Firefighters to strike every day until Saturday

Firefighters are striking over pensions (stock photo)

Firefighters are striking over pensions (stock photo)

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FIREFIGHTERS are striking twice daily into the weekend as part of their ongoing dispute with the government over pensions.

Strikes started on Saturday and will take place every day this week, up to and including August 16, between noon and 2pm and between 10.59pm and 11.59pm.

The national Fire Brigades Union (FBU) is fighting Government plans to increase the amount firefighters pay towards their pensions and raise the retirement age.

Contingency crews for West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service attended two incidents during the strike on Monday night, a gas leak and a small fire.

East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service contingency crews attended one incident during the lunchtime strike yesterday (Tuesday): a person locked out of their home, with a grill on inside the property.

A spokesman for the service thanked the public for "ongoing vigilance."

The FBU says firefighters typically pay more than £4,000 per year towards their pensions from a £29,000 salary, set to increase in 2015.

The union has deemed the changes "unfair, unworkable and unaffordable".

The Government has said the deal is “fair and gives firefighters one of the most generous pensions in the public sector."

A spokesman for the Department for Communities and Local Government said: "The equivalent private pension pot would be worth over half a million pounds and require firefighters to contribute twice as much.”

Labour county councillors, meanwhile, are challenging proposals by West Sussex County Council and West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service to make £1.6 million of cuts from the service to cope with a Government funding shortfall.

Labour county councillor Michael Jones, Southgate and Crawley Central, said: "The cuts proposed are just a figure the Tory leadership have set, not necessarily what is safe or more efficient.”

The consultation is due to end on August 23.

Country Fire Officer Sean Ruth and Lionel Barnard, cabinet pember for public protection, say the service wants to emphasise prevention work.

In the consultation document, they add: “We will always respond to emergencies and firefighters will continue to be trained and equipped to the highest standards to deal with a wide range of incidents.”

Labour councillors are holding a meeting on Thursday August 21 at the Civic Hall, Crawley Town Hall, The Boulevard, RH10 1UZ, to discuss the cuts.

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8:49am Tue 12 Aug 14

homewood says...

I always have a lot of sympathy for firemen because of the dangerous job they do. I hope their pensions get sorted in a fair way for them.
I always have a lot of sympathy for firemen because of the dangerous job they do. I hope their pensions get sorted in a fair way for them. homewood
  • Score: 34

9:00am Tue 12 Aug 14

twonk says...

Greedy baskets. they get good pay now then retire at 50 and take another.
Greedy baskets. they get good pay now then retire at 50 and take another. twonk
  • Score: -37

9:08am Tue 12 Aug 14

Voice of Brighton says...

They pay more into their pension than anybody else. Risk their lives and just want to retire at the age that was agreed on the contract they signed (that's 55 not 50 btw twonk). Yep greedy bastards eh.
They pay more into their pension than anybody else. Risk their lives and just want to retire at the age that was agreed on the contract they signed (that's 55 not 50 btw twonk). Yep greedy bastards eh. Voice of Brighton
  • Score: 37

9:36am Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Voice of Brighton wrote:
They pay more into their pension than anybody else. Risk their lives and just want to retire at the age that was agreed on the contract they signed (that's 55 not 50 btw twonk). Yep greedy bastards eh.
If the contract in question states that the terms of employment could not in any way be altered, then the union would have pointed that out.

Further, such terms would prevent a future government from reducing the hours etc.

Isn't the pension scheme voluntary anyway?

From Sky News:

" Fire minister Brandon Lewis insisted the pensions package was still "one of the most generous" schemes in the public sector.

Firefighters earning £29,000 and retiring at 60 after a full career would receive a £19,000-a-year payout, rising to £26,000 with the state pension, he said.

"An equivalent private sector pension pot would be worth over half a million pounds and require firefighters to contribute twice as much," he added."

So they'll get only £3,000 per annum less once they retire.
[quote][p][bold]Voice of Brighton[/bold] wrote: They pay more into their pension than anybody else. Risk their lives and just want to retire at the age that was agreed on the contract they signed (that's 55 not 50 btw twonk). Yep greedy bastards eh.[/p][/quote]If the contract in question states that the terms of employment could not in any way be altered, then the union would have pointed that out. Further, such terms would prevent a future government from reducing the hours etc. Isn't the pension scheme voluntary anyway? From Sky News: " Fire minister Brandon Lewis insisted the pensions package was still "one of the most generous" schemes in the public sector. Firefighters earning £29,000 and retiring at 60 after a full career would receive a £19,000-a-year payout, rising to £26,000 with the state pension, he said. "An equivalent private sector pension pot would be worth over half a million pounds and require firefighters to contribute twice as much," he added." So they'll get only £3,000 per annum less once they retire. stevo!!
  • Score: -49

12:37pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Good to see so many thumbs down from people who are admitting I'm right but hate telling me.
Good to see so many thumbs down from people who are admitting I'm right but hate telling me. stevo!!
  • Score: -26

1:26pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Voice of Brighton says...

