The man helping people to squat in Brighton

The man helping people to squat in the city

The man helping people to squat in the city

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This is the family man helping squatters to take over empty businesses, The Argus can reveal.

Dave Adam, 40, has his own house, partner and a daughter, but is staying in a squat helping Brighton and Hove’s homeless population find shelter inside boarded up businesses.

He is currently staying at the Brewery Tap pub in North Road and helping co-ordinate the King of the Squatters contest – reported in The Argus on Tuesday, where whoever gains ‘six squats’ is crowned King – as a protest about the city’s homeless situation.

Inviting The Argus into the North Laine pub – which has been closed for almost a year – Mr Adam said: “We didn’t break in. We have legally taken possession.

“We have not caused any damage, nothing has been taken and we have even cleaned it up.

“We are organising King of the Squatters to make a political point. It’s a legitimate protest.

“We have been planning it on Facebook for months. It’s happening all over country. “These squats are like an unofficial hostel. These people would otherwise be on the beach or in doorways.

“People all over are taking possession of vacant buildings and letting homeless people stay there.”

Mr Adam says he invited homeless people sleeping on the city’s streets, the seafront and outside the First Base, a support service for rough sleepers, to stay in squats in commercial premises around the city.

Around 12 have been staying in the Brewery Tap for the past few nights.

He added: “I live in Brighton and have a partner and child. I’m doing this to highlight the plight of the homeless.

“I spoke to the owner and told her we’re squatting here. We have legally taken possession.

“We didn’t break in. The police arrested two people who broke in.”

Mr Adam said he was also in contact with a group of squatters occupying the Mariner pub in East Street and said he would be helping them fight eviction proceedings at Brighton County Court on Friday.

Sussex Police is aware of the occupation of squatters in the Brewery Tap but it is not believed that an eviction notice has been served.

To see a video of the inside of the Brewery Tap squat visit theargus.co.uk.

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7:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

rogerthefish says...

So does anyone know where he lives ?
So does anyone know where he lives ? rogerthefish
  • Score: 37

7:49am Thu 4 Sep 14

yatman says...

rogerthefish wrote:
So does anyone know where he lives ?
Check voter registration and if he is not on there he could be comitting an offence by not registering.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So does anyone know where he lives ?[/p][/quote]Check voter registration and if he is not on there he could be comitting an offence by not registering. yatman
  • Score: 12

8:28am Thu 4 Sep 14

Barney123 says...

I may be naive but I’m confused about his fight for housing for homeless people when this is linked to squatting in commercial property. Shouldn’t the protest be against vacant residential properties instead, not ones which need to have a change of use consent from the council for them to be converted from offices and shops to residential units – a consent which will likely be rejected anyway because of capacity issues in the Brighton and Hove area? Or maybe because it's more politically acceptable to take over commerical properties and less tricky in legal circles?
I may be naive but I’m confused about his fight for housing for homeless people when this is linked to squatting in commercial property. Shouldn’t the protest be against vacant residential properties instead, not ones which need to have a change of use consent from the council for them to be converted from offices and shops to residential units – a consent which will likely be rejected anyway because of capacity issues in the Brighton and Hove area? Or maybe because it's more politically acceptable to take over commerical properties and less tricky in legal circles? Barney123
  • Score: 19

8:40am Thu 4 Sep 14

IratusFurcifer says...

Does Mr Adams have a proper day job?
Is his house a council house?
There are plenty of empty houses up north, whole streets I've heard. Salford Manchester is probably a good start.
I find if you work you can pay rent and if you can't afford the prices in one area you look elsewhere.......that
's what most people seem to do........
Does Mr Adams have a proper day job? Is his house a council house? There are plenty of empty houses up north, whole streets I've heard. Salford Manchester is probably a good start. I find if you work you can pay rent and if you can't afford the prices in one area you look elsewhere.......that 's what most people seem to do........ IratusFurcifer
  • Score: 35

8:42am Thu 4 Sep 14

s&k says...

Can he help me with my tax avoidance and benefit fiddle?
Can he help me with my tax avoidance and benefit fiddle? s&k
  • Score: 33

8:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

Skidrow says...

s&k wrote:
Can he help me with my tax avoidance and benefit fiddle?
Well if you aren't paying any tax & are claiming from another address he probably can't help you... :-)
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Can he help me with my tax avoidance and benefit fiddle?[/p][/quote]Well if you aren't paying any tax & are claiming from another address he probably can't help you... :-) Skidrow
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 4 Sep 14

Fight_Back says...

