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Road changes slammed by cycling campaigner

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A cycling campaigner has slammed changes to a city centre road.

Plans to develop North Street were approved by Brighton and Hove’s City Council’s Environment and Transport Committee earlier this month despite pleas by cycling campaigners for a rethink.

The improvements put forward and paid for by the Royal Bank of Scotland include widening pavements, upgrading and adding new crossings, adding trees and benches and installing new bus shelters.

The bank states the changes are necessary to improve the area, which suffers from high shop vacancy rates and overcrowded pavements.

But cycling campaigners say the changes have nothing for them.

Becky Reynolds (pictured), of Brighton and Hove cycle campaign group Bricycles, said: “The North Street scheme is good news for pedestrians and bus users, but there is almost nothing on offer for cycling.

“I gave feedback at one of the workshops about the plans for North Street and I’ve contacted the chairman of the environment, transport and sustainability committee to make some points.

“It is acknowledged that this scheme’s main benefits are for pedestrians and bus-users, and in the words of the consultants, the biggest challenge is cycling.”

Dani Ahrens, who works for Brighton Resource Centre in Tilbury Place, wrote to the council asking for them to consider the impact on cyclists.

Ms Ahrens wrote: “The proposals will go some way towards making cycling on North Street safer, but it will remain very daunting, and entirely off putting for anyone not already used to cycling in traffic.”

Ms Reynolds said Bricycles “substantially agree with what’s expressed in the letter.”

Mark Strong, who tweets as ‘ibikebrighton’ and is the representative for Brighton and Hove Community Works for transport, said: “We expressed concern that cyclists were not taken into account, designers acknowledged this at the meeting but nothing concrete has appeared.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokeswoman said: “The proposals to make environmental improvements in North Street will make it safer for all road users, improve air quality and rejuvenate this important shopping area.

“We will be working with the designers and the developer to make sure that the improvements, funded by RBS, deliver maximum benefits for residents, businesses and visitors.”

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8:12am Mon 14 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

In further News cyclists are campaigning to have pedestrians banned from pavements so cyclists have more room !
In further News cyclists are campaigning to have pedestrians banned from pavements so cyclists have more room ! chrismilo
  • Score: 66

8:13am Mon 14 Jul 14

Peppers I says...

Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over. Peppers I
  • Score: 78

8:30am Mon 14 Jul 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers.
In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists!
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers. In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists! SonnyJim55
  • Score: 93

8:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

lindaf says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers.
In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists!
You've got my vote!!!
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers. In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists![/p][/quote]You've got my vote!!! lindaf
  • Score: 68

8:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

paul6391 says...

I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a
nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............ paul6391
  • Score: 95

9:01am Mon 14 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

Is Becky disguised as a bus ?
Is Becky disguised as a bus ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 33

9:05am Mon 14 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Becky appears to look like the front of a bus.
Becky appears to look like the front of a bus. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 16

9:23am Mon 14 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I'm a cyclist, driver and motorcyclists and I wish these cycling groups would stop claiming to represent all cyclists. They don't.
The pavements in North Street do need widening and more crossings installed and hopefully that will stop pedestrians walking out in front of buses, taxis and cyclists and strolling down the road in the gutter because the pavement is overcrowded.
The main issue in this town for cyclists is the appalling state of the roads which is awful for all road users and the lack of cycle racks at key locations in the town.
And no we didn't need a cycle lane In Edward Street or the Lewes Road. These so called cycle improvements are actually improvements for the buses not cars and not cyclists. The Greens claimed they invented the Lewes Road cycle lane yet it had been there for years. All they did is put a few bus stops in and moved the lane behind some of them and not even all of them.
The biggest change to the Lewes Road was the closure of the inside lane for buses and the same with Edward Street yet the buses don't even stay in lane, they weave in and out rendering the bus lanes pointless.
The improvements purely place anger on cyclists when in fact most improvements have been for the bus company at our expense.
I'm a cyclist, driver and motorcyclists and I wish these cycling groups would stop claiming to represent all cyclists. They don't. The pavements in North Street do need widening and more crossings installed and hopefully that will stop pedestrians walking out in front of buses, taxis and cyclists and strolling down the road in the gutter because the pavement is overcrowded. The main issue in this town for cyclists is the appalling state of the roads which is awful for all road users and the lack of cycle racks at key locations in the town. And no we didn't need a cycle lane In Edward Street or the Lewes Road. These so called cycle improvements are actually improvements for the buses not cars and not cyclists. The Greens claimed they invented the Lewes Road cycle lane yet it had been there for years. All they did is put a few bus stops in and moved the lane behind some of them and not even all of them. The biggest change to the Lewes Road was the closure of the inside lane for buses and the same with Edward Street yet the buses don't even stay in lane, they weave in and out rendering the bus lanes pointless. The improvements purely place anger on cyclists when in fact most improvements have been for the bus company at our expense. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 42

9:34am Mon 14 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything.
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything. gheese77
  • Score: -48

9:39am Mon 14 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

So they are widening the pavements in North Street. Ooh lots more room for the cyclists then. Maybe if they cycle fast enough down them they can push all the pedestrians off the pavements and into the path of buses so there are no more pedestrians on North St. They can keep it all to themselves in the same way that all other roads in Brighton and Hove gone in their favour.

By the way, no mention of car and commercial vehicle drivers who have not been able to use North St for years and now cannot go down Ship St either. Makes delivering products to shops and businesses really easy! Not!!
So they are widening the pavements in North Street. Ooh lots more room for the cyclists then. Maybe if they cycle fast enough down them they can push all the pedestrians off the pavements and into the path of buses so there are no more pedestrians on North St. They can keep it all to themselves in the same way that all other roads in Brighton and Hove gone in their favour. By the way, no mention of car and commercial vehicle drivers who have not been able to use North St for years and now cannot go down Ship St either. Makes delivering products to shops and businesses really easy! Not!! Max Ripple
  • Score: 27

9:45am Mon 14 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -16

9:54am Mon 14 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything. gheese77
  • Score: -34

10:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

voiceofthescoombe says...

North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important. voiceofthescoombe
  • Score: 5

10:12am Mon 14 Jul 14

SonnyJim55 says...

gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Now you are an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Now you are an idiot. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 10

10:13am Mon 14 Jul 14

Rule-No.5 says...

On occasions I cycle up North Street although I do my best to avoid it. Pot holes from heavy vehicles & the amount of traffic make the road dangerous for cycling. I don't think anything can be changed to improve this for cycling.

Using the seafront cycle path heading west is my preferred option. The major problem at the moment being there is a gap between Grand Parade and the seafront which encourages you to cut up North Street. This 'gap' is fairly horrendous for cycling ending with the Palace Pier roundabout - an accident hotspot. If they could connect a safe cycle way from Grand Parade to the seafront I'd be happy with the changes to North Road (& would feel as a cyclist no need to ever use North Road).

