Crashes on the rise

Crash victims Matthew Crawford and Holly Oldham say they are lucky to be alive

Crash victims Matthew Crawford and Holly Oldham say they are lucky to be alive

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One hundred people were killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June – the worst month in four years.

Police have pledged to get the situation “back on track” but admit they do not yet know the cause of the spike.

The rise comes amid a bad quarter for road crashed and one teenage driver who was hurt in June has called for action to improve safety.

Matthew Crawford, 19, and partner Holly Oldham, 18, said they were lucky to be alive after his Lexus skidded in spilled diesel on the A27 and smashed into the side of the road at 65 miles an hour.

They were returning home from visiting friends when Matthew lost control of their car skidded.

Mr Crawford, of Southwick, said he was screaming ‘oh my God’ as the car span. “I accepted I was going to die,” he said.

He said drivers needed to be more aware of the dangers and authorities needed to keep a closer eye on the roads.

He added: “Until you have an accident you don’t realise what damage a car can actually do and how the slightest thing on the road can affect it.

“To make the dual carriageways safer they need to have more speed cameras, not just the odd one.”

In the first quarter of this financial year 271 people were killed or seriously injured on Sussex roads – meaning this year’s full toll is likely to be much greater than last year’s.

Discussing the figures with police on Friday, Sussex police and crime commissioner Katy Bourne said: “If we look at the first quarter of this year so far there is 271 and if they round it up and do that every quarter you are going to have over 1,000 potentially killed or seriously injured.”

The number of people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads jumped by 17 per cent over the past year (from 849 in 2012/13 to 995 in 2013/14), according to the figures read out at the monthly police performance and accountability meeting. Assistant Chief Constable Steve Barry said the Safer Sussex Roads Partnership would carry out a review and pledged measures to get casualty reduction “back on track.”

He added authorities needed to work out whether the spike in the figures this quarter was an anomaly, caused perhaps by the weather or if it was due to driver behaviour.

Joe Burns, spokesperson for road safety charity Brake, said road crashes were “preventable tragedies” and the Sussex figures are “disappointing”.

He added: “As drivers, riders, cyclists and pedestrians, we all have an important role to play in looking out for each other and making sure we are safe on the roads.”

But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

Anti-social driving can be reported via www.operationcrackdown.org or by calling 01243 642 222.

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7:36am Mon 28 Jul 14

rogerthefish says...

I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban.
I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban. rogerthefish
  • Score: 24

8:36am Mon 28 Jul 14

fredaj says...

rogerthefish wrote:
I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban.
How can you possibly know that is the cause????
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly know that is the cause???? fredaj
  • Score: 6

8:53am Mon 28 Jul 14

stevensavage says...

fredaj wrote:
rogerthefish wrote:
I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban.
How can you possibly know that is the cause????
i bet hes right and some are because of idiots on their phone
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: I'll think you'll find it's people using phones whilst driving, time to enforce this with removal of phone and year ban.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly know that is the cause????[/p][/quote]i bet hes right and some are because of idiots on their phone stevensavage
  • Score: 15

9:35am Mon 28 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 13

9:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Fercri Sakes says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists?

Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;)
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.[/p][/quote]Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists? Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;) Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -13

9:58am Mon 28 Jul 14

Nobleox says...

With ever increasing numbers of inconsiderate agressive bad mannered motorists behind the wheel, many pig-ignorant "show-offs" lacking the intelligence to know driving even at 20mph in some situations is extremely dangerous, injuries and deaths will spiral. Added to the aforementioned are some of the diabolical road lay-outs and road markings; approach to Coldean Lane; Holmbush Roundabout, but to name two. Driving now has become as precarious as crossing a minefield with those in authority more or less turning blind-eyes.
With ever increasing numbers of inconsiderate agressive bad mannered motorists behind the wheel, many pig-ignorant "show-offs" lacking the intelligence to know driving even at 20mph in some situations is extremely dangerous, injuries and deaths will spiral. Added to the aforementioned are some of the diabolical road lay-outs and road markings; approach to Coldean Lane; Holmbush Roundabout, but to name two. Driving now has become as precarious as crossing a minefield with those in authority more or less turning blind-eyes. Nobleox
  • Score: 9

10:41am Mon 28 Jul 14

Nosfaratu says...

To be honest I have seen the standard of driving , behavior and courtesy deteriorating at an alarming rate. I believe that the cause is poorly trained 'New Drivers' , 'Immigrants' who don't seem to know any of the Highway Code, drivers over Seventy and most alarmingly, 'The Appalling State' of the roads in 'Sussex'.

