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Multi-union strike brings city to standstill - live coverage

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Almost 200 schools closed across the county with teachers and training staff on strike. Unions predicting that some services will not run and some will be skeletal.

  • Thousands set to march through Brighton and Hove.

  • Comments


    ThinkBrighton 9:32am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Just a note, I have just driven to work and Brighton is not at a standstill,
    because the real working majority is going about it's business, and not being intimidated by some workshy fool from a union.
    Just not having your dustbin emptyed for another week or child being instructed by a teacher who has over 12 weeks holiday a year, is not the end of the world

    Score: -10
    Fercri Sakes 9:48am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.

    Score: 15
    stevo!! 9:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.

    A particularly stupid offering which bears no resemblance to reality.

    Score: -26
    spa301 9:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.

    So Fecri sakes has damned and denigrated anyone (in advance) who might disagree with his political viewpoints?! I might well agree with your sentiments but not your arrogance.

    Score: 17
    Fercri Sakes 10:11am Thu 10 Jul 14

    @Stevo!!

    You deny climate change exists and you went on the 'March for England' to celebrate your xenophobia. Who is out of touch with reality?

    Score: 13
    Quiterie 10:15am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.

    I support the unions right to strike and in particular the NUT's concerns about teacher's workloads, but when you start talking about "the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue" you're on very thin ice.

    Even with the current austerity measures the National Debt is increasing, week after week, month after month and year after year. The interest alone on our National Debt is around £50 billion a year. The only way to eliminate the deficit is to increase taxes or reduce spending.

    Assuming people don't want their taxes increased, that leaves reducing spending. That inevitably means some tough decisions, but we can't keep spending money we don't have.

    Do you really want to leave an even bigger National Debt to the next generation? If not what is your alternative solution to austerity?

    Score: 18
    Fercri Sakes 10:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

    @spa301

    No, I have damned and denigrated anybody (in advance) who is happy that the public sector should be made to pay for the actions of unscrupulous bankers, and who is happy that we all have a fight to the bottom on our pay and conditions. Sorry for my arrogance.

    Score: -6
    Fercri Sakes 10:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

    @Quiterie

    Ah, you've forgotten a simple part of your tax calculations, namely tax avoidance and evasion.

    Yes, 'people' do not want their tax increased but if corporations, big business and the rich paid their tax rather than moving it offshore then we could reduce the national debt without cutting the pay of nurses and raising our taxes. Simple!

    Under austerity the rich are becoming much richer and the hard working people of this country are getting poorer. Austerity politics believe that this money given to the rich will trickle down into our pockets but that is a failed economic model. I prefer a consumer-led recovery where we give the lowest paid more money, most of which gets spent in the local economy creating more jobs.

    Corporations can now decide how much tax thay want to pay to the UK Treasury just for PR reasons. They uses to contribute to schools and hospitals, now we and our children will have to make up the shortfall.

    Score: 5
    stevo!! 10:38am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    @spa301

    No, I have damned and denigrated anybody (in advance) who is happy that the public sector should be made to pay for the actions of unscrupulous bankers, and who is happy that we all have a fight to the bottom on our pay and conditions. Sorry for my arrogance.

    Are you going to apologise for your ignorance and your derogatory comment earlier?

    Score: -23
    stevo!! 10:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    @Stevo!!

    You deny climate change exists and you went on the 'March for England' to celebrate your xenophobia. Who is out of touch with reality?

    It was a celebration of my country.

    Only someone retarded would claim that xenophobia was involved.



    Your admission has been noted.

    Score: -24
    stevo!! 10:40am Thu 10 Jul 14

    "I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. "

    Denigrating everyone who disagrees with you.

    Score: -19
    stevo!! 10:47am Thu 10 Jul 14

    "Doctors,...........
    .. are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?"

    Have you seen any doctors struggling recently?

    Your comment was *that* stupid.

    Score: -13
    stevo!! 10:48am Thu 10 Jul 14

    " Jamie also spoke to a social worker who did not wish to be named.

    She said that there was a lot of insecurity around the job at the moment and even though she was a member of UNISON she was scared about being anmed or pictured in the paper because something might happen to her. "

    Who has threatened her?

