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Fine for Hailsham driver caught on video deliberately trying to intimidate cyclists on the A27 near Alfriston

The Argus: VIDEO: Driver who intimidated cyclists on A27 fined £1,000 VIDEO: Driver who intimidated cyclists on A27 fined £1,000

A motorist has been fined for intimidating a group of cyclists on the A27. 

Oliver McDonald was travelling eastbound on the A27 near Alfriston when he first clashed with a pair of cyclists who were riding side by side.

The 42-year-old sounded the horn of his silver BMW X3 and after one of the cyclists gestured at him, McDonald pulled in front of them and performed an emergency stop, forcing them to skid.

McDonald thought about confronting the cyclists but changed his mind and sped away. He found himself behind a third member of the group, who was about half a mile ahead of the others.

As he passed Berwick he overtook the cyclist at speed, just inches away from the handlebars. The incident, on July 3 2013, was captured on footage being recorded by the rider.

PC Nigel Dunn said: "Had the rider moved position in the road the BMW would have collided with the cyclist and undoubtedly caused fatal or at the very least life-changing injuries for the rider.

"McDonald deliberately tried to intimidate all three cyclists and could have left any one of them with very serious injuries.

"We will not tolerate any driving of this kind and would urge anyone who experiences it to report it. Don't get dragged into a confrontation with another road user, get in touch with us."

McDonald, of Station Road, Hailsham, was found guilty of careless driving by magistrates. He was fined £200, ordered to pay £650 costs and a £30 victim surcharge and had four points put on his licence.

If you see someone driving or riding antisocially, report it at www.operationcrackdown.co.uk or send a text to 85999.

If you think someone is driving dangerously, call 999 when it is safe to do so.

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1:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Notters_Seagull says...

Excellent news. Can't quite see what's happening on the video though?
Excellent news. Can't quite see what's happening on the video though? Notters_Seagull
  • Score: 25

1:58pm Thu 17 Jul 14

lindaf says...

The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day. lindaf
  • Score: -24

2:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Hooitness says...

So you can be a complete a-hole on a bike and get away with it?
So you can be a complete a-hole on a bike and get away with it? Hooitness
  • Score: -18

2:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

NickBrt says...

He should stick to cooking burgers.
He should stick to cooking burgers. NickBrt
  • Score: 9

2:10pm Thu 17 Jul 14

rolivan says...

£200 fine not £1000.
£200 fine not £1000. rolivan
  • Score: 18

2:11pm Thu 17 Jul 14

skylight says...

Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 !
Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 ! skylight
  • Score: 4

2:15pm Thu 17 Jul 14

monkeymoo says...

BMW driver.....
says it all really!
BMW driver..... says it all really! monkeymoo
  • Score: 29

2:21pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

skylight wrote:
Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 !
Why would you fine the cyclists? What laws were they breaking?
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 ![/p][/quote]Why would you fine the cyclists? What laws were they breaking? Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 26

2:30pm Thu 17 Jul 14

GreggWallace says...

skylight wrote:
Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 !
It's a grey area, there is nothing to state that it's illegal to cycle two abreast, in fact it is legal:

http://ukcyclelaws.b
logspot.co.uk/p/the-
laws-according-to-hi
ghway-code.html

However there is a caveat about not doing it on a busy road. The grey area is that as a cyclist as well as a motorist - I can understand that the safety aspect does help on such a busy road, but that on the A27 it could also be problematic.

It's a catch 22. The bottom line is we need to be courteous and alert to issues and the unexpected when driving and be a bit more compassionate to all road users.

Ultimately no one wants to have another's blood on their hands, we are all either someone's daughter, son, mother, father, sister, brother or whatever.

The actions of this motorist are not at all justifiable regardless of the vehicle being driven.
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 ![/p][/quote]It's a grey area, there is nothing to state that it's illegal to cycle two abreast, in fact it is legal: http://ukcyclelaws.b logspot.co.uk/p/the- laws-according-to-hi ghway-code.html However there is a caveat about not doing it on a busy road. The grey area is that as a cyclist as well as a motorist - I can understand that the safety aspect does help on such a busy road, but that on the A27 it could also be problematic. It's a catch 22. The bottom line is we need to be courteous and alert to issues and the unexpected when driving and be a bit more compassionate to all road users. Ultimately no one wants to have another's blood on their hands, we are all either someone's daughter, son, mother, father, sister, brother or whatever. The actions of this motorist are not at all justifiable regardless of the vehicle being driven. GreggWallace
  • Score: 48

2:31pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Frank28 says...