On another note:
1) I never jump red lights and get tired of the tirade of abuse generalised towards cyclists as a whole. I stick to the rules of the road always..., which is a lot more than can be said about the taxi drivers in Brighton & Hove
2) general taxation pays for the upkeep of our roads not some special imaginary car tax. Cyclists pay as much into general taxation as drivers.
3) Maxwell's Ghost - I'm afraid I don't agree that the changes to Lewes Road have only benefitted buses. Most of Lewes Road is now brilliant for cyclist (the Vogue Giratory being an obvious exception).
4) Paul6319 - are you sure you are a 'Professional Cyclist'? You have a contract and are paid to do an intense high level of training most days of the week?! ...and in your spare time you drive a bus for B&H? Who do you have a pro contract with? I'd love to get some advice from you about a pro career.
On occasions I cycle up North Street although I do my best to avoid it. Pot holes from heavy vehicles & the amount of traffic make the road dangerous for cycling. I don't think anything can be changed to improve this for cycling. Using the seafront cycle path heading west is my preferred option. The major problem at the moment being there is a gap between Grand Parade and the seafront which encourages you to cut up North Street. This 'gap' is fairly horrendous for cycling ending with the Palace Pier roundabout - an accident hotspot. If they could connect a safe cycle way from Grand Parade to the seafront I'd be happy with the changes to North Road (& would feel as a cyclist no need to ever use North Road). On another note: 1) I never jump red lights and get tired of the tirade of abuse generalised towards cyclists as a whole. I stick to the rules of the road always..., which is a lot more than can be said about the taxi drivers in Brighton & Hove 2) general taxation pays for the upkeep of our roads not some special imaginary car tax. Cyclists pay as much into general taxation as drivers. 3) Maxwell's Ghost - I'm afraid I don't agree that the changes to Lewes Road have only benefitted buses. Most of Lewes Road is now brilliant for cyclist (the Vogue Giratory being an obvious exception). 4) Paul6319 - are you sure you are a 'Professional Cyclist'? You have a contract and are paid to do an intense high level of training most days of the week?! ...and in your spare time you drive a bus for B&H? Who do you have a pro contract with? I'd love to get some advice from you about a pro career. Rule-No.5
  • Score: -7

10:14am Mon 14 Jul 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Becky and her cycling friends can go and use the cycle lanes on the sea front instead of clogging up North Street.

Most other road users have been banned from North Street for years, with no improvements on alternative routes. We are sick of the selfish demands from this pressure group, who have most of the main roads in the city spoiled on their behalf.
Becky and her cycling friends can go and use the cycle lanes on the sea front instead of clogging up North Street. Most other road users have been banned from North Street for years, with no improvements on alternative routes. We are sick of the selfish demands from this pressure group, who have most of the main roads in the city spoiled on their behalf. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 24

10:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

".cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............"

Yeah, 'cos it really worked with car drivers, didn't it?

*shakes head*
".cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............" Yeah, 'cos it really worked with car drivers, didn't it? *shakes head* stevo!!
  • Score: -14

11:29am Mon 14 Jul 14

billy goat-gruff says...

North Street is one of the most polluted roads in Brighton, it's time central Brighton became traffic free, or at least shared space, as in New Road. Other cities manage it, why not us?...
North Street is one of the most polluted roads in Brighton, it's time central Brighton became traffic free, or at least shared space, as in New Road. Other cities manage it, why not us?... billy goat-gruff
  • Score: 12

11:32am Mon 14 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
roads and pavements.........I have been run into several times by cyclists riding on a pavement....a place for pedestrians to walk on...it is about time the police grew a pair and started prosecuting these cyclists who ride on pavements, who iognore the highway code and who do not have a bell or lights on their bycycles.... on saturday a cyclist was riding along the road, he approached a pedestrian crossing, the light changed to red, meaning he should have stopped, he road onto the pavement at the crossing, nearly hitting me, he then went back onto the road....enough is enough
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]roads and pavements.........I have been run into several times by cyclists riding on a pavement....a place for pedestrians to walk on...it is about time the police grew a pair and started prosecuting these cyclists who ride on pavements, who iognore the highway code and who do not have a bell or lights on their bycycles.... on saturday a cyclist was riding along the road, he approached a pedestrian crossing, the light changed to red, meaning he should have stopped, he road onto the pavement at the crossing, nearly hitting me, he then went back onto the road....enough is enough cookie_brighton
  • Score: 22

11:40am Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel?

Palestine, now cycling.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel? Palestine, now cycling. stevo!!
  • Score: -12

11:41am Mon 14 Jul 14

ruberducker says...

gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
So when you idiots have a rtc...is your ambulance.and healthcare any cheaper.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]So when you idiots have a rtc...is your ambulance.and healthcare any cheaper. ruberducker
  • Score: 6

12:15pm Mon 14 Jul 14

r2dean2 says...

paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a

nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced.

Rules are rules, it works both ways....
[quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced. Rules are rules, it works both ways.... r2dean2
  • Score: 23

12:30pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Lady Smith says...

It wouldn't matter how much consultation went on, or how many more cycles lanes are introduced at great cost - they'd still cycle on the pavements...
It wouldn't matter how much consultation went on, or how many more cycles lanes are introduced at great cost - they'd still cycle on the pavements... Lady Smith
  • Score: 9

12:42pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fredaj says...

gheese77 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything.
Shooting fish in a barrel!
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything.[/p][/quote]Shooting fish in a barrel! fredaj
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fredaj says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
You are cycling in a shopping area and therefore need to take the erratic behaviour of distracted pedestrians into account.
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.[/p][/quote]You are cycling in a shopping area and therefore need to take the erratic behaviour of distracted pedestrians into account. fredaj
  • Score: 16

12:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Zorniza says...

“The North Street scheme is good news for pedestrians and bus users”
How selfish and how greedy. There are so many ways to get to a place by bike without pushing among the bus users on pavements in N street.

This woman should be sued for hate crime against pedestrians. She has never ever acknowledged that there are people other than cyclists in Brighton. She represents the blinkered cyclists who act as if the pedestrians are low life without any rights.

The only thing we pedestrians are without is a way to protect ourselves from potential collisions when going about our business on foot – the cyclists do not care, and there is nowhere to go once they are lose on the pavement or even in the street.

Yes, they usually miss you by an inch, charging by, but who wants to be intimidated in this way, looking over our shoulder, walking in fear.

I know of at least one decent cyclist who has given up using their bike and would have nothing to do with the cycling culture in Brighton, full of disgust about jumping red lights, no lights at night and generally irresponsible behaviour.

The cyclist cult is at its highest right now. I wonder if it will ever pass in my life-time.
“The North Street scheme is good news for pedestrians and bus users” How selfish and how greedy. There are so many ways to get to a place by bike without pushing among the bus users on pavements in N street. This woman should be sued for hate crime against pedestrians. She has never ever acknowledged that there are people other than cyclists in Brighton. She represents the blinkered cyclists who act as if the pedestrians are low life without any rights. The only thing we pedestrians are without is a way to protect ourselves from potential collisions when going about our business on foot – the cyclists do not care, and there is nowhere to go once they are lose on the pavement or even in the street. Yes, they usually miss you by an inch, charging by, but who wants to be intimidated in this way, looking over our shoulder, walking in fear. I know of at least one decent cyclist who has given up using their bike and would have nothing to do with the cycling culture in Brighton, full of disgust about jumping red lights, no lights at night and generally irresponsible behaviour. The cyclist cult is at its highest right now. I wonder if it will ever pass in my life-time. Zorniza
  • Score: 16

1:30pm Mon 14 Jul 14

FatherTed11 says...

