Hove Park School teachers set to strike over academy plans

Hove Park teachers to strike against academy plans

Hove Park teachers to strike against academy plans

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Teachers at Hove Park School have voted overwhelmingly to take strike action against the threat to their pay and conditions posed by the proposal for the school to become an academy.

The National Union of Teachers announced that nearly 80% voted to oppose their school leaving the Brighton and Hove family of schools with the consequent threat to pay and conditions.

A strike will take place on Wednesday July 16.

Paul Shellard, secretary of Brighton and Hove NUT said: "Teachers across Brighton and Hove are opposed to Hove Park converting to an academy.

"We support our members at the school in taking strike action.

"The governors must listen to the staff and local parents and build on Hove Park’s successes as a community school."

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3:08pm Wed 9 Jul 14

whatone says...

Good luck...

But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost!
Good luck... But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost! whatone
  • Score: 24

3:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description. stevo!!
  • Score: -30

3:16pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

whatone wrote:
Good luck...

But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost!
Now you know that is a bit untrue, just as the phrase that the teachers of Hove Park are acting in the best interests of their pupils,
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: Good luck... But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost![/p][/quote]Now you know that is a bit untrue, just as the phrase that the teachers of Hove Park are acting in the best interests of their pupils, ThinkBrighton
  • Score: -19

4:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

whatone says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
whatone wrote:
Good luck...

But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost!
Now you know that is a bit untrue, just as the phrase that the teachers of Hove Park are acting in the best interests of their pupils,
Untrue?

Isn't it amazing how naive some people can be!

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[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: Good luck... But just be aware that Gove and his cohorts are dermined to privatise our education system at any cost![/p][/quote]Now you know that is a bit untrue, just as the phrase that the teachers of Hove Park are acting in the best interests of their pupils,[/p][/quote]Untrue? Isn't it amazing how naive some people can be! http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/cash-for-class rooms-michael-gove-p lans-to-let-firms-ru n-schools-for-profit -8682395.html whatone
  • Score: 10

4:18pm Wed 9 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

Just seen some Gove dart boards being printed. @gzunder priceless
Just seen some Gove dart boards being printed. @gzunder priceless We love Red Billy
  • Score: 5

4:27pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Another holiday for teachers. Children are having enough interruptions in their short school year as it is. Well done to the selfish unions.
Another holiday for teachers. Children are having enough interruptions in their short school year as it is. Well done to the selfish unions. Withdean-er
  • Score: -21

4:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Just seen some Gove dart boards being printed. @gzunder priceless
"Priceless" for the losing minority who just aren't getting their sulky way on policies.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Just seen some Gove dart boards being printed. @gzunder priceless[/p][/quote]"Priceless" for the losing minority who just aren't getting their sulky way on policies. Withdean-er
  • Score: -18

4:59pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike. Fight_Back
  • Score: 24

5:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-) stevo!!
  • Score: -10

5:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
Why did New labour introduce academies? Please educate us.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]Why did New labour introduce academies? Please educate us. Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 9 Jul 14

hoveonian says...

Fed up with taking days off so the teachers can strike as and when they want yet if I choose to take my child out of school when I want im threatened with being fined.
Fed up with taking days off so the teachers can strike as and when they want yet if I choose to take my child out of school when I want im threatened with being fined. hoveonian
  • Score: -2

5:49pm Wed 9 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special. NathanAdler
  • Score: -8

5:50pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
Why did New labour introduce academies? Please educate us.
Mainly because it provided huge amounts of private funding without the risk of PFI. The trade off was allowing private business and organisations a say in how a school was / is run. It removes any ability the LEA has of ensuring the school sticks to certain standards. You might as well hand all the schools to G4S - we know how well they run public services !
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]Why did New labour introduce academies? Please educate us.[/p][/quote]Mainly because it provided huge amounts of private funding without the risk of PFI. The trade off was allowing private business and organisations a say in how a school was / is run. It removes any ability the LEA has of ensuring the school sticks to certain standards. You might as well hand all the schools to G4S - we know how well they run public services ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 7

6:32pm Wed 9 Jul 14

whatone says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ! whatone
  • Score: 13

6:38pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article. Quiterie
  • Score: 9

6:54pm Wed 9 Jul 14

MasonStorm says...

