March activist cleared as police reports differ

March activist cleared as police reports differ

March activist cleared as police reports differ

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Contradicting police stories of violence during March for England in Brighton in April has led to the case against a far-right supporter being thrown out of court.

Magistrates said Richard Kemp had no case to answer after officers gave different accounts of his behaviour on April 27 – one saying a chair was held above his head, the other that it was held close to the ground.

Mr Kemp, 39, of Gibbert Street, Halifax, West Yorkshire, was arrested for affray at midday during violence between demonstrators and counter-protesters in Duke Street, Brighton.

About 20 English Defence League supporters and 20 so-called ‘black bloc’ counter protesters hurled glasses and chairs at each other after the largely peaceful nationalist march descended into clashes in the centre of town.

Giving evidence at Brighton Magistrates’ Court on Thursday, PC Adam Creasy said he saw Mr Kemp holding a metal chair in front of him off the ground and concluded he planned to throw it.

However, PC Guy Williamson told the court he saw Mr Kemp from behind holding the chair “above his head as if to throw it” and agreed under cross examination that the chair was thrown.

Dismissing the case on application of the defence, chairwoman of the bench Daphne Bagshawe said: “It is our view that because of the inconsistencies in the accounts of the prosecution witnesses, no reasonable tribunal could convict the defendant.

“We agree with the submission that there is no case to answer.”

Mr Kemp, who had denied using threatening behaviour with intent, sobbed in the dock when he heard the decision.

The court was told he had missed the parade and was taken to hospital after his arrest with head and nose injuries.

He said he had been kicked in the head by counter-demonstrators while on the ground.

About 200 people took part in the nationalist march and were opposed by about 500 counter-protesters.

Six people arrested over disorder on the day have been given cautions or penalty notices, five have still to face trial, while police are looking for more people involved in violent disorder.

One person was fined £225 after admitting aggravated harassment.

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2:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

It seems the officers didn't get their stories straight, and couldn't make up their minds if the chair was thrown or not.

If it were, let's hope it did some serious good.
It seems the officers didn't get their stories straight, and couldn't make up their minds if the chair was thrown or not. If it were, let's hope it did some serious good. notslimjim
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2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Uberarticuno says...

Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it?
Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it? Uberarticuno
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2:48pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Uberarticuno wrote:
Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it?
Nice thought, but one officer claims to have stopped the man from raising the chair.

"PC Adam Creasy said he saw Mr Kemp holding a metal chair in front of him off the ground and concluded he planned to throw it. "

He therefore took the necessary action. If he didn't, he would have seen the same action as the other officer claimed.

It doesn't matter which officer was right - at least one of them was wrong, and that was all that the defence required to secure an acquittal.
[quote][p][bold]Uberarticuno[/bold] wrote: Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it?[/p][/quote]Nice thought, but one officer claims to have stopped the man from raising the chair. "PC Adam Creasy said he saw Mr Kemp holding a metal chair in front of him off the ground and concluded he planned to throw it. " He therefore took the necessary action. If he didn't, he would have seen the same action as the other officer claimed. It doesn't matter which officer was right - at least one of them was wrong, and that was all that the defence required to secure an acquittal. notslimjim
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3:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Uberarticuno says...

notslimjim wrote:
Uberarticuno wrote:
Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it?
Nice thought, but one officer claims to have stopped the man from raising the chair.

"PC Adam Creasy said he saw Mr Kemp holding a metal chair in front of him off the ground and concluded he planned to throw it. "

He therefore took the necessary action. If he didn't, he would have seen the same action as the other officer claimed.

It doesn't matter which officer was right - at least one of them was wrong, and that was all that the defence required to secure an acquittal.
Ah thank you for clearing that up for me.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uberarticuno[/bold] wrote: Isn't it possible that at one point the chair was close to the ground and at another point the man held the chair above his head as if to throw it?[/p][/quote]Nice thought, but one officer claims to have stopped the man from raising the chair. "PC Adam Creasy said he saw Mr Kemp holding a metal chair in front of him off the ground and concluded he planned to throw it. " He therefore took the necessary action. If he didn't, he would have seen the same action as the other officer claimed. It doesn't matter which officer was right - at least one of them was wrong, and that was all that the defence required to secure an acquittal.[/p][/quote]Ah thank you for clearing that up for me. Uberarticuno
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3:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 4

4:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals. notslimjim
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4:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city. Fight_Back
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4:32pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups. thevoiceoftruth
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4:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence. notslimjim
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4:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

4:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.
He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be?
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.[/p][/quote]He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be? thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

