Homewood College ask for permission to install higher fence to stop pupils escaping

Homewood College

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BOSSES at a school for disruptive pupils want to build higher fences around the site to stop pupils escaping.

Homewood College has submitted a planning application to Brighton and Hove City Council for permission to build a 3m “anti-climb” mesh fence at the school site in Queensdown School Road, Brighton.

The small community special school takes pupils aged 11 to 16 with behavioural, emotional and social difficulties.

The application to the council states that the fence is needed to help “minimise the risk of absconding pupils”.

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11:53am Fri 29 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

Chain them up.

It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons.
Chain them up. It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons. ok,jared
  • Score: -20

4:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

What a terrible state of affairs that the School bosses feel this measure is necessary, and what a truly awful situation that this is caused by children.

Still, I dare say that for many of their failures it will be an early introduction to their future lives in prison.
What a terrible state of affairs that the School bosses feel this measure is necessary, and what a truly awful situation that this is caused by children. Still, I dare say that for many of their failures it will be an early introduction to their future lives in prison. Goldenwight
  • Score: 4

4:42pm Fri 29 Aug 14

derekhunt says...

ok,jared wrote:
Chain them up.

It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons.
Oh you are a card
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: Chain them up. It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons.[/p][/quote]Oh you are a card derekhunt
  • Score: -4

4:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

So its a Prison then. Well probably less porous than Ford open Prison.
So its a Prison then. Well probably less porous than Ford open Prison. Nosfaratu
  • Score: 8

6:11pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table.

Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit.

No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone.

Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones.

We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever.

Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right?

Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.
Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 10

6:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

BlackRocker says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table.

Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit.

No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone.

Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones.

We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever.

Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right?

Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.
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[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz BlackRocker
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

ok,jared says...

I'm so pleased that I've upset a load of stupid people.
I'm so pleased that I've upset a load of stupid people. ok,jared
  • Score: 7

8:54pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Sussex jim says...

Valerie Paynter is spot on. It is the lack of parental control that results in these problem children.
It also helps when both parents are around to provide guidance.
Valerie Paynter is spot on. It is the lack of parental control that results in these problem children. It also helps when both parents are around to provide guidance. Sussex jim
  • Score: 5

10:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Valentinian says...

Why can they not just power up the one they have . Where are the Pakistani groomers going to find their girlfriends
Why can they not just power up the one they have . Where are the Pakistani groomers going to find their girlfriends Valentinian
  • Score: 0

11:45pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Valentinian says...

ok,jared wrote:
Chain them up.

It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons.
It worked for me!
[quote][p][bold]ok,jared[/bold] wrote: Chain them up. It teaches them a lesson and ensures that they attend lessons.[/p][/quote]It worked for me! Valentinian
  • Score: 1

12:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

NickBrt says...

Put a picture of our green mp at the gates faving inwards. That will scare them witless.
Put a picture of our green mp at the gates faving inwards. That will scare them witless. NickBrt
  • Score: 6

3:31pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.
I agree with a lot of what you say, Valerie, but you are (despite the length of your post) considerably over-simplifying.

There are an almost infinite number of factors affecting our society and the way it develops and unfortunately it is beyond the limits of human intelligence to recognise them and mollify their effects.

And that is assuming we KNOW what sort of society we want for the future- do we REALLY want a re-run of the 1950s? The 1960s? The Spanish Inquisition? Well, I certainly didn't expect that, but you see my point.

We have to adapt to our current situation, and try to moderate the more sever effects of social changes without bringing about increased social disorder. And you thought the Planning committee at the Council had a hard time of it...
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.[/p][/quote]I agree with a lot of what you say, Valerie, but you are (despite the length of your post) considerably over-simplifying. There are an almost infinite number of factors affecting our society and the way it develops and unfortunately it is beyond the limits of human intelligence to recognise them and mollify their effects. And that is assuming we KNOW what sort of society we want for the future- do we REALLY want a re-run of the 1950s? The 1960s? The Spanish Inquisition? Well, I certainly didn't expect that, but you see my point. We have to adapt to our current situation, and try to moderate the more sever effects of social changes without bringing about increased social disorder. And you thought the Planning committee at the Council had a hard time of it... Goldenwight
  • Score: 2

7:42pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Sussex jim says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.
I agree with a lot of what you say, Valerie, but you are (despite the length of your post) considerably over-simplifying.