More time off for teachers? Aren't they already on strike tomorrow? Taking the **** isn't it?
More time off for teachers? Aren't they already on strike tomorrow? Taking the **** isn't it? MasonStorm
  • Score: -8

6:57pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Youlikemyjugs says...

Disgusting. What are they moaning about now? Their 13 weeks of paid holiday? Why should their employers not have the right to alter working practices if it is in favour of pupil progress?

SCHOOLS ARE FOR CHILDREN, NOT THE BENEFIT OF TEACHERS!

I recommend sacking any teachers who go on strike immediately.
Disgusting. What are they moaning about now? Their 13 weeks of paid holiday? Why should their employers not have the right to alter working practices if it is in favour of pupil progress? SCHOOLS ARE FOR CHILDREN, NOT THE BENEFIT OF TEACHERS! I recommend sacking any teachers who go on strike immediately. Youlikemyjugs
  • Score: -10

7:19pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
How naive you are, bit ignorant perhaps.

The majority if teachers in academy schools are now employed on temp contracts, they don't get paid holidays anymore.
Staff turnover end of summer term is often 20% plus.
Staff appraisals are no longer done as they're temps.

So you want our kids to be taught in such an environment?

I think not.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]How naive you are, bit ignorant perhaps. The majority if teachers in academy schools are now employed on temp contracts, they don't get paid holidays anymore. Staff turnover end of summer term is often 20% plus. Staff appraisals are no longer done as they're temps. So you want our kids to be taught in such an environment? I think not. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 16

7:20pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

Youlikemyjugs wrote:
Disgusting. What are they moaning about now? Their 13 weeks of paid holiday? Why should their employers not have the right to alter working practices if it is in favour of pupil progress?

SCHOOLS ARE FOR CHILDREN, NOT THE BENEFIT OF TEACHERS!

I recommend sacking any teachers who go on strike immediately.
How naive you are, bit ignorant perhaps.

The majority if teachers in academy schools are now employed on temp contracts, they don't get paid holidays anymore.
Staff turnover end of summer term is often 20% plus.
Staff appraisals are no longer done as they're temps.

So you want our kids to be taught in such an environment?

I think not.
[quote][p][bold]Youlikemyjugs[/bold] wrote: Disgusting. What are they moaning about now? Their 13 weeks of paid holiday? Why should their employers not have the right to alter working practices if it is in favour of pupil progress? SCHOOLS ARE FOR CHILDREN, NOT THE BENEFIT OF TEACHERS! I recommend sacking any teachers who go on strike immediately.[/p][/quote]How naive you are, bit ignorant perhaps. The majority if teachers in academy schools are now employed on temp contracts, they don't get paid holidays anymore. Staff turnover end of summer term is often 20% plus. Staff appraisals are no longer done as they're temps. So you want our kids to be taught in such an environment? I think not. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know.

I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.[/p][/quote]Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know. I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article. stevo!!
  • Score: -9

7:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........? Quiterie
  • Score: 6

8:06pm Wed 9 Jul 14

mandi26 says...

Has anybody actually received a email or text message about next weeks strike I know I haven t. I just got 2x texts and 2x emails reminding me about sports day today.
For a school that usually dishes out loads for everything I m surprised !!!!
So is the strike actually happening ??? Has the argus got it right ??? And if so when is a member of the school staff team actually going to let parents know ???
Has anybody actually received a email or text message about next weeks strike I know I haven t. I just got 2x texts and 2x emails reminding me about sports day today. For a school that usually dishes out loads for everything I m surprised !!!! So is the strike actually happening ??? Has the argus got it right ??? And if so when is a member of the school staff team actually going to let parents know ??? mandi26
  • Score: -1

8:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides. NathanAdler
  • Score: -6

8:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

mandi26 wrote:
Has anybody actually received a email or text message about next weeks strike I know I haven t. I just got 2x texts and 2x emails reminding me about sports day today.
For a school that usually dishes out loads for everything I m surprised !!!!
So is the strike actually happening ??? Has the argus got it right ??? And if so when is a member of the school staff team actually going to let parents know ???
How about enquiring yourself at your school, or do you just want everything on a plate?
[quote][p][bold]mandi26[/bold] wrote: Has anybody actually received a email or text message about next weeks strike I know I haven t. I just got 2x texts and 2x emails reminding me about sports day today. For a school that usually dishes out loads for everything I m surprised !!!! So is the strike actually happening ??? Has the argus got it right ??? And if so when is a member of the school staff team actually going to let parents know ???[/p][/quote]How about enquiring yourself at your school, or do you just want everything on a plate? graham_Seagull
  • Score: 1

8:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know.

I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.
Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them?

It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.[/p][/quote]Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know. I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.[/p][/quote]Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them? It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice. Quiterie
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know.

I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.
Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them?

It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.
Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task.

At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.[/p][/quote]Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know. I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.[/p][/quote]Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them? It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.[/p][/quote]Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task. At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed. stevo!!
  • Score: -4

8:26pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're way out of date.

My partner is a teacher of many years standing, highly recommended by name of ofsted reports.

She's on a temp contract with stat min pension contributions through NEST. Schools rarely hire perm staff now. Final salary pensions to which you infer are long gone except for the longest servers.
My partner gets in at 7 and leaves at 6 each day, then marks work and plans lessons in her own time. No pay for holidays as it's a zero hours contract.

It's time we all saw what gove is doing.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're way out of date. My partner is a teacher of many years standing, highly recommended by name of ofsted reports. She's on a temp contract with stat min pension contributions through NEST. Schools rarely hire perm staff now. Final salary pensions to which you infer are long gone except for the longest servers. My partner gets in at 7 and leaves at 6 each day, then marks work and plans lessons in her own time. No pay for holidays as it's a zero hours contract. It's time we all saw what gove is doing. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 8

8:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know.

I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.
Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them?

It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.
Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task.

At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed.
What are you banging on about?
The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher, I know quite a few teachers thank you.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.[/p][/quote]Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know. I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.[/p][/quote]Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them? It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.[/p][/quote]Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task. At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed.[/p][/quote]What are you banging on about? The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher, I know quite a few teachers thank you. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 3

8:29pm Wed 9 Jul 14

fredaj says...

whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills?

Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically.

Hmm?

And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills? Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically. Hmm? And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages. fredaj
  • Score: 1

8:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...."
So you're a position to know what the changes are.

Not everyone has that access.

Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?
"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...." So you're a position to know what the changes are. Not everyone has that access. Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them? stevo!!
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

fredaj wrote:
whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills?

Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically.

Hmm?

And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.
It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed.
They operate as nursemaid and babysitters.

You're so so very very wrong.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills? Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically. Hmm? And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.[/p][/quote]It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed. They operate as nursemaid and babysitters. You're so so very very wrong. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 2

8:33pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

stevo!! wrote:
"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...."
So you're a position to know what the changes are.

Not everyone has that access.

Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?
Erm.
I've just told you.

You really need spoon feeding don't you.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...." So you're a position to know what the changes are. Not everyone has that access. Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?[/p][/quote]Erm. I've just told you. You really need spoon feeding don't you. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...."
So you're a position to know what the changes are.

Not everyone has that access.

Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?
Erm.
I've just told you.

You really need spoon feeding don't you.
No, you didn't.

Here's what you said:

"The teachers terms and conditions are changing"

I knew that....that's why they are moaning.

" zero hours contracts are all the rage now"

I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers.

Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning?
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...." So you're a position to know what the changes are. Not everyone has that access. Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?[/p][/quote]Erm. I've just told you. You really need spoon feeding don't you.[/p][/quote]No, you didn't. Here's what you said: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing" I knew that....that's why they are moaning. " zero hours contracts are all the rage now" I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers. Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning? stevo!!
  • Score: -3

8:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

fredaj says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're way out of date.

My partner is a teacher of many years standing, highly recommended by name of ofsted reports.

She's on a temp contract with stat min pension contributions through NEST. Schools rarely hire perm staff now. Final salary pensions to which you infer are long gone except for the longest servers.
My partner gets in at 7 and leaves at 6 each day, then marks work and plans lessons in her own time. No pay for holidays as it's a zero hours contract.

It's time we all saw what gove is doing.
People on zero hours contracts are entitled to annual leave based on how many hours they actually work - exactly the same as everyone else who is employed.

I am surprised your partner, being recommended by name through OFSTED reports, does not know that.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're way out of date. My partner is a teacher of many years standing, highly recommended by name of ofsted reports. She's on a temp contract with stat min pension contributions through NEST. Schools rarely hire perm staff now. Final salary pensions to which you infer are long gone except for the longest servers. My partner gets in at 7 and leaves at 6 each day, then marks work and plans lessons in her own time. No pay for holidays as it's a zero hours contract. It's time we all saw what gove is doing.[/p][/quote]People on zero hours contracts are entitled to annual leave based on how many hours they actually work - exactly the same as everyone else who is employed. I am surprised your partner, being recommended by name through OFSTED reports, does not know that. fredaj
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're spot on mate. I am bored.

Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're spot on mate. I am bored. Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak. Quiterie
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Wed 9 Jul 14

fredaj says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
fredaj wrote:
whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills?

Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically.

Hmm?

And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.
It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed.
They operate as nursemaid and babysitters.

You're so so very very wrong.
For the last 20 years?
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills? Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically. Hmm? And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.[/p][/quote]It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed. They operate as nursemaid and babysitters. You're so so very very wrong.[/p][/quote]For the last 20 years? fredaj
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
So answer the question....if you can ;-)
Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.
Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know.

I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.
Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them?

It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.
Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task.

At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed.
Incorrect. The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions. That's the reason for the strike. That information is contained within the article. You may not agree with that reason. I may not agree with that reason. But that is the reason whether you like it or not.

If you require additional information about how becoming an academy can impact pay and conditions (and let's remember this is the Argus we're talking about not the Times Educational Supplement), that information is very, very easy to find on the internet.

Since you're incapable of carrying out the simple keystrokes to obtain this information I am more than happy to provide a link as you have requested.....

http://www.teachers.
org.uk/files/pay-con
ditions-a4-7128-new.
pdf
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]So answer the question....if you can ;-)[/p][/quote]Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section? The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article.[/p][/quote]Funny how you quoted my question, the one where I asked for details of the changes in question, yet moaned at me for .....er.....not detailing what I wanted to know. I want to know which changes to their pay and conditions IN PARTICULAR they are moaning about. Those details are NOT provided ONCE in the article.[/p][/quote]Were you one of those children who were incapable of wiping their own nose at school and got the teacher to do it for them? It took me 0.7 seconds to locate the information you're requesting on Google. If you require any additional support on how to use a search engine, please feel free to ask me for further advice.[/p][/quote]Provide the link, if you've worked out how to do such a simple task. At least you've accepted that the details I enquired about were NOT contained in the article, as you had earlier claimed.[/p][/quote]Incorrect. The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions. That's the reason for the strike. That information is contained within the article. You may not agree with that reason. I may not agree with that reason. But that is the reason whether you like it or not. If you require additional information about how becoming an academy can impact pay and conditions (and let's remember this is the Argus we're talking about not the Times Educational Supplement), that information is very, very easy to find on the internet. Since you're incapable of carrying out the simple keystrokes to obtain this information I am more than happy to provide a link as you have requested..... http://www.teachers. org.uk/files/pay-con ditions-a4-7128-new. pdf Quiterie
  • Score: 3

9:00pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

stevo!! wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...."
So you're a position to know what the changes are.