5:15pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.
He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be?
The March was open to all, so even if he were on it, it is incorrect of the Argus to thus describe him.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.[/p][/quote]He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be?[/p][/quote]The March was open to all, so even if he were on it, it is incorrect of the Argus to thus describe him. notslimjim
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5:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

And there is nothing in the report to suggest he's an 'activist', either.
And there is nothing in the report to suggest he's an 'activist', either. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.
He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be?
The March was open to all, so even if he were on it, it is incorrect of the Argus to thus describe him.
Yeah, of course. Like anyone on that march isn't a far right supporter. Anyway, good to know your new user name, Stevo.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]And the report doesn't say which 'side' Kemp is on.[/p][/quote]He is described as a 'far-right supporter.' How much clearer can it be?[/p][/quote]The March was open to all, so even if he were on it, it is incorrect of the Argus to thus describe him.[/p][/quote]Yeah, of course. Like anyone on that march isn't a far right supporter. Anyway, good to know your new user name, Stevo. thevoiceoftruth
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6:07pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Joeblogs63 says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies.

By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies. By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell! Joeblogs63
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6:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Joeblogs63 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies.

By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell!
I think you'll find huge support for groups like ISIS etc in Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogs63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies. By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell![/p][/quote]I think you'll find huge support for groups like ISIS etc in Brighton. notslimjim
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6:15pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

" Like anyone on that march isn't a far right supporter. "

He wasn't on the March.
" Like anyone on that march isn't a far right supporter. " He wasn't on the March. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.[/p][/quote]Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.
If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to.

Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.[/p][/quote]Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.[/p][/quote]If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to. Those who are patriotic to England know what to do. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

6:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
Joeblogs63 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies.

By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell!
I think you'll find huge support for groups like ISIS etc in Brighton.
I think you'll find there isn't huge support for groups like ISIS in Brighton. I imagine any march supporting ISIS would attract a massive counter protest. Do you live in Brighton per chance? It sounds like you don't know much about the place.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joeblogs63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies. By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell![/p][/quote]I think you'll find huge support for groups like ISIS etc in Brighton.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find there isn't huge support for groups like ISIS in Brighton. I imagine any march supporting ISIS would attract a massive counter protest. Do you live in Brighton per chance? It sounds like you don't know much about the place. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

6:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.
If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to.

Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.
So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.[/p][/quote]Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.[/p][/quote]If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to. Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.[/p][/quote]So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo! thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"I think you'll find there isn't huge support for groups like ISIS in Brighton."

So we disagree.

Isn't life lovely?
"I think you'll find there isn't huge support for groups like ISIS in Brighton." So we disagree. Isn't life lovely? notslimjim
  • Score: -3

6:28pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Joeblogs63 wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies.

By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell!
Ah, so where are you from? Sheffield?

No of course I don't object to Gay Pride - people dressing up and having fun, listening to music and dancing in the streets is what I call fun. It also brings a lot of visitors and trade to Brighton.

MfE will never pass off peacefully, or bring trade to the city. There really is no comparison to be made.
[quote][p][bold]Joeblogs63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals. Do you object to the gay pride march on the basis that not all those who attend are from Brighton? It would have passed off peacefully if it wasn't for the self hating morons who opposed them. It is they who spark off the violence and then blame March for England - the typical tactics of the left wing loonies. By the way, would those 500 'counter-protesters' be doing the same if 200 ISIS supporters were marching through Brighton? Would they hell![/p][/quote]Ah, so where are you from? Sheffield? No of course I don't object to Gay Pride - people dressing up and having fun, listening to music and dancing in the streets is what I call fun. It also brings a lot of visitors and trade to Brighton. MfE will never pass off peacefully, or bring trade to the city. There really is no comparison to be made. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"MfE will never pass off peacefully, or bring trade to the city."

The March is always peaceful.

If it weren't it wouldn't be allowed.

The Argus reported how pleased the police were with the conduct of those on the March.

As for trade, you've just hinted that beer gets drunk as a result of it. Do you seriously believe that the marchers bring their own? Local pubs benefit, just as they do on St Patrick's Day.
"MfE will never pass off peacefully, or bring trade to the city." The March is always peaceful. If it weren't it wouldn't be allowed. The Argus reported how pleased the police were with the conduct of those on the March. As for trade, you've just hinted that beer gets drunk as a result of it. Do you seriously believe that the marchers bring their own? Local pubs benefit, just as they do on St Patrick's Day. notslimjim
  • Score: -5

7:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Apparently the biggest cost arising from MfE was the damage caused to the road surface due to dragging knuckles.
Apparently the biggest cost arising from MfE was the damage caused to the road surface due to dragging knuckles. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

HJarrs wrote:
Apparently the biggest cost arising from MfE was the damage caused to the road surface due to dragging knuckles.
By the UAF crowd?