I actually don't have a problem with squatters taking over redundant commercial premises just as long as they don't damage them and move out as soon as the owner requests. After all, the council constantly claim that we don't have a homeless problem in this city - anyone who can walk along the streets of the city can see we clearly do.
I actually don't have a problem with squatters taking over redundant commercial premises just as long as they don't damage them and move out as soon as the owner requests. After all, the council constantly claim that we don't have a homeless problem in this city - anyone who can walk along the streets of the city can see we clearly do. Fight_Back
  • Score: 30

9:16am Thu 4 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Let's all and squat in his home. We promise to clean it up. It could probably do with it!
Let's all and squat in his home. We promise to clean it up. It could probably do with it! NickBrt
  • Score: 4

9:22am Thu 4 Sep 14

FC says...

Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.
Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE. FC
  • Score: -6

9:25am Thu 4 Sep 14

Iain Chambers says...

Barney123 Squatting in residential properties is now illegal following a change in the law in 2012, introduced as an early day motion by Mike Weatherley, Hove's Conservative MP. What used to end in eviction would now end up with a criminal prosecution and possibly jail.
The new law does not apply to commercial property.
Barney123 Squatting in residential properties is now illegal following a change in the law in 2012, introduced as an early day motion by Mike Weatherley, Hove's Conservative MP. What used to end in eviction would now end up with a criminal prosecution and possibly jail. The new law does not apply to commercial property. Iain Chambers
  • Score: 33

9:28am Thu 4 Sep 14

NathanAdler says...

Looks like he needs a good wash.

I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that?
Looks like he needs a good wash. I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that? NathanAdler
  • Score: -9

9:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

fixithove says...

Yet another raving Looney!

He appears to be a social dropout who is seeking attention with a need to be recognised for something.

His time would be better spent trying to force the council to make the owners of empty properties renovate them and bring them back on the market and that includes some empty council properties.

Does Mr Adam have a job or is he claiming benefits and housing benefit because if he does have a proper job how has he the time to squat?

I feel very sorry for his daughter as she will grow up thinking what her father is doing is the norm!

As far as I can see most squatters are just in it for somewhere to live free of charge rather than work for a living and rent somewhere.
Yet another raving Looney! He appears to be a social dropout who is seeking attention with a need to be recognised for something. His time would be better spent trying to force the council to make the owners of empty properties renovate them and bring them back on the market and that includes some empty council properties. Does Mr Adam have a job or is he claiming benefits and housing benefit because if he does have a proper job how has he the time to squat? I feel very sorry for his daughter as she will grow up thinking what her father is doing is the norm! As far as I can see most squatters are just in it for somewhere to live free of charge rather than work for a living and rent somewhere. fixithove
  • Score: 1

9:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

maxwell's dad says...

Many pubs and other commercial premises are now redundant, but they cannot be converted to housing without them being empty for some time to prove there is no commercial need for them. The owner of this ex pub probably wants to do something with it, but cannot at present. Squatters will just add to the costs involved for someone who could already be in financial trouble because their business has folded. Just because you own a property does not mean you are wealthy. These squatters need to get jobs to keep them occupied. They obviously have too much time on their hands.
Many pubs and other commercial premises are now redundant, but they cannot be converted to housing without them being empty for some time to prove there is no commercial need for them. The owner of this ex pub probably wants to do something with it, but cannot at present. Squatters will just add to the costs involved for someone who could already be in financial trouble because their business has folded. Just because you own a property does not mean you are wealthy. These squatters need to get jobs to keep them occupied. They obviously have too much time on their hands. maxwell's dad
  • Score: 3

10:01am Thu 4 Sep 14

maxwell's dad says...

The owners of this building would probably be more than happy to convert it to housing,but it's not that easy. It has to be empty for some time, to prove there is no commercial need for it, and if it's in the wrong zone, it can only be commercial. Finding new businesses to take over old pubs is very difficult. Squatters just add to the costs for the owners at what could be a time of dire financial straits if their business has failed. These squatters need to get themselves jobs -they obviously have too much time on their hands
The owners of this building would probably be more than happy to convert it to housing,but it's not that easy. It has to be empty for some time, to prove there is no commercial need for it, and if it's in the wrong zone, it can only be commercial. Finding new businesses to take over old pubs is very difficult. Squatters just add to the costs for the owners at what could be a time of dire financial straits if their business has failed. These squatters need to get themselves jobs -they obviously have too much time on their hands maxwell's dad
  • Score: -2

10:01am Thu 4 Sep 14

Goldenwight says...

