Rival rallies on same day focus on crisis in Gaza

A Free Palestine protest on the Old Steine in Brighton last month

A Free Palestine protest on the Old Steine in Brighton last month

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ONGOING fighting between Gaza and Israel has prompted two major public events in Brighton today.

Thousands are expected to attend Sussex Friends of Israel’s (SFI) National Rally for Israel and Peace, from 1.30pm in Victoria Gardens, Brighton.

Meanwhile, the first Brighton for Peace event will host a Walk for Peace along the Brighton seafront at the same time, raising money for the Disasters Emergency Committee’s Gaza Crisis Appeal.

Its volunteer organisers describe the latter event as a “spontaneous outpouring of action” prompted by the “Gaza and Israel crisis”.

Emotions have been running high around the world over the recent outburst of fighting between Israel and Gaza amid the long-running Israel-Palestine conflict.

On Friday evening a ceasefire was ongoing to stop fighting that has killed 1,962 Palestinians and 67 Israelis since July 8.

Marches supporting Gaza have been held in Brighton, while ‘Free Gaza’ was recently graffitied on to the door of the Hove Hebrew Congregation synagogue.

Retired Colonel Richard Kemp CBE, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, will be speaking at SFI’s rally.

He will be joined on the stage by Oded Revivi, mayor of Israeli settlement Efrat, and Rebecca Bat Raphael, whose son was kidnapped and killed by Hamas fighters in 1994.

Sussex Friends of Israel trustee Winston Pickett said: “For some time now grassroots activists for Israel have been asking SFI to take on the baton and hold a national rally in solidarity with Israel and for peace.

“We are happy to oblige. We all hope for an extension of the current ceasefire and a long and binding agreement for peace.”

Brighton for Peace’s Walk for Peace, meanwhile, will start from 1.30pm at the Angel of Peace statue in Hove and silently march to the Concorde 2, accompanied by musicians and other performers.

Lead volunteer Adam Gill said: “This is not a political event, just an outpouring of empathy. Our intention is to send out a message of love and hope to people affected by conflict.

“It doesn’t matter where you are from, we are all human and this must stop.”

A police spokesman said: “We are anticipating that both will be peaceful but officers will be on duty to maintain safety.”

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10:04am Sun 17 Aug 14

Hovian Vibes says...

Bravo Argus: "Brighton for Peace’s Walk for Peace" and a silent march with music (!)
Bravo Argus: "Brighton for Peace’s Walk for Peace" and a silent march with music (!) Hovian Vibes
  • Score: 7

10:15am Sun 17 Aug 14

Plantpot says...

Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve. Plantpot
  • Score: 199

10:20am Sun 17 Aug 14

Hovian Vibes says...

Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Closer to home:
http://www.opposingv
iews.com/i/religion/
mother-claims-daught
er-starved-daycare-b
ecause-packed-lunch-
not-halal
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]Closer to home: http://www.opposingv iews.com/i/religion/ mother-claims-daught er-starved-daycare-b ecause-packed-lunch- not-halal Hovian Vibes
  • Score: 18

11:36am Sun 17 Aug 14

maxiboy_ says...

The writing is on the wall for Europe: A major conflagration with a big chunk of Moslems who have settled on the continent.

The status quo of bending over backwards for this religion is beginning to crack; future generations are unlikely to be as sympathetic and welcoming. It seems to me that this has already started and when the volcano finally blows, there will be hell to pay.
The writing is on the wall for Europe: A major conflagration with a big chunk of Moslems who have settled on the continent. The status quo of bending over backwards for this religion is beginning to crack; future generations are unlikely to be as sympathetic and welcoming. It seems to me that this has already started and when the volcano finally blows, there will be hell to pay. maxiboy_
  • Score: 179

12:32pm Sun 17 Aug 14

peace4all says...

Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace peace4all
  • Score: -29

1:29pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
[quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it. notslimjim
  • Score: 21

1:30pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"Its volunteer organisers describe the latter event as a “spontaneous outpouring of action” prompted by the “Gaza and Israel crisis”. "

If it's planned, then it's not spontaneous.
"Its volunteer organisers describe the latter event as a “spontaneous outpouring of action” prompted by the “Gaza and Israel crisis”. " If it's planned, then it's not spontaneous. notslimjim
  • Score: 22

1:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

JHunty says...

notslimjim wrote:
peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
Wow Stevo!! straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have. Your user name may change but your use of Israel as a proxy through which to vent your dislike of Muslims hasn't changed.
Personally if I were Pro Israel and I found myself on the same side as Jeremy Clarkson, Rod Liddle and the EDL it would give me pause for thought.
Before someone typing away on this forum from a room full of other people employed to do the same thing in Israel tries to equate support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, I'm not on Hamas' side. I'm on the side of a people whose land has been stolen from them with the connivance and encouragement of my government.
As for Plantpots assertion that they got what they deserved after voting for Hamas, seems a bit harsh doesn't it, punishing 400 children for how some adults voted by killing them. At least those children can't be hurt by Israel anymore. Or little snakes as some Israeli politicians like to refer to them.
If you want to start playing the "what about" game and start demanding that people condemn the killing of Israeli children, I'm happy to do so. But first look at the numbers since 2000, 1,100 Israelis have been killed compared to 8900 Palestinians. It's clear who is killing who and who should be able to exercise a right of defence against whom. Israel poses a far greater threat to Palestinians than they do to Israel.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.[/p][/quote]Wow Stevo!! straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have. Your user name may change but your use of Israel as a proxy through which to vent your dislike of Muslims hasn't changed. Personally if I were Pro Israel and I found myself on the same side as Jeremy Clarkson, Rod Liddle and the EDL it would give me pause for thought. Before someone typing away on this forum from a room full of other people employed to do the same thing in Israel tries to equate support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, I'm not on Hamas' side. I'm on the side of a people whose land has been stolen from them with the connivance and encouragement of my government. As for Plantpots assertion that they got what they deserved after voting for Hamas, seems a bit harsh doesn't it, punishing 400 children for how some adults voted by killing them. At least those children can't be hurt by Israel anymore. Or little snakes as some Israeli politicians like to refer to them. If you want to start playing the "what about" game and start demanding that people condemn the killing of Israeli children, I'm happy to do so. But first look at the numbers since 2000, 1,100 Israelis have been killed compared to 8900 Palestinians. It's clear who is killing who and who should be able to exercise a right of defence against whom. Israel poses a far greater threat to Palestinians than they do to Israel. JHunty
  • Score: -32

1:57pm Sun 17 Aug 14

VoxUnpopuli says...

I would have more sympathy with the Peace Marchers if they were to make reference to what is going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment. Syrian soldiers recently massacred Palestinians in the Yarmuk refugee camp, an event which got not so much as a single banner waving on a march anywhere in this country. Clearly atrocities in the Middle East are only worth protesting about if they are committed by Israel or the USA.
I would have more sympathy with the Peace Marchers if they were to make reference to what is going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment. Syrian soldiers recently massacred Palestinians in the Yarmuk refugee camp, an event which got not so much as a single banner waving on a march anywhere in this country. Clearly atrocities in the Middle East are only worth protesting about if they are committed by Israel or the USA. VoxUnpopuli
  • Score: 36

2:01pm Sun 17 Aug 14

hursthill says...

Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel. hursthill
  • Score: 7

2:04pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

JHunty wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
Wow Stevo!! straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have. Your user name may change but your use of Israel as a proxy through which to vent your dislike of Muslims hasn't changed.
Personally if I were Pro Israel and I found myself on the same side as Jeremy Clarkson, Rod Liddle and the EDL it would give me pause for thought.
Before someone typing away on this forum from a room full of other people employed to do the same thing in Israel tries to equate support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, I'm not on Hamas' side. I'm on the side of a people whose land has been stolen from them with the connivance and encouragement of my government.
As for Plantpots assertion that they got what they deserved after voting for Hamas, seems a bit harsh doesn't it, punishing 400 children for how some adults voted by killing them. At least those children can't be hurt by Israel anymore. Or little snakes as some Israeli politicians like to refer to them.
If you want to start playing the "what about" game and start demanding that people condemn the killing of Israeli children, I'm happy to do so. But first look at the numbers since 2000, 1,100 Israelis have been killed compared to 8900 Palestinians. It's clear who is killing who and who should be able to exercise a right of defence against whom. Israel poses a far greater threat to Palestinians than they do to Israel.
'Stevo'?????

Sorry, but your inaccuracy about Israel extends to usernames.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.[/p][/quote]Wow Stevo!! straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have. Your user name may change but your use of Israel as a proxy through which to vent your dislike of Muslims hasn't changed. Personally if I were Pro Israel and I found myself on the same side as Jeremy Clarkson, Rod Liddle and the EDL it would give me pause for thought. Before someone typing away on this forum from a room full of other people employed to do the same thing in Israel tries to equate support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, I'm not on Hamas' side. I'm on the side of a people whose land has been stolen from them with the connivance and encouragement of my government. As for Plantpots assertion that they got what they deserved after voting for Hamas, seems a bit harsh doesn't it, punishing 400 children for how some adults voted by killing them. At least those children can't be hurt by Israel anymore. Or little snakes as some Israeli politicians like to refer to them. If you want to start playing the "what about" game and start demanding that people condemn the killing of Israeli children, I'm happy to do so. But first look at the numbers since 2000, 1,100 Israelis have been killed compared to 8900 Palestinians. It's clear who is killing who and who should be able to exercise a right of defence against whom. Israel poses a far greater threat to Palestinians than they do to Israel.[/p][/quote]'Stevo'????? Sorry, but your inaccuracy about Israel extends to usernames. notslimjim
  • Score: 23

2:05pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

VoxUnpopuli wrote:
I would have more sympathy with the Peace Marchers if they were to make reference to what is going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment. Syrian soldiers recently massacred Palestinians in the Yarmuk refugee camp, an event which got not so much as a single banner waving on a march anywhere in this country. Clearly atrocities in the Middle East are only worth protesting about if they are committed by Israel or the USA.
Shhhhh!

You can't say anything bad about muslims on here.......
[quote][p][bold]VoxUnpopuli[/bold] wrote: I would have more sympathy with the Peace Marchers if they were to make reference to what is going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment. Syrian soldiers recently massacred Palestinians in the Yarmuk refugee camp, an event which got not so much as a single banner waving on a march anywhere in this country. Clearly atrocities in the Middle East are only worth protesting about if they are committed by Israel or the USA.[/p][/quote]Shhhhh! You can't say anything bad about muslims on here....... notslimjim
  • Score: 26

2:08pm Sun 17 Aug 14

homewood says...

Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Completely agree.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. homewood
  • Score: 29

2:09pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

" straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have."

No-one said that, actually.

The point was made that they have should themselves to be unfit to run Gaza. Nothing racist there, but nice try all the same.
" straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have." No-one said that, actually. The point was made that they have should themselves to be unfit to run Gaza. Nothing racist there, but nice try all the same. notslimjim
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

notslimjim wrote:
" straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have."

No-one said that, actually.

The point was made that they have should themselves to be unfit to run Gaza. Nothing racist there, but nice try all the same.
*shown*....not 'should'.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: " straight in with an old Israeli bit of racist non sense about the Arabs being too stupid to use the land they have." No-one said that, actually. The point was made that they have should themselves to be unfit to run Gaza. Nothing racist there, but nice try all the same.[/p][/quote]*shown*....not 'should'. notslimjim
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Sun 17 Aug 14

sssuuueee says...

Hovian Vibes wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Closer to home:
http://www.opposingv

iews.com/i/religion/

mother-claims-daught

er-starved-daycare-b

ecause-packed-lunch-

not-halal
Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others....
[quote][p][bold]Hovian Vibes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]Closer to home: http://www.opposingv iews.com/i/religion/ mother-claims-daught er-starved-daycare-b ecause-packed-lunch- not-halal[/p][/quote]Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others.... sssuuueee
  • Score: 7

2:43pm Sun 17 Aug 14

sssuuueee says...

'We get the government we deserve''

How come we are so selfish then???? Ohhh yer THATCHERISM
'We get the government we deserve'' How come we are so selfish then???? Ohhh yer THATCHERISM sssuuueee
  • Score: -12

2:53pm Sun 17 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

sssuuueee wrote:
Hovian Vibes wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Closer to home:
http://www.opposingv


iews.com/i/religion/


mother-claims-daught


er-starved-daycare-b


ecause-packed-lunch-


not-halal
Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others....
It has a right to defend itself.
[quote][p][bold]sssuuueee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovian Vibes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]Closer to home: http://www.opposingv iews.com/i/religion/ mother-claims-daught er-starved-daycare-b ecause-packed-lunch- not-halal[/p][/quote]Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others....[/p][/quote]It has a right to defend itself. notslimjim
  • Score: -15

3:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Hovian Vibes says...


Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.

Utter tripe.
Hovian Vibes says... Plantpot wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve. Utter tripe. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -20

4:07pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Fercri Sakes says...

hursthill wrote:
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
1. Hamas did not start the conflict. Israel did.

2. The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation. Israel is now an apartheid state. There are 45 outstanding UN resolutions against Israel. In 2013 alone the UN created 21 resolutions against Israel, with only 4 for the rest of the world, namely Syria, North Korea, Iran and Burma.

3. Hamas did not use human shields. Israel targeted populated area and UN schools. They do not care about the life of Palestinians.

4. What happened to 4?

5. Israel does not want Gaza full stop. But it will not give the Palestinians back their homes from which they were forced out by gunpoint. Israel do not want a solution to this. Just a long-term ethnic cleansing so they get the whole territory to themselves.

