Brighton and Hove bus drivers’ dismay at 2.15% pay offer

Buses from Brighton and Hove Bus Company in Western Road, Brighton

Buses from Brighton and Hove Bus Company in Western Road, Brighton

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Bus drivers are embroiled in a pay dispute with bosses after turning down a 2% rise in wages.

Unite the Union members at Brighton and Hove Bus Company have now been handed an improved offer of 2.15%, which will be decided on in the coming weeks.

However, one driver told The Argus the decision on the new deal was “by no means cut and dry”.

If rejected, the union representative said they would “take stock” before deciding on their next course of action.

She said there were no plans at present for industrial action.

The pay dispute goes back to last month when staff were offered a 2% rise in wages.

Around 80% of union members turned down the proposal, leading bus bosses to prepare a revised offer.

One driver, who asked to remain anonymous, said there was ill feeling between many members of staff and the chief executive Martin Harris after he proposed changing previous flexible shift patterns to a standard working week.

He said: “Many of the drivers have families and they look after the kids during the day before going to work in the evening.

“That ties in with what their partner is doing.

“The new proposals were not popular at all and I think they had an impact on the vote.”

He said it was difficult to say how the new ballot would go, but said there was a feeling among staff that they were not getting a fair deal.

He said: “If we are bringing in these huge profits in such difficult economic times then I think we should be rewarded. We are the ones who go out there and earn them that profit.

“They are not reducing the fares and the money is certainly not going to staff. It is all going to their shareholders. So all this money being spent by people from Brighton in Brighton is not staying in Brighton.”

Janet Henney, Unite rep for Brighton and Hove Buses, said members would be voting on the proposals in the near future.

She added: “We are in ongoing negotiations with the bus company and they have put forward an offer.”

Kevin Carey, operations director at Brighton and Hove Buses, added: “Discussions have been held with our staff representatives over several meetings.

“Staff will have the opportunity to vote on this offer when it is taken to ballot and it would be inappropriate to comment further while staff representatives continue consulting with their members”.

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7:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

Youlikemyjugs says...

2% was more than enough to drive a stinky ol' bus!
2% was more than enough to drive a stinky ol' bus! Youlikemyjugs
  • Score: -25

8:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

Seagull John says...

I can't remember the last time I had a pay ris that even hit a full 1%!
I can't remember the last time I had a pay ris that even hit a full 1%! Seagull John
  • Score: 40

8:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

A 2% offer, then a 2.15% offer?

Typical...... you wait ages for an offer and then two come along at once........
A 2% offer, then a 2.15% offer? Typical...... you wait ages for an offer and then two come along at once........ Quiterie
  • Score: 49

8:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

worthingite says...

Dangerous people on the road, cabbies hate them
Dangerous people on the road, cabbies hate them worthingite
  • Score: -46

8:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

worthingite says...

Dangerous people on the road, cabbies hate them, by the way, this argus website feels very tired and out of date, same logo and typeface, could do better, maybe start at the top and work down through the management with a big broom.
Dangerous people on the road, cabbies hate them, by the way, this argus website feels very tired and out of date, same logo and typeface, could do better, maybe start at the top and work down through the management with a big broom. worthingite
  • Score: -28

8:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

spa301 says...

Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted. spa301
  • Score: 66

8:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

albion seagull says...

Wish i could have a pay rise I'd take 2%. Haven't had a pay rise for 4 yrs !
Wish i could have a pay rise I'd take 2%. Haven't had a pay rise for 4 yrs ! albion seagull
  • Score: 34

8:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

And what is the driver's justification for a pay rise? Are they being more productive?

And how much will fares have to rise for the rest of us not blessed with regular 'cost of living' increases to fund their pay rise.

