same conclusion. It is far too optimistic on visitor numbers. Quiterie
  • Score: 15

9:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

dsvm22 says...

Thinking about it, boy it hurts. Sussex Heights at 102 meters high. Buy the penthouses, add a restaurant and bar. You would have a much better experience and view, plus a better income stream.
Thinking about it, boy it hurts. Sussex Heights at 102 meters high. Buy the penthouses, add a restaurant and bar. You would have a much better experience and view, plus a better income stream. dsvm22
  • Score: 15

9:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Scubagirl says...

Haha - can't believe you grumpy guys - I'm with Nathan Adler - this is the future and it's exciting!! This region has a huge population of people who will want to visit, quite apart from the tourists who will come because of it. This area of Brighton is scruffy and the i360 will bring it up to the mark. I'll never forget what a dump the South Bank was before the London Eye caused a transformation there - and this could do the same for Brighton's seafront!
Haha - can't believe you grumpy guys - I'm with Nathan Adler - this is the future and it's exciting!! This region has a huge population of people who will want to visit, quite apart from the tourists who will come because of it. This area of Brighton is scruffy and the i360 will bring it up to the mark. I'll never forget what a dump the South Bank was before the London Eye caused a transformation there - and this could do the same for Brighton's seafront! Scubagirl
  • Score: -5

10:06pm Tue 8 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Scubagirl wrote:
Haha - can't believe you grumpy guys - I'm with Nathan Adler - this is the future and it's exciting!! This region has a huge population of people who will want to visit, quite apart from the tourists who will come because of it. This area of Brighton is scruffy and the i360 will bring it up to the mark. I'll never forget what a dump the South Bank was before the London Eye caused a transformation there - and this could do the same for Brighton's seafront!
London's South Bank was a thriving area long before the Eye turned up, and it certainly wasn't scruffy.
[quote][p][bold]Scubagirl[/bold] wrote: Haha - can't believe you grumpy guys - I'm with Nathan Adler - this is the future and it's exciting!! This region has a huge population of people who will want to visit, quite apart from the tourists who will come because of it. This area of Brighton is scruffy and the i360 will bring it up to the mark. I'll never forget what a dump the South Bank was before the London Eye caused a transformation there - and this could do the same for Brighton's seafront![/p][/quote]London's South Bank was a thriving area long before the Eye turned up, and it certainly wasn't scruffy. stevo!!
  • Score: 5

10:58pm Tue 8 Jul 14

onerob says...

I support the tower even though I've no doubt the projected visitor numbers are far too optimistic.
I support the tower even though I've no doubt the projected visitor numbers are far too optimistic. onerob
  • Score: 1

11:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Pebbles says...

So this will be a great view of the sea? Anyway.. for the life of me I really cannot undestand the whole project. It seems to me that money is being thrown at this purely to create jobs... which I suppose in that respect is good. But... at what cost?

I can see some jobs being created that employs people to sit around all day kicking their heals... if one can sit and kick at the same time.

This tower will.. by all imagination be the Great White Elephant of the city... and will be a burden on future generations to come....
So this will be a great view of the sea? Anyway.. for the life of me I really cannot undestand the whole project. It seems to me that money is being thrown at this purely to create jobs... which I suppose in that respect is good. But... at what cost? I can see some jobs being created that employs people to sit around all day kicking their heals... if one can sit and kick at the same time. This tower will.. by all imagination be the Great White Elephant of the city... and will be a burden on future generations to come.... Pebbles
  • Score: 3

12:35am Wed 9 Jul 14

Scubagirl says...

Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!!
Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!! Scubagirl
  • Score: -3

1:05am Wed 9 Jul 14

rolivan says...

Scubagirl wrote:
Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!!
Didn't the Tate Modern open about the same time around The Millennium Celebrations . I think if you are trying to compare The South Bank with Brighton Seafront it will need far more than a 10 minute ride to the top of a glorified lift to come any where near.
[quote][p][bold]Scubagirl[/bold] wrote: Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!![/p][/quote]Didn't the Tate Modern open about the same time around The Millennium Celebrations . I think if you are trying to compare The South Bank with Brighton Seafront it will need far more than a 10 minute ride to the top of a glorified lift to come any where near. rolivan
  • Score: 4

1:47am Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Scubagirl wrote:
Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!!
Don't tell me what I thought of the London Eye project.

Before the Eye, we had the Royal Festival Hall, the National Theatre, the National Film Theatre, the Hayward Gallery, the Oxo Tower, the London Dungeon, Borough Market, the Old Vic, County Hall, the Globe Theatre, Clink Street jail, and four major London bridges.