Israel are not the victims, they hold the power over the lives in Gaza and they treat the inhabitants like expendable prisoners. There was the same amount of power in just a minute of Israeli bombardment than all the rockets Hamas has fired put together.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]1. Hamas did not start the conflict. Israel did. 2. The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation. Israel is now an apartheid state. There are 45 outstanding UN resolutions against Israel. In 2013 alone the UN created 21 resolutions against Israel, with only 4 for the rest of the world, namely Syria, North Korea, Iran and Burma. 3. Hamas did not use human shields. Israel targeted populated area and UN schools. They do not care about the life of Palestinians. 4. What happened to 4? 5. Israel does not want Gaza full stop. But it will not give the Palestinians back their homes from which they were forced out by gunpoint. Israel do not want a solution to this. Just a long-term ethnic cleansing so they get the whole territory to themselves. Israel are not the victims, they hold the power over the lives in Gaza and they treat the inhabitants like expendable prisoners. There was the same amount of power in just a minute of Israeli bombardment than all the rockets Hamas has fired put together. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -6

4:43pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Fercri Sakes says...

And just prove my point about racism and apartheid in Israel just look at who is protesting against the wedding of a Muslim and Jew in Israel.

"A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception."

http://www.theguardi
an.com/world/2014/au
g/17/israeli-court-p
rotesters-picket-pal
estinian-jewish-wedd
ing
And just prove my point about racism and apartheid in Israel just look at who is protesting against the wedding of a Muslim and Jew in Israel. "A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception." http://www.theguardi an.com/world/2014/au g/17/israeli-court-p rotesters-picket-pal estinian-jewish-wedd ing Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -10

6:14pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Nikski says...

I am aware that there are those who like to ridicule The Guardian, but for those who may be interested, here is a link to a letter in yesterday's edition; it offers a unique and very powerful perspective on the conflict in Gaza, and I found it extremely moving.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/world/2014/au
g/15/gaza-propaganda
-machines
I am aware that there are those who like to ridicule The Guardian, but for those who may be interested, here is a link to a letter in yesterday's edition; it offers a unique and very powerful perspective on the conflict in Gaza, and I found it extremely moving. http://www.theguardi an.com/world/2014/au g/15/gaza-propaganda -machines Nikski
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Sun 17 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

I lost all my sympathy for the Palestinians when a few years ago, I saw them on the news, celebrating and rejoicing at the bombing that killed many young Israelis. Israel stupidly gave them Gaza and what did they do? They voted in a government of terrorists that have been bombarding Israel with rockets for several years and are openly determined to destroy the country. They complain about being isolated, but when they imported building materials and equipment, they built tunnels from which to attack Israel, instead of the badly needed buildings in Gaza itself. They don't want peace, so all the talk about ceasefires is a load of nonsense. The rockets continue and Hamas know only too well that Israel will fight back, in order to defend itself. They also know that many of their own people will be killed, in their futile attempt to discredit Israel in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, where are the marches and protests on behalf of the Christians who are being tortured, killed and displaced in Muslim countries? Not a sign and not a murmur. And why not? Because it is fashionable and so much easier to criticise Israel and not the evil Islamists, who are evil betrayers of their own religion.
I lost all my sympathy for the Palestinians when a few years ago, I saw them on the news, celebrating and rejoicing at the bombing that killed many young Israelis. Israel stupidly gave them Gaza and what did they do? They voted in a government of terrorists that have been bombarding Israel with rockets for several years and are openly determined to destroy the country. They complain about being isolated, but when they imported building materials and equipment, they built tunnels from which to attack Israel, instead of the badly needed buildings in Gaza itself. They don't want peace, so all the talk about ceasefires is a load of nonsense. The rockets continue and Hamas know only too well that Israel will fight back, in order to defend itself. They also know that many of their own people will be killed, in their futile attempt to discredit Israel in the eyes of the rest of the world. Meanwhile, where are the marches and protests on behalf of the Christians who are being tortured, killed and displaced in Muslim countries? Not a sign and not a murmur. And why not? Because it is fashionable and so much easier to criticise Israel and not the evil Islamists, who are evil betrayers of their own religion. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Sun 17 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

Furthermore, you can bet your life that, if the Islamists were to, heaven forbid, take over this country, we would be treated in the same way as those poor people in Iraq. Either convert to Islam or be executed.
Furthermore, you can bet your life that, if the Islamists were to, heaven forbid, take over this country, we would be treated in the same way as those poor people in Iraq. Either convert to Islam or be executed. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

marcus82 says...

I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ! marcus82
  • Score: 10

9:48pm Sun 17 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
ISIS is funded by USA and Israel.

People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]ISIS is funded by USA and Israel. People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

hursthill wrote:
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
Only a real moron would think that it was started because Hamsterley fired rockets at Israel - but then again you've got previous for it!!
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]Only a real moron would think that it was started because Hamsterley fired rockets at Israel - but then again you've got previous for it!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 5

9:53pm Sun 17 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

notslimjim wrote:
peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
Are you aware how the people are forced to live in Gaza - obviously not or you wouldn't be saying that. Or are you a zionist and supporter of Israel?

Gaza is only 25 miles by 5 miles. Over a million people are forced to live in this small area.

There is 80% unemployment - because of Israel.

They cannot leave - they are being bombed and cannot escape.

Women and children are being bombed and that is genocide.

No one should be forced to live like this - you wouldn't accept it and neither would I.

Israel has stolen land from the Palestinians for decades. They starve them and cut off their water. Their elec' is cut off and they're lucky to get 2 hours elec in 48 hours.

It is wrong and must be stopped.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.[/p][/quote]Are you aware how the people are forced to live in Gaza - obviously not or you wouldn't be saying that. Or are you a zionist and supporter of Israel? Gaza is only 25 miles by 5 miles. Over a million people are forced to live in this small area. There is 80% unemployment - because of Israel. They cannot leave - they are being bombed and cannot escape. Women and children are being bombed and that is genocide. No one should be forced to live like this - you wouldn't accept it and neither would I. Israel has stolen land from the Palestinians for decades. They starve them and cut off their water. Their elec' is cut off and they're lucky to get 2 hours elec in 48 hours. It is wrong and must be stopped. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 7

9:54pm Sun 17 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

notslimjim wrote:
sssuuueee wrote:
Hovian Vibes wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
Closer to home:
http://www.opposingv



iews.com/i/religion/



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Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others....
It has a right to defend itself.
So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sssuuueee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovian Vibes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]Closer to home: http://www.opposingv iews.com/i/religion/ mother-claims-daught er-starved-daycare-b ecause-packed-lunch- not-halal[/p][/quote]Israel looks like the terrorist to me and many others....[/p][/quote]It has a right to defend itself.[/p][/quote]So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 8

9:58pm Sun 17 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

hursthill wrote:
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
Are you a zionist and a jew? Don't spread lies. What you are saying is all lies.

There are photos of the IDF using children tied to their jeeps to stop people in Gaza firing at them.

It is only the Israelli genocidal forces that use children and kill children.

Look at the photos of babies who are being bombed and either killed or blinded or maimed - no one who has one decent bone in their body could agree with that.

Learn what is really going on - watch George Galloway on You Tube - he tells people not to hate jews.