Not everyone has that access.

Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?
Erm.
I've just told you.

You really need spoon feeding don't you.
No, you didn't.

Here's what you said:

"The teachers terms and conditions are changing"

I knew that....that's why they are moaning.

" zero hours contracts are all the rage now"

I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers.

Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning?
Sheesh.
Take responsibility and look it up.-
Zero hours contracts
No holiday pay
No job security
Longer hours
Min pension contributions

Is that enough for you?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...." So you're a position to know what the changes are. Not everyone has that access. Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?[/p][/quote]Erm. I've just told you. You really need spoon feeding don't you.[/p][/quote]No, you didn't. Here's what you said: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing" I knew that....that's why they are moaning. " zero hours contracts are all the rage now" I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers. Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning?[/p][/quote]Sheesh. Take responsibility and look it up.- Zero hours contracts No holiday pay No job security Longer hours Min pension contributions Is that enough for you? graham_Seagull
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details. stevo!!
  • Score: -4

9:04pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

fredaj wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
fredaj wrote:
whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills?

Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically.

Hmm?

And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.
It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed.
They operate as nursemaid and babysitters.

You're so so very very wrong.
For the last 20 years?
Why 20 years and why are you blaming teachers?
Teachers are told what to teach, there is no room for individual flair, for experience.
Parents are rarely interested in their kids, they don't feed them
Properly before school, they leave discipline to teachers.

There are so many factors involved, teachers really don't stand a chance.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills? Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically. Hmm? And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.[/p][/quote]It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed. They operate as nursemaid and babysitters. You're so so very very wrong.[/p][/quote]For the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Why 20 years and why are you blaming teachers? Teachers are told what to teach, there is no room for individual flair, for experience. Parents are rarely interested in their kids, they don't feed them Properly before school, they leave discipline to teachers. There are so many factors involved, teachers really don't stand a chance. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

stevo!! wrote:
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
Oh my word.

You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: " The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.[/p][/quote]Oh my word. You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 5

9:10pm Wed 9 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're spot on mate. I am bored.

Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.
Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there.

I think you have missed my point.

Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time?

My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are.

Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year?

Madness, utter madness.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're spot on mate. I am bored. Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.[/p][/quote]Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there. I think you have missed my point. Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time? My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are. Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year? Madness, utter madness. NathanAdler
  • Score: -2

9:10pm Wed 9 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're spot on mate. I am bored.

Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.
Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there.

I think you have missed my point.

Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time?

My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are.

Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year?

Madness, utter madness.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're spot on mate. I am bored. Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.[/p][/quote]Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there. I think you have missed my point. Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time? My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are. Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year? Madness, utter madness. NathanAdler
  • Score: -2

9:27pm Wed 9 Jul 14

mhaiti says...

I love how teachers are demonised for striking when the whole nature of their employment and future security are at risk. Is anyone here saying that they wouldn't try and stand up for their rights if this happened to them?

Yes it's inconvenient on parents but I can guarantee that it'll be less convenient for the parents when none of the bright, inspirational, passionate prospective future teachers bother signing up for teacher training.

Turning teaching and the NHS into corporate profit making industries is the greatest crime that the government will ever commit. That the only debate is how annoying it is to take a day off to look after our kids goes to show that their 'divide an conquer' policy is working. We should all be fighting against the decisions Gove and ultimately Cameron and his cabinet are making....they're doing it it plain sight and nobody seems to notice or care.