Slam!
Slam! FatherTed11
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Now you are an idiot.
No I am correct and you are a fool
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Now you are an idiot.[/p][/quote]No I am correct and you are a fool gheese77
  • Score: -7

1:37pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

stevo!! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel?

Palestine, now cycling.
You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have !
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel? Palestine, now cycling.[/p][/quote]You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have ! gheese77
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

gheese77 wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel?

Palestine, now cycling.
You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have !
Feel free to discuss the contents of posts instead of merely posting abuse at the writers......IF you have the intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel? Palestine, now cycling.[/p][/quote]You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have ![/p][/quote]Feel free to discuss the contents of posts instead of merely posting abuse at the writers......IF you have the intelligence. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

1:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

A gem from gheese:

"There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's."

Funny how the current DVLA page states:

"Book your driving test or get a TAX disc online, find out the legal requirements for buying, owning, importing or scrapping a car or motorcycle, and read about your rights and responsibilities as a driver."
A gem from gheese: "There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's." Funny how the current DVLA page states: "Book your driving test or get a TAX disc online, find out the legal requirements for buying, owning, importing or scrapping a car or motorcycle, and read about your rights and responsibilities as a driver." stevo!!
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Steve Heenan says...

If cyclists can't ride in traffic they shouldn't be on the road. I nearly hit 2 as they came through a red light, straight in front of me, as I was turning right. I sounded my horn and the woman stuck her fingers up and swore at me. sorry I didn't kill you !
If cyclists can't ride in traffic they shouldn't be on the road. I nearly hit 2 as they came through a red light, straight in front of me, as I was turning right. I sounded my horn and the woman stuck her fingers up and swore at me. sorry I didn't kill you ! Steve Heenan
  • Score: 20

1:51pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

gheese77 wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel?

Palestine, now cycling.
You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have !
"Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything."

And what about those cyclists who don't drive? How can they be reducing the numbers of cars? It's like claiming that babies keep the numbers of cars down.

You're ignoring the fact (as usual) that each year, thousands of cyclists use the NHS as a result of their cycling. As has been pointed out, are their treatments cheaper than those for car drivers? No.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]Is there a topic, gheese, on which you don't post utter drivel? Palestine, now cycling.[/p][/quote]You on the other-hand manage to post some idiotic twaddle on just about every news article published here. What a great life you must have ![/p][/quote]"Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything." And what about those cyclists who don't drive? How can they be reducing the numbers of cars? It's like claiming that babies keep the numbers of cars down. You're ignoring the fact (as usual) that each year, thousands of cyclists use the NHS as a result of their cycling. As has been pointed out, are their treatments cheaper than those for car drivers? No. stevo!!
  • Score: 3

1:52pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

gheese77 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything.
Your comment is highly disingenuous. There is and always has been a tax on motoring, effectively a fee to use the road in addition to general taxation. If all cars became electric tomorrow, the tax disc on our cars would be calculated by the numbers of windows or wheels on the car or some such nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's..Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclist tax payer I resent the argument that I do not contribute to the upkeep of the road network. In fact as I pay much more tax than the average and I take up less room on the road I feel I am owed a rebate if anything.[/p][/quote]Your comment is highly disingenuous. There is and always has been a tax on motoring, effectively a fee to use the road in addition to general taxation. If all cars became electric tomorrow, the tax disc on our cars would be calculated by the numbers of windows or wheels on the car or some such nonsense. Plantpot
  • Score: 12

1:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

gheese77 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised.
Idiot.
You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.
But there are so few cyclists this is probably cobblers. And when cyclists fall off, how much do they cost the NHS then? Something like 40% of cycling accidents are down to cyclists failing to control their bikes.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Peppers is an idiot. I have a car and a motorbike and pay more than £300 a year for vehicle licences yet some days I am on my bike so he is benefitting from my two licensed vehicles being parked up. He should try walking around residential streets and seeing how many vehicles are unlicensed. He may be surprised. Idiot.[/p][/quote]You are correct. Also remember that apart from less cars on the road, in general, cyclists are also fitter and healthier than average and so cost the NHS less. It is cyclists that subsidize drivers if anything.[/p][/quote]But there are so few cyclists this is probably cobblers. And when cyclists fall off, how much do they cost the NHS then? Something like 40% of cycling accidents are down to cyclists failing to control their bikes. Plantpot
  • Score: 7

1:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Worthing Jim says...

stevo!! wrote:
A gem from gheese:

"There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's."

Funny how the current DVLA page states:

"Book your driving test or get a TAX disc online, find out the legal requirements for buying, owning, importing or scrapping a car or motorcycle, and read about your rights and responsibilities as a driver."
According to the Policy and External Communications Directorate, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), “There has been no direct relationship between vehicle tax and road expenditure since 1937.”

It was Winston Churchill, when Chancellor who brought roads into General Taxation as he feared the following:
"It will be only a step from this for to claim in a few years the moral ownership of the roads their contributions have created."

Motorists pay a duty on emissions, thus if you drive an electric car (or walk or cycle) you don't pay Vehicle Excise Duty.

Churchill was saying that no one particular group of people should claim to have total ownership of the public highways as that is not fair or equitable. Only idiots should claim otherwise. Like on this website.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: A gem from gheese: "There is no such thing as road tax, there hasn't been since the 1930's." Funny how the current DVLA page states: "Book your driving test or get a TAX disc online, find out the legal requirements for buying, owning, importing or scrapping a car or motorcycle, and read about your rights and responsibilities as a driver."[/p][/quote]According to the Policy and External Communications Directorate, Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), “There has been no direct relationship between vehicle tax and road expenditure since 1937.” It was Winston Churchill, when Chancellor who brought roads into General Taxation as he feared the following: "It will be only a step from this for [motorists] to claim in a few years the moral ownership of the roads their contributions have created." Motorists pay a duty on emissions, thus if you drive an electric car (or walk or cycle) you don't pay Vehicle Excise Duty. Churchill was saying that no one particular group of people should claim to have total ownership of the public highways as that is not fair or equitable. Only idiots should claim otherwise. Like on this website. Worthing Jim
  • Score: 13

1:57pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.[/p][/quote]Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings...... Plantpot
  • Score: 11

2:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

r2dean2 wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a


nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced.

Rules are rules, it works both ways....
There is no road tax, but whatever it's called there is always a tax for vehicles to use the roads. There will be when cars no longer use the internal combustion engine.