Believe me, just going to the Supermarket is fraught with danger from suicidal motorcyclists and cyclists, wandering pedestrians and the appalling road layouts on the A259 between Newhaven and Brighton our illustrious ESCC has deemed safe.

All this and Blue Light Ambulances every 10 minutes, more Busses than you can count blocking the road and Guess what ? not a 'Copper' in sight . Protect yourself, get an in car camera.
To be honest I have seen the standard of driving , behavior and courtesy deteriorating at an alarming rate. I believe that the cause is poorly trained 'New Drivers' , 'Immigrants' who don't seem to know any of the Highway Code, drivers over Seventy and most alarmingly, 'The Appalling State' of the roads in 'Sussex'. Believe me, just going to the Supermarket is fraught with danger from suicidal motorcyclists and cyclists, wandering pedestrians and the appalling road layouts on the A259 between Newhaven and Brighton our illustrious ESCC has deemed safe. All this and Blue Light Ambulances every 10 minutes, more Busses than you can count blocking the road and Guess what ? not a 'Copper' in sight . Protect yourself, get an in car camera. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 7

11:32am Mon 28 Jul 14

qm says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
In the interests of truth, I have to say that I have seen many of my fellow motorists doing all of those things, particularly the latter many times every day! Nobody is without deserved criticism, sadly one of the unfortunate results of the green slime onslaught on or community is the polarisation between different users of the highways.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.[/p][/quote]In the interests of truth, I have to say that I have seen many of my fellow motorists doing all of those things, particularly the latter many times every day! Nobody is without deserved criticism, sadly one of the unfortunate results of the green slime onslaught on or community is the polarisation between different users of the highways. qm
  • Score: 8

11:33am Mon 28 Jul 14

charlie smirke says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
To be honest I have seen the standard of driving , behavior and courtesy deteriorating at an alarming rate. I believe that the cause is poorly trained 'New Drivers' , 'Immigrants' who don't seem to know any of the Highway Code, drivers over Seventy and most alarmingly, 'The Appalling State' of the roads in 'Sussex'.

Believe me, just going to the Supermarket is fraught with danger from suicidal motorcyclists and cyclists, wandering pedestrians and the appalling road layouts on the A259 between Newhaven and Brighton our illustrious ESCC has deemed safe.

All this and Blue Light Ambulances every 10 minutes, more Busses than you can count blocking the road and Guess what ? not a 'Copper' in sight . Protect yourself, get an in car camera.
I agree completely with all you have said. Also I think sterner penalties are needed for all dangerous, incompetent or inconsiderate road users.
However, we don't have enough Police out there to "Police" anything much. When offenders of any kind are caught, they don't get more than a slap on the wrist. So, where's the real deterrent these days for any kind of bad behaviour??
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: To be honest I have seen the standard of driving , behavior and courtesy deteriorating at an alarming rate. I believe that the cause is poorly trained 'New Drivers' , 'Immigrants' who don't seem to know any of the Highway Code, drivers over Seventy and most alarmingly, 'The Appalling State' of the roads in 'Sussex'. Believe me, just going to the Supermarket is fraught with danger from suicidal motorcyclists and cyclists, wandering pedestrians and the appalling road layouts on the A259 between Newhaven and Brighton our illustrious ESCC has deemed safe. All this and Blue Light Ambulances every 10 minutes, more Busses than you can count blocking the road and Guess what ? not a 'Copper' in sight . Protect yourself, get an in car camera.[/p][/quote]I agree completely with all you have said. Also I think sterner penalties are needed for all dangerous, incompetent or inconsiderate road users. However, we don't have enough Police out there to "Police" anything much. When offenders of any kind are caught, they don't get more than a slap on the wrist. So, where's the real deterrent these days for any kind of bad behaviour?? charlie smirke
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

city-boy says...

One hundred people were killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June – the worst month in four years.

Well you are either killed or injured??? One hundred people killed on Sussex road sounds very dramatic - or very slightly worrying. Actual killed / injured statistics would be more informative.

World Cup will have played its part again - remember the last one? Loads of accidents/ injuries during this time.

