Property prices in Brighton and Hove rise by 10% in a year

Property prices in Brighton and Hove have risen by 10% in a year

Property prices in Brighton and Hove have risen by 10% in a year

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HOUSE prices in the city have rocketed by more than 10% in the last year.

An average house in Brighton and Hove now costs more than quarter of a million pounds for the first time ever.

The high growth compares to rises in England and Wales of 6.4% in the past year.

A one-bedroom flat now costs more than £200,000 and requires a £46,000 salary and £50,000 deposit, according to the Brighton and Hove Housing Costs Report for April to June.

A three-bedroom house is up 6.8% on last year at £328,000 and requires a salary of £80,000 and an £87,000 deposit.

The gap between the average property price for Brighton and Hove and England and Wales has grown, with city prices now 45.5% higher.

One-bedroom flats cost more than seven times the median household annual income, while three-bedroom houses cost more than 12 times.

The cost of renting in the city has also increased with two-bedroom houses up 5.1% and individual rooms up 13.5%.

The report is based on Land Registry data which calculates the average value of homes, based on sales prices.

Brighton estate agent John Hoole said: “We have seen a great deal of market activity this year with some record prices being achieved, in many cases in excess of the asking prices.

“At this very moment in time, the market has cooled somewhat as it generally does at this time of year with summer and school holidays.

“It remains to be seen whether autumn will be as strong.

“This will very much depend on mortgage lender criteria and sellers being realistic and not over ambitious in their expectations.”

Councillor Bill Randall, chairman of the housing committee, said rising private rents were the biggest cause of homelessness, with 19,000 names bow on the council waiting list.

He said: “I am deeply concerned that the cost of buying and renting houses and flats in Brighton and Hove rises relentlessly.

“Local people, particularly the sons and daughters of the city, are finding it increasingly difficult to find somewhere affordable to live and more than half the new houses built are bought by outsiders.

“If we are to meet our housing need, we must use all our brownfield sites and fill empty homes, both of which we are doing.

“We also need a carefully-controlled development of some of the urban fringe sites, which is why we urgently need agreement on the City Plan.”

Tony Mernagh, exective director of the Brighton and Hove Economic Partnership, said: "Now that the recession is over and the recovery becoming more entrenched every day the inevitable house price increases driven by the London market are an increasing worry.

"The dire shortage of affordable housing not just in Brighton but the immediate area will be a brake on economic growth.

"On top of that there is always the lingering possibility that the bursting of the housing bubble (for it will burst eventually) will undermine consumer confidence which is playing an overly important part in the recovery.

"Increases of 10% per annum are no cause for celebration."

A COUNTRY ESCAPE?

BUYERS looking to move to the country may be in for a surprise.

According to a study by the National Housing Federation (NHF), rural life can be costlier than in London.

When taking local wages into account, Sussex has six of the priciest districts in the UK. Houses in Lewes, Mid Sussex, Wealden, Rother, Horsham and Chichester, houses are on average 14 times more than median income.

Monica Burns of the NHF said: “A lot of rural communities are becoming playgrounds for the rich. Local residents are left stranded with no buses and housing they can't afford.

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6:43am Fri 22 Aug 14

rogerthefish says...

Mr Randell, the reason why there is 19,000 on waiting list is because Brighton Council do not give out planning permission because all the planning officers have left because it's run by a tyrant....do you not know
Mr Randell, the reason why there is 19,000 on waiting list is because Brighton Council do not give out planning permission because all the planning officers have left because it's run by a tyrant....do you not know rogerthefish
  • Score: 17