    Isn't it her duty to name them and perhaps prevent something unpleasant?

    Score: -18
    stevo!! 10:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

    "Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse. "

    People are free to negotiate contracts, yes? So why attack a company which agrees those contracts without having a crystal ball to predict the future?

    You see? Yet another stupid comment from you.

    Score: -23
    Bugzy84 10:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

    I strongly agree that everyone is entitled to a fair salary that ensures they can provide for their needs, But Labour are a bit hypocritical to be honest considering it was Gordon Browns deregulation of the banks that has lead to this mess forcing the Conservatives to make such drastic and brutal policies.
    Simply we overspent and the bailiffs were at the door.
    Is the strike the right thing too do, maybe, maybe not, but it is clear the public workers are angry and tired, a compromise by the central government must be agreed to appease the situation.

    Score: 14
    stevo!! 10:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

    "Under austerity the rich are becoming much richer and the hard working people of this country are getting poorer."

    Thus claiming that 'rich' people aren't hard-working.

    Typical commie cr*p.

    The fact is that most people have to work hard to earn 'fortunes' - in fact, they work harder than those who empty the bins. High wages are their reward.

    Oh, and the poor aren't getting 'poorer'. And don't make the error of claiming that the poverty gap is some kind of indicator.

    " Austerity politics believe that this money given to the rich will trickle down into our pockets but that is a failed economic model."

    It's not a 'model'...it is economic fact.

    The more money that 'rich' people spend, the better for those at the lower end of the incomes scale.

    As I said, your comments bear no relation to reality.

    Score: -21
    Quiterie 11:21am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    @Quiterie

    Ah, you've forgotten a simple part of your tax calculations, namely tax avoidance and evasion.

    Yes, 'people' do not want their tax increased but if corporations, big business and the rich paid their tax rather than moving it offshore then we could reduce the national debt without cutting the pay of nurses and raising our taxes. Simple!

    Under austerity the rich are becoming much richer and the hard working people of this country are getting poorer. Austerity politics believe that this money given to the rich will trickle down into our pockets but that is a failed economic model. I prefer a consumer-led recovery where we give the lowest paid more money, most of which gets spent in the local economy creating more jobs.

    Corporations can now decide how much tax thay want to pay to the UK Treasury just for PR reasons. They uses to contribute to schools and hospitals, now we and our children will have to make up the shortfall.

    Ok, I'm sure we all agree that tax avoidance and evasion should be clamped down on. But I certainly haven't 'forgotten about it as part of my tax calculations'. I'm just being realistic. Successive governments have tried to tackle it, but have largely failed. You just have to look at the high profile 'Icebreaker' and 'Liberty' schemes to see how hard it has been for HMRC to crack down on these schemes and how long it has taken (and how relatively little money is likely to be recovered).

    Every country faces this same issue. Hopefully this situation will improve, but let's not kid ourselves that improved tax avoidance measures will remove the necessity for austerity.

    Score: 5
    Fozborn 11:49am Thu 10 Jul 14

    *"City at Standstill"* - update
    11.45am and things not really any worse than usual. Traffic moving on both sides of Victoria Gardens. Demonstrators being kept in bus lanes by the police ( I always wondered why they'd been built). Shops are trading, cafes serving customers, office and shop workers earning money to pay their taxes to finance the public sector.

    Score: 15
    PETE OF QUEENS PARK 11:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

    Don't blame the strikers for bringing the city to a standstill as it is like it most day's since those Green Clowns led by that idiot Kitkat have been trying to stop locals plus visitors from coming into the city with cars by wasting money on multiple bus and cycle lanes that have stopped the flow of traffic and I feel sorry for anyone who has got use the main Lewes road route over the next few months when they try to balls up the Gyratory system starting next week no wonder I see the Argue headline today Brighton council 6 million in debt roll on next May to get rid of the idiots

    Score: 8
    stir up 12:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Just hope the government soon gets to grip with the unions.

    Score: -4
    Fercri Sakes 12:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    stir up wrote…


    Just hope the government soon gets to grip with the unions.

