UKIP could target Tory’s Sussex seat

Tim Loughton

Mike Glennon

UKIP leader Nigel Farage

First published in News by

UKIP campaigners are quietly confident that a former Government minister’s Sussex constituency could be among their first parliamentary seats next May.

Leaked polling documents have indicated that Tim Loughton’s East Worthing and Shoreham is one of the seats Ukip will target next year.

While Ukip is yet to officially confirm it will target the Sussex seat, local party members hope success at recent European and local elections will be repeated on the national stage.

Victory for Ukip candidate Michael Glennon would represent a major turnaround from 2010 when he finished fourth with just 3,000 votes.

Councillor Glennon said if the East Worthing and Shoreham seat was confirmed as a target by his party, it could radically alter his campaign.

He said: “Spending limits for elections are about £30,000 per constituency and I can’t pretend that myself and my Ukip chums have that sort of money to slap on the table.

“But as a target seat, for one of our donors such as Paul Sykes, £30,000 is pocket money and to have him standing behind you would mean campaigning doubly hard, trebly hard.”

Coun Glennon, who won a seat on West Sussex County Council last year, said target seats were chosen based on previous voting statistics, burning local issues and a hard-working party.

He said: “There is a big Conservative majority but the whole area of politics is changing radically.

“The old spectrum of left wing and right wing has changed to whether you support an independent Britain or being subsumed within the European superstate.”

Ken Bishop, Ukip Adur councillor for Southlands ward, said it would be “one hell of an uphill climb” to overturn Mr Loughton’s 11,000 plus majority and “a change in the mindset” of local voters.

He said: “By no stretch of the imagination are we saying that Nigel Farage will be asked by The Queen to form a new government next year but there are going to be Ukip MPs and possibly Shoreham and East Worthing could be one of them.”

A spokesman from the Ukip central office said he was unable to confirm the details of the leaked polling information.

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6:46am Thu 28 Aug 14

Sir Prised says...

The only chance of becoming a democracy once more !
The only chance of becoming a democracy once more ! Sir Prised
  • Score: -49

6:54am Thu 28 Aug 14

Sussex jim says...

With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.
With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month. That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further. Sussex jim
  • Score: -45

7:37am Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this? HJarrs
  • Score: 36

8:33am Thu 28 Aug 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

I will vote UKIP in my constituency but Loughton is a decent man and a good MP.
I will vote UKIP in my constituency but Loughton is a decent man and a good MP. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -35

9:20am Thu 28 Aug 14

paul6391 says...

Gets my vote..
Gets my vote.. paul6391
  • Score: -34

9:25am Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?
Mainly because it doesn't?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't? ok,jared
  • Score: -28

9:46am Thu 28 Aug 14

s&k says...

On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.
On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment. s&k
  • Score: -20

10:19am Thu 28 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Sussex jim wrote:
With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month.
That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.
well said sadly don't see it happening.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: With minor parties splitting the vote, the only chance for England is the Scottish people voting for independence next month. That should ensure that we never again have a majority Labour government to drag us down further.[/p][/quote]well said sadly don't see it happening. tinker111
  • Score: -27

10:21am Thu 28 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove & Portslade need a big push here.
Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove & Portslade need a big push here. tinker111
  • Score: -21

10:29am Thu 28 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

The fact that almost 1 million immigrants will come this year equals extra mouths to feed, housing to find and jobs to go to, not to mention the babies, relatives that follow and requirements for social services, water and environmental impacts.
This is one reason UKip want to change the status quo.
The fact that almost 1 million immigrants will come this year equals extra mouths to feed, housing to find and jobs to go to, not to mention the babies, relatives that follow and requirements for social services, water and environmental impacts. This is one reason UKip want to change the status quo. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -28

10:34am Thu 28 Aug 14

redwing says...

ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?
Mainly because it doesn't?
Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't?[/p][/quote]Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them. Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas. redwing
  • Score: 23

10:37am Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

redwing wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?
Mainly because it doesn't?
Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them.
Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.
Feel free to explain how TTIP could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty.