Bicycles don't generate CO2? Interesting. Have you considered the lifecycle, or the "dust-to-dust" cost of the bike and any paraphanalia associated with it?
[quote][p][bold]r2dean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced. Rules are rules, it works both ways....[/p][/quote]There is no road tax, but whatever it's called there is always a tax for vehicles to use the roads. There will be when cars no longer use the internal combustion engine. Bicycles don't generate CO2? Interesting. Have you considered the lifecycle, or the "dust-to-dust" cost of the bike and any paraphanalia associated with it? Plantpot
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Plantpot says...

Zorniza wrote:
“The North Street scheme is good news for pedestrians and bus users”
How selfish and how greedy. There are so many ways to get to a place by bike without pushing among the bus users on pavements in N street.

This woman should be sued for hate crime against pedestrians. She has never ever acknowledged that there are people other than cyclists in Brighton. She represents the blinkered cyclists who act as if the pedestrians are low life without any rights.

The only thing we pedestrians are without is a way to protect ourselves from potential collisions when going about our business on foot – the cyclists do not care, and there is nowhere to go once they are lose on the pavement or even in the street.

Yes, they usually miss you by an inch, charging by, but who wants to be intimidated in this way, looking over our shoulder, walking in fear.

I know of at least one decent cyclist who has given up using their bike and would have nothing to do with the cycling culture in Brighton, full of disgust about jumping red lights, no lights at night and generally irresponsible behaviour.

The cyclist cult is at its highest right now. I wonder if it will ever pass in my life-time.
I suspect the cycling cult in Brighton isn't really about cycling..... Like a lot of Brighton protests aren't necessarily about the thing they are protesting about.
[quote][p][bold]Zorniza[/bold] wrote: “The North Street scheme is good news for pedestrians and bus users” How selfish and how greedy. There are so many ways to get to a place by bike without pushing among the bus users on pavements in N street. This woman should be sued for hate crime against pedestrians. She has never ever acknowledged that there are people other than cyclists in Brighton. She represents the blinkered cyclists who act as if the pedestrians are low life without any rights. The only thing we pedestrians are without is a way to protect ourselves from potential collisions when going about our business on foot – the cyclists do not care, and there is nowhere to go once they are lose on the pavement or even in the street. Yes, they usually miss you by an inch, charging by, but who wants to be intimidated in this way, looking over our shoulder, walking in fear. I know of at least one decent cyclist who has given up using their bike and would have nothing to do with the cycling culture in Brighton, full of disgust about jumping red lights, no lights at night and generally irresponsible behaviour. The cyclist cult is at its highest right now. I wonder if it will ever pass in my life-time.[/p][/quote]I suspect the cycling cult in Brighton isn't really about cycling..... Like a lot of Brighton protests aren't necessarily about the thing they are protesting about. Plantpot
  • Score: 11

2:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Man of steel says...

The name of "Road Tax" was changed in the 1930s by Churchill, he did that in order to be able to use some of it for other purposes than building or improving roads.
It was renamed Vehicle Excise Duty, it was not stopped, suspended, withdrawn or even lowered, it was renamed so as to be able to be put into the general coffers.
I, and all vehicle owners have to pay the tax, or duty, if you prefer, in order to legally be on the road.
I also own a long wheel based land rover, and a couple of quad bikes, but as they are used on my farm, and are never driven on the roads, I do not have to tax them, therefore it is purely a road tax, no matter what you call it, and now being tied into the CO2 emission simply means that the larger the car and engine, the more you pay.
The name of "Road Tax" was changed in the 1930s by Churchill, he did that in order to be able to use some of it for other purposes than building or improving roads. It was renamed Vehicle Excise Duty, it was not stopped, suspended, withdrawn or even lowered, it was renamed so as to be able to be put into the general coffers. I, and all vehicle owners have to pay the tax, or duty, if you prefer, in order to legally be on the road. I also own a long wheel based land rover, and a couple of quad bikes, but as they are used on my farm, and are never driven on the roads, I do not have to tax them, therefore it is purely a road tax, no matter what you call it, and now being tied into the CO2 emission simply means that the larger the car and engine, the more you pay. Man of steel
  • Score: 9

3:01pm Mon 14 Jul 14

her professional says...

Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
For the thousandth time, you don't pay road tax, there's no such thing. Every taxpayer contributes to the upkeep of our roads.
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]For the thousandth time, you don't pay road tax, there's no such thing. Every taxpayer contributes to the upkeep of our roads. her professional
  • Score: -11

3:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

her professional says...

paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a

nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
How on earth does paying "road tax" and insurance get rid of idiots? No evidence of that on the roads at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]How on earth does paying "road tax" and insurance get rid of idiots? No evidence of that on the roads at the moment. her professional
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

her professional wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
For the thousandth time, you don't pay road tax, there's no such thing. Every taxpayer contributes to the upkeep of our roads.
We pay a tax in order to use the roads with certain vehicles.

People refer to it as a road tax because that is exactly what it originally was.

Oh, and has anyone claimed that it is collected in order to pay for road building/maintenance
?

It is a tax on placing your tyres upon the Queen's Highway.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]For the thousandth time, you don't pay road tax, there's no such thing. Every taxpayer contributes to the upkeep of our roads.[/p][/quote]We pay a tax in order to use the roads with certain vehicles. People refer to it as a road tax because that is exactly what it originally was. Oh, and has anyone claimed that it is collected in order to pay for road building/maintenance ? It is a tax on placing your tyres upon the Queen's Highway. stevo!!
  • Score: 6

3:30pm Mon 14 Jul 14

r2dean2 says...

Plantpot wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......
Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass..

Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!!

Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads.

I stop at red lights
Have working lights
Wear a helmet
Don't ride on pavements
Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride.

Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.[/p][/quote]Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......[/p][/quote]Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass.. Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!! Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads. I stop at red lights Have working lights Wear a helmet Don't ride on pavements Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride. Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same. r2dean2
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Good for you R2Dean2 and congratulations.

But sadly you belong to a tiny minority submerged in the mass of the self-righteous and arrogant cycling horde.
Good for you R2Dean2 and congratulations. But sadly you belong to a tiny minority submerged in the mass of the self-righteous and arrogant cycling horde. Martha Gunn
  • Score: 4

4:24pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Sompting Seagull says...

I cycle 25 miles a day in my commute to work and back home.
I am sick and tired of other cyclists jumping red lights, not wearing helmets, not using lights at night and my personal bug bear; wearing earphones whilst cycling - it is not like driving a car with the stereo on.

I am also sick and tired of the bad motorists I see, both when I am cycling and driving my car. There are as many bad motorists as there are cyclists.