4 Penalty Points will add a nice wad to next year's insurance premium, as insurers will consider him a risk.
4 Penalty Points will add a nice wad to next year's insurance premium, as insurers will consider him a risk. Frank28
  • Score: 22

2:34pm Thu 17 Jul 14

thelastusernameinthebox says...

"Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day."

What is this weird remark actually supposed to mean?

Crack paratroopers equipped with folding bicycles are manning machine gun emplacements at roundabouts, declaiming Cyclist Touring Club meeting minutes through loud speakers and making steaming piles of ash out of anything that moves on four wheels?

Or:

Persons mounted on bicycles are using a road?
"Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day." What is this weird remark actually supposed to mean? Crack paratroopers equipped with folding bicycles are manning machine gun emplacements at roundabouts, declaiming Cyclist Touring Club meeting minutes through loud speakers and making steaming piles of ash out of anything that moves on four wheels? Or: Persons mounted on bicycles are using a road? thelastusernameinthebox
  • Score: 8

2:46pm Thu 17 Jul 14

BiggerH says...

4 points?? One gets three for just parking on zig-zags - total joke

Typical BMW driver - flash car/small k**b
4 points?? One gets three for just parking on zig-zags - total joke Typical BMW driver - flash car/small k**b BiggerH
  • Score: 12

2:52pm Thu 17 Jul 14

spa301 says...

What this driver did is unforgivable and he deserves all he got.
Surely deliberately cycling side by side on a busy road such as this is an incredibly dangerous thing to do for the cyclist, is it not, ? It may not be illegal but that would be little comfort to his family visiting in hospital or worse.
What this driver did is unforgivable and he deserves all he got. Surely deliberately cycling side by side on a busy road such as this is an incredibly dangerous thing to do for the cyclist, is it not, ? It may not be illegal but that would be little comfort to his family visiting in hospital or worse. spa301
  • Score: 15

2:57pm Thu 17 Jul 14

ecw says...

GreggWallace wrote:
skylight wrote:
Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 !
It's a grey area, there is nothing to state that it's illegal to cycle two abreast, in fact it is legal:

http://ukcyclelaws.b

logspot.co.uk/p/the-

laws-according-to-hi

ghway-code.html

However there is a caveat about not doing it on a busy road. The grey area is that as a cyclist as well as a motorist - I can understand that the safety aspect does help on such a busy road, but that on the A27 it could also be problematic.

It's a catch 22. The bottom line is we need to be courteous and alert to issues and the unexpected when driving and be a bit more compassionate to all road users.

Ultimately no one wants to have another's blood on their hands, we are all either someone's daughter, son, mother, father, sister, brother or whatever.

The actions of this motorist are not at all justifiable regardless of the vehicle being driven.
Good point - and to add to this, friends who cycle as part of a group are advised that it is preferable to cycle 2 abreast rather than a long line in single file so that over-taking cars are not pulling out into oncoming traffic for too long a period.
My mother who used to ride a motorbike was advised to ride in the middle of the carriage way, not too far to the left as it forces drivers to over take safely rather than squeezing past - the same I would think applies with cyclists, they are safer not tucked into the left,
[quote][p][bold]GreggWallace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Fine the diver ? Should have fined the cyclists, for riding side by side on the A27 ![/p][/quote]It's a grey area, there is nothing to state that it's illegal to cycle two abreast, in fact it is legal: http://ukcyclelaws.b logspot.co.uk/p/the- laws-according-to-hi ghway-code.html However there is a caveat about not doing it on a busy road. The grey area is that as a cyclist as well as a motorist - I can understand that the safety aspect does help on such a busy road, but that on the A27 it could also be problematic. It's a catch 22. The bottom line is we need to be courteous and alert to issues and the unexpected when driving and be a bit more compassionate to all road users. Ultimately no one wants to have another's blood on their hands, we are all either someone's daughter, son, mother, father, sister, brother or whatever. The actions of this motorist are not at all justifiable regardless of the vehicle being driven.[/p][/quote]Good point - and to add to this, friends who cycle as part of a group are advised that it is preferable to cycle 2 abreast rather than a long line in single file so that over-taking cars are not pulling out into oncoming traffic for too long a period. My mother who used to ride a motorbike was advised to ride in the middle of the carriage way, not too far to the left as it forces drivers to over take safely rather than squeezing past - the same I would think applies with cyclists, they are safer not tucked into the left, ecw
  • Score: 21