I was involved in terrible car crash 15 years ago - so I have every sympathy. It was on the seatbelt that saved me ..............
One hundred people were killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June – the worst month in four years. Well you are either killed or injured??? One hundred people killed on Sussex road sounds very dramatic - or very slightly worrying. Actual killed / injured statistics would be more informative. World Cup will have played its part again - remember the last one? Loads of accidents/ injuries during this time. I was involved in terrible car crash 15 years ago - so I have every sympathy. It was on the seatbelt that saved me .............. city-boy
  • Score: 5

12:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

FatherTed11 says...

Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents.
Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents. FatherTed11
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Roundbill says...

Maybe it's a statistical cluster with no specific cause?
Maybe it's a statistical cluster with no specific cause? Roundbill
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Worthing Jim says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents.
What a ridiculous comment. But then again, with a group like 'Unchain the Bright Motorist ' in existence, I guess it's to be expected.
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment. But then again, with a group like 'Unchain the Bright Motorist [whilst airbrushing out the fact that motorists in Brighton have been unchained for the last 70 years]' in existence, I guess it's to be expected. Worthing Jim
  • Score: 4

1:34pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Sir Prised says...

We don't need more speed cameras, we need more unmarked police cars. We all see and can recognise bad driving but the only present sanction is on speed, which can catch anyone out and achieves very little in preventing accidents, which are predominantly caused by inattention and carelessness ! Oh and neither do I agree with blanket phone siezure. There can be no justifcation for removing the innocent party's phone. Jsut look at the records and THEN throw the book at the real culprit.
We don't need more speed cameras, we need more unmarked police cars. We all see and can recognise bad driving but the only present sanction is on speed, which can catch anyone out and achieves very little in preventing accidents, which are predominantly caused by inattention and carelessness ! Oh and neither do I agree with blanket phone siezure. There can be no justifcation for removing the innocent party's phone. Jsut look at the records and THEN throw the book at the real culprit. Sir Prised
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Mon 28 Jul 14

road_rager says...

Worthing Jim wrote:
FatherTed11 wrote:
Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents.
What a ridiculous comment. But then again, with a group like 'Unchain the Bright Motorist ' in existence, I guess it's to be expected.
Father ted is just an idiotic troll - ignore them
[quote][p][bold]Worthing Jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Banning cyclists would surely reduce the number of accidents.[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous comment. But then again, with a group like 'Unchain the Bright Motorist [whilst airbrushing out the fact that motorists in Brighton have been unchained for the last 70 years]' in existence, I guess it's to be expected.[/p][/quote]Father ted is just an idiotic troll - ignore them road_rager
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Mon 28 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

This mirrors the drop in driving standards and the fact there are more aggressive, dangerous, selfish, inconsiderate drivers on the road than ever before.
Just today I stopped back from the car in front in order to keep a 'Keep Clear' box empty so that vehicles could get in and out of a side road if needed. I got honked by some idiot in a van behind, who then in his impatience pulled out around me (obviously without looking) and nearly hit a car coming out. All so he could gain about 6 yards of road??!!
I see this terrible driving every day and I say it's a combo of aggressive, nasty people and a lack of brain cells.
Mobile phones are a bit problem - should be illegal handsfree as well. You can't be concentrating on your driving if you are engaged in telephone call. Your brain is elsewhere.
This mirrors the drop in driving standards and the fact there are more aggressive, dangerous, selfish, inconsiderate drivers on the road than ever before. Just today I stopped back from the car in front in order to keep a 'Keep Clear' box empty so that vehicles could get in and out of a side road if needed. I got honked by some idiot in a van behind, who then in his impatience pulled out around me (obviously without looking) and nearly hit a car coming out. All so he could gain about 6 yards of road??!! I see this terrible driving every day and I say it's a combo of aggressive, nasty people and a lack of brain cells. Mobile phones are a bit problem - should be illegal handsfree as well. You can't be concentrating on your driving if you are engaged in telephone call. Your brain is elsewhere. sussexram40
  • Score: 16

2:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

BenUk says...

and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught.
big brother england has to many cameras.
and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught. big brother england has to many cameras. BenUk
  • Score: 5

3:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Fairfax Aches says...

The Greens! The Greens!
The Greens! The Greens! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car?

Methinks there lies the problem.
A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car? Methinks there lies the problem. NathanAdler
  • Score: 7

4:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

sunsetoneuk says...

Agree about Lexus being very powerful car for relatively inexperienced driver. Glad all was well in the end, but perhaps lesson being to start with a less powerful car and build up experience.
Agree about Lexus being very powerful car for relatively inexperienced driver. Glad all was well in the end, but perhaps lesson being to start with a less powerful car and build up experience. sunsetoneuk
  • Score: 6

4:37pm Mon 28 Jul 14

sunsetoneuk says...