What I do know is that I wear a helmet, use lights, wear brightly coloured clothes, pay my taxes towards road and cycle path maintenance, do not run red lights and have insurance whilst cycling.
I will not stop cycling as it is good for me, for the environment and I enjoy it.
But I do get wound up by all road users that do not deserve to be anywhere near a vehicle.
I cycle 25 miles a day in my commute to work and back home. I am sick and tired of other cyclists jumping red lights, not wearing helmets, not using lights at night and my personal bug bear; wearing earphones whilst cycling - it is not like driving a car with the stereo on. I am also sick and tired of the bad motorists I see, both when I am cycling and driving my car. There are as many bad motorists as there are cyclists. What I do know is that I wear a helmet, use lights, wear brightly coloured clothes, pay my taxes towards road and cycle path maintenance, do not run red lights and have insurance whilst cycling. I will not stop cycling as it is good for me, for the environment and I enjoy it. But I do get wound up by all road users that do not deserve to be anywhere near a vehicle. Sompting Seagull
  • Score: 17

5:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I agree with you Sompting Seagull. The cops should fine those cyclists on pavements, without lights and those who run red lights. The same with drivers.
They are probably the same types of people. I do a lot of motorway driving and the number of people fiddling with mobile phones is shocking.
No wonder more people are investing in dashboard cameras to catch people causing dangers and accidents.
I agree with you Sompting Seagull. The cops should fine those cyclists on pavements, without lights and those who run red lights. The same with drivers. They are probably the same types of people. I do a lot of motorway driving and the number of people fiddling with mobile phones is shocking. No wonder more people are investing in dashboard cameras to catch people causing dangers and accidents. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 12

5:39pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I agree with you Sompting Seagull. The cops should fine those cyclists on pavements, without lights and those who run red lights. The same with drivers.
They are probably the same types of people. I do a lot of motorway driving and the number of people fiddling with mobile phones is shocking.
No wonder more people are investing in dashboard cameras to catch people causing dangers and accidents.
When was the last time you saw a Brighton or Hove copper giving a cyclist a ticket, like they do in London?

The fact is that punishing cyclists is so low on Green priorities that they can basically do as they please.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I agree with you Sompting Seagull. The cops should fine those cyclists on pavements, without lights and those who run red lights. The same with drivers. They are probably the same types of people. I do a lot of motorway driving and the number of people fiddling with mobile phones is shocking. No wonder more people are investing in dashboard cameras to catch people causing dangers and accidents.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you saw a Brighton or Hove copper giving a cyclist a ticket, like they do in London? The fact is that punishing cyclists is so low on Green priorities that they can basically do as they please. stevo!!
  • Score: 7

6:21pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

From a safety aspect, North Street is totally inappropriate for cyclists as it is too narrow and used by too many buses. Cycling campaigners should use a bit of common sense and come up with an alternative route for cyclists rather than their dogmatic opinion that buses, cars and pedestrians should ALWAYS take second place to cycles.
From a safety aspect, North Street is totally inappropriate for cyclists as it is too narrow and used by too many buses. Cycling campaigners should use a bit of common sense and come up with an alternative route for cyclists rather than their dogmatic opinion that buses, cars and pedestrians should ALWAYS take second place to cycles. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 11

6:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a

nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
[quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -4

7:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a


nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fredaj says...

r2dean2 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......
Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass..

Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!!

Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads.

I stop at red lights
Have working lights
Wear a helmet
Don't ride on pavements
Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride.

Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same.
Listening through ear or head phones is most certainly not the same as listening to a broadcast into space as ear phones cut out all background noise including horns and shouts.

Cyclists who cycle with plugs in their ears are idiots with a death wish, plain and simple, and a danger to other users of the street.
[quote][p][bold]r2dean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.[/p][/quote]Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......[/p][/quote]Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass.. Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!! Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads. I stop at red lights Have working lights Wear a helmet Don't ride on pavements Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride. Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same.[/p][/quote]Listening through ear or head phones is most certainly not the same as listening to a broadcast into space as ear phones cut out all background noise including horns and shouts. Cyclists who cycle with plugs in their ears are idiots with a death wish, plain and simple, and a danger to other users of the street. fredaj
  • Score: 8

7:33pm Mon 14 Jul 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a



nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!! HJarrs
  • Score: -12

7:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a




nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
Stevo!! arguing with HJARRS oh my god you couldn't make it up.
It's like two flies arguing over a pile of pooh. Doesn't matter who wins cos the best they can do is win a pile of pooh.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!![/p][/quote]Stevo!! arguing with HJARRS oh my god you couldn't make it up. It's like two flies arguing over a pile of pooh. Doesn't matter who wins cos the best they can do is win a pile of pooh. JHunty
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

r2dean2 says...

fredaj wrote:
r2dean2 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking.
Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.
Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......
Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass..

Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!!

Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads.

I stop at red lights
Have working lights
Wear a helmet
Don't ride on pavements
Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride.

Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same.
Listening through ear or head phones is most certainly not the same as listening to a broadcast into space as ear phones cut out all background noise including horns and shouts.

Cyclists who cycle with plugs in their ears are idiots with a death wish, plain and simple, and a danger to other users of the street.
Your talking out your back door mate, my.earphones are at a level that I.can hear what's around me, I'm probably more aware of.what's going on.around me than you are I'm your.motor. Fact!!! Most cyclists are, we have to be. I don't have a death wish, I do.want to enjoy ride and listening to music via the radio or music player on my phone the same as you do when you drive isn't against the law. It's the **** that walk out in front of you whist chatting on a mobile phone not even looking your way, or dare I say it car drivers using a hand held device whist driving. There the ones with a death wish as far as I'm concerned. Trouble is they will end up taking others out with them.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]r2dean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: North street is unplesant to cycle down mostly because people walk out in front of you without looking. Ok you might not see my stealthy bike what with a stupid fluro sam belt bright red helmet fluro ankle straps but surely you'd see the bloody great bus behind me and ringing my bell. But headphones and fiddaling with a phone seems more important.[/p][/quote]Plenty of cyclists use headphones while cycling. I assume they think it's cool? Plenty of cyclists on the seafront ignore the cycle lane markings......[/p][/quote]Don't you use a car stereo when driving? It's the same as having earphones in, I use earphones on my bike and I'm always aware of.what's around me when I'm.on.my bike. I found when I was driving a car I was.less.aware of what's going on.around me due to being in a cocoon of metal and glass.. Every one seems to just blame the cyclist for all the proplems on the roads these days. What about today's story of Britain's oldest drink.driver caught in Sussex who is unrepentant about her actions. Or was it a cyclist that drove her to drink!!! Guys get a life and agrip on what's going on, so you pay excise duty on your cars that course half the damage to the treads, big deal, doesn't mean you own the blooming roads dose it!!! Roads are maintained by the local.authority from.money collected from council tax, I.pay my council tax, so learn to share the flipping roads. I stop at red lights Have working lights Wear a helmet Don't ride on pavements Covered with 3rd party liability insurance when I ride. Some of us are responsible you know, don't judge us all the same.[/p][/quote]Listening through ear or head phones is most certainly not the same as listening to a broadcast into space as ear phones cut out all background noise including horns and shouts. Cyclists who cycle with plugs in their ears are idiots with a death wish, plain and simple, and a danger to other users of the street.[/p][/quote]Your talking out your back door mate, my.earphones are at a level that I.can hear what's around me, I'm probably more aware of.what's going on.around me than you are I'm your.motor. Fact!!! Most cyclists are, we have to be. I don't have a death wish, I do.want to enjoy ride and listening to music via the radio or music player on my phone the same as you do when you drive isn't against the law. It's the **** that walk out in front of you whist chatting on a mobile phone not even looking your way, or dare I say it car drivers using a hand held device whist driving. There the ones with a death wish as far as I'm concerned. Trouble is they will end up taking others out with them. r2dean2
  • Score: -5

8:00pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

JHunty wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a





nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
Stevo!! arguing with HJARRS oh my god you couldn't make it up.
It's like two flies arguing over a pile of pooh. Doesn't matter who wins cos the best they can do is win a pile of pooh.
If you can't discuss their posts, aren't you showing that you're the one with problems?