So don't make stupid claims about the London Eye regenerating the area.
[quote][p][bold]Scubagirl[/bold] wrote: Stevo - the South Bank was a concrete, empty, sixties hell hole which was dead spooky to walk along, even in daytime - it was fantastic when the London Eye brought it alive and triggered off all the other investment and activity along there. It continues to be a really fun and happening place to walk along and enjoy (and spend money). So many people were convinced the London Eye was a bad idea and doubters like you were quite sure it would be a disaster - they couldn't have been more wrong! This is happening, so we might as well get behind it - and I hear there will be discounts for locals!![/p][/quote]Don't tell me what I thought of the London Eye project. Before the Eye, we had the Royal Festival Hall, the National Theatre, the National Film Theatre, the Hayward Gallery, the Oxo Tower, the London Dungeon, Borough Market, the Old Vic, County Hall, the Globe Theatre, Clink Street jail, and four major London bridges. So don't make stupid claims about the London Eye regenerating the area. stevo!!
  • Score: 7

2:09am Wed 9 Jul 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Let the pocket-lining commence.
Let the pocket-lining commence. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 6

2:12am Wed 9 Jul 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Presumably initial studies are underway to fully understand which way around to sit on a toilet and then more detailed work on the business plan?
Presumably initial studies are underway to fully understand which way around to sit on a toilet and then more detailed work on the business plan? From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 5

9:32am Wed 9 Jul 14

Phani Tikkala says...

So… if they rely on 2,000 visitors every single day (blimey, that's surely more than the Sealife and Wheel combined?) 364 days a year (including rainy and cloudy days) to service the loan, what's going to happen when a) interest rates go back up to normal levels of 5% and b) visitor numbers continue to dwindle as people find they have less money to spend on visiting pointless observation towers because they're spending more on their mortgages….

It would certainly be interesting to see the results of the "stress" tests the Council did on the affordability of the project and the effect of rises in interest rates.

They did do stress tests, didn't they? Didn't they……?

Ummmm…..
So… if they rely on 2,000 visitors every single day (blimey, that's surely more than the Sealife and Wheel combined?) 364 days a year (including rainy and cloudy days) to service the loan, what's going to happen when a) interest rates go back up to normal levels of 5% and b) visitor numbers continue to dwindle as people find they have less money to spend on visiting pointless observation towers because they're spending more on their mortgages…. It would certainly be interesting to see the results of the "stress" tests the Council did on the affordability of the project and the effect of rises in interest rates. They did do stress tests, didn't they? Didn't they……? Ummmm….. Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 2

9:36am Wed 9 Jul 14

Can this be says...

NathanAdler wrote:
How odd. I am a grumpy old s0d who despises absolutely everything about pee smelling Kitkat and his bunch of crackpot Marxists, but I am quite excited about this!!

As long as it doesn't attract a Costa Coffee on the top deck and B&H residents get first go at a discounted rate, I think it will be quite nice.
NathanAdler makes an interesting point. There would be no point in having a Costa Coffee anywhere up the tower (if that was possible!) or in the pod as the pod will be rushing down to get its next load of 200 people. Even if there was much to see you would not be allowed to stay up at the top like the Spinnaker Tower where there is a lot to see.

It makes no sense.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: How odd. I am a grumpy old s0d who despises absolutely everything about pee smelling Kitkat and his bunch of crackpot Marxists, but I am quite excited about this!! As long as it doesn't attract a Costa Coffee on the top deck and B&H residents get first go at a discounted rate, I think it will be quite nice.[/p][/quote]NathanAdler makes an interesting point. There would be no point in having a Costa Coffee anywhere up the tower (if that was possible!) or in the pod as the pod will be rushing down to get its next load of 200 people. Even if there was much to see you would not be allowed to stay up at the top like the Spinnaker Tower where there is a lot to see. It makes no sense. Can this be
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Gribbet says...

stevo!! wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions.
This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.
Yeah, like because no-one has ever heard of Brighton, right?

No-one ever comes here to this backwater in (checks map) Sussex.....
Check the map again, you live in Crawley, which unfortunately for you isn't Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: This tower will really put Brighton on the map and could become as famous as the Millennium Bridge, Buckingham Place and Hadrians Wall in terms of tourist attractions. This will really stick it up Blackpool once and for all. The Brighton tower is taller than the Blackpool tower.[/p][/quote]Yeah, like because no-one has ever heard of Brighton, right? No-one ever comes here to this backwater in (checks map) Sussex.....[/p][/quote]Check the map again, you live in Crawley, which unfortunately for you isn't Brighton. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hackjo says...

I still don't understand what the barrier to completely rebuilding the West Pier back as it was is.

There is plenty of money out there - it just needs some drive and imagination to get it. Look at what has been done in Hastings.
I still don't understand what the barrier to completely rebuilding the West Pier back as it was is. There is plenty of money out there - it just needs some drive and imagination to get it. Look at what has been done in Hastings. hackjo
  • Score: 0

11:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

AndyMannBob says...

If Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald wish to borrow £36.2m for themselves and then lend their own money to the company building this tourist attraction, that's fine with me. Hospitals and essential infrastructure are one thing, gambling on tourist attractions are quite another. Taxpayer's money should not be risked on speculative investments in tourist attractions. Why on earth should they be allowed run up huge debts for people who wish to have nothing whatever with their hare brained spendthift schemes? Next thing is they'll be demanding huge increases in rates and council tax to pay for it.
If Cllrs Kitkat and Theobald wish to borrow £36.2m for themselves and then lend their own money to the company building this tourist attraction, that's fine with me. Hospitals and essential infrastructure are one thing, gambling on tourist attractions are quite another. Taxpayer's money should not be risked on speculative investments in tourist attractions. Why on earth should they be allowed run up huge debts for people who wish to have nothing whatever with their hare brained spendthift schemes? Next thing is they'll be demanding huge increases in rates and council tax to pay for it. AndyMannBob
  • Score: 0

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