So happy that the driver of Lexus and passenger all ok. Advice about young drivers gaining experience in less powerful cars is very constructive. The rise in accidents is not a surprise. It does look like the Police are unable to patrol roads in the way they once did. Given rise in drivers and roads, have we seen aligned increase in Traffic Police? We all know the answer to that. Having purges helps, but bad drivers know when to slow down if a speed check is in operation. I also agree that speed is not necessarily the cause, and inconsiderate sloppy driving is much more likely. Why so many drive without manners or thought towards other drivers I really find difficult to understand. It is worrying though.
So happy that the driver of Lexus and passenger all ok. Advice about young drivers gaining experience in less powerful cars is very constructive. The rise in accidents is not a surprise. It does look like the Police are unable to patrol roads in the way they once did. Given rise in drivers and roads, have we seen aligned increase in Traffic Police? We all know the answer to that. Having purges helps, but bad drivers know when to slow down if a speed check is in operation. I also agree that speed is not necessarily the cause, and inconsiderate sloppy driving is much more likely. Why so many drive without manners or thought towards other drivers I really find difficult to understand. It is worrying though. sunsetoneuk
  • Score: 6

5:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Ash Brighton says...

BenUk wrote:
and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught.
big brother england has to many cameras.
I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly.

Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road.

Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble).

The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places.

Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved.

I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds.

I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine...

Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.
[quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught. big brother england has to many cameras.[/p][/quote]I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly. Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road. Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble). The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places. Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved. I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds. I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine... Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road. Ash Brighton
  • Score: 6

5:07pm Mon 28 Jul 14

somerandombloke says...

How many bikers are in that number. The idiot on the Polegate by pass, the other night passing cars with his front wheel in the air, and dressed in shorts and tee shirt, will increase that number by at least one before long. Just hope the Muppet only kills himself.
How many bikers are in that number. The idiot on the Polegate by pass, the other night passing cars with his front wheel in the air, and dressed in shorts and tee shirt, will increase that number by at least one before long. Just hope the Muppet only kills himself. somerandombloke
  • Score: 6

5:18pm Mon 28 Jul 14

her professional says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
How many of the deaths and injuries were down to cyclists then?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.[/p][/quote]How many of the deaths and injuries were down to cyclists then? her professional
  • Score: -1

5:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

her professional says...

Ash Brighton wrote:
BenUk wrote:
and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught.
big brother england has to many cameras.
I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly.

Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road.

Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble).

The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places.

Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved.

I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds.

I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine...

Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.
Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time.
[quote][p][bold]Ash Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught. big brother england has to many cameras.[/p][/quote]I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly. Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road. Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble). The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places. Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved. I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds. I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine... Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.[/p][/quote]Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time. her professional
  • Score: -1

5:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

road_rager says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists?

Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;)
I believe there is a group of middle aged men just waiting to post anti-cyclist comments whenever they can. I don't know why they do this but there has been shown to be a correlation between waistline and anti-cycling sentiment
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.[/p][/quote]Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists? Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;)[/p][/quote]I believe there is a group of middle aged men just waiting to post anti-cyclist comments whenever they can. I don't know why they do this but there has been shown to be a correlation between waistline and anti-cycling sentiment road_rager
  • Score: -5

7:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

NathanAdler wrote:
A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car?

Methinks there lies the problem.
Exactly. Thanks for the advice Mr Crawford 19, but actually you're part of the problem. And I don't believe for one second that you were driving at "65 miles an hour". Not for one second.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car? Methinks there lies the problem.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Thanks for the advice Mr Crawford 19, but actually you're part of the problem. And I don't believe for one second that you were driving at "65 miles an hour". Not for one second. Quiterie
  • Score: 13

7:37pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Bill in Hanover says...

road_rager wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.”

........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.
Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists?

Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;)
I believe there is a group of middle aged men just waiting to post anti-cyclist comments whenever they can. I don't know why they do this but there has been shown to be a correlation between waistline and anti-cycling sentiment
I'm middle aged with a waistline of 32" and have previously posted anti-cyclist comments, not because I'm against biked per se, as I regularly cycle myself, but simply because living near the Lewes Road I see cyclists (mainly students) jumping lights, zig-zagging on and off pavements to short cut past lights, cycling the wrong way down one way streets (St. James Street is notorious for this) and cycling on the pavement, this last one is the most annoying as they cycle towards the Gyratory from the college on the west side of Lewes Road simply because they are too bone idle to cross the road and use the very expensive cycle lane which has reduced the road to a single lane for cars.
[quote][p][bold]road_rager[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: But he added: “However, there are a number of measures the government should be taking to drive down road casualties across the country, including a zero-tolerance drink drive limit, 20mph default urban speed limit, and a system of graduated driver licensing.” ........and cyclists riding on pavements, pedestrian areas, in the wrong direction on roads, and through red traffic lights.[/p][/quote]Can you let us know how many of the one hundred people killed or seriously injured on Sussex’s roads in June were hit by cyclists? Are you a strangely bitter anti-cyclist that knee-jerks these comments whenever a traffic story is published? So funny to think of you waking up sweating from a horrible nightmare about a bunch of six-year olds cycling on a pavement towards you ;)[/p][/quote]I believe there is a group of middle aged men just waiting to post anti-cyclist comments whenever they can. I don't know why they do this but there has been shown to be a correlation between waistline and anti-cycling sentiment[/p][/quote]I'm middle aged with a waistline of 32" and have previously posted anti-cyclist comments, not because I'm against biked per se, as I regularly cycle myself, but simply because living near the Lewes Road I see cyclists (mainly students) jumping lights, zig-zagging on and off pavements to short cut past lights, cycling the wrong way down one way streets (St. James Street is notorious for this) and cycling on the pavement, this last one is the most annoying as they cycle towards the Gyratory from the college on the west side of Lewes Road simply because they are too bone idle to cross the road and use the very expensive cycle lane which has reduced the road to a single lane for cars. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 3

7:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

her professional wrote:
Ash Brighton wrote:
BenUk wrote:
and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught.
big brother england has to many cameras.
I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly.

Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road.

Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble).

The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places.

Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved.

I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds.

I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine...

Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.
Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time.
Check out the videos on you tube! I think you will find cyclists get the gold medal when it comes to jumping red lights.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught. big brother england has to many cameras.[/p][/quote]I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly. Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road. Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble). The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places. Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved. I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds. I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine... Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.[/p][/quote]Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time.[/p][/quote]Check out the videos on you tube! I think you will find cyclists get the gold medal when it comes to jumping red lights. To baldly go
  • Score: 8

8:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Ash Brighton says...

To baldly go wrote:
her professional wrote:
Ash Brighton wrote:
BenUk wrote:
and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught.
big brother england has to many cameras.
I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly.

Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road.

Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble).

The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places.

Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved.

I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds.

I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine...

Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.
Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time.
Check out the videos on you tube! I think you will find cyclists get the gold medal when it comes to jumping red lights.
A fair sized observational study was conducted in Austrailia that found as a proportion of opportunities to jump lights drivers jumped them more often. Drivers were more likely to jump just after they had turned red and cyclist most likely to jump just before the turned green.

Would be interesting to see how things would change in the UK though. Would have to be a year long study though because by observation the 'fair weather' cyclists seem to be the worst of the bunch for jumping lights.

I get how it's frustrating though, even as a cyclist I find it incredibly irritating when people on bikes cycle like idiots. I like to call them suicyclists.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ash Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: and how is adding more speed cameras going to work? its not it will just cause more accidents, as we all know people slow down before the camera then speed up again after, and there only good if people don't know where they are! once they know where they are they don't get caught. big brother england has to many cameras.[/p][/quote]I agree speed cameras would be pointless folly. Maybe average speed cameras would be a better idea but then again I'm not wholly convinced that speed is the primary causation of the majority incident on the road. Just by observation on a daily basis I see dangerous overtakes, people eating/ using their mobile phone at the wheel, frequent amber gambling (and the occasional red light jumps as result of a failed gamble). The state of the roads also can't help either, they're very dangerous in some places. Really I think impatience is likely the cause of many accidents and I'm not sure how such a problem could be resolved. I once had someone overtake me at speed on a blind corner going uphill at night on wet roads. Insanity, risked life and limb for the sake of a few seconds. I also had someone actually swerve at me when I was cycling once (2 lanes, broad day light, minimal traffic and plenty of room to overtake), wish I'd been wearing my camera at the time because that would have been a nice fine... Really seems to be the unsafe minority of drivers because I see a great deal of excellent drivers out on the road.[/p][/quote]Occasional red light jump? Spend a few minutes at the bottom of Coombe Road or at Sackville Road/Old Shoreham Road and check out the numbers jumping the lights at either location. You'll be up to double figures in no time.[/p][/quote]Check out the videos on you tube! I think you will find cyclists get the gold medal when it comes to jumping red lights.[/p][/quote]A fair sized observational study was conducted in Austrailia that found as a proportion of opportunities to jump lights drivers jumped them more often. Drivers were more likely to jump just after they had turned red and cyclist most likely to jump just before the turned green. Would be interesting to see how things would change in the UK though. Would have to be a year long study though because by observation the 'fair weather' cyclists seem to be the worst of the bunch for jumping lights. I get how it's frustrating though, even as a cyclist I find it incredibly irritating when people on bikes cycle like idiots. I like to call them suicyclists. Ash Brighton
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

