Fines handed out to Sussex parents for children missing school rockets

Fines handed out to Sussex parents for children missing school have rocketed

Fines handed out to Sussex parents for children missing school have rocketed

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THE number of parents being fined for their children missing school has nearly doubled since a term-time holiday ban was introduced.

A total of 4,388 fines were dished out by local authorities in Sussex in the last academic year – a rise of about 90 per cent.

This amounted to more than £500,000 and Sussex’s figures are about 20% above the national average.

From last September children can only be taken out of school in “exceptional” circumstances, rather than heads being allowed to grant up to 10 days’ leave a year for “special” circumstances.

Campaigners say the term-time ban is unfair because the cost of going away during the holiday season is often higher.

One Brighton family who spoke to The Argus is now facing fines and court costs of nearly £800 after taking their daughter to see grandparents in Spain at the start of the last autumn term, after a family bereavement. The seven-year-old had spent all summer in a cast after breaking her leg.

The mother, 23, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said: “I could not believe it.

“I did write to the school explaining things in advance but they wrote back to me after we had gone.

“We each got fined £60 then we did not pay it so they doubled it to £120 and now we have got to pay £365 each.

“I am not going to be able to pay it so it is just going to go up and I will get into more debt. “Until what – one of us goes to prison?

“Obviously it is important that children do not miss out but I don’t know if this is the best way.”

Schools in West Sussex saw the biggest leap as fines rocketed 146% from 973 in 2012-13 to 2,404 last year.

East Sussex schools saw a 41% increase with fines issued going from 1,273 to 1,756 in a year.

Brighton and Hove City Council recorded a 116% increase as the figures swelled from 106 to 229.

An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”.

A West Sussex County Council spokesman put the increase down to the change in Government policy.

But not all the absences and fines are due to family trips. One mother recently taken to court over her 13-year-old son’s 76 per cent attendance record at a Brighton secondary school said bullying and learning difficulties were to blame and were difficult to resolve.

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7:42am Sat 9 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

How do you miss a school rocket?
How do you miss a school rocket? hoveguyactually
  • Score: 30

7:52am Sat 9 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

Punctuation errors can change a message completely.
Was this a Rocket to the Moon.
Punctuation errors can change a message completely. Was this a Rocket to the Moon. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 17

7:59am Sat 9 Aug 14

scottishb;ue says...

Wait till parents start to fine schools for taking time off to strike during term time
Wait till parents start to fine schools for taking time off to strike during term time scottishb;ue
  • Score: 25

8:01am Sat 9 Aug 14

yatman says...

So he strike days imposed on our children by the teachers did not have a harmful effect on their education?
So he strike days imposed on our children by the teachers did not have a harmful effect on their education? yatman
  • Score: 20

8:09am Sat 9 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
How do you miss a school rocket?
By getting up too late. School rockets have now replaced school buses in some areas in an attempt to get children to school on time. Seems a sensible approach to me - it's not rocket science is it?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: How do you miss a school rocket?[/p][/quote]By getting up too late. School rockets have now replaced school buses in some areas in an attempt to get children to school on time. Seems a sensible approach to me - it's not rocket science is it? Quiterie
  • Score: 26

8:35am Sat 9 Aug 14

platelet says...

Writer of this needs a rocket up the ar*e
Writer of this needs a rocket up the ar*e platelet
  • Score: 8

8:44am Sat 9 Aug 14

Wide Bertha says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
How do you miss a school rocket?
don't go to school in Gaza ?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: How do you miss a school rocket?[/p][/quote]don't go to school in Gaza ? Wide Bertha
  • Score: 8

9:33am Sat 9 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

While I don't agree with the fines I'm struggling to understand why the parents in this story just ignored them ? Rather stupid. You might not agree when you get a parking ticket but you should still deal with it rather than ignore it.

As for the fines, it produces a situation where those with money and jobs that easily allow for time of in school holidays while those who are stretched or get rota'ed holidays miss out.
While I don't agree with the fines I'm struggling to understand why the parents in this story just ignored them ? Rather stupid. You might not agree when you get a parking ticket but you should still deal with it rather than ignore it. As for the fines, it produces a situation where those with money and jobs that easily allow for time of in school holidays while those who are stretched or get rota'ed holidays miss out. Fight_Back
  • Score: 19

9:48am Sat 9 Aug 14

lorry27 says...

Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days.
Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days. lorry27
  • Score: 9

9:53am Sat 9 Aug 14

Paolokent says...

An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing. Paolokent
  • Score: 12

10:15am Sat 9 Aug 14

makoshark says...

scottishb;ue wrote:
Wait till parents start to fine schools for taking time off to strike during term time
not only strikes but what about the so called 'inset' days with one local school (at least) having these so called 'training' days on the last day of this past term and the first day of the coming term ... why on earth could such training not be undertaken the day after term end and the day before term start (or anytime in-between) as clearly from the information given, children are missing out on their education during these term time days !!!
[quote][p][bold]scottishb;ue[/bold] wrote: Wait till parents start to fine schools for taking time off to strike during term time[/p][/quote]not only strikes but what about the so called 'inset' days with one local school (at least) having these so called 'training' days on the last day of this past term and the first day of the coming term ... why on earth could such training not be undertaken the day after term end and the day before term start (or anytime in-between) as clearly from the information given, children are missing out on their education during these term time days !!! makoshark
  • Score: 9

10:18am Sat 9 Aug 14

boo2005 says...

lorry27 wrote:
Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days.
in my day, my parents, who were both business people, talked to the headmaster, if they needed to take me out of school, outside of scheduled holiday times, which was always agreed, now it seems as if parents think that they have total rights over everything and everone!........ bloody hell, how times have changed!........some of these people shouldn't even have the right to breed in the first place!.....stop moaning and excusing yourselves, it's the law so follow it!
[quote][p][bold]lorry27[/bold] wrote: Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days.[/p][/quote]in my day, my parents, who were both business people, talked to the headmaster, if they needed to take me out of school, outside of scheduled holiday times, which was always agreed, now it seems as if parents think that they have total rights over everything and everone!........ bloody hell, how times have changed!........some of these people shouldn't even have the right to breed in the first place!.....stop moaning and excusing yourselves, it's the law so follow it! boo2005
  • Score: 5

10:22am Sat 9 Aug 14

Vigilia says...

Do these rules apply to travellers?
Do these rules apply to travellers? Vigilia
  • Score: 34

10:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

Juliusinnit says...

Must have been a sub-standard sub editor who came up with that line!

"Increase in parents fined for their children's truancy" would have been better, but oh no, the sub thought they had to create dramatic effect in the headline. Pity their rocket backfired!
Must have been a sub-standard sub editor who came up with that line! "Increase in parents fined for their children's truancy" would have been better, but oh no, the sub thought they had to create dramatic effect in the headline. Pity their rocket backfired! Juliusinnit
  • Score: 2

10:45am Sat 9 Aug 14

paulforrest says...

Has the missing school rocket been found yet?
Has the missing school rocket been found yet? paulforrest
  • Score: 10

10:49am Sat 9 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

This is tricky one because there is a lot of data available showing a MASSIVE correlation between attendance and attainment. At my eldest son's school the correlation is quite dramatic.

However I sense that low attendance is more due to other factors, e.g. laziness, rather than term-time holidays. Having said that there are some parents who still take their children out of school in their final GCSE year, which is ridiculous.

It's difficult to get the balance right. I don't see what was wrong with the previous system where the head had more discretion. The government seems to want to give heads more powers in some respects e.g. Academies & Free Schools, but not others.
This is tricky one because there is a lot of data available showing a MASSIVE correlation between attendance and attainment. At my eldest son's school the correlation is quite dramatic. However I sense that low attendance is more due to other factors, e.g. laziness, rather than term-time holidays. Having said that there are some parents who still take their children out of school in their final GCSE year, which is ridiculous. It's difficult to get the balance right. I don't see what was wrong with the previous system where the head had more discretion. The government seems to want to give heads more powers in some respects e.g. Academies & Free Schools, but not others. Quiterie
  • Score: 14

11:41am Sat 9 Aug 14

fredaj says...

Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse.

And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable.

Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head.
Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse. And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable. Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head. fredaj
  • Score: -13

11:43am Sat 9 Aug 14

fredaj says...

Juliusinnit wrote:
Must have been a sub-standard sub editor who came up with that line!

"Increase in parents fined for their children's truancy" would have been better, but oh no, the sub thought they had to create dramatic effect in the headline. Pity their rocket backfired!
Perhaps he took too many weeks off school to go holidaying instead of taking part in boring, but highly educational, grammar classes.
[quote][p][bold]Juliusinnit[/bold] wrote: Must have been a sub-standard sub editor who came up with that line! "Increase in parents fined for their children's truancy" would have been better, but oh no, the sub thought they had to create dramatic effect in the headline. Pity their rocket backfired![/p][/quote]Perhaps he took too many weeks off school to go holidaying instead of taking part in boring, but highly educational, grammar classes. fredaj
  • Score: 10

11:49am Sat 9 Aug 14

fredaj says...

Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
Of course it disrupts learning.

How can missing a couple of weeks of lessons not disrupt learning?

You miss a couple of weeks worth of teaching plus homework and then have to make up the work from notes and teacher's time that should be being used elsewhere while, at the same time, carrying out all the follow up work that you are taking live.

Unless your child is exceptional, that is an extremely tall order, and it is also taking teaching time (and there could be a number of children in this position at any one time) from the other children.

It is selfish behaviour and it is disruptive behaviour. It is also unnecessary.

And if they miss something key - some kids never catch up.
[quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]Of course it disrupts learning. How can missing a couple of weeks of lessons not disrupt learning? You miss a couple of weeks worth of teaching plus homework and then have to make up the work from notes and teacher's time that should be being used elsewhere while, at the same time, carrying out all the follow up work that you are taking live. Unless your child is exceptional, that is an extremely tall order, and it is also taking teaching time (and there could be a number of children in this position at any one time) from the other children. It is selfish behaviour and it is disruptive behaviour. It is also unnecessary. And if they miss something key - some kids never catch up. fredaj
  • Score: -4

11:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

Wide Bertha says...

fredaj wrote:
Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse.

And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable.

Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head.
Anger pills are available via your GP
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse. And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable. Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head.[/p][/quote]Anger pills are available via your GP Wide Bertha
  • Score: 11

12:08pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Mrs Newcastle says...

Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.
[quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind. Mrs Newcastle
  • Score: 5

12:36pm Sat 9 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
How do you miss a school rocket?
don't go to school in Gaza ?
Except the rockets are going in the other direction.

Meanwhile it is a great problem for teachers when children are absent for any length of time. When they return a lot of time is wasted (yes wasted) on having to bring them up to the level of the other pupils who did not take time off. And it is the latter who are being held back while this is going on. I speak from several years of teaching experience and I know what a nuisance it is. Maybe the fines are not high enough.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: How do you miss a school rocket?[/p][/quote]don't go to school in Gaza ?[/p][/quote]Except the rockets are going in the other direction. Meanwhile it is a great problem for teachers when children are absent for any length of time. When they return a lot of time is wasted (yes wasted) on having to bring them up to the level of the other pupils who did not take time off. And it is the latter who are being held back while this is going on. I speak from several years of teaching experience and I know what a nuisance it is. Maybe the fines are not high enough. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 11

12:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

richardpowell40 says...

It's ok for the teachers to strike and force our kids to stay at home. If teachers are that keen for kids to learn then strike at weekends !!!
It's ok for the teachers to strike and force our kids to stay at home. If teachers are that keen for kids to learn then strike at weekends !!! richardpowell40
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Sat 9 Aug 14

rolivan says...

I think going to School could be made much more interesting if there were two groups one for the academics and one for those with technical skills.
I think going to School could be made much more interesting if there were two groups one for the academics and one for those with technical skills. rolivan
  • Score: 10

1:29pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control.

*Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s!
I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control. *Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 16

2:10pm Sat 9 Aug 14

boo2005 says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.
you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem!
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.[/p][/quote]you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem! boo2005
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Sat 9 Aug 14

fredaj says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control.

*Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s!
You have bright, academic orientated children - well done.

But what about the kids who are not so bright or those with parents who are no so bothered about them catching up the mixed work.