2:59pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

spa301 wrote:
What this driver did is unforgivable and he deserves all he got.
Surely deliberately cycling side by side on a busy road such as this is an incredibly dangerous thing to do for the cyclist, is it not, ? It may not be illegal but that would be little comfort to his family visiting in hospital or worse.
It's actually safer for cyclists to ride two abreast, as mentioned in this link http://ukcyclelaws.b
logspot.co.uk/p/the-
laws-according-to-hi
ghway-code.html?m=1. It means motorists are more aware of cyclists. Motorists have to over-take in the correct manner when passing cyclists riding two abreast, as opposed to staying in the same lane and not giving a single cyclist enough room. Note, in the video and article, the motorist endangered a cyclist riding on his own further up the road, and not the cyclists riding two abreast. Proves the point.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: What this driver did is unforgivable and he deserves all he got. Surely deliberately cycling side by side on a busy road such as this is an incredibly dangerous thing to do for the cyclist, is it not, ? It may not be illegal but that would be little comfort to his family visiting in hospital or worse.[/p][/quote]It's actually safer for cyclists to ride two abreast, as mentioned in this link http://ukcyclelaws.b logspot.co.uk/p/the- laws-according-to-hi ghway-code.html?m=1. It means motorists are more aware of cyclists. Motorists have to over-take in the correct manner when passing cyclists riding two abreast, as opposed to staying in the same lane and not giving a single cyclist enough room. Note, in the video and article, the motorist endangered a cyclist riding on his own further up the road, and not the cyclists riding two abreast. Proves the point. Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 13

2:59pm Thu 17 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?
What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ? chrismilo
  • Score: 28

3:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

LB says...

"What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?"

Cyclists really can't win. Ride on the road and a lot of motorists hate you and some try and kill them with 2 tons of metal. Take refuge on the pavement and they're intimidating pedestrians.

Riding on a footpath is an offence and is punished when people who do it get caught. Same as bloke above.

If there hadn't been video evidence we wouldn't be reading this story, I suspect.
"What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?" Cyclists really can't win. Ride on the road and a lot of motorists hate you and some try and kill them with 2 tons of metal. Take refuge on the pavement and they're intimidating pedestrians. Riding on a footpath is an offence and is punished when people who do it get caught. Same as bloke above. If there hadn't been video evidence we wouldn't be reading this story, I suspect. LB
  • Score: 13

3:05pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Notters_Seagull says...

chrismilo wrote:
What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?
Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist.

Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain.
[quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?[/p][/quote]Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist. Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain. Notters_Seagull
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Thu 17 Jul 14

whatsisname says...

Another day, another motorist versus cyclist article.. I cycle everywhere and am proud to say i'm responsible, but i have to say - the sheer amount of times irresponsible car/van/lorry/bus drivers have either nearly or actually knocked me off my bike is mad! Seems to be getting worse with the hot weather. If you look, lindaf, the madman in the X5 passes the innocent cyclist at breakneck speed with inches to spare and if you knew, which you probably are to ignorant to know, one little pothole/grit/coke can could put you off track 10 inches - fatality. I drive - sensibly - and i ride - sensibly.
Another day, another motorist versus cyclist article.. I cycle everywhere and am proud to say i'm responsible, but i have to say - the sheer amount of times irresponsible car/van/lorry/bus drivers have either nearly or actually knocked me off my bike is mad! Seems to be getting worse with the hot weather. If you look, lindaf, the madman in the X5 passes the innocent cyclist at breakneck speed with inches to spare and if you knew, which you probably are to ignorant to know, one little pothole/grit/coke can could put you off track 10 inches - fatality. I drive - sensibly - and i ride - sensibly. whatsisname
  • Score: 26

4:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

lindaf wrote:
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
More often a car driver than a cyclist myself, so i am not anti car, but that doesn't excuse in any way cowardice (in his 1.5 tonne projectile) of the stupid driver dicing with the lives of others. Plank.
[quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.[/p][/quote]More often a car driver than a cyclist myself, so i am not anti car, but that doesn't excuse in any way cowardice (in his 1.5 tonne projectile) of the stupid driver dicing with the lives of others. Plank. Withdean-er
  • Score: 21

4:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

chrismilo wrote:
Notters_Seagull wrote:
chrismilo wrote:
What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?
Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist.

Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain.
Fu-k off back to spain then !
Total muppet!!
[quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notters_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?[/p][/quote]Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist. Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain.[/p][/quote]Fu-k off back to spain then ![/p][/quote]Total muppet!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 6

4:08pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Hoarder12345444 says...

That guy is very lucky he wasn't it and must have been very scary. Absolutely awful driving. Glad he got done for it.
That guy is very lucky he wasn't it and must have been very scary. Absolutely awful driving. Glad he got done for it. Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 14

4:27pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

I note it is safer to cycle two abreast on roads so that cars pass in the correct manner.
I shall therefore make sure my wife and I walk two abreast in the cycle lanes in future. This will ensure cyclists pass us in a safe manner and I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement.
Everyone will be safe and happy.
I note it is safer to cycle two abreast on roads so that cars pass in the correct manner. I shall therefore make sure my wife and I walk two abreast in the cycle lanes in future. This will ensure cyclists pass us in a safe manner and I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement. Everyone will be safe and happy. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 4

4:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

chrismilo says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
I note it is safer to cycle two abreast on roads so that cars pass in the correct manner.
I shall therefore make sure my wife and I walk two abreast in the cycle lanes in future. This will ensure cyclists pass us in a safe manner and I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement.
Everyone will be safe and happy.
Nice one !
Stingers would be a way to stop those cyclists who cycle on pavements or the forbidden part of Brighton and Hove prom !
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: I note it is safer to cycle two abreast on roads so that cars pass in the correct manner. I shall therefore make sure my wife and I walk two abreast in the cycle lanes in future. This will ensure cyclists pass us in a safe manner and I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement. Everyone will be safe and happy.[/p][/quote]Nice one ! Stingers would be a way to stop those cyclists who cycle on pavements or the forbidden part of Brighton and Hove prom ! chrismilo
  • Score: -6

4:46pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

"I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement."

Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument?
"I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement." Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument? Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 8

4:59pm Thu 17 Jul 14

spa301 says...

Brightonscouse2 wrote:
"I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement."

Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument?
I guess he knows this by using his eyes. I use mine too and also see it all the time.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonscouse2[/bold] wrote: "I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement." Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument?[/p][/quote]I guess he knows this by using his eyes. I use mine too and also see it all the time. spa301
  • Score: -1

5:32pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

spa301 wrote:
Brightonscouse2 wrote:
"I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement."

Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument?
I guess he knows this by using his eyes. I use mine too and also see it all the time.
What does irresponsible cyclists, cycling on the pavement, got to do with this story?
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonscouse2[/bold] wrote: "I know cyclists will not mind us walking in the cycle lane as they always cycle on the pavement." Do they? How do you know this? Or are you just generalising to stoke up the argument?[/p][/quote]I guess he knows this by using his eyes. I use mine too and also see it all the time.[/p][/quote]What does irresponsible cyclists, cycling on the pavement, got to do with this story? Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 11

5:51pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Many drivers and cyclists now have cameras on dashboards or helmets so you have to be pretty thick these days to try something stupid but then he is driving a BMW and fancies himself as a big man.
What a thicko.
Many drivers and cyclists now have cameras on dashboards or helmets so you have to be pretty thick these days to try something stupid but then he is driving a BMW and fancies himself as a big man. What a thicko. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 16

6:45pm Thu 17 Jul 14

beachkat says...

the real joke here is the suggestion that reports should be made to so-called operation crackdown. What a joke, tried several times to report antisocial driving - result absolutely nothing done.