Welcome to the real world - perhaps time for the B&H Buses effective monopoly to be broken and for the company, the unions, and drivers to look at how to reduce costs and improve services for customers?
And what is the driver's justification for a pay rise? Are they being more productive? And how much will fares have to rise for the rest of us not blessed with regular 'cost of living' increases to fund their pay rise. Welcome to the real world - perhaps time for the B&H Buses effective monopoly to be broken and for the company, the unions, and drivers to look at how to reduce costs and improve services for customers? G Wiley
  • Score: -2

8:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

NathanAdler says...

If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too. NathanAdler
  • Score: 10

8:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

BradleyWiggins says...

NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...
NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union... BradleyWiggins
  • Score: 21

9:07am Wed 13 Aug 14

Morpheus says...

If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.
If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together. Morpheus
  • Score: 6

9:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jagmanmc says...

I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years!
Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing).

Get over it, we have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government.
Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport.
Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period.

How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses?
I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years! Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing). Get over it, we have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government. Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport. Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period. How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses? Jagmanmc
  • Score: 17

9:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jagmanmc says...

I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years!
Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing).

Get over it, you are lucky to be offered a pay rise! We have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government.
Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport.
Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period.

How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses?
I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years! Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing). Get over it, you are lucky to be offered a pay rise! We have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government. Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport. Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period. How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses? Jagmanmc
  • Score: 0

9:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

spa301 says...

It's all very well saying there should be more bus company competition but a new modern bus costs hundreds of thousands of pounds each, a depot (which by it's nature would need to be large) would also be an enormous expense. Which company could contemplate those sort of start up costs? It would take years to make a profit.
There is the Big Lemon bus company but if you've seen their buses, they look like their on their last legs! As far as I'm aware they purchase them off companies such as B&H buses once they've been considered as well past their useful lifespan.
It's all very well saying there should be more bus company competition but a new modern bus costs hundreds of thousands of pounds each, a depot (which by it's nature would need to be large) would also be an enormous expense. Which company could contemplate those sort of start up costs? It would take years to make a profit. There is the Big Lemon bus company but if you've seen their buses, they look like their on their last legs! As far as I'm aware they purchase them off companies such as B&H buses once they've been considered as well past their useful lifespan. spa301
  • Score: 19

10:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

worthingite says...

spa301 wrote:
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.[/p][/quote]Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians... worthingite
  • Score: -18

10:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

Perhaps we should tie pay for bus drivers to MP's salaries?
Perhaps we should tie pay for bus drivers to MP's salaries? Goldenwight
  • Score: -5

10:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

spa301 says...

worthingite wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...
No not a bus driver. I wouldn't have the skill or patience. You make 'taking out pedestrians' to be some kind of sick competition. To compare taxis and buses within this 'list' you quote is ridiculous and juvenile and really not worth of further comment.
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.[/p][/quote]Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...[/p][/quote]No not a bus driver. I wouldn't have the skill or patience. You make 'taking out pedestrians' to be some kind of sick competition. To compare taxis and buses within this 'list' you quote is ridiculous and juvenile and really not worth of further comment. spa301
  • Score: 38

10:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

Given the size of most bus drivers, I suspect that the extra money will be spent on pies.
Given the size of most bus drivers, I suspect that the extra money will be spent on pies. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 8

10:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

s&k says...

NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
My mate in the Midlands gets nearly £33k for driving a bus. Most graduates would kill for that.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]My mate in the Midlands gets nearly £33k for driving a bus. Most graduates would kill for that. s&k
  • Score: 19

10:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

bus nut says...

lets not forget this is just 24P more per hour the coffee out of the vending machine costs 30p so lets not start hanging the bus drivers just yet go-ahead posted over £9million profit this year and this is after buying all these new buses throughout the group and each bus costs in excess of 100K now who's taking the P155
lets not forget this is just 24P more per hour the coffee out of the vending machine costs 30p so lets not start hanging the bus drivers just yet go-ahead posted over £9million profit this year and this is after buying all these new buses throughout the group and each bus costs in excess of 100K now who's taking the P155 bus nut
  • Score: 22

10:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

lizzy1 says...

Morpheus wrote:
If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.
Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.[/p][/quote]Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really lizzy1
  • Score: 44

11:25am Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

lizzy1 wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.
Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really
So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times?