Bear in mind that at the moment, we don't have our sovereignty.
[quote][p][bold]redwing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: UKIP strangely quiet on the TTIP trade agreement that could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Why is this?[/p][/quote]Mainly because it doesn't?[/p][/quote]Wrong answer. UKIP are just as tied to big business interests as the Tories, out to divide the ordinary people and rule them. Vote UKIP. Be a turkey and vote for Christmas.[/p][/quote]Feel free to explain how TTIP could sign away a significant chunk of sovereignty. Bear in mind that at the moment, we don't have our sovereignty. ok,jared
  • Score: -29

10:47am Thu 28 Aug 14

her professional says...

s&k wrote:
On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.
So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it. her professional
  • Score: 34

10:52am Thu 28 Aug 14

michael505 says...

UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face.
UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face. michael505
  • Score: -25

11:05am Thu 28 Aug 14

maxiboy_ says...

Let's do it UKIP, the sooner we clear out the filth in Westminster then maybe we have a chance of saving the country.
Let's do it UKIP, the sooner we clear out the filth in Westminster then maybe we have a chance of saving the country. maxiboy_
  • Score: -27

11:28am Thu 28 Aug 14

Kirk D says...

My advice to anyone interested in seeing Mike Glennon returned as UKIP MP for Shoreham & Adur is this:

Become a member of UKIP (if you are not already) & contact the East Worthing Brunch. If you are able to deliver leaflets that would be welcomed. Canvassing, fund raising & any organizational skills also welcomed. It isn't enough just to vote UKIP. If you want change you have to fight for it. This means convincing the good people of Worthing & Shoreham that victory can be achieved & common sense, decency and democracy can once again prevail.

Join UKIP ( The People's Army) & see what you can do !
My advice to anyone interested in seeing Mike Glennon returned as UKIP MP for Shoreham & Adur is this: Become a member of UKIP (if you are not already) & contact the East Worthing Brunch. If you are able to deliver leaflets that would be welcomed. Canvassing, fund raising & any organizational skills also welcomed. It isn't enough just to vote UKIP. If you want change you have to fight for it. This means convincing the good people of Worthing & Shoreham that victory can be achieved & common sense, decency and democracy can once again prevail. Join UKIP ( The People's Army) & see what you can do ! Kirk D
  • Score: -29

11:30am Thu 28 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

michael505 wrote:
UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face.
Tim Loughton is quite famous for this. Who does he think he is, and why does he do it? I'm inclined to be a Tory, but where Tim Loughton is concerned, I'd happily make an exception. When he speaks on TV, he has a natural narcissism that is quite creepy. He might be articulate, but he hasn't got Michael Portillo's charm. I think there is something to be had with the fact that his ministerial career was so short lived.
[quote][p][bold]michael505[/bold] wrote: UKIP has my vote. I have contacted Mr Loughton many times and his responses have been very rude. He doesn't answer in good time and when you try and be polite he throws it back in your face.[/p][/quote]Tim Loughton is quite famous for this. Who does he think he is, and why does he do it? I'm inclined to be a Tory, but where Tim Loughton is concerned, I'd happily make an exception. When he speaks on TV, he has a natural narcissism that is quite creepy. He might be articulate, but he hasn't got Michael Portillo's charm. I think there is something to be had with the fact that his ministerial career was so short lived. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -15

11:52am Thu 28 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

So that's the Worthing & Shoreham vote sorted, now what about the slimy Green things in Brighton, anybody interested in standing for what is common sense and for the people of B&H not for the itinerant hippy lefty students who have taken over the running of this City.
UKip will turn this City around, forget Labour or the Conservatives, they are only interested in London & the North, we are on our own, we have to build this City back up to where it belongs, its not a Party venue for druggies and minorities, its a multicultural society.
So that's the Worthing & Shoreham vote sorted, now what about the slimy Green things in Brighton, anybody interested in standing for what is common sense and for the people of B&H not for the itinerant hippy lefty students who have taken over the running of this City. UKip will turn this City around, forget Labour or the Conservatives, they are only interested in London & the North, we are on our own, we have to build this City back up to where it belongs, its not a Party venue for druggies and minorities, its a multicultural society. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -28

12:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Kirk D says...

Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/
out_of_the_eu_into_t
he_world_report
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report Kirk D
  • Score: -14

12:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

sweetnigel says...

First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right? sweetnigel
  • Score: 19

12:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Kirk D says...

Breaking news...............D
ouglas Carswell, Conservative MP for Clacton, joins UKIP!

http://www.express.c
o.uk/news/politics/5
04238/Douglas-Carswe
ll-defected-from-Con
servative-Party-to-U
kip
Breaking news...............D ouglas Carswell, Conservative MP for Clacton, joins UKIP! http://www.express.c o.uk/news/politics/5 04238/Douglas-Carswe ll-defected-from-Con servative-Party-to-U kip Kirk D
  • Score: -13

12:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.
[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote: First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment. They were 'right wing' the last time I checked. ok,jared
  • Score: -35

2:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

ok,jared wrote:
sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.
I see that 26 people have shown their anger at me posting facts again, lol.
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote: First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment. They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]I see that 26 people have shown their anger at me posting facts again, lol. ok,jared
  • Score: -12

4:18pm Thu 28 Aug 14

s&k says...

her professional wrote:
s&k wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.
So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.
He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.[/p][/quote]He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace. s&k
  • Score: -2

4:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

s&k wrote:
her professional wrote:
s&k wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.
So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.
He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.
Why does an MP have to 'reflect the populace'?
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: On the day when it's revealed that public school/Oxbridge graduates take all the top jobs, and meritocracy is at it's lowest in decades let's welcome anything that destoys the smug upper middle class establishment.[/p][/quote]So Farage isn't smug or middle class? Come off it.[/p][/quote]He's no worse than the self serving public school idiots that proliferate in British politics. Don't get me wrong there's good MPs from all parties but they are not the majority and do not adequately reflect the populace.[/p][/quote]Why does an MP have to 'reflect the populace'? ok,jared
  • Score: -9

5:19pm Thu 28 Aug 14

rayellerton says...

Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'
Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class' rayellerton
  • Score: -6

5:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/

out_of_the_eu_into_t

he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP. HJarrs
  • Score: 4

6:00pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/


out_of_the_eu_into_t


he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily
.com/ukip-welcome-pr
oposed-free-trade-ag
reement-european-uni
on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo ok,jared
  • Score: -6

6:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

tinker111 wrote:
Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove & Portslade need a big push here.
UKIP's candidate for Hove and Portslade is an ex Barrister and serving Baptist Minister which will bring an interesting dimension. Dominic Gieve (ex Attorney General fired recenlty by Cameron) and Nigel Farage have both been commenting on the loss of our Judeo-Christian Heritage recently which is the basis of our liberal-democracy and "inalienable" freedoms of speech, consceince, religion and assembly. It is what the EU and the liberal-left wish to remove in favour of handing the state the power to define "the good."

Brighton Kemptown have a strong local councillor and former Mayor who is much liked in hsi own town of Peacehaven.

Brighton Pavillion have a veteran UKIP candidate with a professional marketing consultancy background.

All three candidates are high quality and as both Hove and Portslade and Brighton-Kemptown are marginals, UKIP will do extremenly well once their candidates start the campaign in earnest after the conference in September.

Doug Carswell will not be the only MP to come over to UKIP. Several Sussex councillors plan to make the move soon adding to momentum.

The contry is ready for a chnage form the old establishment parties and the Westminster elite.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Just wish that Ukip had top candidate for Hove & Portslade need a big push here.[/p][/quote]UKIP's candidate for Hove and Portslade is an ex Barrister and serving Baptist Minister which will bring an interesting dimension. Dominic Gieve (ex Attorney General fired recenlty by Cameron) and Nigel Farage have both been commenting on the loss of our Judeo-Christian Heritage recently which is the basis of our liberal-democracy and "inalienable" freedoms of speech, consceince, religion and assembly. It is what the EU and the liberal-left wish to remove in favour of handing the state the power to define "the good." Brighton Kemptown have a strong local councillor and former Mayor who is much liked in hsi own town of Peacehaven. Brighton Pavillion have a veteran UKIP candidate with a professional marketing consultancy background. All three candidates are high quality and as both Hove and Portslade and Brighton-Kemptown are marginals, UKIP will do extremenly well once their candidates start the campaign in earnest after the conference in September. Doug Carswell will not be the only MP to come over to UKIP. Several Sussex councillors plan to make the move soon adding to momentum. The contry is ready for a chnage form the old establishment parties and the Westminster elite. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: -3

6:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

It should also be pointed out that UKIP already has a candidate for Clacton.
It should also be pointed out that UKIP already has a candidate for Clacton. ok,jared
  • Score: -1

7:26pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Nikski says...

rayellerton wrote:
Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'
Keep taking the tablets.....hook line and sinker chum you've really swallowed it! Try engaging brain.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: Green have an agenda to return us to the stone age, Labour will pander to the Unions demands and their need to spend loads of our money, Conservatives talk a good game but are only interested in maintaining the status quo of bankers and big business. UKIP want to make GB a better place for us to live, REGARDLESS of any perceived 'class'[/p][/quote]Keep taking the tablets.....hook line and sinker chum you've really swallowed it! Try engaging brain. Nikski
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/



out_of_the_eu_into_t



he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily

.com/ukip-welcome-pr

oposed-free-trade-ag

reement-european-uni

on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
Lame excuse.
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse. HJarrs
  • Score: 4

7:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/




out_of_the_eu_into_t




he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily


.com/ukip-welcome-pr


oposed-free-trade-ag


reement-european-uni


on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
Lame excuse.
It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact. You hate them, I've noticed. ok,jared
  • Score: -1

7:37pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed!

Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.

UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.
Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed! Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up. UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world. HJarrs
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/





out_of_the_eu_into_t





he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily



.com/ukip-welcome-pr



oposed-free-trade-ag



reement-european-uni



on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
Lame excuse.
It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.
Another lame excuse.
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact. You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

7:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/






out_of_the_eu_into_t






he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily




.com/ukip-welcome-pr




oposed-free-trade-ag




reement-european-uni




on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
Lame excuse.
It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.
Another lame excuse.
What exactly was I excusing?

Your pathetic responses?

Your hatred of facts?

Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact. You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse.[/p][/quote]What exactly was I excusing? Your pathetic responses? Your hatred of facts? Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused. ok,jared
  • Score: -8

7:40pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed!

Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up.

UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.
" UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election"

Oh , no!!

A Party that wants to spread its appeal across the electorate?

The fiends!!!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Doug Carswell is definitely swivel eyed! Still, he has forced a by-election, which is fair enough, as the people of Clacton can make their minds up. UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election, and you better had not look too closely at the "fully costed" economic plans. But, all people will be doing is voting for an even more extreme version of the Tory party with an inward looking and negative view of the world.[/p][/quote]" UKIP will try to be all things to all people at the election" Oh , no!! A Party that wants to spread its appeal across the electorate? The fiends!!! ok,jared
  • Score: -12

7:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/







out_of_the_eu_into_t







he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing.

http://www.ukipdaily





.com/ukip-welcome-pr





oposed-free-trade-ag





reement-european-uni





on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo
Lame excuse.
It's not an excuse....it's a fact.

You hate them, I've noticed.
Another lame excuse.
What exactly was I excusing?

Your pathetic responses?

Your hatred of facts?

Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.
More lame excuses.
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]That's because the debate within UKIP is still continuing. http://www.ukipdaily .com/ukip-welcome-pr oposed-free-trade-ag reement-european-uni on-us/#.U_9gAmNAKVo[/p][/quote]Lame excuse.[/p][/quote]It's not an excuse....it's a fact. You hate them, I've noticed.[/p][/quote]Another lame excuse.[/p][/quote]What exactly was I excusing? Your pathetic responses? Your hatred of facts? Do tell, because I see you as a pathetic excuse, not something to be excused.[/p][/quote]More lame excuses. HJarrs
  • Score: 8

7:49pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarse:

"More lame excuses."