You might have a point.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Apparently the biggest cost arising from MfE was the damage caused to the road surface due to dragging knuckles.[/p][/quote]By the UAF crowd? You might have a point. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

7:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals."

Correct, and they shouldn't have to face a bunch of racists in order to do so.
"They were English people marching in England. They don't need an excuse to do so. It is their country as much as it is the locals." Correct, and they shouldn't have to face a bunch of racists in order to do so. notslimjim
  • Score: -1

7:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

west hove says...

Patriots? Yeah right. Previous attendee's have included people from the 'Stormfront' (neo Nazi) forum, the short lived English Golden Dawn (neo Nazi's), the racist English Defence Leagure, and the delightful Casuals United (racists). Here are a few useful links:

1) http://edlnews.co.uk
/index.php/home/edl-
nazis5/959-colin-mac
key-the-mfe-and-casu
als-nazi
2) http://edlnews.co.uk
/index.php/latestnew
s/1342-all-change-at
-casuals-united-jay-
butler-brighton
3) http://edlnews.co.uk
/index.php/latestnew
s/1080-far-right-ann
ounce-second-day-of-
violence-in-brighton


Seeing as these are from an anti fascist website I expect even the photos won't be proof enough for a certain person. Believe me there's more proof out there if you search. I expect all the Argus UKIP loons are aware of this as well which is why they're staying well clear of the Mfe mob.
Patriots? Yeah right. Previous attendee's have included people from the 'Stormfront' (neo Nazi) forum, the short lived English Golden Dawn (neo Nazi's), the racist English Defence Leagure, and the delightful Casuals United (racists). Here are a few useful links: 1) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/home/edl- nazis5/959-colin-mac key-the-mfe-and-casu als-nazi 2) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/latestnew s/1342-all-change-at -casuals-united-jay- butler-brighton 3) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/latestnew s/1080-far-right-ann ounce-second-day-of- violence-in-brighton Seeing as these are from an anti fascist website I expect even the photos won't be proof enough for a certain person. Believe me there's more proof out there if you search. I expect all the Argus UKIP loons are aware of this as well which is why they're staying well clear of the Mfe mob. west hove
  • Score: 4

7:31pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

west hove wrote:
Patriots? Yeah right. Previous attendee's have included people from the 'Stormfront' (neo Nazi) forum, the short lived English Golden Dawn (neo Nazi's), the racist English Defence Leagure, and the delightful Casuals United (racists). Here are a few useful links:

1) http://edlnews.co.uk

/index.php/home/edl-

nazis5/959-colin-mac

key-the-mfe-and-casu

als-nazi
2) http://edlnews.co.uk

/index.php/latestnew

s/1342-all-change-at

-casuals-united-jay-

butler-brighton
3) http://edlnews.co.uk

/index.php/latestnew

s/1080-far-right-ann

ounce-second-day-of-

violence-in-brighton



Seeing as these are from an anti fascist website I expect even the photos won't be proof enough for a certain person. Believe me there's more proof out there if you search. I expect all the Argus UKIP loons are aware of this as well which is why they're staying well clear of the Mfe mob.
But they're still patriots, right? Celebrating our national saint, right?

Oh, and not everyone on the march shares identical views on everything, so quit with the association stuff, because it makes you look desperate.
[quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: Patriots? Yeah right. Previous attendee's have included people from the 'Stormfront' (neo Nazi) forum, the short lived English Golden Dawn (neo Nazi's), the racist English Defence Leagure, and the delightful Casuals United (racists). Here are a few useful links: 1) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/home/edl- nazis5/959-colin-mac key-the-mfe-and-casu als-nazi 2) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/latestnew s/1342-all-change-at -casuals-united-jay- butler-brighton 3) http://edlnews.co.uk /index.php/latestnew s/1080-far-right-ann ounce-second-day-of- violence-in-brighton Seeing as these are from an anti fascist website I expect even the photos won't be proof enough for a certain person. Believe me there's more proof out there if you search. I expect all the Argus UKIP loons are aware of this as well which is why they're staying well clear of the Mfe mob.[/p][/quote]But they're still patriots, right? Celebrating our national saint, right? Oh, and not everyone on the march shares identical views on everything, so quit with the association stuff, because it makes you look desperate. notslimjim
  • Score: -8

10:05pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tr1stan says...

notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth Tr1stan
  • Score: 4

10:05pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tr1stan says...

notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
So to be clear I agree :-)
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]So to be clear I agree :-) Tr1stan
  • Score: -1

11:47pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth[/p][/quote]One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'. HTH notslimjim
  • Score: -2

12:04am Sat 16 Aug 14

Tr1stan says...

notslimjim wrote:
Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'.