The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses.
[quote][p][bold]lizzy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.[/p][/quote]Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really[/p][/quote]So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times? The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

11:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

SonnyJim55 says...

If the bus drivers go on strike does this mean the car drivers can use the bus lanes? If so I am all for it!
If the bus drivers go on strike does this mean the car drivers can use the bus lanes? If so I am all for it! SonnyJim55
  • Score: 17

12:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Man of steel says...

If bus nut is correct with his figure, which I assume is based on 2% as it so exact at 24p, then that means drivers are earning £480pw, £24960py, and the increase will give them another £499.
That is a wage most people could only dream about, let alone the increase.
So the rise is "only" 24p, and the coffee costs 30p, how many cups do you drink an hour, and how many do you drink whilst driving?
If bus nut is correct with his figure, which I assume is based on 2% as it so exact at 24p, then that means drivers are earning £480pw, £24960py, and the increase will give them another £499. That is a wage most people could only dream about, let alone the increase. So the rise is "only" 24p, and the coffee costs 30p, how many cups do you drink an hour, and how many do you drink whilst driving? Man of steel
  • Score: -5

1:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

FatherTed11 says...

Greedy sods. They already get paid too much for doing a poor job.
Greedy sods. They already get paid too much for doing a poor job. FatherTed11
  • Score: -18

1:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Wide Bertha says...

NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
Capitalism gives us freedom ?

We go to work everyday
To buy things we don't need
With someone elses money
And we think we are free......
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]Capitalism gives us freedom ? We go to work everyday To buy things we don't need With someone elses money And we think we are free...... Wide Bertha
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Number Six says...

I thought they all had second jobs. Stunt drivers in Bond movies. Last time I got off a bus in Brighton along to Newhaven I felt physically sick after being slung around the place. Worse than a fairground ride
I thought they all had second jobs. Stunt drivers in Bond movies. Last time I got off a bus in Brighton along to Newhaven I felt physically sick after being slung around the place. Worse than a fairground ride Number Six
  • Score: -6

1:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Wide Bertha wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
Capitalism gives us freedom ?

We go to work everyday
To buy things we don't need
With someone elses money
And we think we are free......
You might be the kind of idiot who buys things you don't need, but most normal people buy things in order to live.
[quote][p][bold]Wide Bertha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]Capitalism gives us freedom ? We go to work everyday To buy things we don't need With someone elses money And we think we are free......[/p][/quote]You might be the kind of idiot who buys things you don't need, but most normal people buy things in order to live. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

1:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

A Watcher says...

With RPI (inflation rate including housing costs) at 2.6% the offer is still an effective pay cut. More power to the drivers. Better to pay more locally (which gets re-spent locally) than profit the shareholders.
With RPI (inflation rate including housing costs) at 2.6% the offer is still an effective pay cut. More power to the drivers. Better to pay more locally (which gets re-spent locally) than profit the shareholders. A Watcher
  • Score: 21

1:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Mrs Newcastle says...

It may seem that bus drivers are paid to drive the bus, but i thought it was one of those jobs where your paid to suck up abuse from member of the public on a daily basis.
It may seem that bus drivers are paid to drive the bus, but i thought it was one of those jobs where your paid to suck up abuse from member of the public on a daily basis. Mrs Newcastle
  • Score: 25

1:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
It may seem that bus drivers are paid to drive the bus, but i thought it was one of those jobs where your paid to suck up abuse from member of the public on a daily basis.
You get abused if you deserved it.

If you upset the public, don't be surprised when they respond.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: It may seem that bus drivers are paid to drive the bus, but i thought it was one of those jobs where your paid to suck up abuse from member of the public on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]You get abused if you deserved it. If you upset the public, don't be surprised when they respond. stevo!!
  • Score: -15

2:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

worthingite says...

worthingite wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...
spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day.....
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.[/p][/quote]Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...[/p][/quote]spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day..... worthingite
  • Score: 8

2:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Zamora251 says...