Unable to explain his own post.....again.

Pathetic.
HJarse: "More lame excuses." Unable to explain his own post.....again. Pathetic. ok,jared
  • Score: -5

7:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

ok,jared wrote:
HJarse:

"More lame excuses."

Unable to explain his own post.....again.

Pathetic.
Another excuse
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: HJarse: "More lame excuses." Unable to explain his own post.....again. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse HJarrs
  • Score: 5

8:10pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarse:

"More lame excuses."

Unable to explain his own post.....again.

Pathetic.
Another excuse
On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: HJarse: "More lame excuses." Unable to explain his own post.....again. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really. Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: -5

8:20pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarse:

"More lame excuses."

Unable to explain his own post.....again.

Pathetic.
Another excuse
On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.
His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.

He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: HJarse: "More lame excuses." Unable to explain his own post.....again. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.[/p][/quote]His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view. He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made. ok,jared
  • Score: -11

9:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

ok,jared wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
HJarse:

"More lame excuses."

Unable to explain his own post.....again.

Pathetic.
Another excuse
On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.
His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view.

He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.
More excuses
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: HJarse: "More lame excuses." Unable to explain his own post.....again. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Another excuse[/p][/quote]On thing is clear from this thread and that is H Jarrs, despite using lots of words, says nothing and when challenged has nothing to say - typical green Slime really.[/p][/quote]His responses show how pathetic and desperate he gets when confronted with thoughtful comments which shatter his cosy (but false) world-view. He is about to confirm that I'm right by failing to address the points I've just made.[/p][/quote]More excuses HJarrs
  • Score: 8

10:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.
Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens. NickBrt
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Ignore the continual smear campaign against UKIP. Ignore the Green Quislings. If you are British and patriotic then vote UKIP. UKIP are on a roll.
Ignore the continual smear campaign against UKIP. Ignore the Green Quislings. If you are British and patriotic then vote UKIP. UKIP are on a roll. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 1

11:00pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

NickBrt wrote:
Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.
Well, when you feel you have to post even when you have nothing to say, I suppose those posts are his only option.

HJarse did prove me right, which is something, I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.[/p][/quote]Well, when you feel you have to post even when you have nothing to say, I suppose those posts are his only option. HJarse did prove me right, which is something, I suppose. ok,jared
  • Score: -6

12:19am Fri 29 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

Hjarrs is a true politician. Denigrating others, claiming moral high ground and sidetracking questions about absurd claims. Hjarrs is a Green. I am Labour voter.
Hjarrs is a true politician. Denigrating others, claiming moral high ground and sidetracking questions about absurd claims. Hjarrs is a Green. I am Labour voter. NickBrt
  • Score: -2

1:34am Fri 29 Aug 14

Zeta Function says...

The country mustn't become inward looking, stodgy and starchy.

Once the Scots have voted we'll get a clearer view of the new political landscape.
The country mustn't become inward looking, stodgy and starchy. Once the Scots have voted we'll get a clearer view of the new political landscape. Zeta Function
  • Score: 0

1:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

UKIP, Tory, Labour, Lib Dems and all the other loons: giving morons everywhere the illusion of choice.
UKIP, Tory, Labour, Lib Dems and all the other loons: giving morons everywhere the illusion of choice. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 2

8:21am Fri 29 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

NickBrt wrote:
Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.
You must be a Labour spokesperson.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Must point out hjarrs is biased being a spokesperson (or smokescreen) for the Greens.[/p][/quote]You must be a Labour spokesperson. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kirk D says...