    I'd prefer it if they got to grips with fat cats, bankers, tax avoiding corporation, paedophile rings, cronyism, lack of social mobility and press freedoms before they took away powers from workers who have organised to prevent their pay and conditions from withering away. But apparently that makes me a communist.

    Score: 13
    stevo!! 12:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    stir up wrote…


    Just hope the government soon gets to grip with the unions.
    I'd prefer it if they got to grips with fat cats, bankers, tax avoiding corporation, paedophile rings, cronyism, lack of social mobility and press freedoms before they took away powers from workers who have organised to prevent their pay and conditions from withering away. But apparently that makes me a communist.

    And a class warrior.

    You hate people doing well unless they are the low-paid.

    Score: -25
    stevo!! 1:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    "City at standstill"

    Which bit?

    I suspect that many people in the area won't even be aware of a strike, let alone any 'standstill'.

    Score: -9
    FatherTed11 1:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Sorry Argus, no standstill here in Hove.

    Score: 7
    stevo!! 1:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    "I Am So Angy I Made A Sign"

    'Angy'??


    The stupid woman.....what kind of idiot would employ her?

    Score: -9
    spa301 1:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    "I Am So Angy I Made A Sign"

    'Angy'??


    The stupid woman.....what kind of idiot would employ her?

    The Argus.

    Score: 18
    Metro Reader 1:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    I FULLY SUPPORT the strikers, this government has cut public sector jobs and wages and warded contracts to their mates on the private sector to make profit!

    IF, and it is a massive IF the civil service pension is no longer affordable, close it to NEW members, not the members that have paid into it for 20-30 plus years.

    Funny how the MPs pension is tripple gold plated !

    As for pay - my partner works for the Courts Service, their jobs are being sold to the private sector for proffit - Only crucks make profit at the expense of somneone else, Dave and Nick or DICK for short.

    Public sector workers are not on massive sallaries, most learn just above the minium wage, my partner has not had a pay rise at all for FIVE YEARS, not a thing!

    So before you all start moaning about the stike get some balls and stand up for your rights.

    Score: 8
    Fercri Sakes 1:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    "I Am So Angy I Made A Sign"

    'Angy'??


    The stupid woman.....what kind of idiot would employ her?

    Stevo, do you actually have a job yourself? I bet all employees out there are looking for people who spend all day on new comments areas denigrating the unemployed, people with foreign names, those suffering mental illness, public sector workers and renewable energy technology.

    Score: 16
    stevo!! 1:55pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    "I Am So Angy I Made A Sign"

    'Angy'??


    The stupid woman.....what kind of idiot would employ her?
    Stevo, do you actually have a job yourself? I bet all employees out there are looking for people who spend all day on new comments areas denigrating the unemployed, people with foreign names, those suffering mental illness, public sector workers and renewable energy technology.

    "Employees"

    Are you having trouble distinguishing 'between 'employer' and 'employee'?

    I would have thought that someone who rants about such people would have taken the trouble to discover the difference.

    Score: -23
    monkeymoo 2:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!

    Score: 20
    stevo!! 2:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!

    Feel free to discuss any points which you think are stupid......IF you have the intelligence.

    I haven't seen much evidence of that yet.

    Score: -26
    [deleted] 3:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14
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    Score: 3
    [deleted] 3:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14
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    Score: 4
    reddogs 3:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Bloody stupid strikers got no sense going on strike can only harm the country ,they should think them selves lucky that they have got jobs

    Score: -7
    stevo!! 3:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    @spa301

    No, I have damned and denigrated anybody (in advance) who is happy that the public sector should be made to pay for the actions of unscrupulous bankers, and who is happy that we all have a fight to the bottom on our pay and conditions. Sorry for my arrogance.

    But the public sector isn't the one shouldering the bulk of the burden of repaying the National Debt increase caused by Labour's inept policing of the economy.

    It is the private sector, the ones don't have public sector employment protection/pension rights.

    And those 'unscrupulous' bankers were simply trying to maximise profits, leading to them paying more in taxes to the benefit of all. I take it you've forgotten Mandy's "intensely relaxed about high earnings as long as they pay their taxes" comment?

    It was the same old story - Labour get into power and lose their collective sanity.