Many jews are against what is going on in Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]Are you a zionist and a jew? Don't spread lies. What you are saying is all lies. There are photos of the IDF using children tied to their jeeps to stop people in Gaza firing at them. It is only the Israelli genocidal forces that use children and kill children. Look at the photos of babies who are being bombed and either killed or blinded or maimed - no one who has one decent bone in their body could agree with that. Learn what is really going on - watch George Galloway on You Tube - he tells people not to hate jews. Many jews are against what is going on in Gaza. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 8

10:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

pte says...

marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
[quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf pte
  • Score: -6

10:02pm Sun 17 Aug 14

marcus82 says...

The idea that the conflict was started because Hamas fired rockets at Israel is one of the clearest distortions being put forward. It completely ignores any historical context. Israel is built on land stolen from Palestine, and since the nakba of 1947 Israeli treatment of Arabs has been appalling ie the constant siege, regular attacks, bulldozing Arab homes, building on Palestinian land.

When people are oppressed, and bullied in this vile way, jihad extreme groups like Hamas are inevitable - Just like Iraq is now a breeding ground for extremism after the U.S / British invasion.

There is also the obvious point that because of the U.S funded Iron dome missile defence system, none of these missiles even get through. Hamas could launch rockets all day, and there would still be no threat to Israel, and so no need for an invasion of Gaza. Israel love killing Arabs, and any old excuse will do !
The idea that the conflict was started because Hamas fired rockets at Israel is one of the clearest distortions being put forward. It completely ignores any historical context. Israel is built on land stolen from Palestine, and since the nakba of 1947 Israeli treatment of Arabs has been appalling ie the constant siege, regular attacks, bulldozing Arab homes, building on Palestinian land. When people are oppressed, and bullied in this vile way, jihad extreme groups like Hamas are inevitable - Just like Iraq is now a breeding ground for extremism after the U.S / British invasion. There is also the obvious point that because of the U.S funded Iron dome missile defence system, none of these missiles even get through. Hamas could launch rockets all day, and there would still be no threat to Israel, and so no need for an invasion of Gaza. Israel love killing Arabs, and any old excuse will do ! marcus82
  • Score: 6

10:05pm Sun 17 Aug 14

marcus82 says...

pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ! marcus82
  • Score: 11

10:18pm Sun 17 Aug 14

pte says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
ISIS is funded by USA and Israel.

People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet.
Yeah mate it's all a Zionist plot. Blah, blah the Zionist are behind ISIS, 9/11, Assad is a Zionist as was Sadam Hussein and the Ayotolla Komeni. The arab states are all the most democratic on Earth so lets have one in Gaza. Sorry but from Libya to Iran there isn't one Arab state worth living in which is why they're are all trying to get into the UK

If as has been said the Israelis are in denial what about the arabs? They never take responsibility for anything. Any massacre they commit is always the fault of a Zionist plot.

Zionist plot? Hitler said the same thing about a Zionist plot and he was definitely antisemitic. At least he didn't try to deny it
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]ISIS is funded by USA and Israel. People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet.[/p][/quote]Yeah mate it's all a Zionist plot. Blah, blah the Zionist are behind ISIS, 9/11, Assad is a Zionist as was Sadam Hussein and the Ayotolla Komeni. The arab states are all the most democratic on Earth so lets have one in Gaza. Sorry but from Libya to Iran there isn't one Arab state worth living in which is why they're are all trying to get into the UK If as has been said the Israelis are in denial what about the arabs? They never take responsibility for anything. Any massacre they commit is always the fault of a Zionist plot. Zionist plot? Hitler said the same thing about a Zionist plot and he was definitely antisemitic. At least he didn't try to deny it pte
  • Score: -4

10:24pm Sun 17 Aug 14

marcus82 says...

pte wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
ISIS is funded by USA and Israel.

People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet.
Yeah mate it's all a Zionist plot. Blah, blah the Zionist are behind ISIS, 9/11, Assad is a Zionist as was Sadam Hussein and the Ayotolla Komeni. The arab states are all the most democratic on Earth so lets have one in Gaza. Sorry but from Libya to Iran there isn't one Arab state worth living in which is why they're are all trying to get into the UK

If as has been said the Israelis are in denial what about the arabs? They never take responsibility for anything. Any massacre they commit is always the fault of a Zionist plot.

Zionist plot? Hitler said the same thing about a Zionist plot and he was definitely antisemitic. At least he didn't try to deny it
This doesn't even make any sense mate. You sound like a fork in a world of soup. Although this empty-headed waffle does nicely reflect the confused, angry mentality of people who try to defend Israel's actions.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]ISIS is funded by USA and Israel. People in Gaza have been kept there by Israel for decades without enough food and water and they don't get electricity very often either. Now they're being bombed - women and children are being killed and you think that is ok - you must be a zionist then and they are the worst people on this planet.[/p][/quote]Yeah mate it's all a Zionist plot. Blah, blah the Zionist are behind ISIS, 9/11, Assad is a Zionist as was Sadam Hussein and the Ayotolla Komeni. The arab states are all the most democratic on Earth so lets have one in Gaza. Sorry but from Libya to Iran there isn't one Arab state worth living in which is why they're are all trying to get into the UK If as has been said the Israelis are in denial what about the arabs? They never take responsibility for anything. Any massacre they commit is always the fault of a Zionist plot. Zionist plot? Hitler said the same thing about a Zionist plot and he was definitely antisemitic. At least he didn't try to deny it[/p][/quote]This doesn't even make any sense mate. You sound like a fork in a world of soup. Although this empty-headed waffle does nicely reflect the confused, angry mentality of people who try to defend Israel's actions. marcus82
  • Score: 9

10:26pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Nikski says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
Are you a zionist and a jew? Don't spread lies. What you are saying is all lies.

There are photos of the IDF using children tied to their jeeps to stop people in Gaza firing at them.

It is only the Israelli genocidal forces that use children and kill children.

Look at the photos of babies who are being bombed and either killed or blinded or maimed - no one who has one decent bone in their body could agree with that.

Learn what is really going on - watch George Galloway on You Tube - he tells people not to hate jews.

Many jews are against what is going on in Gaza.
You are right. As I previously posted, please see this amazing letter from yesterday's Guardian, written by Holocaust survivors and their descendants. Is anyone going to say they are anti-semitic?

http://www.theguardi
an.com/world/2014/au
g/15/gaza-propaganda
-machines
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]Are you a zionist and a jew? Don't spread lies. What you are saying is all lies. There are photos of the IDF using children tied to their jeeps to stop people in Gaza firing at them. It is only the Israelli genocidal forces that use children and kill children. Look at the photos of babies who are being bombed and either killed or blinded or maimed - no one who has one decent bone in their body could agree with that. Learn what is really going on - watch George Galloway on You Tube - he tells people not to hate jews. Many jews are against what is going on in Gaza.[/p][/quote]You are right. As I previously posted, please see this amazing letter from yesterday's Guardian, written by Holocaust survivors and their descendants. Is anyone going to say they are anti-semitic? http://www.theguardi an.com/world/2014/au g/15/gaza-propaganda -machines Nikski
  • Score: 7

10:55pm Sun 17 Aug 14

pte says...

marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
[quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist pte
  • Score: -10

12:11am Mon 18 Aug 14

Bugzy84 says...