Put simply, we seem to be at the cross roads of ensuring the future of education and health care for our kids and grandkids, they'll bloody despise us if we don't stand up for them now....
I love how teachers are demonised for striking when the whole nature of their employment and future security are at risk. Is anyone here saying that they wouldn't try and stand up for their rights if this happened to them? Yes it's inconvenient on parents but I can guarantee that it'll be less convenient for the parents when none of the bright, inspirational, passionate prospective future teachers bother signing up for teacher training. Turning teaching and the NHS into corporate profit making industries is the greatest crime that the government will ever commit. That the only debate is how annoying it is to take a day off to look after our kids goes to show that their 'divide an conquer' policy is working. We should all be fighting against the decisions Gove and ultimately Cameron and his cabinet are making....they're doing it it plain sight and nobody seems to notice or care. Put simply, we seem to be at the cross roads of ensuring the future of education and health care for our kids and grandkids, they'll bloody despise us if we don't stand up for them now.... mhaiti
  • Score: 8

9:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Bored with moaners says...

whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
Lets be honest here, what is currently churned out at the end isn't particularly inspiring is it? What will be the difference?
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]Lets be honest here, what is currently churned out at the end isn't particularly inspiring is it? What will be the difference? Bored with moaners
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
Oh my word.

You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation.
You haven't fed me anything, so your claim makes you the stupid one.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: " The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.[/p][/quote]Oh my word. You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation.[/p][/quote]You haven't fed me anything, so your claim makes you the stupid one. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

10:09pm Wed 9 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

stevo!! wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
Oh my word.

You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation.
You haven't fed me anything, so your claim makes you the stupid one.
You've been supplied with the basic reasons as to why teachers at this school do not want to become an academy, because an academy status will inevitably. (As it has at all others) seen their pay and conditions. Seriously compromised.

You've been supplied with an outline of the issues , zero hours contracts to name one.

You've been provided with links to background material on the internet for you to read .

You're nothing more than a facetious buffoon.

Good night.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: " The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.[/p][/quote]Oh my word. You are very very very stupid, I've lost patience with spoon feeding you now. You offer nothing, to this conversation.[/p][/quote]You haven't fed me anything, so your claim makes you the stupid one.[/p][/quote]You've been supplied with the basic reasons as to why teachers at this school do not want to become an academy, because an academy status will inevitably. (As it has at all others) seen their pay and conditions. Seriously compromised. You've been supplied with an outline of the issues , zero hours contracts to name one. You've been provided with links to background material on the internet for you to read . You're nothing more than a facetious buffoon. Good night. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong?

That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?
With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments.

But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it.

1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off.

2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension.

3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!!

I could go on but I am sure you are bored now.

As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are.

And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.
You're spot on mate. I am bored.

Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.
Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there.

I think you have missed my point.

Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time?

My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are.

Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year?

Madness, utter madness.
Because they see it as a vocation. Most good teachers could earn a lot more in the private sector. Particularly good science teachers and good maths teachers. A good maths teacher could easily double their money in the private sector as an accountant or actuary.

Already two fifths leave within 5 years of becoming a teacher. If we want that to continue then let's keep making the profession less and less attractive.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]So you're saying that the Dept of Education report that suggests teachers work an average of 60 hours a week is wrong? That's quite a claim my friend..... unless you have some evidence to back it up of course..........?[/p][/quote]With regards to evidence, I am afraid I do not have any empirical data undertaken in strict controlled environments. But I do have subjective evidence, lots of it. 1. A teacher lives opposite me. He is an OK kind of chap. He certainly does not work 60hrs per week. Probably 45 at the most with weekends fully off. 2. My wife's cousin has just retired from teaching. He was a deputy head. I can assure you his pension is about £950 per month more than my army pension. 3. When I retired from the army, a resettlement officer tried to push me in to teaching as I felt I had a good few years work in me and primary schools were looking for strong male role models. I went to an "open day" and were told by an ex-Navy officer who was now a teacher, and I quote, "this is the cushiest job in the world. 12 grand a year for telling a few stories to kids" 12K was a good wage then!! I could go on but I am sure you are bored now. As stated I believe teachers on the whole do a good job, but they are not as great as they think they are. And may I say, although I will be thumbed down for this, most teachers I know or have known are, ermmmm, a little up their own backsides.[/p][/quote]You're spot on mate. I am bored. Your comeback that a teacher who lives opposite "probably" does 45 hours is exceptionally weak.[/p][/quote]Well my own testimony is as good as any other's. The facts are there. I think you have missed my point. Teachers do not have it "easy" as such, but name a job that does? A report today, which I am sure had some govt backing, states that managers in industry work an extra day a week. Do they moan like teachers and go on strike all the time? My point is teachers are teachers. Good upstanding members of society, intelligent and probably fairly kind, but they aren't as great as they think they are. Also if they are so intelligent and brilliant, why are they, allegedly, working 60 hours a week for £22k a year? Madness, utter madness.[/p][/quote]Because they see it as a vocation. Most good teachers could earn a lot more in the private sector. Particularly good science teachers and good maths teachers. A good maths teacher could easily double their money in the private sector as an accountant or actuary. Already two fifths leave within 5 years of becoming a teacher. If we want that to continue then let's keep making the profession less and less attractive. Quiterie
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10:30pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
You're the one that has consistently claimed to be intelligent and clever yet you're incapable of doing some research of your own. Clearly not that clever then !
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: " The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.[/p][/quote]You're the one that has consistently claimed to be intelligent and clever yet you're incapable of doing some research of your own. Clearly not that clever then ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