Or are you not bothered about them just as long as your family got cheap holidays?
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control. *Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s![/p][/quote]You have bright, academic orientated children - well done. But what about the kids who are not so bright or those with parents who are no so bothered about them catching up the mixed work. Or are you not bothered about them just as long as your family got cheap holidays? fredaj
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Sat 9 Aug 14

fredaj says...

rolivan wrote:
I think going to School could be made much more interesting if there were two groups one for the academics and one for those with technical skills.
With an eleven plus to divide the children into the required groups?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I think going to School could be made much more interesting if there were two groups one for the academics and one for those with technical skills.[/p][/quote]With an eleven plus to divide the children into the required groups? fredaj
  • Score: -3

5:17pm Sat 9 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

I missed the recent school rocket. When is the next one please?
I missed the recent school rocket. When is the next one please? NickBrt
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Brightonlad86 says...

A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody!

My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself.

All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them!
A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody! My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself. All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them! Brightonlad86
  • Score: 12

8:22pm Sat 9 Aug 14

sssuuueee says...

Ever since Falmer Stadium has been built Brighton has become not a nice place to live.
Kids behaving very badly (no doubt they follow the attitude of the players) and also they do not want to learn.
The parents let them play PlayStation all day.
My daughter is in her sixth year and has never missed a day.
Close Falmer Stadium and UP the fines I say.
Ever since Falmer Stadium has been built Brighton has become not a nice place to live. Kids behaving very badly (no doubt they follow the attitude of the players) and also they do not want to learn. The parents let them play PlayStation all day. My daughter is in her sixth year and has never missed a day. Close Falmer Stadium and UP the fines I say. sssuuueee
  • Score: -11

8:26pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody!

My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself.

All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them!
You clearly weren't at school the day they taught how to use apostrophes. Sorry to be pedantic, but it's pretty basic stuff. "GCSE's" ???!? Really?????
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody! My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself. All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them![/p][/quote]You clearly weren't at school the day they taught how to use apostrophes. Sorry to be pedantic, but it's pretty basic stuff. "GCSE's" ???!? Really????? Quiterie
  • Score: -8

8:34pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Tallywhacker says...

Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well.
Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well. Tallywhacker
  • Score: 5

8:37pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Brightonlad86 says...

Quiterie wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody!

My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself.

All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them!
You clearly weren't at school the day they taught how to use apostrophes. Sorry to be pedantic, but it's pretty basic stuff. "GCSE's" ???!? Really?????
A missed apostrophe here and there has not held me back! Perhaps being a decent, honest, hardworking person is more important than a small error with my grammar?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody! My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself. All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them![/p][/quote]You clearly weren't at school the day they taught how to use apostrophes. Sorry to be pedantic, but it's pretty basic stuff. "GCSE's" ???!? Really?????[/p][/quote]A missed apostrophe here and there has not held me back! Perhaps being a decent, honest, hardworking person is more important than a small error with my grammar? Brightonlad86
  • Score: 10

9:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse.

And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable.

Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head.
Anger pills are available via your GP
999 day in Hove cancelled due to threat of Bertha

Oh, Bertha! I didn't mean it. I was only joking.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Taking children out of school so Mummy and Daddy can get a cheap week sitting on a beach is disgusting behaviour and rather than fines should result in a prison sentence for child abuse. And no - it is NOT educational. That is just a line used to defend the indefensible, allowing them to pretend their abhorrent behaviour is justifiable. Obviously special cases should still be allowed at the discretion of the school head.[/p][/quote]Anger pills are available via your GP[/p][/quote]999 day in Hove cancelled due to threat of Bertha Oh, Bertha! I didn't mean it. I was only joking. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -2

1:33am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

sssuuueee wrote:
Ever since Falmer Stadium has been built Brighton has become not a nice place to live.
Kids behaving very badly (no doubt they follow the attitude of the players) and also they do not want to learn.
The parents let them play PlayStation all day.
My daughter is in her sixth year and has never missed a day.
Close Falmer Stadium and UP the fines I say.
what s a playstation ?
[quote][p][bold]sssuuueee[/bold] wrote: Ever since Falmer Stadium has been built Brighton has become not a nice place to live. Kids behaving very badly (no doubt they follow the attitude of the players) and also they do not want to learn. The parents let them play PlayStation all day. My daughter is in her sixth year and has never missed a day. Close Falmer Stadium and UP the fines I say.[/p][/quote]what s a playstation ? whatevernext2013
  • Score: 4