7:27am Fri 22 Aug 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

And we are yet to hear the results of the investigation into the housing department which may have had a bearing on rents.
Then we have the mysterious cost of the cost of one person living in a shipping container being £650 a month, very strange when a student home in my street costs £1,100 for three people to live there. Someone is making money from tax payers again.
And of course as the unis increase the number of students by another 5,000 that's another lot of family homes being snapped up at a high price by landlords who run letting businesses. Look at the Latest Homes mag, lists of family homes being offered up as potential HMOs for new students. The council give planning permission for student halls where they live for a year and then they move into former family homes where the rents are being pushed up.
And we are yet to hear the results of the investigation into the housing department which may have had a bearing on rents. Then we have the mysterious cost of the cost of one person living in a shipping container being £650 a month, very strange when a student home in my street costs £1,100 for three people to live there. Someone is making money from tax payers again. And of course as the unis increase the number of students by another 5,000 that's another lot of family homes being snapped up at a high price by landlords who run letting businesses. Look at the Latest Homes mag, lists of family homes being offered up as potential HMOs for new students. The council give planning permission for student halls where they live for a year and then they move into former family homes where the rents are being pushed up. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 6

7:46am Fri 22 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.
Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity. We love Red Billy
  • Score: 13

9:01am Fri 22 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.
Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives? HJarrs
  • Score: -3

9:24am Fri 22 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.
Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?
Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?[/p][/quote]Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building. Fight_Back
  • Score: 1

9:51am Fri 22 Aug 14

We love Red Billy says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.
Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?
Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building.
Bit further up the hill.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?[/p][/quote]Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building.[/p][/quote]Bit further up the hill. We love Red Billy
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10:04am Fri 22 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.
Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?
Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building.
Bit further up the hill.
Bill lives in Hanover Lofts so I'm not sure what your point is ?
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Dear old Bill is part of the problem. Having run a successful business ( his words ) he chooses to live in a council flat in Hanover that is larger than he needs . A touch of the Bob Crows methink when he could afford to pay private sector rates. Come on Bill a bit of socialist sacrifice on your part to prove you still have some integrity.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, his place doesn't look like a council flat to me. Perhaps you could confirm where he lives?[/p][/quote]Unusually I would agree - Hanover Lofts looks like a private development in an old school building.[/p][/quote]Bit further up the hill.[/p][/quote]Bill lives in Hanover Lofts so I'm not sure what your point is ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 0

10:47am Fri 22 Aug 14

Fercri Sakes says...

The Greens are not ruining this city for local people, it's the Londoners buying up all the properties for 30% more than they're worth.

"A one-bedroom flat now costs more than £200,000 and requires a £46,000 salary and £50,000 deposit." - More than half the home owners I know would not be able to afford their own property if they tried to buy it today.
The Greens are not ruining this city for local people, it's the Londoners buying up all the properties for 30% more than they're worth. "A one-bedroom flat now costs more than £200,000 and requires a £46,000 salary and £50,000 deposit." - More than half the home owners I know would not be able to afford their own property if they tried to buy it today. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: 14

11:00am Fri 22 Aug 14

Nikski says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
The Greens are not ruining this city for local people, it's the Londoners buying up all the properties for 30% more than they're worth.

"A one-bedroom flat now costs more than £200,000 and requires a £46,000 salary and £50,000 deposit." - More than half the home owners I know would not be able to afford their own property if they tried to buy it today.
Absolutely spot-on. The people on here blaming the Council are the ones who blame the council for all the ills of our society. Everyone knows it is London that has been driving the housing boom for years and the ridiculously inflated prices in the capital mean that people can sell their homes there and move to cheaper places outside the capital, whilst still being able to commute to town. So this pushes prices up in Brighton which then has a knock-on effect on nearby areas as people who can no longer afford to buy in Brighton look elsewhere eg along the coast east and west. I can understand why people would want to escape from London and live in Brighton especially when they can get more for their money and probably not need a mortgage due to the profit of their sale, but this is the reason and it is not the council's fault. The problem with the council waiting list is that there is nowhere near enough social housing available, which is largely due to the fact that a lot of it has been sold (right-to-buy) so blame Thatcher she started that! There is also not enough being built and part of the problem there is Nimbyism (we accept the need but please not near us etc etc) and a lack of willingness/initiati
ve to develop brownfield sites of which there are many.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: The Greens are not ruining this city for local people, it's the Londoners buying up all the properties for 30% more than they're worth. "A one-bedroom flat now costs more than £200,000 and requires a £46,000 salary and £50,000 deposit." - More than half the home owners I know would not be able to afford their own property if they tried to buy it today.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot-on. The people on here blaming the Council are the ones who blame the council for all the ills of our society. Everyone knows it is London that has been driving the housing boom for years and the ridiculously inflated prices in the capital mean that people can sell their homes there and move to cheaper places outside the capital, whilst still being able to commute to town. So this pushes prices up in Brighton which then has a knock-on effect on nearby areas as people who can no longer afford to buy in Brighton look elsewhere eg along the coast east and west. I can understand why people would want to escape from London and live in Brighton especially when they can get more for their money and probably not need a mortgage due to the profit of their sale, but this is the reason and it is not the council's fault. The problem with the council waiting list is that there is nowhere near enough social housing available, which is largely due to the fact that a lot of it has been sold (right-to-buy) so blame Thatcher she started that! There is also not enough being built and part of the problem there is Nimbyism (we accept the need but please not near us etc etc) and a lack of willingness/initiati ve to develop brownfield sites of which there are many. Nikski
  • Score: 10

12:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Fairfax Aches says...

dirty greedy estates and letting agents sticking their filthy snouts into it inflating prices is what's happening. Who needs estates agents anyway? Online markets/auctions with a separate regulated structure for legal and conveyancing requirements.
dirty greedy estates and letting agents sticking their filthy snouts into it inflating prices is what's happening. Who needs estates agents anyway? Online markets/auctions with a separate regulated structure for legal and conveyancing requirements. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

brightonline says...

The estate agents also need to take a large part of the blame here, always talking up the price to maximise their fee - and the Argus do not help by publishing a large format property inset every Friday, again talking up the place!
The estate agents also need to take a large part of the blame here, always talking up the price to maximise their fee - and the Argus do not help by publishing a large format property inset every Friday, again talking up the place! brightonline
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration.

Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise.
There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration. Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

12:48pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Rockwater says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Mr Randell, the reason why there is 19,000 on waiting list is because Brighton Council do not give out planning permission because all the planning officers have left because it's run by a tyrant....do you not know
The planning department is in a complete mess and agreed she is a tyrant and should be replaced.

Very few national companies do not wish to build in the city because of are planning department. It is costing homes and work, this can't carry on!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Mr Randell, the reason why there is 19,000 on waiting list is because Brighton Council do not give out planning permission because all the planning officers have left because it's run by a tyrant....do you not know[/p][/quote]The planning department is in a complete mess and agreed she is a tyrant and should be replaced. Very few national companies do not wish to build in the city because of are planning department. It is costing homes and work, this can't carry on!!!!! Rockwater
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Rockwater says...

Instead of writing about this, why don't the Argus do a piece on the planing department.
Instead of writing about this, why don't the Argus do a piece on the planing department. Rockwater
  • Score: 4

1:01pm Fri 22 Aug 14

jamus77 says...

Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future! jamus77
  • Score: 8

1:04pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

jamus77 wrote:
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon.

It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future![/p][/quote]So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon. It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place. notslimjim
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Fri 22 Aug 14

jamus77 says...

notslimjim wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon.

It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.
'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. -

Yep. Your point is?

'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place'

Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future![/p][/quote]So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon. It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.[/p][/quote]'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. - Yep. Your point is? 'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place' Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like? jamus77
  • Score: 3

3:08pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

jamus77 wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon.

It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.
'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. -

Yep. Your point is?

'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place'

Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?
"You do realise people can choose to live where they like?"

I'm not aware that I suggested anything of the sort.

The fact remains that if they cannot move somewhere (due to costs, lack of space etc) then they cannot live where they like.

My point concerned your opposing viewpoints.
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future![/p][/quote]So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon. It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.[/p][/quote]'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. - Yep. Your point is? 'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place' Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?[/p][/quote]"You do realise people can choose to live where they like?" I'm not aware that I suggested anything of the sort. The fact remains that if they cannot move somewhere (due to costs, lack of space etc) then they cannot live where they like. My point concerned your opposing viewpoints. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Fri 22 Aug 14

WFC says...