HTH
Agreed. Hth
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth[/p][/quote]One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'. HTH[/p][/quote]Agreed. Hth Tr1stan
  • Score: 2

12:09am Sat 16 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'.

HTH
Agreed. Hth
Helps what?

You were given a fact which corrected your statement.
[quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth[/p][/quote]One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'. HTH[/p][/quote]Agreed. Hth[/p][/quote]Helps what? You were given a fact which corrected your statement. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

12:17am Sat 16 Aug 14

Tr1stan says...

notslimjim wrote:
Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'.

HTH
Agreed. Hth
Helps what?

You were given a fact which corrected your statement.
Lol
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth[/p][/quote]One has to be intelligent and reasonable in order to receive an education worthy of the term 'highly'. HTH[/p][/quote]Agreed. Hth[/p][/quote]Helps what? You were given a fact which corrected your statement.[/p][/quote]Lol Tr1stan
  • Score: 0

9:25am Sat 16 Aug 14

Nikski says...

Tr1stan wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.
Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated.

I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.
Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth
Quite right; unfortunately 'notslimjimstevo!!' is neither..... Lol
[quote][p][bold]Tr1stan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]And both groups are equally vile, stupid and brainless - oh and unwelcome in this city.[/p][/quote]Both groups live happily among you in the city, and some members will be highly educated. I agree with you that the troublesome elements on both sides may lack a degree of intelligence.[/p][/quote]Highly educated people do not automatically qualify as intelligent, reasonable people. Hth[/p][/quote]Quite right; unfortunately 'notslimjimstevo!!' is neither..... Lol Nikski
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sat 16 Aug 14

ourcoalition says...

Lets cut the crap.

March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth.

And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions.

And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here!
Lets cut the crap. March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth. And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions. And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here! ourcoalition
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Sat 16 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Lets cut the crap.

March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth.

And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions.

And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here!
Oddly enough, the police reported precisely zero instances of racism/salutes/etc.


"They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth. "

You mean the stewards?

Funnily enough, lots of events use those.

"And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia "

And the March had nothing to do with any of that.

And if Brighton people are so opposed to homophobia, how come the Council is congratulated for its stance on the rampant homophobia in local schools? How come the Argus reports about Pride events are littered with opposition, many linked to to the depravity of the thing?

This isn't the 1930s. This is the 21st Century, where people get vilified just for carrying an England flag.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Lets cut the crap. March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth. And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions. And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here![/p][/quote]Oddly enough, the police reported precisely zero instances of racism/salutes/etc. "They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth. " You mean the stewards? Funnily enough, lots of events use those. "And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia " And the March had nothing to do with any of that. And if Brighton people are so opposed to homophobia, how come the Council is congratulated for its stance on the rampant homophobia in local schools? How come the Argus reports about Pride events are littered with opposition, many linked to to the depravity of the thing? This isn't the 1930s. This is the 21st Century, where people get vilified just for carrying an England flag. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

9:06am Sun 17 Aug 14

JHunty says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Lets cut the crap.

March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth.

And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions.

And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here!
Just remind me, when were you asked by the people of Brighton to speak on their behalf?
What election did you win which gave you that right?
What election did the UAF win which gave them a mandate to go round pubs after the march and try and beat up anyone they didn't like the look of?
The violence carried out by those who oppose this march is far more of a threat to our democracy than the march itself.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Lets cut the crap. March for England do not come here to celebrate St George's Day - they come here to provoke trouble. They chant racist slogans, give Hitler salutes, and drink heavily before they begin (as anyone who cares to go to the Station and have a look, a couple of hours earlier can tell you). They have well known "faces" around the March, on mobile phones, directing those in the crowd, and so forth. And Brighton people, generally known for their openness to all, are always opposed to fascism, racism and homophobia - look at the history of the town in the 1930's when Moseleys Black Shirts were seen off on numerous occasions. And we will always be like that. MfE - not wanted here![/p][/quote]Just remind me, when were you asked by the people of Brighton to speak on their behalf? What election did you win which gave you that right? What election did the UAF win which gave them a mandate to go round pubs after the march and try and beat up anyone they didn't like the look of? The violence carried out by those who oppose this march is far more of a threat to our democracy than the march itself. JHunty
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.
If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to.

Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.
So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo!
I cannot give an answer on behalf of each and every marcher, and only someone monumentally stupid would think that I could.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.[/p][/quote]Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.[/p][/quote]If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to. Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.[/p][/quote]So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo![/p][/quote]I cannot give an answer on behalf of each and every marcher, and only someone monumentally stupid would think that I could. notslimjim
  • Score: -1

10:55am Mon 18 Aug 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.
Same goes for the UAF.

Both made national appeals.
Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north.

Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.
As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.
So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.
Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton?

This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended.

As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'.

The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab.

I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists.

I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.
Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.
If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to.

Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.
So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo!
I cannot give an answer on behalf of each and every marcher, and only someone monumentally stupid would think that I could.
Ah, resorting to insults because you are unable to answer a simple question. Perhaps I can answer it for you.

1. Get absolutely plastered at 11am
2. Unfurl an England flag
3. Walk down the street surrounded by police, shouting insults at onlookers
4. Catch the train back to Halifax
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Halifax eh? I wonder how many people who attend MfE are actually local to the area.[/p][/quote]Same goes for the UAF. Both made national appeals.[/p][/quote]Yes, they both did - but as a percentage I would wager a guess that the majority of people on the anti protest (not necessarily the black clad anarchist types) but those that went out to demonstrate against it are actually from this area. On the MfE side, they all seem to be from Portsmouth or oop north. Regardless, I do hope it doesn't go ahead next year. MfE may have screwed their chances up by having a big meeting with other far right groups earlier this year, which somewhat destroys their claim not to have any links with far right groups.[/p][/quote]As far as I can tell, the MFE is just a name for those of various groups who wish to celebrate SGD in Brighton. There is nothing to stop them doing so.[/p][/quote]So why would someone from Halifax travel to Brighton to celebrate SDG? There are celebrations all over the country. From what I can see, this march has zilch to do with celebrating and more to do with antagonising. There is something to stop them doing so - the police can stop it going ahead and the council can apply to have it stopped. But there needs to be a good reason to do so. I think the fact that it shuts down the seafront and causes widespread disruption - along with huge costs in policing and loss of income for business - should be weighed against the very small number of people who want to visit Brighton to wave England flags and shout abuse for 15 minutes.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't someone from Halifax celebrate SGD in Brighton? This celebration took place three days after, so there is nothing to suggest that this was the only celebration he attended. As far as I can tell, the seafront was open the entire time. The March was contained in a section of highway that allowed anyone to pass by, so the seafront wasn't 'shut down'. The policing occurs as a result of those who turn up to demonstrate against it, and as you claim they are Brighton residents, then it's only fair that the city should pick up the tab. I think you'll find that the abuse came from the demonstrators, who have the laughable notion that those marching were somehow Nazis/ fascists/ racists. I agree that the March should be prevented. That would allow anyone to turn up in Brighton and have a fun day celebrating our saint and nation without having to fend off thugs in black hoods.[/p][/quote]Explain how you "celebrate" on this march. I have a feeling it involves a few jugs of stella.[/p][/quote]If you need to be told how to celebrate SGD on a march, then you probably wouldn't wish to. Those who are patriotic to England know what to do.[/p][/quote]So you can't answer that simple question then. Yep, you're Stevo![/p][/quote]I cannot give an answer on behalf of each and every marcher, and only someone monumentally stupid would think that I could.[/p][/quote]Ah, resorting to insults because you are unable to answer a simple question. Perhaps I can answer it for you. 1. Get absolutely plastered at 11am 2. Unfurl an England flag 3. Walk down the street surrounded by police, shouting insults at onlookers 4. Catch the train back to Halifax thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: -1

11:45am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"Ah, resorting to insults because you are unable to answer a simple question. "

Who did I insult?

The very idea that I can speak for everyone on a march is too ridiculous to contemplate.

"1. Get absolutely plastered at 11am
2. Unfurl an England flag
3. Walk down the street surrounded by police, shouting insults at onlookers
4. Catch the train back to Halifax"

If that's how you would celebrate it, then why ask?
"Ah, resorting to insults because you are unable to answer a simple question. " Who did I insult? The very idea that I can speak for everyone on a march is too ridiculous to contemplate. "1. Get absolutely plastered at 11am 2. Unfurl an England flag 3. Walk down the street surrounded by police, shouting insults at onlookers 4. Catch the train back to Halifax" If that's how you would celebrate it, then why ask? notslimjim
  • Score: -1

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