    And that same Labour Party ( the one created by and for the 'little' people) royally scr*wed them by opening this country to cheap foreign labour, thus creating problems that this country will take centuries to resolve.

    You and your kind have a lot more to apologise for than merely being arrogant.

    Score: -10
    Quiterie 4:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!
    Feel free to discuss any points which you think are stupid......IF you have the intelligence.

    I haven't seen much evidence of that yet.

    To anyone tempted to take young stevo up on his offer of a discussion, please be warned that I had the misfortune of doing just that on another story last night.

    Despite answering his questions in great detail he kept asking the same ridiculous question over and over again.

    It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.

    You have been warned!

    Score: 14
    menton 4:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Public sector workers are forever moaning. Cityclean workers aside, I have no time for any of them. Stupid time-wasting marches achieve nothing. Sack the lot of them. And before the howls of anguish start, I'll just add that I am a pensioner. If they don't like the work, leave. Good riddance.

    Score: -5
    spa301 4:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Quiterie wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!
    Feel free to discuss any points which you think are stupid......IF you have the intelligence.

    I haven't seen much evidence of that yet.
    To anyone tempted to take young stevo up on his offer of a discussion, please be warned that I had the misfortune of doing just that on another story last night.

    Despite answering his questions in great detail he kept asking the same ridiculous question over and over again.

    It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.

    You have been warned!

    Laughed out loud at that one!
    Not sure where he suddenly came from but he sure has a lot to say for himself.

    Score: 12
    stevo!! 4:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    "To anyone tempted to take young stevo up on his offer of a discussion, please be warned that I had the misfortune of doing just that on another story last night.

    Despite answering his questions in great detail he kept asking the same ridiculous question over and over again."

    Was that on the teachers' strike threat thread?

    http://www.theargus.
    co.uk/news/11329670.
    Hove_Park_teachers_t
    o_strike_against_aca
    demy_plans/

    I asked if anyone could provide details of their grievances. Your first response was:

    "Did you actually read the article or skip straight to the comments section?

    The article makes it very clear what they're "moaning about" ..... "the threat to their pay and conditions" .... It's actually mentioned twice in the article."

    Note the complete absence of details of their complaint, merely confirmation that SOMETHING had changed to upset them.

    Your next response got all personal, didn't it? Asking if I could wipe my own nose.

    You finally (after being forced to accept that the article hadn't given details of their grievances) posted a link to the teacher.org.uk website, which is something you could have done in your very first response to my question.

    Score: -16
    stevo!! 4:31pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    menton wrote…


    Public sector workers are forever moaning. Cityclean workers aside, I have no time for any of them. Stupid time-wasting marches achieve nothing. Sack the lot of them. And before the howls of anguish start, I'll just add that I am a pensioner. If they don't like the work, leave. Good riddance.

    Well said!!

    Score: -25
    Fairfax Aches 4:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    I should turn the hoses on the bunch of them!

    Score: -5
    Zeta Function 5:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Quiterie wrote…


    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.
    I support the unions right to strike and in particular the NUT's concerns about teacher's workloads, but when you start talking about "the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue" you're on very thin ice.

    Even with the current austerity measures the National Debt is increasing, week after week, month after month and year after year. The interest alone on our National Debt is around £50 billion a year. The only way to eliminate the deficit is to increase taxes or reduce spending.

    Assuming people don't want their taxes increased, that leaves reducing spending. That inevitably means some tough decisions, but we can't keep spending money we don't have.

    Do you really want to leave an even bigger National Debt to the next generation? If not what is your alternative solution to austerity?

    To get things into perspective: The coalition, Tory-led, borrowed £91.5 billion in 2013, and invested a miserable £23.7 billion.

    Big borrowing by a government that wants to pay off the nation's credit card debt!

    So why haven't they reduced borrowing? Osborne believed there would be growth, but as we all know cuts, and frozen wages can also freeze growth. Fiscal consolidation has hurt workers. In short austerity policies have beggared the economy.

    Score: -2
    stevo!! 5:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    "In short austerity policies have beggared the economy."

    And we all know what state the situation was in 2010.