1:38am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

boo2005 wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.
you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem!
if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ?
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.[/p][/quote]you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem![/p][/quote]if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ? whatevernext2013
  • Score: -3

1:42am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Vigilia wrote:
Do these rules apply to travellers?
that would depend on were the children were born
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: Do these rules apply to travellers?[/p][/quote]that would depend on were the children were born whatevernext2013
  • Score: 0

1:45am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

boo2005 wrote:
lorry27 wrote:
Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days.
in my day, my parents, who were both business people, talked to the headmaster, if they needed to take me out of school, outside of scheduled holiday times, which was always agreed, now it seems as if parents think that they have total rights over everything and everone!........ bloody hell, how times have changed!........some of these people shouldn't even have the right to breed in the first place!.....stop moaning and excusing yourselves, it's the law so follow it!
looks like your folks ,just done the very same as the parents your are slagging off do, or were you special people ?
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lorry27[/bold] wrote: Just another way for the Council to pocket some money! Family time vacations and the experience our children get from these are just as important as the education they receive. If children are off sick for a week they catch up on their return and the same goes for if they are on holiday. Cut us parents some slack, most of us do what we think is best for our children and if we were all on decent wages then we might be able to go in the school holidays but alas the greedy travel agents don't allow that by putting the prices up so we have no choice. I await the day that someone sues the council/school for loss of earnings due to inset days.[/p][/quote]in my day, my parents, who were both business people, talked to the headmaster, if they needed to take me out of school, outside of scheduled holiday times, which was always agreed, now it seems as if parents think that they have total rights over everything and everone!........ bloody hell, how times have changed!........some of these people shouldn't even have the right to breed in the first place!.....stop moaning and excusing yourselves, it's the law so follow it![/p][/quote]looks like your folks ,just done the very same as the parents your are slagging off do, or were you special people ? whatevernext2013
  • Score: 1

9:16am Sun 10 Aug 14

boo2005 says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.
you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem!
if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ?
'we' are indeed missing something.....the point!...parents ought to be, in every respect absolutely responsible for their offspring, these days far too many parents will allow the sprogs to become socially out of order, claiming no responibility for anything, they'd rather blame schools or the system, anyone but themselves, it shouldn't be one's right to breed freely!......sorry if that offends, but that's the case for the prosicuition!
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.[/p][/quote]you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem![/p][/quote]if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ?[/p][/quote]'we' are indeed missing something.....the point!...parents ought to be, in every respect absolutely responsible for their offspring, these days far too many parents will allow the sprogs to become socially out of order, claiming no responibility for anything, they'd rather blame schools or the system, anyone but themselves, it shouldn't be one's right to breed freely!......sorry if that offends, but that's the case for the prosicuition! boo2005
  • Score: 1

10:11am Sun 10 Aug 14

her professional says...

Tallywhacker wrote:
Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well.
Holidays abroad are not human rights.
If the schools started spreading holidays on some sort of rota system, all the cheap deals would disappear and holiday firms would just charge what are now peak prices all the time - result, nobody wins, and people who can currently benefit from a)lower prices and b) a holiday that isn't ruined by other peoples' uncontrolled kids running riot, will lose out.
When you have children just accept that you have to make sacrifices; if you must have your two weeks in the sun out of season, use contraception.
[quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well.[/p][/quote]Holidays abroad are not human rights. If the schools started spreading holidays on some sort of rota system, all the cheap deals would disappear and holiday firms would just charge what are now peak prices all the time - result, nobody wins, and people who can currently benefit from a)lower prices and b) a holiday that isn't ruined by other peoples' uncontrolled kids running riot, will lose out. When you have children just accept that you have to make sacrifices; if you must have your two weeks in the sun out of season, use contraception. her professional
  • Score: 3

10:47am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

boo2005 wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Paolokent wrote:
An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters”

THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours.