Protest either way it won't make a difference because,

There's no business like war business,
like no business I know.
The profits you can get are so appealing,
making guns and bombs instead of peace.
Nowhere can you get the happy feeling
than when you're stealing from the crowds.

There's no people like war people,
they smile when times are bad.
Even with a war that they all know will fail
it doesn't matter, they'll still make the sale,
'cause they know the politicians are for sale.
So let's get on with the war!
Protest either way it won't make a difference because, There's no business like war business, like no business I know. The profits you can get are so appealing, making guns and bombs instead of peace. Nowhere can you get the happy feeling than when you're stealing from the crowds. There's no people like war people, they smile when times are bad. Even with a war that they all know will fail it doesn't matter, they'll still make the sale, 'cause they know the politicians are for sale. So let's get on with the war! Bugzy84
  • Score: 6

12:18am Mon 18 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
It is not appropriate to physically destroy a nation and slaughter its people for making uninformed or dangerous voting choices. You are endorsing carpet-bombing as punishment for an almost certainly naive voting outcome. That is appalling. To support Israel's actions now is to also endorse the anti-semitic backlash that is rising out of it. Shame on you.

Can you inform us how many of the women and children had and used a vote? What percentage of Gazans voted for Hamas. You can presumably give us breakdown figures.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]It is not appropriate to physically destroy a nation and slaughter its people for making uninformed or dangerous voting choices. You are endorsing carpet-bombing as punishment for an almost certainly naive voting outcome. That is appalling. To support Israel's actions now is to also endorse the anti-semitic backlash that is rising out of it. Shame on you. Can you inform us how many of the women and children had and used a vote? What percentage of Gazans voted for Hamas. You can presumably give us breakdown figures. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 7

12:23am Mon 18 Aug 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

My ignorance knows no bounds in relation to the the heartache and suffering there and in many places now, in the past, and seemingly set for the future.
I would ask only that religious thoughts and beliefs that might generally now be considered 'primitive' are rejected. We are all humans.
I have no religion and nobody has ever caused such hurt, pain and depravity in my name.
All people should stop finding reason and justification for hate and intolerance in their part-time pixie worship activities.
Children are our future and they don't have time for adults to grow up.
My ignorance knows no bounds in relation to the the heartache and suffering there and in many places now, in the past, and seemingly set for the future. I would ask only that religious thoughts and beliefs that might generally now be considered 'primitive' are rejected. We are all humans. I have no religion and nobody has ever caused such hurt, pain and depravity in my name. All people should stop finding reason and justification for hate and intolerance in their part-time pixie worship activities. Children are our future and they don't have time for adults to grow up. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 5

12:35am Mon 18 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
And just prove my point about racism and apartheid in Israel just look at who is protesting against the wedding of a Muslim and Jew in Israel.

"A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception."

http://www.theguardi

an.com/world/2014/au

g/17/israeli-court-p

rotesters-picket-pal

estinian-jewish-wedd

ing
The Jewish, Christian (breakaway Jewish sect) and Muslim (breakaway Christian sect) peoples of the book have one Hell of a lot to answer for. Has any other religion or set of religions been so bloodthirsty and tribal? So intent on killing or converting the "other"? It is insanity. From the Crusades to ISIS, it is all INSANE.

All states should be secular and all people's personal beliefs should be privately practised and respected. End of.

May this interfaith couple live long and prosper.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: And just prove my point about racism and apartheid in Israel just look at who is protesting against the wedding of a Muslim and Jew in Israel. "A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception." http://www.theguardi an.com/world/2014/au g/17/israeli-court-p rotesters-picket-pal estinian-jewish-wedd ing[/p][/quote]The Jewish, Christian (breakaway Jewish sect) and Muslim (breakaway Christian sect) peoples of the book have one Hell of a lot to answer for. Has any other religion or set of religions been so bloodthirsty and tribal? So intent on killing or converting the "other"? It is insanity. From the Crusades to ISIS, it is all INSANE. All states should be secular and all people's personal beliefs should be privately practised and respected. End of. May this interfaith couple live long and prosper. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 6

12:45am Mon 18 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

notslimjim wrote:
peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
How can you "give" what was already Palestinian territory ? The area now called Israel for over half a century is the cradle of Jewish, Christian and Islamic beliefs and peoples. The land was TAKEN for a Jewish state.

The whole Balfour Declaration onward now seems to have been a grave error that is not serving Jews longterm, just short-term within millenia. A lot of damage is being done now. The entire middle east is an intolerant mess and intolerance from diaspora is not constructive.

No religion should be running any country I conclude. Sadly. My support for Israel is in tatters after what has happened this summer. The Muslims will not recognise the state of Israel and Israel is conemptuous of the Muslims in turn. What is the end game?
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.[/p][/quote]How can you "give" what was already Palestinian territory ? The area now called Israel for over half a century is the cradle of Jewish, Christian and Islamic beliefs and peoples. The land was TAKEN for a Jewish state. The whole Balfour Declaration onward now seems to have been a grave error that is not serving Jews longterm, just short-term within millenia. A lot of damage is being done now. The entire middle east is an intolerant mess and intolerance from diaspora is not constructive. No religion should be running any country I conclude. Sadly. My support for Israel is in tatters after what has happened this summer. The Muslims will not recognise the state of Israel and Israel is conemptuous of the Muslims in turn. What is the end game? Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 2

12:46am Mon 18 Aug 14

Motorcyclist says...

pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
pte or Stevo or whatever...

Please take your medicine and go to bed.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist[/p][/quote]pte or Stevo or whatever... Please take your medicine and go to bed. Motorcyclist
  • Score: 5

1:40am Mon 18 Aug 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
peace4all wrote:
Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance!

But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side!

Peace
Their land isn't being stolen.

Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.
How can you "give" what was already Palestinian territory ? The area now called Israel for over half a century is the cradle of Jewish, Christian and Islamic beliefs and peoples. The land was TAKEN for a Jewish state.

The whole Balfour Declaration onward now seems to have been a grave error that is not serving Jews longterm, just short-term within millenia. A lot of damage is being done now. The entire middle east is an intolerant mess and intolerance from diaspora is not constructive.

No religion should be running any country I conclude. Sadly. My support for Israel is in tatters after what has happened this summer. The Muslims will not recognise the state of Israel and Israel is conemptuous of the Muslims in turn. What is the end game?
well as there are far more muslims in the middle east ,the odds dont look to good for the jews
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peace4all[/bold] wrote: Well unfortunately I am going to have to side with the Palestinians on this one,they must be fed up of having their land stolen by the zionists so the had to set up hamas although I do not agree with their policies unfortunately in this instance resistance is existance! But I just want a ceasefire and 2 states living peacefully side by side! Peace[/p][/quote]Their land isn't being stolen. Gaza was given to them, and they've shown that that aren't fit to run it.[/p][/quote]How can you "give" what was already Palestinian territory ? The area now called Israel for over half a century is the cradle of Jewish, Christian and Islamic beliefs and peoples. The land was TAKEN for a Jewish state. The whole Balfour Declaration onward now seems to have been a grave error that is not serving Jews longterm, just short-term within millenia. A lot of damage is being done now. The entire middle east is an intolerant mess and intolerance from diaspora is not constructive. No religion should be running any country I conclude. Sadly. My support for Israel is in tatters after what has happened this summer. The Muslims will not recognise the state of Israel and Israel is conemptuous of the Muslims in turn. What is the end game?[/p][/quote]well as there are far more muslims in the middle east ,the odds dont look to good for the jews whatevernext2013
  • Score: -4

7:34am Mon 18 Aug 14

RootyRoo says...