It's cos we live in a place people want to live so enjoy the city, don't moan about it, move if your that bothered!
It's cos we live in a place people want to live so enjoy the city, don't moan about it, move if your that bothered! WFC
  • Score: 2

5:33pm Fri 22 Aug 14

rayellerton says...

I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left!
I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left! rayellerton
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Ennuid says...

notslimjim wrote:
There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration.

Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise.
I recall in another post on another subject that you believe racism is a factually justifiable point of view (I can quote you if you like). Don't you think that blaming all the problems you find on immigration is just a bit pathetic. I think the issue here is a real one and it revolves around London house prices feeding down to Brighton. Its a huge problem for anyone not on the housing ladder in London and even worse down here where wages on average are considerably lower.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration. Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise.[/p][/quote]I recall in another post on another subject that you believe racism is a factually justifiable point of view (I can quote you if you like). Don't you think that blaming all the problems you find on immigration is just a bit pathetic. I think the issue here is a real one and it revolves around London house prices feeding down to Brighton. Its a huge problem for anyone not on the housing ladder in London and even worse down here where wages on average are considerably lower. Ennuid
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Fri 22 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

rayellerton wrote:
I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left!
If you go back to 1800 you will find an awful lot of people can claim roots in the city! I am directly related to Charles the Great of the holy Roman Empire, so what!

You can't blame people wanting to move to the city, it is a great place to live.

The problem lies in a mix of incompetent housing policy over 30 years, population increase, our acceptance of housing being a financial instrument, lack of opportunities outside the south east etc.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left![/p][/quote]If you go back to 1800 you will find an awful lot of people can claim roots in the city! I am directly related to Charles the Great of the holy Roman Empire, so what! You can't blame people wanting to move to the city, it is a great place to live. The problem lies in a mix of incompetent housing policy over 30 years, population increase, our acceptance of housing being a financial instrument, lack of opportunities outside the south east etc. HJarrs
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Ennuid wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration.

Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise.
I recall in another post on another subject that you believe racism is a factually justifiable point of view (I can quote you if you like). Don't you think that blaming all the problems you find on immigration is just a bit pathetic. I think the issue here is a real one and it revolves around London house prices feeding down to Brighton. Its a huge problem for anyone not on the housing ladder in London and even worse down here where wages on average are considerably lower.
No racist comments were in my post, so your admission to being a liar (by failing to quote them) is acknowledged.

FYI Immigration is driving UK population increases:

http://www.theguardi
an.com/news/datablog
/2013/nov/06/uk-popu
lation-increase-birt
hs-migration

"The remaining 43% will be down to migration but, of course, people migrating to the UK also have an affect on the birth rate. Higher migration means more people of child-bearing age will be in the population. "

How stupid do you feel now, having been proven to be a liar and ignorant of the reality of the situation?
[quote][p][bold]Ennuid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: There are too many people living on this rock, thanks to unfettered immigration. Funnily enough, many of those who applaud this act of cultural vandalism are also those who complain about shortages in the housing market which cause prices to rise.[/p][/quote]I recall in another post on another subject that you believe racism is a factually justifiable point of view (I can quote you if you like). Don't you think that blaming all the problems you find on immigration is just a bit pathetic. I think the issue here is a real one and it revolves around London house prices feeding down to Brighton. Its a huge problem for anyone not on the housing ladder in London and even worse down here where wages on average are considerably lower.[/p][/quote]No racist comments were in my post, so your admission to being a liar (by failing to quote them) is acknowledged. FYI Immigration is driving UK population increases: http://www.theguardi an.com/news/datablog /2013/nov/06/uk-popu lation-increase-birt hs-migration "The remaining 43% will be down to migration but, of course, people migrating to the UK also have an affect on the birth rate. Higher migration means more people of child-bearing age will be in the population. " How stupid do you feel now, having been proven to be a liar and ignorant of the reality of the situation? notslimjim
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Fri 22 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

rayellerton wrote:
I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left!
Annoyingly, no-one has a God-given right to remain in the town of their birth.