It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching.

Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.
The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.
you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem!
if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ?
'we' are indeed missing something.....the point!...parents ought to be, in every respect absolutely responsible for their offspring, these days far too many parents will allow the sprogs to become socially out of order, claiming no responibility for anything, they'd rather blame schools or the system, anyone but themselves, it shouldn't be one's right to breed freely!......sorry if that offends, but that's the case for the prosicuition!
from your posts you sound like an old bitter spinster , but as to breeding your just about have it right ,in a world you can now buy and sell babies ,in the same way you can buy a puppy or a car ,no wonder some have gone off the rails ,i blame the system, when i was a child it was my parents who made the rules who raised us knowing right from wrong ,now your a bad parent if you tell your children off or punish them for wrong doing ,when did parents lose control of there children ,i blame the nanny state
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paolokent[/bold] wrote: An East Sussex County Council spokesman said “any absence from school disrupts a child’s learning and every day matters” THIS IS NOT TRUE - this an unsubstantiated claim that is simply not true, a LIE in fact. It's repeated ad nauseum by those backing the new law, but it's patently untrue. A well-balanced child of primary school age could miss months of school and would soon catch up. As it happens I was 12 and had three months in hospital aged 12 - still got a first class honours. It's just rubbish to claim that kids missing days/weeks of school disrupts their learning. What disrupts their learning more than anything else is poor and average teaching. Being at school every day does NOT matter. Ongoing and persistent absence might matter, but an occasional day of school, or even a week, is generally a GOOD thing.[/p][/quote]The councils should be more worried about the special needs children in schools everyday who walk away failed by the school education system. You could be at school and learn nothing, its more of a holding pen for many children with special needs. It is a crime to waste a childs mind.[/p][/quote]you are so wrong and obviously biased, EVERY child should have the right to leave school properly educated!....I have two nephews in schooling, and I know what I'm talking about!......teaching in schools has gone 'pear-shaped' and it isn't all the school's fault, as governments are in charge but things have to change structurally and enormously for the system to work properly and surely there must be ONE person in one of these dreadful governments who might know the answer to this huge problem![/p][/quote]if any absence from school is bad for a child ,how come teachers can go on strike any time they fancy ,or schools can be closed for voting ,are we missing something ?[/p][/quote]'we' are indeed missing something.....the point!...parents ought to be, in every respect absolutely responsible for their offspring, these days far too many parents will allow the sprogs to become socially out of order, claiming no responibility for anything, they'd rather blame schools or the system, anyone but themselves, it shouldn't be one's right to breed freely!......sorry if that offends, but that's the case for the prosicuition![/p][/quote]from your posts you sound like an old bitter spinster , but as to breeding your just about have it right ,in a world you can now buy and sell babies ,in the same way you can buy a puppy or a car ,no wonder some have gone off the rails ,i blame the system, when i was a child it was my parents who made the rules who raised us knowing right from wrong ,now your a bad parent if you tell your children off or punish them for wrong doing ,when did parents lose control of there children ,i blame the nanny state whatevernext2013
  • Score: -1