10:53pm Wed 9 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
" The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions."

And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers.

I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.
You're the one that has consistently claimed to be intelligent and clever yet you're incapable of doing some research of your own. Clearly not that clever then !
I don't recall making such a claim, but I do have an annoying habit of supporting any of my assertions.

Feel free to quote what details others have allegedly provided that answers my original question, but I shall take your impending failure to do so as an admission that no such details have been provided.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: " The reason for the strike is very clear - when a school becomes an academy there is a threat to teachers pay and conditions." And the article stated that a change at this school had upset the teachers. I asked what those changes are, and TWO people who claimed to know what they are failed to state details.[/p][/quote]You're the one that has consistently claimed to be intelligent and clever yet you're incapable of doing some research of your own. Clearly not that clever then ![/p][/quote]I don't recall making such a claim, but I do have an annoying habit of supporting any of my assertions. Feel free to quote what details others have allegedly provided that answers my original question, but I shall take your impending failure to do so as an admission that no such details have been provided. stevo!!
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12:31am Thu 10 Jul 14

fredaj says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
fredaj wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
fredaj wrote:
whatone wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great.

I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special.

I have a degree you know!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.
Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'.

So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money.

And guess what will be churned out at the end...

Dumbed down kids!

It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' !
So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills?

Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically.

Hmm?

And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.
It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed.
They operate as nursemaid and babysitters.

You're so so very very wrong.
For the last 20 years?
Why 20 years and why are you blaming teachers?
Teachers are told what to teach, there is no room for individual flair, for experience.
Parents are rarely interested in their kids, they don't feed them
Properly before school, they leave discipline to teachers.

There are so many factors involved, teachers really don't stand a chance.
Ok - 30 years, or we could pick 25; whatever.

Point is, poor teaching has always existed (which is not the same as saying all teachers are poor!), it is not new and it is most certainly not a function of Gove or academies.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Oh but I have a degree.........I am so special...........I teach kids and I am sooooooooo great. I deserve 13 weeks holiday, a great pension 8-4 working hours.all weekends and bank holidays off because I am so special. I have a degree you know!!! Wake up and smell the coffee teachers. Your easy ride has come to an end. You do a good job, nobody is saying otherwise, but you a'int that special.[/p][/quote]Don't worry - these academies don't actually have to employ qualified 'special people'. So the dumbed down schools will soon be employing dumbed down educators whilst the 'sponsors' rake in the money. And guess what will be churned out at the end... Dumbed down kids! It's time you 'wake up and smell the coffee' ![/p][/quote]So what is the excuse for schools who have only been employing "special" people for all these years, turning out the 10s and 10s of 1000s of dumbed down children who do not even have basic reading and writing skills? Children without the basic skills they need, either academically or practically. Hmm? And I somehow doubt it has anything to do with smells or caffeinated beverages.[/p][/quote]It's everything to do with the system of centralised control. Teachers now robotically teach by rote as directed. They operate as nursemaid and babysitters. You're so so very very wrong.[/p][/quote]For the last 20 years?[/p][/quote]Why 20 years and why are you blaming teachers? Teachers are told what to teach, there is no room for individual flair, for experience. Parents are rarely interested in their kids, they don't feed them Properly before school, they leave discipline to teachers. There are so many factors involved, teachers really don't stand a chance.[/p][/quote]Ok - 30 years, or we could pick 25; whatever. Point is, poor teaching has always existed (which is not the same as saying all teachers are poor!), it is not new and it is most certainly not a function of Gove or academies. fredaj
  • Score: 0