I regularly point out what drivel you're posting, and you can't handle that.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!![/p][/quote]Stevo!! arguing with HJARRS oh my god you couldn't make it up. It's like two flies arguing over a pile of pooh. Doesn't matter who wins cos the best they can do is win a pile of pooh.[/p][/quote]If you can't discuss their posts, aren't you showing that you're the one with problems? I regularly point out what drivel you're posting, and you can't handle that. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a




nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
What 'digging'?

I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct.

I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!![/p][/quote]What 'digging'? I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct. I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

8:10pm Mon 14 Jul 14

HJarrs says...

stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a





nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
What 'digging'?

I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct.

I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road.
And how do to pay £0.00p?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!![/p][/quote]What 'digging'? I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct. I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road.[/p][/quote]And how do to pay £0.00p? HJarrs
  • Score: -5

8:28pm Mon 14 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a






nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.
It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.
A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!

Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users.

Keep digging Stevo!!
What 'digging'?

I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct.

I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road.
And how do to pay £0.00p?
I wasn't the one who made the claim that £0.00 was payable on something.

The person who wrote:

"A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!"


was YOU!

You've been reduced to arguing with yourself, lol.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]No one pays road tax, vehicles pay excise duty on the emissions, which is why electric cars and cycles pay nothing. p.s I agree with everything else though.[/p][/quote]It's still a tax on those who wish to use the roads, regardless of whether payment is graded according to emissions.[/p][/quote]A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill! Road construction and maintenance comes from general taxation of which VED is part. Not being a car owner, I still contribute through income, council and value added taxes. I pay an effective voluntary tax to a charity called SUSTRANS as the amount of money spent on cycling infrastructure from tax in the UK is embarrassingly miniscule. The vast majority of tax spent is to the benefit a car users. Keep digging Stevo!![/p][/quote]What 'digging'? I made a factually-accurate comment on road tax that YOU weren't able to correct. I've posted a link from the DVLA to help all those who don't think we pay a tax to allow our vehicles to use the road.[/p][/quote]And how do to pay £0.00p?[/p][/quote]I wasn't the one who made the claim that £0.00 was payable on something. The person who wrote: "A "tax" of £0.00p for lower emissions cars then. Hmmm. Guess how much VED cyclists would pay? Send me the bill!" was YOU! You've been reduced to arguing with yourself, lol. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

9:52pm Mon 14 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

This is a sad day for the cyclists but for once pedestrians and bus-users are having more consideration spent on there safety over the cyclists and they dote like it TIFF.

“But cycling campaigners say the changes have nothing for them - consider the impact on cyclists”

Are yes but what about the impact on pedestrians and bus-users who have to put up with cyclists on the pavement or them cutting through red lights or what about passengers on the bus that has to slam its brakes on because a cyclists cuts in front of a bus ever consider the many elderly passengers and pedestrians who are run down by cyclists riding without duo care and attention a Becky!

Becky Reynolds you are a cyclists and like so many of them you believe every cyclists safety comes before anyone ells so tell use Becky Reynolds why is it most cyclists dote know or totally disregard the road traffic laws to suit there own goals of getting around the city and why after all this time are there more cyclists using the pavement on the Lewes Rd now you have the Cycling Lain.
This is a sad day for the cyclists but for once pedestrians and bus-users are having more consideration spent on there safety over the cyclists and they dote like it TIFF. “But cycling campaigners say the changes have nothing for them - consider the impact on cyclists” Are yes but what about the impact on pedestrians and bus-users who have to put up with cyclists on the pavement or them cutting through red lights or what about passengers on the bus that has to slam its brakes on because a cyclists cuts in front of a bus ever consider the many elderly passengers and pedestrians who are run down by cyclists riding without duo care and attention a Becky! Becky Reynolds you are a cyclists and like so many of them you believe every cyclists safety comes before anyone ells so tell use Becky Reynolds why is it most cyclists dote know or totally disregard the road traffic laws to suit there own goals of getting around the city and why after all this time are there more cyclists using the pavement on the Lewes Rd now you have the Cycling Lain. wippasnapper
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Mon 14 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

"Becky Reynolds (pictured)"

Where? I can see the back end of a bus in the distance however...
"Becky Reynolds (pictured)" Where? I can see the back end of a bus in the distance however... ghost bus driver
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

lindaf wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.
I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers.
In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists!
You've got my vote!!!
Mine too. Could you also add "shoot Mr Chocolate bar with a supersoaker filled with his own diarrohea?" for ever. And that Reynolds woman as well.
[quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: Becky Reynolds'There is nothing for cyclists'. Do you want to take over every road in this town. The cycling community have been pandered to by these green clowns. Every main road destroyed by cycle lanes. Edward Street soon to be another and a 2 metre wide lane causing havoc just starting at the Vogue Gyratory. For gods sake the road down their is only 4 metres wide as it stands so half of it now dedicated to our non road tax paying friends. If you dont feel safe riding your trike down North St dont go there.The sooner a law comes in to start charging these cyclists a bit of road tax to fund all these changes the better. Rant Over.[/p][/quote]I agree wholeheartedly. Sick and tired of hearing about these cyclists, they are getting almost as tiresome as the travellers. In fact I am so fed up I am thinking of standing next year for the council, I will be running on a mandate of fewer cyclists, no travellers, no more restriction on cars, cheaper parking, no green councillors, no green supporters, no more roadworks lasting for the whole of the summer months, no more cyclists, no more greens, no travellers, no more cyclists, no more greens...I think I have made my point. Oh and no more greens and cyclists![/p][/quote]You've got my vote!!![/p][/quote]Mine too. Could you also add "shoot Mr Chocolate bar with a supersoaker filled with his own diarrohea?" for ever. And that Reynolds woman as well. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 3

10:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

And H jarrs
And H jarrs ghost bus driver
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Jetsamandflotsam says...

How can the RBS, a bank owned by us afford this?
How can our RBS be getting so involved in city planning?
My smell a rat alarm is going off…..loudly.
How can the RBS, a bank owned by us afford this? How can our RBS be getting so involved in city planning? My smell a rat alarm is going off…..loudly. Jetsamandflotsam
  • Score: 2

10:27pm Mon 14 Jul 14

ghost bus driver says...

r2dean2 wrote:
paul6391 wrote:
I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a


nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............
Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced.