    Of course, some will choose to ignore the way Labour ruined everything. I find it cynical beyond measure that Labour are using workers in this way to try and get back into power. Milliband and the rest have already told us that they not only haven't learned from the past, but that they fully intend to be even more lefty after 2015.

    Score: -15
    Quiterie 6:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Zeta Function wrote…


    Quiterie wrote…


    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.
    I support the unions right to strike and in particular the NUT's concerns about teacher's workloads, but when you start talking about "the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue" you're on very thin ice.

    Even with the current austerity measures the National Debt is increasing, week after week, month after month and year after year. The interest alone on our National Debt is around £50 billion a year. The only way to eliminate the deficit is to increase taxes or reduce spending.

    Assuming people don't want their taxes increased, that leaves reducing spending. That inevitably means some tough decisions, but we can't keep spending money we don't have.

    Do you really want to leave an even bigger National Debt to the next generation? If not what is your alternative solution to austerity?
    To get things into perspective: The coalition, Tory-led, borrowed £91.5 billion in 2013, and invested a miserable £23.7 billion.

    Big borrowing by a government that wants to pay off the nation's credit card debt!

    So why haven't they reduced borrowing? Osborne believed there would be growth, but as we all know cuts, and frozen wages can also freeze growth. Fiscal consolidation has hurt workers. In short austerity policies have beggared the economy.

    Good question. The answer is that despite economic growth there is still a "structural deficit".

    A structural deficit is basically the current budget deficit, adjusted to strip out the cyclical nature of the economy. Or put another way, it's the underlying deficit that is not directly affected by economic performance.

    That's why austerity/cuts are necessary - to eliminate the structural deficit. Where those cuts fall is obviously a very emotive subject, but cuts are necessary, otherwise the National Debt will continue to grow. That's why every party (with the obvious exception of the Greens) agree that austerity is essential.

    Score: 5
    Ambo Guy 6:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!

    Stevo is nearly an internet troll who gets his kick trying to get a rise from people.

    I guess he needs a hobby other than w****ing and playing Call of Duty!

    Score: 21
    Ambo Guy 6:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    *** meant clearly ***

    Score: 10
    monkeymoo 6:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.

    Score: 13
    stevo!! 7:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Ambo Guy wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!
    Stevo is nearly an internet troll who gets his kick trying to get a rise from people.

    I guess he needs a hobby other than w****ing and playing Call of Duty!

    I suggest you keep your sexual fantasies to yourself, mate.......

    Score: -18
    Mr P Brown 7:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.
    A particularly stupid offering which bears no resemblance to reality.

    Says the master of particularly stupid offerings which bears no resemblance to reality.

    Score: 12
    fredaj 7:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    3pm finish?

    Well I guess the teachers all need to be home for tea at their normal time......

    Score: -8
    stevo!! 7:13pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Mr P Brown wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.
    A particularly stupid offering which bears no resemblance to reality.
    Says the master of particularly stupid offerings which bears no resemblance to reality.

    Feel free to question the content of a post if you think it contains stupid comments, but only IF you have the intelligence to do so.

    Otherwise, you look pathetic, moaning away about what others are posting.

    HTH

    Score: -15
    fredaj 7:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fozborn wrote…


    *"City at Standstill"* - update
    11.45am and things not really any worse than usual. Traffic moving on both sides of Victoria Gardens. Demonstrators being kept in bus lanes by the police ( I always wondered why they'd been built). Shops are trading, cafes serving customers, office and shop workers earning money to pay their taxes to finance the public sector.

    Yes. since when was the "city", home to 250,000 people plus, a function of a few people out on strike?

    The city most certainly was NOT at a standstill. Where I work, business progressed as usual, work was completed, money was earned, taxes were paid while elsewhere, people lived and people died as they do every day of the year.

    Live goes on and if it wasn't for a few photos in The Argus, most of us have had zero impacted upon us by today's shindig.

    Score: -1
    Fercri Sakes 7:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    spa301 wrote…


    Quiterie wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!
    Feel free to discuss any points which you think are stupid......IF you have the intelligence.