I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!!
I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!! Zamora251
  • Score: 21

2:54pm Wed 13 Aug 14

spa301 says...

worthingite wrote:
worthingite wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...
spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day.....
Don't worry the school holidays will be over soon and you can take your childish remarks back to the playground.
[quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.[/p][/quote]Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...[/p][/quote]spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day.....[/p][/quote]Don't worry the school holidays will be over soon and you can take your childish remarks back to the playground. spa301
  • Score: 11

3:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

spa301 wrote:
worthingite wrote:
worthingite wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills.

The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.
Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...
spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day.....
Don't worry the school holidays will be over soon and you can take your childish remarks back to the playground.
Don't worry.....when someone calls you a troll for no reason, they are admitting that your posts are far too advanced for them to discuss.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worthingite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Worthingite .....and of course everyone loves taxi drivers don't they!? Self important kings of the road with little or no street knowledge and zero driving skills. The rich get richer and the workers get shafted.[/p][/quote]Bus driver by chance? I am not a cabbie, but bus drivers are on the top of the list when it comes to taking out pedestrians...[/p][/quote]spa301 You do blow a lot of hot air, always judging people on here, you have made more comments on this website than any normal troll, you must get a job one day.....[/p][/quote]Don't worry the school holidays will be over soon and you can take your childish remarks back to the playground.[/p][/quote]Don't worry.....when someone calls you a troll for no reason, they are admitting that your posts are far too advanced for them to discuss. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

4:20pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ambo Guy says...

BradleyWiggins wrote:
NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...
Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.
[quote][p][bold]BradleyWiggins[/bold] wrote: NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...[/p][/quote]Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 22

4:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

spa301 says...

NHS workers are shockingly underpaid public sector workers doing outstanding work, but I fail to see why the Unite union should somehow settle for the same shameful treatment for their private sector workers whose company are showing good profits.
NHS workers are shockingly underpaid public sector workers doing outstanding work, but I fail to see why the Unite union should somehow settle for the same shameful treatment for their private sector workers whose company are showing good profits. spa301
  • Score: 14

6:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rita Snatch says...

I have had THREE pay CUTS over the past 10 years ... I would welcome any increase in my pay, especially if it could be improved to my salary level of 25 years ago.... but just 1% would make me very happy as it is an improvement for a change.
I have had THREE pay CUTS over the past 10 years ... I would welcome any increase in my pay, especially if it could be improved to my salary level of 25 years ago.... but just 1% would make me very happy as it is an improvement for a change. Rita Snatch
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
BradleyWiggins wrote:
NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...
Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.
MPs have not been awarded 11%.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BradleyWiggins[/bold] wrote: NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...[/p][/quote]Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.[/p][/quote]MPs have not been awarded 11%. HJarrs
  • Score: -7

7:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Good on the bus drivers. I hope are successful pushing back more restrictive working practices and increasing their pay rise. B&H buses is exceptionally profitable and you can bet their owners will be trousering a tidy proportion of this. The bus drivers and all those that work together at B&H buses together form the business and create the profit, but do not share the rewards.
Good on the bus drivers. I hope are successful pushing back more restrictive working practices and increasing their pay rise. B&H buses is exceptionally profitable and you can bet their owners will be trousering a tidy proportion of this. The bus drivers and all those that work together at B&H buses together form the business and create the profit, but do not share the rewards. HJarrs
  • Score: 11

8:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

yatman says...

HJarrs wrote:
Good on the bus drivers. I hope are successful pushing back more restrictive working practices and increasing their pay rise. B&H buses is exceptionally profitable and you can bet their owners will be trousering a tidy proportion of this. The bus drivers and all those that work together at B&H buses together form the business and create the profit, but do not share the rewards.
Yes Steve profitable because we subsidize them to the tune of 2 million quid out of our council tax.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Good on the bus drivers. I hope are successful pushing back more restrictive working practices and increasing their pay rise. B&H buses is exceptionally profitable and you can bet their owners will be trousering a tidy proportion of this. The bus drivers and all those that work together at B&H buses together form the business and create the profit, but do not share the rewards.[/p][/quote]Yes Steve profitable because we subsidize them to the tune of 2 million quid out of our council tax. yatman
  • Score: -1

8:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

blossom121 says...

Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.
Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos. blossom121
  • Score: 18

8:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

blossom121 says...

Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.
Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos. blossom121
  • Score: 14

8:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
BradleyWiggins wrote:
NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...
Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.
MPs have not been awarded 11%.
They haven't received it, as it's due after the next election.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BradleyWiggins[/bold] wrote: NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...[/p][/quote]Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.[/p][/quote]MPs have not been awarded 11%.[/p][/quote]They haven't received it, as it's due after the next election. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

8:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

Rita Snatch wrote:
I have had THREE pay CUTS over the past 10 years ... I would welcome any increase in my pay, especially if it could be improved to my salary level of 25 years ago.... but just 1% would make me very happy as it is an improvement for a change.
Well, Get yourself down to Conway Street depot, ask for a form and apply
[quote][p][bold]Rita Snatch[/bold] wrote: I have had THREE pay CUTS over the past 10 years ... I would welcome any increase in my pay, especially if it could be improved to my salary level of 25 years ago.... but just 1% would make me very happy as it is an improvement for a change.[/p][/quote]Well, Get yourself down to Conway Street depot, ask for a form and apply ghost bus driver
  • Score: 9

9:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

Jagmanmc wrote:
I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years!
Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing).

Get over it, we have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government.
Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport.
Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins
", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period.

How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses?
Is that you volunteering to start your own company? Say what you like about Tom Druitt of the Big Lemon, he at least had a go.
[quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: I didn't have a pay rise for 5 years! Finally got around 2% this year (I work in manufacturing). Get over it, we have all had to pull in our belts due to the economic conditions which in part were caused by the mismanagement of the economy by the last government. Going on strike isn't going to help all those that rely on public transport. Just to agree with "BradleyWiggins ", My wife works in the NHS and has had hardly any pay rise over the same 5 year period. How about bringing back some competition for the Bus services, rather than keep subsidising Brighton and Hove Buses?[/p][/quote]Is that you volunteering to start your own company? Say what you like about Tom Druitt of the Big Lemon, he at least had a go. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 4

9:02pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

Zamora251 wrote:
I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!!
Of course if there was a strike he'd be out the door. The days of Roger French are long gone.
[quote][p][bold]Zamora251[/bold] wrote: I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!![/p][/quote]Of course if there was a strike he'd be out the door. The days of Roger French are long gone. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

stevo!! wrote:
lizzy1 wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.
Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really
So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times?

The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses.
Bus lanes with traffic jammed up on the way to them. Also schedules worked out using a 30mph speed limit (and no I do not speed - and none of us will be able to if the proposed GPS system is capable of what someone told me recently)) Bad roadworks as well as poorly sited bus stops. So if anyone says a general rethink is a good idea, I would most likely agree with them.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lizzy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.[/p][/quote]Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really[/p][/quote]So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times? The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses.[/p][/quote]Bus lanes with traffic jammed up on the way to them. Also schedules worked out using a 30mph speed limit (and no I do not speed - and none of us will be able to if the proposed GPS system is capable of what someone told me recently)) Bad roadworks as well as poorly sited bus stops. So if anyone says a general rethink is a good idea, I would most likely agree with them. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 8

9:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Given the size of most bus drivers, I suspect that the extra money will be spent on pies.
Not exactly. Most of the pies you get in our canteen are full of air with a little bit of gravy and maybe a pea and half a chicken nugget languishing in the bottom. You know the sort I mean...
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Given the size of most bus drivers, I suspect that the extra money will be spent on pies.[/p][/quote]Not exactly. Most of the pies you get in our canteen are full of air with a little bit of gravy and maybe a pea and half a chicken nugget languishing in the bottom. You know the sort I mean... ghost bus driver
  • Score: 5

11:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

The Real Phil says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
BradleyWiggins wrote:
NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...
Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.
I think that this is being unfair on MP's who are getting the recommended 11 %, but this deal also takes away many of their "perks" which was how they really made the extras. This pay deal for the MP's is a positive step for us ordinary tax payers. (They didn't really need the duck houses when there were so many legitimate expenses they could claim).
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BradleyWiggins[/bold] wrote: NHS workers get less than 1% if any rise at all. . Get a perspective on things, bus union...[/p][/quote]Very true. NHS workers are getting shafted. I think however that we shouldn't be comparing the bus drivers to NHS workers but instead MPs who have just been awarded a nice fat 11% increase. These are the people that are sitting up there laughing in their second homes while we argue about bus drivers getting an increase.[/p][/quote]I think that this is being unfair on MP's who are getting the recommended 11 %, but this deal also takes away many of their "perks" which was how they really made the extras. This pay deal for the MP's is a positive step for us ordinary tax payers. (They didn't really need the duck houses when there were so many legitimate expenses they could claim). The Real Phil
  • Score: -2

12:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
Zamora251 wrote:
I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!!
Of course if there was a strike he'd be out the door. The days of Roger French are long gone.
there will be no strike, unite have no balls or bite ,there is more chance of the homeless problem been sorted than unite taking their members out on strike
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zamora251[/bold] wrote: I'm willing to bet that Martin Harris, Chief Executive was offered a lot more then a 2.15% pay rise, he really is a dick with a capital D!![/p][/quote]Of course if there was a strike he'd be out the door. The days of Roger French are long gone.[/p][/quote]there will be no strike, unite have no balls or bite ,there is more chance of the homeless problem been sorted than unite taking their members out on strike whatevernext2013
  • Score: 3

12:57am Thu 14 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

blossom121 wrote:
Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.
and they are always looking for staff ,but i bet there wont be one of the moaners on here looking for a job ,as if there on benefits they are better off
[quote][p][bold]blossom121[/bold] wrote: Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.[/p][/quote]and they are always looking for staff ,but i bet there wont be one of the moaners on here looking for a job ,as if there on benefits they are better off whatevernext2013
  • Score: 4

1:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ?
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ? whatevernext2013
  • Score: 8

5:12am Thu 14 Aug 14

monkeymoo says...

Good luck to them (bus drivers), i hope they get what they want.

Just because I am not getting a pay rise, doesn't mean i wish that everyone else was dragged down to my level.
Such a shame that people think like that.
Good luck to them (bus drivers), i hope they get what they want. Just because I am not getting a pay rise, doesn't mean i wish that everyone else was dragged down to my level. Such a shame that people think like that. monkeymoo
  • Score: 10

5:12am Thu 14 Aug 14

Dave At Home says...

To put the company into prospective, they don't need to sell any advertising on the buses because they make too much from the revenue generated from the Council, the Government. the Rail companies (but they lost a lot of those contracts) and the passengers. I don't think the company is hard done by and could well afford a decent pay rise, after all driving in B&H is not a pleasant task or job.
To put the company into prospective, they don't need to sell any advertising on the buses because they make too much from the revenue generated from the Council, the Government. the Rail companies (but they lost a lot of those contracts) and the passengers. I don't think the company is hard done by and could well afford a decent pay rise, after all driving in B&H is not a pleasant task or job. Dave At Home
  • Score: 11

5:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

Jagmanmc says...

blossom121 wrote:
Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.
My Dad drove buses for Brighton Hove and District in the 50's.
They had inspectors around then and you got fines for being late or early, heavy traffic was no excuse!
[quote][p][bold]blossom121[/bold] wrote: Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.[/p][/quote]My Dad drove buses for Brighton Hove and District in the 50's. They had inspectors around then and you got fines for being late or early, heavy traffic was no excuse! Jagmanmc
  • Score: -6