Never mind all these comments. Was the guy there with the model aeroplane again? Very impressive piece of artwork.
Never mind all these comments. Was the guy there with the model aeroplane again? Very impressive piece of artwork. RootyRoo
  • Score: 0

8:24am Mon 18 Aug 14

marcus82 says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
pte or Stevo or whatever...

Please take your medicine and go to bed.
When Israel bomb schools, and wipe out families, I would say those innocent civilians are pretty blameless.

Trying to accuse people who criticise Israel of being racist really quite desperate, and most intelligent people can see through it. It is a ploy which you use, and have used for decades because somewhere - beneath all the Zionist indoctrination, you actually know that Israel's treatment of arabs is appalling !! There is no rational defence of it so you shout "racist", or use any other childish, desperate attempt to discredit people who criticise Israel !
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist[/p][/quote]pte or Stevo or whatever... Please take your medicine and go to bed.[/p][/quote]When Israel bomb schools, and wipe out families, I would say those innocent civilians are pretty blameless. Trying to accuse people who criticise Israel of being racist really quite desperate, and most intelligent people can see through it. It is a ploy which you use, and have used for decades because somewhere - beneath all the Zionist indoctrination, you actually know that Israel's treatment of arabs is appalling !! There is no rational defence of it so you shout "racist", or use any other childish, desperate attempt to discredit people who criticise Israel ! marcus82
  • Score: 4

8:51am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
pte or Stevo or whatever...

Please take your medicine and go to bed.
So you couldn't argue against what they'd said.
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist[/p][/quote]pte or Stevo or whatever... Please take your medicine and go to bed.[/p][/quote]So you couldn't argue against what they'd said. notslimjim
  • Score: -4

8:55am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
hursthill wrote:
Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored.

His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist.

FACTS -
1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel.
2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself.
3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets.
5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.
1. Hamas did not start the conflict. Israel did.

2. The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation. Israel is now an apartheid state. There are 45 outstanding UN resolutions against Israel. In 2013 alone the UN created 21 resolutions against Israel, with only 4 for the rest of the world, namely Syria, North Korea, Iran and Burma.

3. Hamas did not use human shields. Israel targeted populated area and UN schools. They do not care about the life of Palestinians.

4. What happened to 4?

5. Israel does not want Gaza full stop. But it will not give the Palestinians back their homes from which they were forced out by gunpoint. Israel do not want a solution to this. Just a long-term ethnic cleansing so they get the whole territory to themselves.

Israel are not the victims, they hold the power over the lives in Gaza and they treat the inhabitants like expendable prisoners. There was the same amount of power in just a minute of Israeli bombardment than all the rockets Hamas has fired put together.
^^^^^^Stupid Post Of The Week^^^^^^^

I love the contradiction:

" The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation."

" Israel does not want Gaza "

If Israel doesn't want Gaza, then it's not going to occupy it.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Any comment by jgrunty can be ignored. His obscene hatred, malice & prejudice against Israel is displayed at every opportunity. You cannot reason or debate either with a bigot or a terrorist. FACTS - 1. Hamas started the conflict by firing 4,000 rockets at Israel. 2. Israel has a moral & legal right to defend itself. 3. Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields for it's rockets. 5. Israel does not want to occupy Gaza, it is Hamas that wants to occupy & destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]1. Hamas did not start the conflict. Israel did. 2. The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation. Israel is now an apartheid state. There are 45 outstanding UN resolutions against Israel. In 2013 alone the UN created 21 resolutions against Israel, with only 4 for the rest of the world, namely Syria, North Korea, Iran and Burma. 3. Hamas did not use human shields. Israel targeted populated area and UN schools. They do not care about the life of Palestinians. 4. What happened to 4? 5. Israel does not want Gaza full stop. But it will not give the Palestinians back their homes from which they were forced out by gunpoint. Israel do not want a solution to this. Just a long-term ethnic cleansing so they get the whole territory to themselves. Israel are not the victims, they hold the power over the lives in Gaza and they treat the inhabitants like expendable prisoners. There was the same amount of power in just a minute of Israeli bombardment than all the rockets Hamas has fired put together.[/p][/quote]^^^^^^Stupid Post Of The Week^^^^^^^ I love the contradiction: " The occupied people of Gaza have the legal right to oppose occupation." " Israel does not want Gaza " If Israel doesn't want Gaza, then it's not going to occupy it. HTH notslimjim
  • Score: -2

8:58am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!!"

The Palestinians of Gaza are the aggressors here.

Why were the tunnels into Israel built? Why the daily bombardment of Israeli citizens from Gaza?
"So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!!" The Palestinians of Gaza are the aggressors here. Why were the tunnels into Israel built? Why the daily bombardment of Israeli citizens from Gaza? notslimjim
  • Score: -3

9:30am Mon 18 Aug 14

Nikski says...

notslimjim wrote:
Motorcyclist wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
pte or Stevo or whatever...

Please take your medicine and go to bed.
So you couldn't argue against what they'd said.
Moron
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist[/p][/quote]pte or Stevo or whatever... Please take your medicine and go to bed.[/p][/quote]So you couldn't argue against what they'd said.[/p][/quote]Moron Nikski
  • Score: 3

9:36am Mon 18 Aug 14

Fercri Sakes says...

notslimjim wrote:
"So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!!"

The Palestinians of Gaza are the aggressors here.

Why were the tunnels into Israel built? Why the daily bombardment of Israeli citizens from Gaza?
Dear Stevo, ZeeGeesFFS, notslimjim, EDL-lover or whatever you're calling yourself this week, here are the answers.

1. What you think is 'the defense of Israel' is actually the bombardment of civilians by a heavily advanced military. They used drones, gunships, bombers, tanks , artillery on a civilian population, including UN schools. These are war crimes.

2. The tunnels were built because Israel built a big wall around Gaza and put lots of gunships in the water creating a sealed prison. As the Israelis will let nothing through this blockade alternative methods to get resources into the illegal prison were needed.

3. Israeli citizens are not daily bombarded. Rockets are fired from Gaza into the huge expanse of Israel and have never hit a citizen. They are very small rockets. Compare that to the ordinance fired at Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: "So Israel has a right to defend itself but the Palestinians don't.....?!!" The Palestinians of Gaza are the aggressors here. Why were the tunnels into Israel built? Why the daily bombardment of Israeli citizens from Gaza?[/p][/quote]Dear Stevo, ZeeGeesFFS, notslimjim, EDL-lover or whatever you're calling yourself this week, here are the answers. 1. What you think is 'the defense of Israel' is actually the bombardment of civilians by a heavily advanced military. They used drones, gunships, bombers, tanks , artillery on a civilian population, including UN schools. These are war crimes. 2. The tunnels were built because Israel built a big wall around Gaza and put lots of gunships in the water creating a sealed prison. As the Israelis will let nothing through this blockade alternative methods to get resources into the illegal prison were needed. 3. Israeli citizens are not daily bombarded. Rockets are fired from Gaza into the huge expanse of Israel and have never hit a citizen. They are very small rockets. Compare that to the ordinance fired at Gaza. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 2

9:50am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Nikski wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
Motorcyclist wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
pte wrote:
marcus82 wrote:
I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide.