    I haven't seen much evidence of that yet.
    To anyone tempted to take young stevo up on his offer of a discussion, please be warned that I had the misfortune of doing just that on another story last night.

    Despite answering his questions in great detail he kept asking the same ridiculous question over and over again.

    It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.

    You have been warned!
    Laughed out loud at that one!
    Not sure where he suddenly came from but he sure has a lot to say for himself.

    Stevo used to comment as "ZeeGee FFS". He's been ranting on under that other name for ages until the recent switch to "Stevo!!".

    Score: 12
    stevo!! 7:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Quiterie wrote…


    Zeta Function wrote…


    Quiterie wrote…


    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    Well done to everybody taking and supporting the strike action today.

    Doctors, teachers, nurses and police are the glue that hold society together. They are currently paying the price for the actions of casino bankers during the last decade. The rest of us have given all our money to help prop those banks up. Seen any bankers struggling recently?

    Hopefully our children will not have to live in a society where one of these banker's bonuses is the equivalent to 20 years pay for a teacher. Or a world where poor performing CEOs make 2000x the wage of a nurse.

    Feel free to keep reading the right wing press pitting private against public workers, racing to a bottom where we all get minimum wage. We could always demand a better future for all, not just the super rich who want us all fighting each other over scraps.

    I presume the usual commentators will pipe up below with their narrow minded thoughts about how they are inconvenienced by today's actions. It will highlight you as somebody who has little idea of the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue. It will highlight you as politically ignorant, selfish and brainwashed to an extent. But please feel free to gripe about how your day was affected below.
    I support the unions right to strike and in particular the NUT's concerns about teacher's workloads, but when you start talking about "the type of society we will be giving to the next generation if we allow the current politics of austerity to continue" you're on very thin ice.

    Even with the current austerity measures the National Debt is increasing, week after week, month after month and year after year. The interest alone on our National Debt is around £50 billion a year. The only way to eliminate the deficit is to increase taxes or reduce spending.

    Assuming people don't want their taxes increased, that leaves reducing spending. That inevitably means some tough decisions, but we can't keep spending money we don't have.

    Do you really want to leave an even bigger National Debt to the next generation? If not what is your alternative solution to austerity?
    To get things into perspective: The coalition, Tory-led, borrowed £91.5 billion in 2013, and invested a miserable £23.7 billion.

    Big borrowing by a government that wants to pay off the nation's credit card debt!

    So why haven't they reduced borrowing? Osborne believed there would be growth, but as we all know cuts, and frozen wages can also freeze growth. Fiscal consolidation has hurt workers. In short austerity policies have beggared the economy.
    Good question. The answer is that despite economic growth there is still a "structural deficit".

    A structural deficit is basically the current budget deficit, adjusted to strip out the cyclical nature of the economy. Or put another way, it's the underlying deficit that is not directly affected by economic performance.

    That's why austerity/cuts are necessary - to eliminate the structural deficit. Where those cuts fall is obviously a very emotive subject, but cuts are necessary, otherwise the National Debt will continue to grow. That's why every party (with the obvious exception of the Greens) agree that austerity is essential.

    So you DO have the ability to answer questions at the first attempt.

    Score: -17
    Quiterie 8:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.

    I feel sorry for him too. It's a shame that he seems to deliberately seek to alienate people because I think he has some interesting thoughts. He just doesn't know how to channel those thoughts into constructive arguments with other people.

    Score: 12
    Ambo Guy 8:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fercri Sakes wrote…


    spa301 wrote…


    Quiterie wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Is STEVO! a real person?

    Surely someone cannot be that blinkered, and stupid!?
    I bet his parents are soooo proud!
    Feel free to discuss any points which you think are stupid......IF you have the intelligence.

    I haven't seen much evidence of that yet.
    To anyone tempted to take young stevo up on his offer of a discussion, please be warned that I had the misfortune of doing just that on another story last night.

    Despite answering his questions in great detail he kept asking the same ridiculous question over and over again.

    It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.

    You have been warned!
    Laughed out loud at that one!
    Not sure where he suddenly came from but he sure has a lot to say for himself.
    Stevo used to comment as "ZeeGee FFS". He's been ranting on under that other name for ages until the recent switch to "Stevo!!".