8:26am Thu 14 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Jagmanmc wrote:
blossom121 wrote:
Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.
My Dad drove buses for Brighton Hove and District in the 50's.
They had inspectors around then and you got fines for being late or early, heavy traffic was no excuse!
Things were very different 60 years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Jagmanmc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blossom121[/bold] wrote: Have to say I am a bus driver in Brighton and am not surprised by all the bad comments. As I say to most people don't slag us until you have done the job. If it's so easy and you want the wages we get then apply. See how long you last. There are always reasons why buses are late 90% of time it is beyond the drivers fault. The bus lane in Lewes road does make it better but the road works at Brighton station and vogue gyratory don't. Also taxis blocking station and bottom of North Street also one lorry or car double parked can cause chaos.[/p][/quote]My Dad drove buses for Brighton Hove and District in the 50's. They had inspectors around then and you got fines for being late or early, heavy traffic was no excuse![/p][/quote]Things were very different 60 years ago. HJarrs
  • Score: 5

10:14am Thu 14 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

Realistically, B&H Buses / Go-Ahead / Govia is a private company and it is up to them to decide on what they can afford to pay drivers. After all, AFAIK the drivers have had above inflation pay increases for the past 4 years whilst the rest of us have had to suffer austerity.

However, if the end result of this is yet another above inflation increase in bus fares to fund the increase then we should be able to choose to switch to another transport company and/or there should be a government organising (akin to OFCOM or OFWAT) that controls prices when there is an effective monopoly.

So - yes - let the bus drivers get whatever increase they want - as long as we don't have to pay any more.

I do, though, find the comments justifying the increase laughable. Do you think bus drivers are the only workers that have to deal with the public?

How many of the commenters have ever worked for a real company where you never got cost-of-living increases and you had to work hard, get promotions, and switch jobs to get pay increases - rather than just doing the same job every day and expecting pay increases automatically every year?

Of course, this is what the extreme left-wing controlled greens (who still live in a 1970s' world of union-controlled negotiations, strikes, restrictive working practices and galloping inflation) want to see.

So let's see the bus drivers go on strike and let some other entrepreneurial company take over some of the business and force some real competition on to the buses.
Realistically, B&H Buses / Go-Ahead / Govia is a private company and it is up to them to decide on what they can afford to pay drivers. After all, AFAIK the drivers have had above inflation pay increases for the past 4 years whilst the rest of us have had to suffer austerity. However, if the end result of this is yet another above inflation increase in bus fares to fund the increase then we should be able to choose to switch to another transport company and/or there should be a government organising (akin to OFCOM or OFWAT) that controls prices when there is an effective monopoly. So - yes - let the bus drivers get whatever increase they want - as long as we don't have to pay any more. I do, though, find the comments justifying the increase laughable. Do you think bus drivers are the only workers that have to deal with the public? How many of the commenters have ever worked for a real company where you never got cost-of-living increases and you had to work hard, get promotions, and switch jobs to get pay increases - rather than just doing the same job every day and expecting pay increases automatically every year? Of course, this is what the extreme left-wing controlled greens (who still live in a 1970s' world of union-controlled negotiations, strikes, restrictive working practices and galloping inflation) want to see. So let's see the bus drivers go on strike and let some other entrepreneurial company take over some of the business and force some real competition on to the buses. G Wiley
  • Score: -7

10:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ?
@whatevernext2013 - So why are there never any jobs going?

On their web page it states: Driving Vacancies - We are currently not accepting new applications, please check back later for further opportunities.

In fact I have looked several times to get a job driving buses and there rarely seems to be any jobs going - especially for learner PSV drivers.

Perhaps this is indicative of the number of people that get jobs as drivers and then are quite happy and don't want to leave. In fact, from various drivers I have spoken to, it appears it is quite an easy job - if you have good personality and can drive.