I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd.

And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes !

People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence !
Thanks for that Adolf
Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing !
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing.

You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist.

Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal.

To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist
pte or Stevo or whatever...

Please take your medicine and go to bed.
So you couldn't argue against what they'd said.
Moron
And neither could you.


Next!!
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marcus82[/bold] wrote: I cant believe the arrogance of holding a pro-Zionist rally in Brighton at a time when Israel have invaded Gaza, bombed schools, and hospitals, and killed 2000 people, mostly innocent civilians. If I was Israeli, I'd be ashamed, - not waving the national flag for a country which has just carried out a genocide. I was there in Brighton, and thankfully there weren't many people their. Pro-Zionists are in total denial about the many war crimes their government / army have committed. For example - they spout this ridiculous defence of bombing schools, that it's because Hamas are using civilians as human shields - Totally false, and even if it were true, no excuse for massacring children. Whatever crime Israel commit, even murdering children, somehow its Hams / Palestinians fault - Its absurd. And of course any criticism of Israel and you're "anti-Semitic", and I even spoke to someone who tried to deny that in 1948 Israel stole Palestinian land, and expelled 800,000 people from their homes ! People who defend Israel's actions are pretty tedious. Israel is land stolen from Palestine, and so pro-Zionists are in total denial about their vile history, because to acknowledge it would be to admit the disgraceful, violent, racist reality of their countries existence ![/p][/quote]Thanks for that Adolf[/p][/quote]Classic. Any criticism of Israel, and you are "anti-Semitic". Someone in Brighton today said the same thing ![/p][/quote]Marcus, Marcus, Marcus The problem with racists is they don't know when they are being racist because that's the nature of racism. Speak to any black person and they will tell you white people never realise when they are being racist. Try telling them they are racist and they get told they have a chip on their shoulder. So they give up and say nothing. You can't demonize one side and pretend the Gazans are blameless, talk about a Zionist plot as Hitler did and not be accused of being racist. Oh and when Israel is accused of Nazi style genocide, that too is racist because that is an insult or a taunt which is specifically designed to cause hurt to a race of people. That type of taunt should be made illegal. To put it in terms easier for you to understand, telling an Israeli he's behaving like a Nazi is like telling a black man he's behaving like the Klu Klux Klan. It's racist[/p][/quote]pte or Stevo or whatever... Please take your medicine and go to bed.[/p][/quote]So you couldn't argue against what they'd said.[/p][/quote]Moron[/p][/quote]And neither could you. Next!! notslimjim
  • Score: -3

9:53am Mon 18 Aug 14

Plantpot says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy?

In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away?

Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi.

I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.
It is not appropriate to physically destroy a nation and slaughter its people for making uninformed or dangerous voting choices. You are endorsing carpet-bombing as punishment for an almost certainly naive voting outcome. That is appalling. To support Israel's actions now is to also endorse the anti-semitic backlash that is rising out of it. Shame on you.

Can you inform us how many of the women and children had and used a vote? What percentage of Gazans voted for Hamas. You can presumably give us breakdown figures.
I see you make no comment about the goings on in Iraq and Syria, just like most on here. The scale of the slaughter there is way beyond anything going on in Gaza.

However, l am not advocating carpet bombing of Gaza, that is just silly. Nor am I advocating the destruction of Gaza. In fact even the Israelis aren't looking to do that - they do enough to make their point and then allow themselves to be reeled in by the international community. My point is that voting for Hamas, in any numbers is complete madness. Hamas welcome civilian deaths and casualties for their own propaganda purposes, which certainly seems to be working with the slebs and certain sections of Brighton society.

BTW, and AFAIK, Iron Dome in common with other systems of its type track a projectiles trajectory back to its start point. So if Hamas operatives fire from a mobile launcher sited at a hospital or school, they are knowingly inviting an attack on that place.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Whoever thought Gaza could be so trendy? In other news, Muslim extremists in Iraq executed 350 men yesterday by shooting and beheading for failing to convert from Christianity to Islam. These were amongst victims that now number in the thousands. What's happening to the Christian women that are being taken away? Funnily enough, this appears to have escaped the notice of the slebs and Baroness Warsi. I certainly won't be donating a penny to the Gazans - they voted in Hamas and must have known the consequences of installing a terrorist organisation. Aid money that could have been of great benefit to the ordinary person In Gaza has been misappropriated on a grand scale to fund terrorism. People always get the govt. they deserve.[/p][/quote]It is not appropriate to physically destroy a nation and slaughter its people for making uninformed or dangerous voting choices. You are endorsing carpet-bombing as punishment for an almost certainly naive voting outcome. That is appalling. To support Israel's actions now is to also endorse the anti-semitic backlash that is rising out of it. Shame on you. Can you inform us how many of the women and children had and used a vote? What percentage of Gazans voted for Hamas. You can presumably give us breakdown figures.[/p][/quote]I see you make no comment about the goings on in Iraq and Syria, just like most on here. The scale of the slaughter there is way beyond anything going on in Gaza. However, l am not advocating carpet bombing of Gaza, that is just silly. Nor am I advocating the destruction of Gaza. In fact even the Israelis aren't looking to do that - they do enough to make their point and then allow themselves to be reeled in by the international community. My point is that voting for Hamas, in any numbers is complete madness. Hamas welcome civilian deaths and casualties for their own propaganda purposes, which certainly seems to be working with the slebs and certain sections of Brighton society. BTW, and AFAIK, Iron Dome in common with other systems of its type track a projectiles trajectory back to its start point. So if Hamas operatives fire from a mobile launcher sited at a hospital or school, they are knowingly inviting an attack on that place. Plantpot
  • Score: 1

9:59am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"1. What you think is 'the defense of Israel' is actually the bombardment of civilians by a heavily advanced military."

Wrong on various points.

I'm English......I use 'defenCe'.

Civilians aren't the targets. They have ended up being injured (just as happened in WWII but you don't hear people moaning about that) because they have been refused permission by Hamas to leave areas from which the weapons are being launched.

"These are war crimes. "

In your opinion, but they aren't. The schools are legitimate targets because of what they are being used for.

"2. The tunnels were built because Israel built a big wall around Gaza and put lots of gunships in the water creating a sealed prison. As the Israelis will let nothing through this blockade alternative methods to get resources into the illegal prison were needed. "

Oh dear.

Is reality something that only happens to other people?

There isn't a blockade for many items. How do you think the Palestinians get cigarettes and football shirts?

The tunnels have two purposes;

1) Smuggling banned goods into Gaza.

2) Allowing terrorists into Israel..