Rules are rules, it works both ways....
Yeah I'd agree with this. Being sensible about things helps everyone.
[quote][p][bold]r2dean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: I'm a professional cyclist..and wait for it...........a bus driver, these cyclists we get going up/down north street..and western road are nothing short of dumb...ignorant....a nd have no common sense at all, only had one last week who went thru a red light and only just missed my bus by millimetres.. i welcome the changes to north street....cyclists should be made to pay insurance and road tax....that will get rid of the idiots we have to deal with day in day out............[/p][/quote]Road tax doesn't exist anymore, so if your still paying road tax I suggest you apply for a rebate, it's all to do with CO'2 emissions now. A cycle is CO'2 emission free, hence no fee needed to be paid. I am a professional cyclists and I obey the laws of the road believe it or not. I gets right up.nose when fellow cyclist don't stop at red lights.or ride on the pavement buy don't flipping judge us the same. There are some very bad bus drivers out there that seem.to go out there way to run.me into the kerb at times in there bendy buses down Lewes road, but I don't judge all bus drivers the same, if I did I wouldn't ride again. Live and let live man. The one thing I do agree with is insurance being paid by cyclists and helmets being law and lights at night enforced. Rules are rules, it works both ways....[/p][/quote]Yeah I'd agree with this. Being sensible about things helps everyone. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 1

10:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Gribbet says...

All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.
All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size. Gribbet
  • Score: 1

8:03am Tue 15 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

Gribbet wrote:
All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.
Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.[/p][/quote]Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice. wippasnapper
  • Score: 1

8:51am Tue 15 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

Whatever changes are made, cyclists will still happily ride along the pavement, often at great speed. They frequently ignore the expensive cycle tracks (like Old shoreham Road), as well as traffic lights, so it won't make any difference whatever plans go ahead for North Street. It is time some thought was given to pedestrians who have had to put up with this appalling behaviour for far too long.
Whatever changes are made, cyclists will still happily ride along the pavement, often at great speed. They frequently ignore the expensive cycle tracks (like Old shoreham Road), as well as traffic lights, so it won't make any difference whatever plans go ahead for North Street. It is time some thought was given to pedestrians who have had to put up with this appalling behaviour for far too long. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 2

11:04am Tue 15 Jul 14

amsterdamfixie says...

This is so fun to read,

there is no reason for a person who rides a bike or a cyclist should pay road tax, the bike including myself weights about 80 kilos about the same as the 2- 3 wheels of your car, i don't create emissions and i don't cause any damage to the road,

the size of your car means you pay a certain tax if you choose to own the biggest cars with the biggest engines then you should pay, if you are only traveling around the city then there is no real reason to have one, most of the time you don't even get out of second gear and the only reason you drive it is to look cool (you don't by a Auldi/land rover /Mercedes to do you 10 mile journey a day cause it is efficient) and if half the general people were not so lazy and did a bit of walking and not goin by car would reduce the amount on the road.

After living and riding in Amsterdam for the last years, and having to deal with Bus, Tram, Taxi, Pedestrians, small cars, scooters of diffrent speeds, other cyclists oh and lets not forget the tourist, i think Brighton is pretty easy people just need to give a little more respect to each other. there is clearly enough space for a car bike and bus to share.

Traffic lights should have cyclist light on there that gives a 2 second lead to bikes so its not such a cluster when everyone pulls off.

people need to be more educated instead of pointing the finger every time.

cyclists should be fined for jumping lights but they cant be fined if know one sees them do it? (what happened to CSO's)

why are the police not out on bikes in Brighton city center would it not be easier for them and they can set a example when riding around
This is so fun to read, there is no reason for a person who rides a bike or a cyclist should pay road tax, the bike including myself weights about 80 kilos about the same as the 2- 3 wheels of your car, i don't create emissions and i don't cause any damage to the road, the size of your car means you pay a certain tax if you choose to own the biggest cars with the biggest engines then you should pay, if you are only traveling around the city then there is no real reason to have one, most of the time you don't even get out of second gear and the only reason you drive it is to look cool (you don't by a Auldi/land rover /Mercedes to do you 10 mile journey a day cause it is efficient) and if half the general people were not so lazy and did a bit of walking and not goin by car would reduce the amount on the road. After living and riding in Amsterdam for the last years, and having to deal with Bus, Tram, Taxi, Pedestrians, small cars, scooters of diffrent speeds, other cyclists oh and lets not forget the tourist, i think Brighton is pretty easy people just need to give a little more respect to each other. there is clearly enough space for a car bike and bus to share. Traffic lights should have cyclist light on there that gives a 2 second lead to bikes so its not such a cluster when everyone pulls off. people need to be more educated instead of pointing the finger every time. cyclists should be fined for jumping lights but they cant be fined if know one sees them do it? (what happened to CSO's) why are the police not out on bikes in Brighton city center would it not be easier for them and they can set a example when riding around amsterdamfixie
  • Score: -1

11:22am Tue 15 Jul 14

Man With No Name says...

If I had a fiver for every time a cyclist crosses lanes in front of me without looking, or at best signals and then moves out instantly without checking it's safe, I could give up work and driving about the city centre during the day... It truly astounds me how stupid/arrogant/unsa
fe they often are (I'm an ex comparative cyclist by the way before you assume I'm anti bike)
If I had a fiver for every time a cyclist crosses lanes in front of me without looking, or at best signals and then moves out instantly without checking it's safe, I could give up work and driving about the city centre during the day... It truly astounds me how stupid/arrogant/unsa fe they often are (I'm an ex comparative cyclist by the way before you assume I'm anti bike) Man With No Name
  • Score: 1

11:23am Tue 15 Jul 14

Man With No Name says...

*competitive not comparative
*competitive not comparative Man With No Name
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Man of steel says...

amsterdamfixie, how many cyclists have you seen riding on the pavement, or in pedestrian precincts in Amsterdam? I have only ever seen one, and he was very quickly stopped and received an on the spot fine, about the equivelent of £80 at the time.
There is no need for it over there, and neither is there in Brighton.
amsterdamfixie, how many cyclists have you seen riding on the pavement, or in pedestrian precincts in Amsterdam? I have only ever seen one, and he was very quickly stopped and received an on the spot fine, about the equivelent of £80 at the time. There is no need for it over there, and neither is there in Brighton. Man of steel
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Worthing Jim says...

Man of steel wrote:
amsterdamfixie, how many cyclists have you seen riding on the pavement, or in pedestrian precincts in Amsterdam? I have only ever seen one, and he was very quickly stopped and received an on the spot fine, about the equivelent of £80 at the time.
There is no need for it over there, and neither is there in Brighton.
They don't because cycling conditions have been made safe and pleasant through decent infrastructure (that also benefits wheelchair users and mobility scooters creating greater transport equality) whilst heavily restricting private car use and loading times in the heart of the city. And they're not stopping. I've ridden around Amsterdam and found it an utter joy. But then again, they didn't develop a weird amnesia about how how their grandparents got about and inexplicable hatred towards the bicycle like over here, now regarded as something for Centre Parcs and spectacularly misunderstood. And it could so easily have gone the horribly the other way for them in the 1960's & 70's. Like here.
[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote: amsterdamfixie, how many cyclists have you seen riding on the pavement, or in pedestrian precincts in Amsterdam? I have only ever seen one, and he was very quickly stopped and received an on the spot fine, about the equivelent of £80 at the time. There is no need for it over there, and neither is there in Brighton.[/p][/quote]They don't because cycling conditions have been made safe and pleasant through decent infrastructure (that also benefits wheelchair users and mobility scooters creating greater transport equality) whilst heavily restricting private car use and loading times in the heart of the city. And they're not stopping. I've ridden around Amsterdam and found it an utter joy. But then again, they didn't develop a weird amnesia about how how their grandparents got about and inexplicable hatred towards the bicycle like over here, now regarded as something for Centre Parcs and spectacularly misunderstood. And it could so easily have gone the horribly the other way for them in the 1960's & 70's. Like here. Worthing Jim
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Tue 15 Jul 14

76robmac says...