    Ahhh I see. So that username got banned and he's just come back under this one.

    Stupidity will always shine through with people like him so you can always tell it's him!

    Score: 8
    stevo!! 8:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Quiterie wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel sorry for him too. It's a shame that he seems to deliberately seek to alienate people because I think he has some interesting thoughts. He just doesn't know how to channel those thoughts into constructive arguments with other people.

    I didn't come on here to be popular and 'make friends'.

    I came on here to discuss news items.

    If I upset stupid people/lefties/nazis
    /liberals, then that's merely a bonus.

    Score: -12
    Idontbelieveit1948 10:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    Fairfax Aches wrote…


    I should turn the hoses on the bunch of them!

    Problem is the fire brigade are on the march too !!!!

    Score: 7
    spurious warnings 11:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.

    I feel really sorry for him too. Clearly he has no mates because he seems to spend all day on the Argus website (look at the times he posts his comments -all day throughout the day and how quickly he retorts to any sort of criticism). Poor sod, probably the only way he can get any attention.
    And now judging by all the thumbs down he gets, even anonymously everyone dislikes him. What a sad spineless person.

    Score: 7
    stevo!! 1:19am Fri 11 Jul 14

    spurious warnings wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel really sorry for him too. Clearly he has no mates because he seems to spend all day on the Argus website (look at the times he posts his comments -all day throughout the day and how quickly he retorts to any sort of criticism). Poor sod, probably the only way he can get any attention.
    And now judging by all the thumbs down he gets, even anonymously everyone dislikes him. What a sad spineless person.

    You actually check posting times??

    What a sad spineless person.

    Score: -10
    monkeymoo 5:17am Fri 11 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    spurious warnings wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel really sorry for him too. Clearly he has no mates because he seems to spend all day on the Argus website (look at the times he posts his comments -all day throughout the day and how quickly he retorts to any sort of criticism). Poor sod, probably the only way he can get any attention.
    And now judging by all the thumbs down he gets, even anonymously everyone dislikes him. What a sad spineless person.
    You actually check posting times??

    What a sad spineless person.

    Why are you Writing posts at 0119hrs!

    Is your life really that empty?
    So much hate in this poor individuals heart.
    So sad.

    Score: 10
    Plantpot 7:06am Fri 11 Jul 14

    spurious warnings wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel really sorry for him too. Clearly he has no mates because he seems to spend all day on the Argus website (look at the times he posts his comments -all day throughout the day and how quickly he retorts to any sort of criticism). Poor sod, probably the only way he can get any attention.
    And now judging by all the thumbs down he gets, even anonymously everyone dislikes him. What a sad spineless person.

    I quite like the fact that Stevo has an intelligent opinion on the matters discussed here. There are posters on here that I don't agree with who also have useful, intelligent contributions to make and all contributions of this nature should be valued.

    Your contribution, and others similar to yous make you look like a t**t rather than Stevo.

    Score: -6
    Just trying to earn a crust 8:39am Fri 11 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    Quiterie wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel sorry for him too. It's a shame that he seems to deliberately seek to alienate people because I think he has some interesting thoughts. He just doesn't know how to channel those thoughts into constructive arguments with other people.
    I didn't come on here to be popular and 'make friends'.

    I came on here to discuss news items.

    If I upset stupid people/lefties/nazis

    /liberals, then that's merely a bonus.

    Discussing things should not require insulting people, which you do with nearly every post. I don't need to make friends is fine, however there is nothing wrong with being civil to the other commentators. People usually resort to insults when they haven't got the language or ability to argue a point sensibly. I can only assume this applies to you stevo

    Score: 7
    stevo!! 9:04am Fri 11 Jul 14

    monkeymoo wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    spurious warnings wrote…


    monkeymoo wrote…


    Quiterie:

    'It was like having a discussion with a retarded hamster with Alzheimer's.'

    Such a great comment.
    Sums Stevo!! up perfectly.