Not that line again, change the record will you.

I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.
Not that line again, change the record will you. I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity. Voice of Brighton
  • Score: 30

2:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Voice of Brighton wrote:
Not that line again, change the record will you.

I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.
If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something?

You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.
[quote][p][bold]Voice of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Not that line again, change the record will you. I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.[/p][/quote]If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something? You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable. stevo!!
  • Score: -19

2:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Voice of Brighton wrote:
Not that line again, change the record will you.

I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.
If I'm so stupid, how come that you have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something?

You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.
[quote][p][bold]Voice of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Not that line again, change the record will you. I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.[/p][/quote]If I'm so stupid, how come that you have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something? You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable. stevo!!
  • Score: -22

3:05pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Ambo Guy says...

You're not getting it are you Stevo. I think the point he was making is that nobody really wants to get in a discussion with someone a nasty racist thug like you about anything - they simply don't care what you think about anything. This whole 'no-one likes me I don't care' attitude is clearly your defence mechanism against this as you know that really everyone hates you on this forum. Why do you think that when someone suggested you hang yourself they got so many thumbs up? For example, I wouldn't bother entering into a discussion with someone who supported terrorism as they're just too far deluded to be able to have a sensible discussion with and it's the same with people like you. Im sure you'll come back with one of your standard lines but please try to remember that you're not wanted on this forum as we see you for what you are.
You're not getting it are you Stevo. I think the point he was making is that nobody really wants to get in a discussion with someone a nasty racist thug like you about anything - they simply don't care what you think about anything. This whole 'no-one likes me I don't care' attitude is clearly your defence mechanism against this as you know that really everyone hates you on this forum. Why do you think that when someone suggested you hang yourself they got so many thumbs up? For example, I wouldn't bother entering into a discussion with someone who supported terrorism as they're just too far deluded to be able to have a sensible discussion with and it's the same with people like you. Im sure you'll come back with one of your standard lines but please try to remember that you're not wanted on this forum as we see you for what you are. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 15

3:12pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
You're not getting it are you Stevo. I think the point he was making is that nobody really wants to get in a discussion with someone a nasty racist thug like you about anything - they simply don't care what you think about anything. This whole 'no-one likes me I don't care' attitude is clearly your defence mechanism against this as you know that really everyone hates you on this forum. Why do you think that when someone suggested you hang yourself they got so many thumbs up? For example, I wouldn't bother entering into a discussion with someone who supported terrorism as they're just too far deluded to be able to have a sensible discussion with and it's the same with people like you. Im sure you'll come back with one of your standard lines but please try to remember that you're not wanted on this forum as we see you for what you are.
I don't support terrorism, so you have me confused with someone else.

It was established a while back, AmboGay, that you're racist towards the English and that you dislike gays. Not that that matters, of course.....what matters is that in every discussion you've attempted to have with me on here, you've been shown how ignorant and bigoted you are. Witness the 'thug' comment - you have no grounds for that other than your prejudice against those who make you look stupid.

I didn't come on here to be popular, but it is clear that people like you crave popularity from total strangers.

I shall continue to post as I always have , by referring to the facts, questioning post and report content, and exposing ignorant bigots like you.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: You're not getting it are you Stevo. I think the point he was making is that nobody really wants to get in a discussion with someone a nasty racist thug like you about anything - they simply don't care what you think about anything. This whole 'no-one likes me I don't care' attitude is clearly your defence mechanism against this as you know that really everyone hates you on this forum. Why do you think that when someone suggested you hang yourself they got so many thumbs up? For example, I wouldn't bother entering into a discussion with someone who supported terrorism as they're just too far deluded to be able to have a sensible discussion with and it's the same with people like you. Im sure you'll come back with one of your standard lines but please try to remember that you're not wanted on this forum as we see you for what you are.[/p][/quote]I don't support terrorism, so you have me confused with someone else. It was established a while back, AmboGay, that you're racist towards the English and that you dislike gays. Not that that matters, of course.....what matters is that in every discussion you've attempted to have with me on here, you've been shown how ignorant and bigoted you are. Witness the 'thug' comment - you have no grounds for that other than your prejudice against those who make you look stupid. I didn't come on here to be popular, but it is clear that people like you crave popularity from total strangers. I shall continue to post as I always have , by referring to the facts, questioning post and report content, and exposing ignorant bigots like you. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -14

7:51pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Ambo Guy says...

F*** me that whole post went straight over your head didn't it?

Not the sharpest tool in the box is our Stevo.
F*** me that whole post went straight over your head didn't it? Not the sharpest tool in the box is our Stevo. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
F*** me that whole post went straight over your head didn't it?