Cyclist tough!
Cyclist tough! 76robmac
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Tue 15 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Becky Reynolds (pictured), of Brighton and Hove cycle campaign .."

The perils of lifting copy from the newspaper.

No, she isn't pictured online....
"Becky Reynolds (pictured), of Brighton and Hove cycle campaign .." The perils of lifting copy from the newspaper. No, she isn't pictured online.... stevo!!
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Gribbet says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.
Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice.
Brilliant post and everything you say makes total sense. I also forgot to add that if car drivers have to wait until their 17 years old before they can drive, then it's only fair that all cyclists should have the same law applied by law and all children should be banned from riding bicycles until they're at least 17 years old. There are plenty of other activities for children to do, there is no need for children to be riding bikes, even if it's just in the park where they are a general nuisance and a danger to hardworking motorists that just want to let their dogs run around freely after a hard and honest day of working and paying the taxes that keep this country afloat for the greater good of everyone in society.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.[/p][/quote]Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post and everything you say makes total sense. I also forgot to add that if car drivers have to wait until their 17 years old before they can drive, then it's only fair that all cyclists should have the same law applied by law and all children should be banned from riding bicycles until they're at least 17 years old. There are plenty of other activities for children to do, there is no need for children to be riding bikes, even if it's just in the park where they are a general nuisance and a danger to hardworking motorists that just want to let their dogs run around freely after a hard and honest day of working and paying the taxes that keep this country afloat for the greater good of everyone in society. Gribbet
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

melee says...

Do cyclists actually need to ride up and down North Street? If you are going there to do shopping you wouldn't drag the bike around with you any more than you would expect to drive your car from shop to shop surely? You'd park/chain it up somewhere and walk to the shops. And if you aren't shopping but passing through why not go along the seafront? Unless you like cycling up a steep hill for the sake of it!
Do cyclists actually need to ride up and down North Street? If you are going there to do shopping you wouldn't drag the bike around with you any more than you would expect to drive your car from shop to shop surely? You'd park/chain it up somewhere and walk to the shops. And if you aren't shopping but passing through why not go along the seafront? Unless you like cycling up a steep hill for the sake of it! melee
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

Gribbet wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.
Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice.
Brilliant post and everything you say makes total sense. I also forgot to add that if car drivers have to wait until their 17 years old before they can drive, then it's only fair that all cyclists should have the same law applied by law and all children should be banned from riding bicycles until they're at least 17 years old. There are plenty of other activities for children to do, there is no need for children to be riding bikes, even if it's just in the park where they are a general nuisance and a danger to hardworking motorists that just want to let their dogs run around freely after a hard and honest day of working and paying the taxes that keep this country afloat for the greater good of everyone in society.
But it this way anybody that uses a class 3 mobility scooter/ power chair has to be registered with the DVLA and has to display a tax disc plus your scooter/chair has to have lights F/B direction indicators and mirrors the only compulsory item for cyclists is the lights so I personally feel it is time that all cyclists that use the roads should have some sort of identification plate so anyone harassed or knocked down can identify and report them secondly it should be compulsory that all cyclists have to have a crash-helmet-mirror or mirror on there bicycles o’ and wile where at it a road worthy bicycle as just of late what I’ve seen are far from road worthy bulled tyres back wheel doing the gig I even see one the other day that had no brakes and just today as I was crossing the London Rd by Boots a cyclists who came from the right of me through a red light almost went head over heals luckily it was not my scooter that court him out it was the self built trailer I was towing lol you would have cracked up laughing as to children riding bicycles most I have come across appear to have more common sense compeered to the older cyclists let alone the dam Students go to or from the University who seem to thing the roads where made for them.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: All cyclists including small children should be made by law to pay for insurance and MOT every year and have license plates front and back. They should also be made by law to have 4 wheels on the bike instead of 2 and have a combustion engine fitted by law to the bike to make sure that they create enough harmful emissions to mean they would then have to pay yearly Vehicle Excise Duty aka 'Road Tax' to contribute, just like the hard-working car driving heroes of our society do. It should also be made illegal for any road-going vehicle to be smaller than 3m x 2m in size.[/p][/quote]Did you know it is a legal requirement that they ride with lights and that they obey the road traffic law’s i.e. traffic light/give way junctions/signaling ET. ET and that it is a criminal offence to ride a bicyclical upon a pavement/footpath unless otherwise stated and did you also know cyclists can and have been able to buy a crash-helmet-mirror for some time to witch I think should be made compulsory but with all law’s if not enforced by the police nothing will ever change I.E. the police do nothing to stop them braking the law and with all this talk in the peppers about mobility scooter users I think it only right that there should also be the same around cycling I.E. all class three mobility scooters/chars if used on the public highway MUST have mirror’s/lights F&B direction indicators & display a tax dice.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post and everything you say makes total sense. I also forgot to add that if car drivers have to wait until their 17 years old before they can drive, then it's only fair that all cyclists should have the same law applied by law and all children should be banned from riding bicycles until they're at least 17 years old. There are plenty of other activities for children to do, there is no need for children to be riding bikes, even if it's just in the park where they are a general nuisance and a danger to hardworking motorists that just want to let their dogs run around freely after a hard and honest day of working and paying the taxes that keep this country afloat for the greater good of everyone in society.[/p][/quote]But it this way anybody that uses a class 3 mobility scooter/ power chair has to be registered with the DVLA and has to display a tax disc plus your scooter/chair has to have lights F/B direction indicators and mirrors the only compulsory item for cyclists is the lights so I personally feel it is time that all cyclists that use the roads should have some sort of identification plate so anyone harassed or knocked down can identify and report them secondly it should be compulsory that all cyclists have to have a crash-helmet-mirror or mirror on there bicycles o’ and wile where at it a road worthy bicycle as just of late what I’ve seen are far from road worthy bulled tyres back wheel doing the gig I even see one the other day that had no brakes and just today as I was crossing the London Rd by Boots a cyclists who came from the right of me through a red light almost went head over heals luckily it was not my scooter that court him out it was the self built trailer I was towing lol you would have cracked up laughing as to children riding bicycles most I have come across appear to have more common sense compeered to the older cyclists let alone the dam Students go to or from the University who seem to thing the roads where made for them. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0
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