10:50am Sun 10 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

her professional wrote:
Tallywhacker wrote:
Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well.
Holidays abroad are not human rights.
If the schools started spreading holidays on some sort of rota system, all the cheap deals would disappear and holiday firms would just charge what are now peak prices all the time - result, nobody wins, and people who can currently benefit from a)lower prices and b) a holiday that isn't ruined by other peoples' uncontrolled kids running riot, will lose out.
When you have children just accept that you have to make sacrifices; if you must have your two weeks in the sun out of season, use contraception.
you do hate children ,its the children of to day that will be the tax payers of your O A P pension ,the carers of tomorrow who will have to wipe your backside ,or do you think taxes grow on trees
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallywhacker[/bold] wrote: Must be nice to be able for the whole family to go on holiday together, what a pity that the mindless bureaucrats ruling our entire lives have now denied it to me. My works system fits in a family holiday once every six years during school breaks under this stupid tax. Maybe I should try the European court of human rights as we now have government law with no exceptions denying my family a holiday together. And it really is a lie that every day is important, ask anyone what years they went too school then pick any one or two weeks and ask them what they did. Not all of us work to the school year not all of us can pick and choose when we get our holidays. And seeing as the schools insist all the work and homework is available on the internet along with help and guidance for parents exactly what are these kids missing. My children don't even get issued text books anymore it's "all on the net". This is short and simply a tax as seen by the 90% increase. 90%...... there aren't more people doing it there are simply more demands for cash raising and this is an easy one. It would be a bit more palatable if my oldest hadn't spent the last two weeks of term watching DVDs all day at school, very educational that was. And so important for the rest of her life it will be as well.[/p][/quote]Holidays abroad are not human rights. If the schools started spreading holidays on some sort of rota system, all the cheap deals would disappear and holiday firms would just charge what are now peak prices all the time - result, nobody wins, and people who can currently benefit from a)lower prices and b) a holiday that isn't ruined by other peoples' uncontrolled kids running riot, will lose out. When you have children just accept that you have to make sacrifices; if you must have your two weeks in the sun out of season, use contraception.[/p][/quote]you do hate children ,its the children of to day that will be the tax payers of your O A P pension ,the carers of tomorrow who will have to wipe your backside ,or do you think taxes grow on trees whatevernext2013
  • Score: -1

11:43am Sun 10 Aug 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

fredaj wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control.

*Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s!
You have bright, academic orientated children - well done.

But what about the kids who are not so bright or those with parents who are no so bothered about them catching up the mixed work.

Or are you not bothered about them just as long as your family got cheap holidays?
No I didn't say that did I? And to turn your blinkered statement on its head: why should all families be punished and treated the same? It could even be used as a 'carrot': "Your parents have applied to take you out of school, but we won't give permission unless your behaviour and/or work improves."

There's so much more to life, so much more to education, than making sure schools tick all their OFSTED boxes. Well done to all the parents who are fighting this.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: I'm glad we're out of all this now. We used to take our kids out of school all the time* with NO negative effect on their educations. They both sailed through all their GCSEs and A levels, both got Firsts at uni and my daughter is now just writing up her thesis for her PhD. Consequently anybody who says this is anything to do with education is an idiot, rather it's all about control. *Mind you we might have been able to get them into school a bit more often if there had been a 'school rocket' available in the 1990s![/p][/quote]You have bright, academic orientated children - well done. But what about the kids who are not so bright or those with parents who are no so bothered about them catching up the mixed work. Or are you not bothered about them just as long as your family got cheap holidays?[/p][/quote]No I didn't say that did I? And to turn your blinkered statement on its head: why should all families be punished and treated the same? It could even be used as a 'carrot': "Your parents have applied to take you out of school, but we won't give permission unless your behaviour and/or work improves." There's so much more to life, so much more to education, than making sure schools tick all their OFSTED boxes. Well done to all the parents who are fighting this. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:25pm Sun 10 Aug 14

boo2005 says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody!

My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself.

All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them!
absolute nonsense!....are we to start this pattern at pre-schoo agel?.......the rot would set in from the very beginning, not that it doesn't already with the lower classes!.........wha
t you are spouting is that sort of un-educated rubbish, well there is far too much of this happenning with sprogs today, thats why the whole thing is going down the drain, stop the thing at source, make parents completely responsible from the very start and punish them if THEY don't perform in bringing their kids up properly!
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: A week or two extra off school would not hurt anybody! My attendance record averaged at less than 70%. Despite missing so much school I still completed my exams, got my GCSE's and live a very happy life in a pretty successful job. The reason behind this? I wanted to learn but hated sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher drone on for hours on end. Instead, if I needed or wanted to know something I'd get off my **** and find the answers myself. All that matters is the attitude of the pupil! Not where and how they are taught, nor the person teaching them![/p][/quote]absolute nonsense!....are we to start this pattern at pre-schoo agel?.......the rot would set in from the very beginning, not that it doesn't already with the lower classes!.........wha t you are spouting is that sort of un-educated rubbish, well there is far too much of this happenning with sprogs today, thats why the whole thing is going down the drain, stop the thing at source, make parents completely responsible from the very start and punish them if THEY don't perform in bringing their kids up properly! boo2005
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