Not the sharpest tool in the box is our Stevo.
Which post?

The one in which you lied about never having bothered to discuss a thread with me? You had, but the fact is that I showed what a racist bigot you are and that you don't like gays.

Was it the post in which you lied about me claiming to support terrorism?

The one you accused me of being a thug without bothering to explain how you arrived at that?

You're an ignorant, prejudiced, bigoted ****, AmboGay.....none of THOSE posts go over my head.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: F*** me that whole post went straight over your head didn't it? Not the sharpest tool in the box is our Stevo.[/p][/quote]Which post? The one in which you lied about never having bothered to discuss a thread with me? You had, but the fact is that I showed what a racist bigot you are and that you don't like gays. Was it the post in which you lied about me claiming to support terrorism? The one you accused me of being a thug without bothering to explain how you arrived at that? You're an ignorant, prejudiced, bigoted ****, AmboGay.....none of THOSE posts go over my head. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Tue 12 Aug 14

wippasnapper says...

stevo!! wrote:
Voice of Brighton wrote:
Not that line again, change the record will you.

I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.
If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something?

You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.
Why try proving your wrong on something, why argue with someone that is always going to get there point across regardless of what others say.

The fact remains firefighters would risk there lives trying to save a sad stupid person like you who dose nothing but put them down for something they are standing up for it may be a member of your family they are cutting out of that crushed car on the bypass or pumping your home out after it has been flooded but o’ you dote think they deserve a good retirement settlement after all they have dun to keep you safe…

I tell you what you do there job for a month go into a burning house to rescue someone or see the blood and guts of people killed on the roads or rescues someone’s cat from the tree and all the other jobs they have to do on a daily bases before you go giving your stupid opinions I’m shore you would think differently.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Voice of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Not that line again, change the record will you. I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.[/p][/quote]If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something? You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.[/p][/quote]Why try proving your wrong on something, why argue with someone that is always going to get there point across regardless of what others say. The fact remains firefighters would risk there lives trying to save a sad stupid person like you who dose nothing but put them down for something they are standing up for it may be a member of your family they are cutting out of that crushed car on the bypass or pumping your home out after it has been flooded but o’ you dote think they deserve a good retirement settlement after all they have dun to keep you safe… I tell you what you do there job for a month go into a burning house to rescue someone or see the blood and guts of people killed on the roads or rescues someone’s cat from the tree and all the other jobs they have to do on a daily bases before you go giving your stupid opinions I’m shore you would think differently. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

11:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

wippasnapper wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Voice of Brighton wrote:
Not that line again, change the record will you.

I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.
If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something?

You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.
Why try proving your wrong on something, why argue with someone that is always going to get there point across regardless of what others say.

The fact remains firefighters would risk there lives trying to save a sad stupid person like you who dose nothing but put them down for something they are standing up for it may be a member of your family they are cutting out of that crushed car on the bypass or pumping your home out after it has been flooded but o’ you dote think they deserve a good retirement settlement after all they have dun to keep you safe…

I tell you what you do there job for a month go into a burning house to rescue someone or see the blood and guts of people killed on the roads or rescues someone’s cat from the tree and all the other jobs they have to do on a daily bases before you go giving your stupid opinions I’m shore you would think differently.
Actions like this show that some firefighters only join up because of the benefits.

Real firefighters would stay on duty doing their job whilst their union negotiated on their behalf.

Oh, and getting one's point across is what we are supposed to do on these forums.....what a shame I had to point that out to you.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Voice of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Not that line again, change the record will you. I think it's more that most people on here have you sussed out and now know that you're an absolute c**t and realise that trying to reason with you is pointless due to your utter stupidity.[/p][/quote]If I'm so stupid, how come that have NEVER discussed the content of my posts and proven that I'm wrong on something? You made comments on here about contracts which bore no relation to reality., and the person who corrected you is someone who you think is stupid. Your anger at being corrected is understandable.[/p][/quote]Why try proving your wrong on something, why argue with someone that is always going to get there point across regardless of what others say. The fact remains firefighters would risk there lives trying to save a sad stupid person like you who dose nothing but put them down for something they are standing up for it may be a member of your family they are cutting out of that crushed car on the bypass or pumping your home out after it has been flooded but o’ you dote think they deserve a good retirement settlement after all they have dun to keep you safe… I tell you what you do there job for a month go into a burning house to rescue someone or see the blood and guts of people killed on the roads or rescues someone’s cat from the tree and all the other jobs they have to do on a daily bases before you go giving your stupid opinions I’m shore you would think differently.[/p][/quote]Actions like this show that some firefighters only join up because of the benefits. Real firefighters would stay on duty doing their job whilst their union negotiated on their behalf. Oh, and getting one's point across is what we are supposed to do on these forums.....what a shame I had to point that out to you. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

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