The great operation is seemingly one anonymous bod in an office in Lewes who isn't authorised to accept video evidence, doesn't answer the phone and doesn't bother much with replying to emails from the public. Police need to up their game.
the real joke here is the suggestion that reports should be made to so-called operation crackdown. What a joke, tried several times to report antisocial driving - result absolutely nothing done. The great operation is seemingly one anonymous bod in an office in Lewes who isn't authorised to accept video evidence, doesn't answer the phone and doesn't bother much with replying to emails from the public. Police need to up their game. beachkat
  • Score: 4

6:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rule-No.5 says...

The video appears not to show anything because the driver is going so fast you can't see that he's dangerously and intimidatingly close to the cyclist. Slow the video down and you can see how dangerous the manuver is.

This guy is not the first person to do this. It happens a lot. I've even had a white van swerve towards me several times whilst the its passenger shouted abuse out the window at me. There are some really bad drivers around who have per-judged hatred of cyclists no matter how you behave. Ban them and free up the roads for decent drivers, cyclists, etc.

4 points on his license is not enough.
The video appears not to show anything because the driver is going so fast you can't see that he's dangerously and intimidatingly close to the cyclist. Slow the video down and you can see how dangerous the manuver is. This guy is not the first person to do this. It happens a lot. I've even had a white van swerve towards me several times whilst the its passenger shouted abuse out the window at me. There are some really bad drivers around who have per-judged hatred of cyclists no matter how you behave. Ban them and free up the roads for decent drivers, cyclists, etc. 4 points on his license is not enough. Rule-No.5
  • Score: 11

8:53pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

rolivan wrote:
£200 fine not £1000.
Typical Argus. Can't even get the fine right.

Mind you, he is a BMW driver so what do you expect?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: £200 fine not £1000.[/p][/quote]Typical Argus. Can't even get the fine right. Mind you, he is a BMW driver so what do you expect? Max Ripple
  • Score: -5

9:33pm Thu 17 Jul 14

paul76 says...

Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment.

When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds.

There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed.

Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side.

To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations.
Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment. When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds. There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed. Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side. To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations. paul76
  • Score: -5

9:50pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rule-No.5 says...

paul76 wrote:
Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment.

When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds.

There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed.

Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side.

To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations.
I don't believe that you ever ride a bike. What you've written in your post is nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment. When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds. There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed. Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side. To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations.[/p][/quote]I don't believe that you ever ride a bike. What you've written in your post is nonsense. Rule-No.5
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Thu 17 Jul 14

John Steed says...

I have little or no time for irresponsible cyclists or their whinging, however the behaviour of this driver was beyond the pale, and 4 points and a grand fine is far to lenient, this driver was endangering the life of other road users, nothing short of an immediate ban is sufficient, meanwhile cyclist riding two abreast on one of the most dangerous sections of highway, one assumes the police have given them a severe talking to.
I have little or no time for irresponsible cyclists or their whinging, however the behaviour of this driver was beyond the pale, and 4 points and a grand fine is far to lenient, this driver was endangering the life of other road users, nothing short of an immediate ban is sufficient, meanwhile cyclist riding two abreast on one of the most dangerous sections of highway, one assumes the police have given them a severe talking to. John Steed
  • Score: 4

10:36pm Thu 17 Jul 14

hubby says...

Where I live in Spain cyclists are treated with the utmost respect,and rightly so. They are extremely vulnerable and have little protection against over aggressive motorists.
Where I live in Spain cyclists are treated with the utmost respect,and rightly so. They are extremely vulnerable and have little protection against over aggressive motorists. hubby
  • Score: 5

12:41am Fri 18 Jul 14

worthingite says...

Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure.
Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure. worthingite
  • Score: 2

5:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

esh lad says...

Max Ripple wrote:
rolivan wrote:
£200 fine not £1000.
Typical Argus. Can't even get the fine right.