Perhaps try comparing bus driving to many other jobs in the real world?
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ?[/p][/quote]@whatevernext2013 - So why are there never any jobs going? On their web page it states: Driving Vacancies - We are currently not accepting new applications, please check back later for further opportunities. In fact I have looked several times to get a job driving buses and there rarely seems to be any jobs going - especially for learner PSV drivers. Perhaps this is indicative of the number of people that get jobs as drivers and then are quite happy and don't want to leave. In fact, from various drivers I have spoken to, it appears it is quite an easy job - if you have good personality and can drive. Perhaps try comparing bus driving to many other jobs in the real world? G Wiley
  • Score: -2

12:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

lizzy1 says...

stevo!! wrote:
lizzy1 wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.
Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really
So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times?

The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses.
Bus lanes have been put in the busiest parts of Brighton but not every single bus route or the entire bus routes of any journey have dedicated bus lanes. i patiently await your next thrilling comment Stevo!!!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lizzy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: If we had a decent bus service a better pay rise might be justified. The service gets worse and worse. I can get buses on two routes for my usual journeys and they are very rarely on time. It took me an hour to get from Churchill Square last week when the journey time is 22 minutes and there should be six buses an hour. All the routes seem to be the same. The 7 service to the marina is hopeless these days with 2 or even 3 buses arriving together.[/p][/quote]Would the lateness of buses and the extended time of journeys not have more to do with the traffic in Brighton rather than the actual bus service it's self. A driver can not be held accountable for being stuck in traffic, pointless comment really[/p][/quote]So the bus lanes with which the place has been infested are having no effect on improving travelling times? The whole point of bus lanes is to ensure that traffic doesn't affect buses.[/p][/quote]Bus lanes have been put in the busiest parts of Brighton but not every single bus route or the entire bus routes of any journey have dedicated bus lanes. i patiently await your next thrilling comment Stevo!!! lizzy1
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8:08pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ghost bus driver says...

G Wiley wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
NathanAdler wrote:
If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable.

Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers?

Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west.

As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.
if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ?
@whatevernext2013 - So why are there never any jobs going?

On their web page it states: Driving Vacancies - We are currently not accepting new applications, please check back later for further opportunities.

In fact I have looked several times to get a job driving buses and there rarely seems to be any jobs going - especially for learner PSV drivers.

Perhaps this is indicative of the number of people that get jobs as drivers and then are quite happy and don't want to leave. In fact, from various drivers I have spoken to, it appears it is quite an easy job - if you have good personality and can drive.

Perhaps try comparing bus driving to many other jobs in the real world?
To be honest they don't update that page of the site as often as they ought to. perhaps you should try calling 886200 and asking someone. Otherwise just keep checking. You'll get the info before very long, and you can download the form from there as well. I do know they were holding selection days very recently. All I can say apart from that is good luck.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: If they don't like the deal, leave. 2% is more than reasonable. Do they moan about the shareholders getting the money when they buy a £500 TV or a £75 pair of trainers? Capitalism may not be for everybody, but it is what gives us freedom in the west. As for those saying workers are being shafted, £24,000 to drive a bus, which although is skilled, is still a working class job, is not bad in the scheme of things. Most shop workers earn around £15,000 and food workers even less. And they work weekends too.[/p][/quote]if the money is sooooooooo good,and the job so easy ,why are brighton and hove bus so short staffed all the time ?[/p][/quote]@whatevernext2013 - So why are there never any jobs going? On their web page it states: Driving Vacancies - We are currently not accepting new applications, please check back later for further opportunities. In fact I have looked several times to get a job driving buses and there rarely seems to be any jobs going - especially for learner PSV drivers. Perhaps this is indicative of the number of people that get jobs as drivers and then are quite happy and don't want to leave. In fact, from various drivers I have spoken to, it appears it is quite an easy job - if you have good personality and can drive. Perhaps try comparing bus driving to many other jobs in the real world?[/p][/quote]To be honest they don't update that page of the site as often as they ought to. perhaps you should try calling 886200 and asking someone. Otherwise just keep checking. You'll get the info before very long, and you can download the form from there as well. I do know they were holding selection days very recently. All I can say apart from that is good luck. ghost bus driver
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