Quiterie wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car?

Methinks there lies the problem.
Exactly. Thanks for the advice Mr Crawford 19, but actually you're part of the problem. And I don't believe for one second that you were driving at "65 miles an hour". Not for one second.
Just as a follow up....... 3 of the 4 "Sports" that Matt Crawford 'likes' on Facebook are as follows; "I don't have an anger problem, I manage to get angry just fine", "We all know a short kid who reckons he can take anyone on" and "Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse".

Perhaps the next time the Argus selects someone to give motoring advice they might want to avoid people who use their car as a penis extension......
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car? Methinks there lies the problem.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Thanks for the advice Mr Crawford 19, but actually you're part of the problem. And I don't believe for one second that you were driving at "65 miles an hour". Not for one second.[/p][/quote]Just as a follow up....... 3 of the 4 "Sports" that Matt Crawford 'likes' on Facebook are as follows; "I don't have an anger problem, I manage to get angry just fine", "We all know a short kid who reckons he can take anyone on" and "Treat me good, I'll treat you better. Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse". Perhaps the next time the Argus selects someone to give motoring advice they might want to avoid people who use their car as a penis extension...... Quiterie
  • Score: 9

8:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

As I've posted on previous threads, every group (motorists, cyclists, bikers and pedestrians) are all guilty of breaking some of these laws at some time.
Most pedestrian accidents happen within 50m of a crossing.
Motorbikes speeding then can't stop quick enough when something happens in front of them.
Cyclists that go up the inside of hgvs about to turn left and wonder why they get run over.
Could go on all night with examples of how each group breaks the law, takes chances, and then tries to blame someone from the other group.
I am fortunate to have a nice car, a powerful motorbike and a lovely carbon fibre Focus mountain bike, but when I consider how people behave on each mode of transport, I am sorry to say cyclists are the worst offenders by far. Perhaps it's because there is no way of them being identified!
As I've posted on previous threads, every group (motorists, cyclists, bikers and pedestrians) are all guilty of breaking some of these laws at some time. Most pedestrian accidents happen within 50m of a crossing. Motorbikes speeding then can't stop quick enough when something happens in front of them. Cyclists that go up the inside of hgvs about to turn left and wonder why they get run over. Could go on all night with examples of how each group breaks the law, takes chances, and then tries to blame someone from the other group. I am fortunate to have a nice car, a powerful motorbike and a lovely carbon fibre Focus mountain bike, but when I consider how people behave on each mode of transport, I am sorry to say cyclists are the worst offenders by far. Perhaps it's because there is no way of them being identified! To baldly go
  • Score: 4

1:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

vogon1 says...

She's 18?
She's 18? vogon1
  • Score: 1

9:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

Mrbrightside1 says...

NathanAdler wrote:
A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car?

Methinks there lies the problem.
Can't see what difference that makes in this case, any car will spin out of control on contact with diesel. Probably lucky it was a decent car like a Lexus or the couple could have been far worse off on any impact
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: A 19 year old in a Lexus? Are they in fact quite a powerful car? Methinks there lies the problem.[/p][/quote]Can't see what difference that makes in this case, any car will spin out of control on contact with diesel. Probably lucky it was a decent car like a Lexus or the couple could have been far worse off on any impact Mrbrightside1
  • Score: 1

10:32am Tue 29 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Excessive speed is not a primary cause of RTAs, and thinking that a road is 'safer' because there are speed cameras on it merely increases complacency among drivers.

No, bad driving is responsible for the vast majority of RTAs.

Unless and until that problem is addressed, accidents will continue to happen.
Excessive speed is not a primary cause of RTAs, and thinking that a road is 'safer' because there are speed cameras on it merely increases complacency among drivers. No, bad driving is responsible for the vast majority of RTAs. Unless and until that problem is addressed, accidents will continue to happen. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

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