Mind you, he is a BMW driver so what do you expect?
I suppose he reads the Daily Mail and a UKIP supporter to boot.. disgusting!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: £200 fine not £1000.[/p][/quote]Typical Argus. Can't even get the fine right. Mind you, he is a BMW driver so what do you expect?[/p][/quote]I suppose he reads the Daily Mail and a UKIP supporter to boot.. disgusting! esh lad
  • Score: -3

7:32am Fri 18 Jul 14

graham_Seagull says...

worthingite wrote:
Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure.
What's your comment got to do with the story about a stupid person intimidating other road users?

I'll answer on your behalf - nothing. At.all.
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure.[/p][/quote]What's your comment got to do with the story about a stupid person intimidating other road users? I'll answer on your behalf - nothing. At.all. graham_Seagull
  • Score: 6

8:49am Fri 18 Jul 14

Rule-No.5 says...

worthingite wrote:
Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure.
What has your comment got to do with this article?! Nothing. You might as well have posted about the cost of petrol for all the relevance it has.
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: Cyclists who constantly drive through red lights are the fools, just waiting to see one get potted, I have a on board camera and will pass the footage over to the coroner, the families of the cyclist will look on in dis-belief at the evidence I am sure.[/p][/quote]What has your comment got to do with this article?! Nothing. You might as well have posted about the cost of petrol for all the relevance it has. Rule-No.5
  • Score: 1

9:10am Fri 18 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

lindaf wrote:
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
I don't know why you received so many negative marks, I frequently drive that stretch and occasionally cycle it and if cyclists ride side by side it totally blocks the road. Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras.
[quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.[/p][/quote]I don't know why you received so many negative marks, I frequently drive that stretch and occasionally cycle it and if cyclists ride side by side it totally blocks the road. Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -3

9:22am Fri 18 Jul 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
lindaf wrote:
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
I don't know why you received so many negative marks, I frequently drive that stretch and occasionally cycle it and if cyclists ride side by side it totally blocks the road. Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras.
Why ar cyclists encouraging confrontation, by riding two abreast? Do motorists get that wound up by being held up for a few moments until it's safe to pass? The point is, not to antagonise motorists. But to encourage motorists to think before over-taking a cyclist. As recommended in the Highway Code.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.[/p][/quote]I don't know why you received so many negative marks, I frequently drive that stretch and occasionally cycle it and if cyclists ride side by side it totally blocks the road. Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras.[/p][/quote]Why ar cyclists encouraging confrontation, by riding two abreast? Do motorists get that wound up by being held up for a few moments until it's safe to pass? The point is, not to antagonise motorists. But to encourage motorists to think before over-taking a cyclist. As recommended in the Highway Code. Brightonscouse2
  • Score: 7

9:37am Fri 18 Jul 14

road_rager says...

What a brainless tw*t Oliver McDonald must be. Should have received a ban for such moronic behaviour.
What a brainless tw*t Oliver McDonald must be. Should have received a ban for such moronic behaviour. road_rager
  • Score: 3

9:55am Fri 18 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

chrismilo wrote:
What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?
How many pedestrians are killed by cyclists on pavements ? Is this a major problem ? There have been at least 2 stories in the Argus this week of cyclists killed or seriously injured by cars. Anyone might think you were trying to justify an act of gross stupidity that could have resulted in the death of an innocent person with your own personal prejudice against cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?[/p][/quote]How many pedestrians are killed by cyclists on pavements ? Is this a major problem ? There have been at least 2 stories in the Argus this week of cyclists killed or seriously injured by cars. Anyone might think you were trying to justify an act of gross stupidity that could have resulted in the death of an innocent person with your own personal prejudice against cyclists. gheese77
  • Score: 8

10:08am Fri 18 Jul 14

DistinctLackOfGravitas says...

paul76 wrote:
Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment.

When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds.

There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed.

Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side.