There are an almost infinite number of factors affecting our society and the way it develops and unfortunately it is beyond the limits of human intelligence to recognise them and mollify their effects.

And that is assuming we KNOW what sort of society we want for the future- do we REALLY want a re-run of the 1950s? The 1960s? The Spanish Inquisition? Well, I certainly didn't expect that, but you see my point.

We have to adapt to our current situation, and try to moderate the more sever effects of social changes without bringing about increased social disorder. And you thought the Planning committee at the Council had a hard time of it...
Back to the fifties would be good. Most families then had a sense of responsibility and children knew the acceptable boundaries of behavior. And Prime Minister Macmillan said "You've never had it so good"
Fifty years on we are having it even better, but some people don't appreciate it.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Children are given a lot of power and then go off the rails with with it. Mobile phones, iplayers plugged into heads, free to go out with no time deadline for being home .... ever.... midweek or weekend - and all this from about age 6-7. Homes rarely now provide a quiet evening with a sit-down supper which every member of the family shares over chat, all eating the same thing. Kids may not know any set time for meals outside school, but rather have the freedom of the fridge and cupboard. Mum or Dad may be making different food for everyone based on likes and dislikes. TV may be playing loudly while they eat. Manic, hysteria-prone football commentary may be the backing track to meal time, freaking out over the airwaves as some Formula 1 racing car, football player or horse does whatever it does. Maybe Mum or Dad are screaming at the kids, over the TV, at each other or even punching each other across the table. Bedtime? What's that? Just for inconvenient screaming babies ..... innit. No wonder the kids go insane, off the rails, spin out and need places like this. No wonder they are so wired, so twitchy, so not plugged in at school and violence-prone. Not all kids, not all families.....just far too many. And then when they get into clubbing, alcohol, sex we hear about their antics in Magaluf, see the photos in the papers of them sprawled in gutters of a night and when sober dreaming of becoming celebrities. Rich ones. We are not just seeing family breakdown. We are seeing civilisation and civilising of children, prioritising their health, becoming a parental option. Manners do not seem to exist any more in schools. Nobody feels they have to be quiet in a library. Libraries encourage socialising in them now. At university libraries the noise impacts on ability to do good work in them. People bellow across streets, down supermarket aisles, rooms, whereever. Moves to create quiet carriages on the trains are blocked. Noise and mania are everywhere. Trolls big themselves up by viciously abusing people on social media and article comment trails. Hey. Nobody stops them so its OK, right? Kids who do not end up in special measures or places like this school, who are not angry, violent, ignorant, insensitive, selfish and anti-social, who do well at school and don't feel compelled to bonk persistent blokes who don't feel they have to do drugs and alcohol to have a life have my undying admiration and respect because they are the survivors and achievers and maybe they got lucky in the parents department and do normal in spite of what goes on around them every day of their lives, either at home, in the street, wherever they go and at school.[/p][/quote]I agree with a lot of what you say, Valerie, but you are (despite the length of your post) considerably over-simplifying. There are an almost infinite number of factors affecting our society and the way it develops and unfortunately it is beyond the limits of human intelligence to recognise them and mollify their effects. And that is assuming we KNOW what sort of society we want for the future- do we REALLY want a re-run of the 1950s? The 1960s? The Spanish Inquisition? Well, I certainly didn't expect that, but you see my point. We have to adapt to our current situation, and try to moderate the more sever effects of social changes without bringing about increased social disorder. And you thought the Planning committee at the Council had a hard time of it...[/p][/quote]Back to the fifties would be good. Most families then had a sense of responsibility and children knew the acceptable boundaries of behavior. And Prime Minister Macmillan said "You've never had it so good" Fifty years on we are having it even better, but some people don't appreciate it. Sussex jim
  • Score: 1

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