12:42am Thu 10 Jul 14

fredaj says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...."
So you're a position to know what the changes are.

Not everyone has that access.

Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?
Erm.
I've just told you.

You really need spoon feeding don't you.
No, you didn't.

Here's what you said:

"The teachers terms and conditions are changing"

I knew that....that's why they are moaning.

" zero hours contracts are all the rage now"

I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers.

Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning?
Sheesh.
Take responsibility and look it up.-
Zero hours contracts
No holiday pay
No job security
Longer hours
Min pension contributions

Is that enough for you?
Again - zero hours contracts include holiday pay. ALL employees are legally entitled to the SAME rights regarding holiday pay.

Who has job security? All employees, zero hours or not can be made redundant at any time.

And pension contributions. If the scheme includes any employer contributions then you are better off than the vast majority of employees (although to be fair, the new national scheme is trying to address that).

While some on zero hours contracts probably would of course prefer a fixed schedule, they are only down-right scummy if they try to stop you from working elsewhere and somehow force you to work on demand. Otherwise they are just contracts that allow mutually agreed hours to be worked when those hours are available and plenty of contractors work with these terms for councils and for government and they suit all round.

But they are contracts like any other and offer the same employment rights and and protections as any other.

So remind me, what were the complaints again?
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing, zero hours contracts are all the rage now. I know. My partner is a teacher...." So you're a position to know what the changes are. Not everyone has that access. Are you now going to explain what the changes are and why the teachers are moaning about them?[/p][/quote]Erm. I've just told you. You really need spoon feeding don't you.[/p][/quote]No, you didn't. Here's what you said: "The teachers terms and conditions are changing" I knew that....that's why they are moaning. " zero hours contracts are all the rage now" I've heard of them, but there is no indication that they are being applied to teachers. Shall we just accept that you haven't a clue why they are moaning?[/p][/quote]Sheesh. Take responsibility and look it up.- Zero hours contracts No holiday pay No job security Longer hours Min pension contributions Is that enough for you?[/p][/quote]Again - zero hours contracts include holiday pay. ALL employees are legally entitled to the SAME rights regarding holiday pay. Who has job security? All employees, zero hours or not can be made redundant at any time. And pension contributions. If the scheme includes any employer contributions then you are better off than the vast majority of employees (although to be fair, the new national scheme is trying to address that). While some on zero hours contracts probably would of course prefer a fixed schedule, they are only down-right scummy if they try to stop you from working elsewhere and somehow force you to work on demand. Otherwise they are just contracts that allow mutually agreed hours to be worked when those hours are available and plenty of contractors work with these terms for councils and for government and they suit all round. But they are contracts like any other and offer the same employment rights and and protections as any other. So remind me, what were the complaints again? fredaj
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
What changes in particular are they moaning about?

Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.
You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.
There's no such thing as a valid strike, a strike is called when a minority cannot force a majority to give way to there wants.
Sometimes called blackmail.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: What changes in particular are they moaning about? Being made to teach children is surely part of the job description.[/p][/quote]You might want to do some research into acadamies. For once this is a valid strike.[/p][/quote]There's no such thing as a valid strike, a strike is called when a minority cannot force a majority to give way to there wants. Sometimes called blackmail. ThinkBrighton
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