To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations.
Good luck avoiding a pot hole or someone in a parked car opening their door then, if you've only got 2ft between you and overtaking cars. You'll either get nailed by the pothole/car door or squashed by the overtaking lorry.
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Ok, so I ride a motorbike, drive a car and ride a push on the the road, so this is an unbiased comment. When I ride my push bike, there is nothing worse than having a car follow you for ages because they want to leave a 6ft gap before they go past. If you want to go past, do it. I only need a gap of 2ft. If you don't dilly dally, you will only be alongside for a couple of seconds. There is nothing more frustrating than people on push bikes riding side by side on a single carriage road. They do it along Brighton Road in Shoreham. They take up the most of the lane and cause frustration to other road users trying to get passed. Riding side by side should be illegal. There is no need for it. I wouldn't do it if going out on push bikes with other people. And the road this happened on has enough accidents without cyclist making more problems by riding side by side. To stay safe, push bike riders need to respect the other road users, and not think they own the roads and put themselves in dangerous situations.[/p][/quote]Good luck avoiding a pot hole or someone in a parked car opening their door then, if you've only got 2ft between you and overtaking cars. You'll either get nailed by the pothole/car door or squashed by the overtaking lorry. DistinctLackOfGravitas
  • Score: 5

11:55am Fri 18 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras."

Possibly a reason why some of them take cameras along.
"Too many cyclists are encouraging confrontation when they are wearing cameras." Possibly a reason why some of them take cameras along. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

12:23pm Fri 18 Jul 14

peterthomas says...

lindaf wrote:
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
Correct - cyclists escape any punishment for appalling on the road behaviour - how about fining a few of them?
[quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.[/p][/quote]Correct - cyclists escape any punishment for appalling on the road behaviour - how about fining a few of them? peterthomas
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Fri 18 Jul 14

TheDrive says...

Should be made to retake his driving test.
Should be made to retake his driving test. TheDrive
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

r2dean2 says...

BiggerH wrote:
4 points?? One gets three for just parking on zig-zags - total joke

Typical BMW driver - flash car/small k**b
Well said mate.
[quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: 4 points?? One gets three for just parking on zig-zags - total joke Typical BMW driver - flash car/small k**b[/p][/quote]Well said mate. r2dean2
  • Score: -1

3:34pm Fri 18 Jul 14

r2dean2 says...

Notters_Seagull wrote:
chrismilo wrote:
What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?
Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist.

Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Notters_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chrismilo[/bold] wrote: What Penalty do cyclists get for constantly intimidating pedesrians on pavements ?[/p][/quote]Constantly? Really? As a pedestrian, cyclist and driver of many years, I can't say I've ever been intimidated by a cyclist. Cyclists should be encouraged to use pavements (at walking pace) where the roads are too dangerous, e.g. at Bear Road. It works very well in Spain.[/p][/quote]Well said r2dean2
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pebble counter says...

Odd the Argus revealed his address when he could have caused a loss of life but only cost him money to get out of trouble. Oliver McDonald, Station road, Hailsham.
Odd the Argus revealed his address when he could have caused a loss of life but only cost him money to get out of trouble. Oliver McDonald, Station road, Hailsham. pebble counter
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Fri 18 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Firstly, the Highway Code states:

"You should.....ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"

That isn't a compunction, but it is common sense.

The road in question is narrow, so the two cyclists should have been in single file.

McDonald was clearly unable to drive past them safely, so he correctly sounded his horn to alert them that something was awry ie that they were contravening the Highway Code.

He did not do so as he overtook them - he sounded his horn from behind them.

Most cyclists would have reverted to single file......clearly, neither of them decided to do that, and one of them made an obscene gesture.

That cyclist was in the wrong.

I accept that McDonald's next two actions were completely wrong - overtaking and slamming on the brakes was dangerous beyond question, as was his subsequent overtaking of an innocent cyclist up ahead.

I'm pleased he was caught and punished, but the first pair of cyclists really should have a better understanding of the roads - and anyone who makes gestures is breaking the law.
Firstly, the Highway Code states: "You should.....ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends" That isn't a compunction, but it is common sense. The road in question is narrow, so the two cyclists should have been in single file. McDonald was clearly unable to drive past them safely, so he correctly sounded his horn to alert them that something was awry ie that they were contravening the Highway Code. He did not do so as he overtook them - he sounded his horn from behind them. Most cyclists would have reverted to single file......clearly, neither of them decided to do that, and one of them made an obscene gesture. That cyclist was in the wrong. I accept that McDonald's next two actions were completely wrong - overtaking and slamming on the brakes was dangerous beyond question, as was his subsequent overtaking of an innocent cyclist up ahead. I'm pleased he was caught and punished, but the first pair of cyclists really should have a better understanding of the roads - and anyone who makes gestures is breaking the law. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