There are no laws guaranteeing accommodation in any town you care to name.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left![/p][/quote]Annoyingly, no-one has a God-given right to remain in the town of their birth. There are no laws guaranteeing accommodation in any town you care to name. notslimjim
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

notslimjim wrote:
rayellerton wrote:
I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left!
Annoyingly, no-one has a God-given right to remain in the town of their birth.

There are no laws guaranteeing accommodation in any town you care to name.
I indeed. Many of the moaners voted for a party that told us to get on our bikes to seek work. Now they complain that we have done so!
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I have family roots on my mothers side going back to 1800, and so far 4 of my six children have had to up sticks and move because of property inflation....if you add to this the lack of Council Housing in the City, and rules for being accepted on the housing list were relaxed to the point that singles, newcomers and unemployed are all allowed to apply, then in 20 years there will be no indigenous Brightonians left![/p][/quote]Annoyingly, no-one has a God-given right to remain in the town of their birth. There are no laws guaranteeing accommodation in any town you care to name.[/p][/quote]I indeed. Many of the moaners voted for a party that told us to get on our bikes to seek work. Now they complain that we have done so! HJarrs
  • Score: 2

9:52pm Fri 22 Aug 14

her professional says...

jamus77 wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon.

It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.
'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. -

Yep. Your point is?

'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place'

Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?
Just ignore the idiot, jamus
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future![/p][/quote]So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon. It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.[/p][/quote]'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. - Yep. Your point is? 'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place' Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?[/p][/quote]Just ignore the idiot, jamus her professional
  • Score: 1

12:04am Sat 23 Aug 14

Valentinian says...

Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it
Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it Valentinian
  • Score: -1

12:16am Sat 23 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Valentinian wrote:
Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it
You talking about Worthing?
[quote][p][bold]Valentinian[/bold] wrote: Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it[/p][/quote]You talking about Worthing? HJarrs
  • Score: 0

12:38am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

HJarrs wrote:
Valentinian wrote:
Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it
You talking about Worthing?
Hardly.

Ponce around in Worthing and you risk having your throat cut.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valentinian[/bold] wrote: Filthy disgusting cesspit filled with an ever increasingly deviant lazy and drug fuelled populace. Who cares... It is too far gone to worry or care about this toilet of a town.lol vibrant ...colourful lol...as long as it is Rainbow coloured haha you are welcome to it[/p][/quote]You talking about Worthing?[/p][/quote]Hardly. Ponce around in Worthing and you risk having your throat cut. notslimjim
  • Score: -2

12:39am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

her professional wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future!
So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon.

It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.
'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. -

Yep. Your point is?

'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place'

Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?
Just ignore the idiot, jamus
Jamus is an idiot?

I KNEW something was wrong with them.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Right now Brighton is an incredibly vibrant, colourful place to live, an hour from central London - yet offering a better life-style. Every time I get off the train in Brighton there is a buzz about the place. Saying prices are 'ridiculous' or 'over-inflated' is neither here nor there. People will pay, and will continue to pay, a premium to live here. Will the wave of London money change the unique atmosphere in Brighton? I think that's inevitable, too, sadly. I just can't see how the young, creative, types - who make this place - will afford to live here in future![/p][/quote]So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon. It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place.[/p][/quote]'So on the one hand, you're delighted that the place is full up, yet on the other, you're concerned that no-one will be able to move here soon'. - Yep. Your point is? 'It's the people who move here who are causing the problem in the first place' Hmm. You do realise people can choose to live where they like?[/p][/quote]Just ignore the idiot, jamus[/p][/quote]Jamus is an idiot? I KNEW something was wrong with them. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

12:40am Sat 23 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Rockwater wrote:
Instead of writing about this, why don't the Argus do a piece on the planing department.
Are they the ones who ensure that our wood is smooth?
[quote][p][bold]Rockwater[/bold] wrote: Instead of writing about this, why don't the Argus do a piece on the planing department.[/p][/quote]Are they the ones who ensure that our wood is smooth? notslimjim
  • Score: -1

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