I really look forward to your explanation as to why tunnels would be built across the Israeli border.

"3. Israeli citizens are not daily bombarded. Rockets are fired from Gaza into the huge expanse of Israel and have never hit a citizen. "

Another contender for Stupid Comment Of The Week.

Apart from the fact that the bombardment continued during the Crisis, you seem to think that firing rockets into another country is OK if no-one gets hurt.

Well, Israelis DO get hurt, and they do get killed.

HTH
"1. What you think is 'the defense of Israel' is actually the bombardment of civilians by a heavily advanced military." Wrong on various points. I'm English......I use 'defenCe'. Civilians aren't the targets. They have ended up being injured (just as happened in WWII but you don't hear people moaning about that) because they have been refused permission by Hamas to leave areas from which the weapons are being launched. "These are war crimes. " In your opinion, but they aren't. The schools are legitimate targets because of what they are being used for. "2. The tunnels were built because Israel built a big wall around Gaza and put lots of gunships in the water creating a sealed prison. As the Israelis will let nothing through this blockade alternative methods to get resources into the illegal prison were needed. " Oh dear. Is reality something that only happens to other people? There isn't a blockade for many items. How do you think the Palestinians get cigarettes and football shirts? The tunnels have two purposes; 1) Smuggling banned goods into Gaza. 2) Allowing terrorists into Israel.. I really look forward to your explanation as to why tunnels would be built across the Israeli border. "3. Israeli citizens are not daily bombarded. Rockets are fired from Gaza into the huge expanse of Israel and have never hit a citizen. " Another contender for Stupid Comment Of The Week. Apart from the fact that the bombardment continued during the Crisis, you seem to think that firing rockets into another country is OK if no-one gets hurt. Well, Israelis DO get hurt, and they do get killed. HTH notslimjim
  • Score: 1

10:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

"BTW, and AFAIK, Iron Dome in common with other systems of its type track a projectiles trajectory back to its start point. So if Hamas operatives fire from a mobile launcher sited at a hospital or school, they are knowingly inviting an attack on that place."

Correct.

Then Hamas broadcast the results in order to drum up support from simple-minded liberals all across the globe. This is why Hamas is responsible for those civilian deaths.
"BTW, and AFAIK, Iron Dome in common with other systems of its type track a projectiles trajectory back to its start point. So if Hamas operatives fire from a mobile launcher sited at a hospital or school, they are knowingly inviting an attack on that place." Correct. Then Hamas broadcast the results in order to drum up support from simple-minded liberals all across the globe. This is why Hamas is responsible for those civilian deaths. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

11:16am Mon 18 Aug 14

pte says...

One point I'd like to clear up is the one that a majority voted for Hamas. In all probability the vote was rigged. If they did vote for them it was only because it was a choice between them and the corrupt Fatah.

Another point, Hamas (Sunni) are allied to Hezbolla (Shia) who are helping Assad kill thousands of innocent Sunnis

All you can fairly say about this conflict like all conflicts is that each side is as bad as each other. Each at any one time has committed some bad act and this cycle of violence didn't happen without being provoked by one side or the other.

So demonizing one side isn't very constructive to the peace process. As Orwell said the first casualty of war is truth. Both sides have their propaganda machines and the reporting from Gaza is controlled by Hamas who have expelled film crews and reporters who are not on message.

If the Israeli's unconditionally lift the blockade without a peace agreement what is the likelyhood of a cessation of the rockets? No we know it will increase because the blockade was in response to terror attacks.

So instead of heaping all the blame on Israel why not have a march to put pressure on Hamas to stop firing rockets for good and that will end the violence all round. But then you'll get the ridiculous argument that Hamas are fully entitled to fire rockets at Israel especially as they are small and don't hurt anyone.
One point I'd like to clear up is the one that a majority voted for Hamas. In all probability the vote was rigged. If they did vote for them it was only because it was a choice between them and the corrupt Fatah. Another point, Hamas (Sunni) are allied to Hezbolla (Shia) who are helping Assad kill thousands of innocent Sunnis All you can fairly say about this conflict like all conflicts is that each side is as bad as each other. Each at any one time has committed some bad act and this cycle of violence didn't happen without being provoked by one side or the other. So demonizing one side isn't very constructive to the peace process. As Orwell said the first casualty of war is truth. Both sides have their propaganda machines and the reporting from Gaza is controlled by Hamas who have expelled film crews and reporters who are not on message. If the Israeli's unconditionally lift the blockade without a peace agreement what is the likelyhood of a cessation of the rockets? No we know it will increase because the blockade was in response to terror attacks. So instead of heaping all the blame on Israel why not have a march to put pressure on Hamas to stop firing rockets for good and that will end the violence all round. But then you'll get the ridiculous argument that Hamas are fully entitled to fire rockets at Israel especially as they are small and don't hurt anyone. pte
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Mon 18 Aug 14

hursthill says...

I agree with pte.
To summarise - :

1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace.

2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist.

Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied.
I agree with pte. To summarise - : 1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace. 2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist. Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied. hursthill
  • Score: 1

10:11am Tue 19 Aug 14

Fercri Sakes says...

hursthill wrote:
I agree with pte.
To summarise - :

1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace.

2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist.

Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied.
Can you let me know why so many Jewish holocaust survivors disagree with and are ashamed at what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians over the last 70 years? Maybe it's because they've seen the horrors of apartheid and the treatment of a race as vermin at close hands.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: I agree with pte. To summarise - : 1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace. 2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist. Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied.[/p][/quote]Can you let me know why so many Jewish holocaust survivors disagree with and are ashamed at what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians over the last 70 years? Maybe it's because they've seen the horrors of apartheid and the treatment of a race as vermin at close hands. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Tue 19 Aug 14

pte says...

The socialism of fools, an interesting read for lefty intellectuals with sufficient reading power: http://www.engageonl
ine.org.uk/ressource
s/funny/chap1.html
The socialism of fools, an interesting read for lefty intellectuals with sufficient reading power: http://www.engageonl ine.org.uk/ressource s/funny/chap1.html pte
  • Score: -1

6:36pm Tue 19 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
hursthill wrote:
I agree with pte.
To summarise - :

1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace.

2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist.

Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied.
Can you let me know why so many Jewish holocaust survivors disagree with and are ashamed at what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians over the last 70 years? Maybe it's because they've seen the horrors of apartheid and the treatment of a race as vermin at close hands.
How many survivors have indicated their thoughts on the matter?
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: I agree with pte. To summarise - : 1. If Hamas stop firing rockets there is peace. 2. If Israel stops defending itself it ceases to exist. Remember Israel does not want Gaza, it is Hamas who want to colonise & steal Israeli land, imposing their apartheid racist homophobic ideology. No peace until Israeli security concerns are satisfied.[/p][/quote]Can you let me know why so many Jewish holocaust survivors disagree with and are ashamed at what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians over the last 70 years? Maybe it's because they've seen the horrors of apartheid and the treatment of a race as vermin at close hands.[/p][/quote]How many survivors have indicated their thoughts on the matter? notslimjim
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