    I do feel a bit sorry for him though.
    I feel really sorry for him too. Clearly he has no mates because he seems to spend all day on the Argus website (look at the times he posts his comments -all day throughout the day and how quickly he retorts to any sort of criticism). Poor sod, probably the only way he can get any attention.
    And now judging by all the thumbs down he gets, even anonymously everyone dislikes him. What a sad spineless person.
    You actually check posting times??

    What a sad spineless person.
    Why are you Writing posts at 0119hrs!

    Is your life really that empty?
    So much hate in this poor individuals heart.
    So sad.

    Thank you for proving my point!

    I came home after a night out with buddies and did that post precisely to see what the idiots would say about the time.

    I don't recall posting anything hateful on here apart from comments about criminals and dangerous people, but stupid people see what they want regardless of whether or not it is there.

    I do hope you're not proud of that.

    Score: -8
    stevo!! 10:10am Fri 11 Jul 14

    "Discussing things should not require insulting people, which you do with nearly every post. I don't need to make friends is fine, however there is nothing wrong with being civil to the other commentators. People usually resort to insults when they haven't got the language or ability to argue a point sensibly. I can only assume this applies to you stevo"

    'Require'??

    Are you sure you chose the right word?

    I respond to abuse. If an idiot abuses me, that will be pointed out.

    You plainly read a lot of my posts.....why not check the contents of those I'm quoting? If I'm claiming that they are an idiot or something, there will generally be abuse from them first.

    You're right about those who are stupid resorting to insults, and the very fact that they are abusing me shows that they haven't the intelligence to address my comments.

    Score: -9
    AlanPare 1:02pm Fri 11 Jul 14

    stevo!! wrote…


    "Discussing things should not require insulting people, which you do with nearly every post. I don't need to make friends is fine, however there is nothing wrong with being civil to the other commentators. People usually resort to insults when they haven't got the language or ability to argue a point sensibly. I can only assume this applies to you stevo"

    'Require'??

    Are you sure you chose the right word?

    I respond to abuse. If an idiot abuses me, that will be pointed out.

    You plainly read a lot of my posts.....why not check the contents of those I'm quoting? If I'm claiming that they are an idiot or something, there will generally be abuse from them first.

    You're right about those who are stupid resorting to insults, and the very fact that they are abusing me shows that they haven't the intelligence to address my comments.

    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

    •Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    •Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    •Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    •Requires excessive admiration

    •Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    •Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    •Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    •Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

    •Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    Score: 6
    spurious warnings 2:39pm Fri 11 Jul 14

    AlanPare wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    "Discussing things should not require insulting people, which you do with nearly every post. I don't need to make friends is fine, however there is nothing wrong with being civil to the other commentators. People usually resort to insults when they haven't got the language or ability to argue a point sensibly. I can only assume this applies to you stevo"

    'Require'??

    Are you sure you chose the right word?

    I respond to abuse. If an idiot abuses me, that will be pointed out.

    You plainly read a lot of my posts.....why not check the contents of those I'm quoting? If I'm claiming that they are an idiot or something, there will generally be abuse from them first.

    You're right about those who are stupid resorting to insults, and the very fact that they are abusing me shows that they haven't the intelligence to address my comments.
    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

    •Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    •Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    •Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    •Requires excessive admiration

    •Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    •Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    •Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    •Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

    •Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    well done! I think you've silenced him!
    (by the way, that is him to a tee!)

    Score: 5
    stevo!! 12:13pm Sat 12 Jul 14

    AlanPare wrote…


    stevo!! wrote…


    "Discussing things should not require insulting people, which you do with nearly every post. I don't need to make friends is fine, however there is nothing wrong with being civil to the other commentators. People usually resort to insults when they haven't got the language or ability to argue a point sensibly. I can only assume this applies to you stevo"

    'Require'??

    Are you sure you chose the right word?

    I respond to abuse. If an idiot abuses me, that will be pointed out.

    You plainly read a lot of my posts.....why not check the contents of those I'm quoting? If I'm claiming that they are an idiot or something, there will generally be abuse from them first.

    You're right about those who are stupid resorting to insults, and the very fact that they are abusing me shows that they haven't the intelligence to address my comments.
    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

    •Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    •Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    •Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    •Requires excessive admiration

    •Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    •Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    •Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    •Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

    •Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    Alan Pare is the one who advocates sex with animals, right?

    Score: -1

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