Bad motorists! Bad cyclists! Bad pedestrians! What is the world coming to!
We are all human and we ALL take risks and ALL think we are right at the time! Pedestrians walk out in front of bikes and cars. Cyclists ride on the path causing pedestrians to get out of the way. Motorists and cyclists both using mobile phones, jumping red lights etc. Cyclists the most guilty at red lights! Cycling with no hands on the handlebars is a good one, usually while texting someone! Pedestrians with headphones on that don't even hear a blast on the horn as they step out to cross at a junction, cars and motorbikes speeding, groups of cyclists on racing bikes thinking they are in the Tour de France and constantly changing position to keep the speed up, riding like this you can hit 40mph! Followed a group along Worthing sea front at 40mph even though it was 30mph limit!
It's only when it goes wrong that we all jump on the band wagon, bloody motorists, bloody cyclists, bloody pedestrians, bloody kids and so on.
The other week, the cyclist that attacked the bus driver, has he been caught and fined etc? A colleague at work had a car door opened on him, stitches in his chest and plenty of bruising, so at this point we would all blame the car driver, but when the rest of the story was told, it was on his way home at night in the winter and I asked him what he was wearing and if he had his lights on, I knew he was wearing a dark blue coat and had seen his bike earlier, noting that it had no lights on, so I asked him who he thought was at fault, after a few minutes of arguing about it, he did admit if he had been the car driver he would have said tough luck mate to the cyclist!
Back to the this headline, what is the speed limit on this stretch of road, 40/50/60 mph, with vehicles travelling at these sort of speeds, the last thing i would be doing is riding 2 abreast! As for this motorist, while totally in the wrong and deserving of everything he gets, he was unlucky to get caught imo! drive, cycle or walk along the seafront from Hove to Brighton and you will see this sort of thing happening every day going unpunished, not at the speed this t*** was driving at admittedly, but confrontations between all these groups all the same!
Bad motorists! Bad cyclists! Bad pedestrians! What is the world coming to! We are all human and we ALL take risks and ALL think we are right at the time! Pedestrians walk out in front of bikes and cars. Cyclists ride on the path causing pedestrians to get out of the way. Motorists and cyclists both using mobile phones, jumping red lights etc. Cyclists the most guilty at red lights! Cycling with no hands on the handlebars is a good one, usually while texting someone! Pedestrians with headphones on that don't even hear a blast on the horn as they step out to cross at a junction, cars and motorbikes speeding, groups of cyclists on racing bikes thinking they are in the Tour de France and constantly changing position to keep the speed up, riding like this you can hit 40mph! Followed a group along Worthing sea front at 40mph even though it was 30mph limit! It's only when it goes wrong that we all jump on the band wagon, bloody motorists, bloody cyclists, bloody pedestrians, bloody kids and so on. The other week, the cyclist that attacked the bus driver, has he been caught and fined etc? A colleague at work had a car door opened on him, stitches in his chest and plenty of bruising, so at this point we would all blame the car driver, but when the rest of the story was told, it was on his way home at night in the winter and I asked him what he was wearing and if he had his lights on, I knew he was wearing a dark blue coat and had seen his bike earlier, noting that it had no lights on, so I asked him who he thought was at fault, after a few minutes of arguing about it, he did admit if he had been the car driver he would have said tough luck mate to the cyclist! Back to the this headline, what is the speed limit on this stretch of road, 40/50/60 mph, with vehicles travelling at these sort of speeds, the last thing i would be doing is riding 2 abreast! As for this motorist, while totally in the wrong and deserving of everything he gets, he was unlucky to get caught imo! drive, cycle or walk along the seafront from Hove to Brighton and you will see this sort of thing happening every day going unpunished, not at the speed this t*** was driving at admittedly, but confrontations between all these groups all the same! To baldly go
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Wide Bertha says...

lindaf wrote:
The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.
clearly you didn't read your highway code
[quote][p][bold]lindaf[/bold] wrote: The video shows nothing..this part of the A27 is not duel carriage way so why were they riding side by side? Stupid... Cyclist seem to rule the roads these day.[/p][/quote]clearly you didn't read your highway code Wide Bertha
  • Score: 1
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