I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU. Kirk D
  • Score: 0

8:52am Fri 29 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Kirk D wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.
Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel? HJarrs
  • Score: 2

10:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.
Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?
Farage has made it quite clear that the UK will be entering trade deals with the entire world (including and especially those in Europe).
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: I have to say that I am against a pan European style TTIP. Agreement. There would necessarily need to be too many compromises and concessions. Companies like Monsanto would start to dictate terms. What guarantees would we have that hormone fed US beef, that has been banned for over 20 years, would enter our food chain. So I hope UKIP. do make a statement that denounces a pan European/US trade agreement, whilst promoting a unilateral deal if Britain opt out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Good, I am glad we are on the same page. The question is; is Nigel?[/p][/quote]Farage has made it quite clear that the UK will be entering trade deals with the entire world (including and especially those in Europe). ok,jared
  • Score: 0

10:33am Fri 29 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
They're packed full of codgers who ran away from London in the '70s when all the foreigners moved in. Since then, some of them have discovered Spain instead. I think there's a Spanish coastal town that might as well be called New Worthing, but its name escapes me.
[quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote: First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]They're packed full of codgers who ran away from London in the '70s when all the foreigners moved in. Since then, some of them have discovered Spain instead. I think there's a Spanish coastal town that might as well be called New Worthing, but its name escapes me. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -1

10:49am Fri 29 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

HJarrs wrote:
Kirk D wrote:
Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization.

For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link:

http://www.ukip.org/


out_of_the_eu_into_t


he_world_report
Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example?

This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.
No one knows what UKIP would be like in practice, because we're not psychic. But Tim Loughton has embarrassed his own supporters, constituents, (and colleagues?) for too long, and needs to go. If his constituency association can't be bothered to deal with him, then UKIP it might have to be.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Hjarrs, there's no mystery to the UKIP position on TTIP ! UKIP are utterly opposed to a European trade delegation making deals with. the US on our behalf. UKIP maintain that Britain should once again take up its vacant seat on the World Trade Organization. For further information about how Britain can successfully trade with the World.......& make her own deals which would not include TTIP, follow the link: http://www.ukip.org/ out_of_the_eu_into_t he_world_report[/p][/quote]Well, a quick squint at the report shows that TTIP is not covered. I quite understand UKIP's position on disagreeing with EU wide negotiation on trade deals, but this brings me no further. Why are UKIP so quiet on a trade deal that could force our hand on GM crops, or corporations able to sue member states (but individuals and countries do not have reciprocal agreements) for example? This is a trade deal primarily about protecting corporate inteterests before those of ordinary people. Not a peep from UKIP.[/p][/quote]No one knows what UKIP would be like in practice, because we're not psychic. But Tim Loughton has embarrassed his own supporters, constituents, (and colleagues?) for too long, and needs to go. If his constituency association can't be bothered to deal with him, then UKIP it might have to be. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -1

10:50am Fri 29 Aug 14

Kirk D says...

Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados.

Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..
Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados. Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though.. Kirk D
  • Score: 0

10:51am Fri 29 Aug 14

theargusissoinformative says...

ok,jared wrote:
sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.
Right compared with what? Right and wrong?
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote: First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment. They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]Right compared with what? Right and wrong? theargusissoinformative
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6:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Nikski says...

Kirk D wrote:
Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados.

Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..
Worthing is a beautiful sun-kissed paradise; not sure about the one in Barbados though.
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with Worthing. There is a Worthing in Barbados. Hjarrs,, It's axiomatic that if we leave the EU & once again take our seat on the WTO, we will be making trade deals the world over. What Europe negotiates with the States is their business. If we're not part of TTIP we won't. be at risk of major US corporations suing us for non compliance. I and some of my UKIP colleagues are as concerned about TTIP as you are. I will now ask questions to relevant UKIP people. Thanks for bringing it up though..[/p][/quote]Worthing is a beautiful sun-kissed paradise; not sure about the one in Barbados though. Nikski
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8:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
ok,jared wrote:
sweetnigel wrote:
First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea?
What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?
Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment.

They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.
Right compared with what? Right and wrong?
With regard to political stance, obviously.


What a stupid question.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sweetnigel[/bold] wrote: First its Clacton, now maybe my old home town of Shoreham-by-sea? What's with coastal towns swinging to the right?[/p][/quote]Er......the Tories are the party of choice at the moment. They were 'right wing' the last time I checked.[/p][/quote]Right compared with what? Right and wrong?[/p][/quote]With regard to political stance, obviously. What a stupid question. ok,jared
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