Can 'The Argus' (or anyone else for that matter) PLEASE provide a link to this video, because I simply can't see it on the website- and it would at least provide some evidence as to just how much these squatters are keeping the property clean and tidy, and what improvements they have undertaken.
Can 'The Argus' (or anyone else for that matter) PLEASE provide a link to this video, because I simply can't see it on the website- and it would at least provide some evidence as to just how much these squatters are keeping the property clean and tidy, and what improvements they have undertaken. Goldenwight
  • Score: -8

10:02am Thu 4 Sep 14

yatman says...

Iain Chambers wrote:
Barney123 Squatting in residential properties is now illegal following a change in the law in 2012, introduced as an early day motion by Mike Weatherley, Hove's Conservative MP. What used to end in eviction would now end up with a criminal prosecution and possibly jail.
The new law does not apply to commercial property.
Not yet.
[quote][p][bold]Iain Chambers[/bold] wrote: Barney123 Squatting in residential properties is now illegal following a change in the law in 2012, introduced as an early day motion by Mike Weatherley, Hove's Conservative MP. What used to end in eviction would now end up with a criminal prosecution and possibly jail. The new law does not apply to commercial property.[/p][/quote]Not yet. yatman
  • Score: 0

10:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

TIMBURRY says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Can 'The Argus' (or anyone else for that matter) PLEASE provide a link to this video, because I simply can't see it on the website- and it would at least provide some evidence as to just how much these squatters are keeping the property clean and tidy, and what improvements they have undertaken.
I've looked and can't find it
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Can 'The Argus' (or anyone else for that matter) PLEASE provide a link to this video, because I simply can't see it on the website- and it would at least provide some evidence as to just how much these squatters are keeping the property clean and tidy, and what improvements they have undertaken.[/p][/quote]I've looked and can't find it TIMBURRY
  • Score: 2

10:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

RootyRoo says...

Please let me know his address, I want to squat down in his house.
Please let me know his address, I want to squat down in his house. RootyRoo
  • Score: 12

10:28am Thu 4 Sep 14

Spx says...

I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity. Spx
  • Score: -20

10:53am Thu 4 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Your anonymous too spx. Pot and kettle, eh?!
Your anonymous too spx. Pot and kettle, eh?! NickBrt
  • Score: 9

10:57am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nosfaratu says...

RootyRoo wrote:
Please let me know his address, I want to squat down in his house.
Please use the facilities provided, prob need to use your own paper.
[quote][p][bold]RootyRoo[/bold] wrote: Please let me know his address, I want to squat down in his house.[/p][/quote]Please use the facilities provided, prob need to use your own paper. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -19

11:06am Thu 4 Sep 14

Spx says...

NickBrt wrote:
Your anonymous too spx. Pot and kettle, eh?!
I'm not slagging anyone off for their beliefs - today
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Your anonymous too spx. Pot and kettle, eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not slagging anyone off for their beliefs - today Spx
  • Score: -13

11:12am Thu 4 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Wonder who will be the first of his neighbours to disclose where he lives !
Wonder who will be the first of his neighbours to disclose where he lives ! NickBrt
  • Score: 2

11:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

brightonwhatwhat says...

Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
[quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires. brightonwhatwhat
  • Score: 24

11:23am Thu 4 Sep 14

brightonwhatwhat says...

Apologies for the spelling above, that's typing on a train using a phone lol
Apologies for the spelling above, that's typing on a train using a phone lol brightonwhatwhat
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Thu 4 Sep 14

gazzamagoo says...

Whether they 'broke in' or not surely they are trespassing on someones private property? Just because a building is not secured enough doesn't mean you have a right to enter it.
Whether they 'broke in' or not surely they are trespassing on someones private property? Just because a building is not secured enough doesn't mean you have a right to enter it. gazzamagoo
  • Score: 17

12:35pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Stoney33 says...

if they're not causing damage, and this is genuinely giving people a roof over their head, then why not use them? if the buildings only going to remain empty anyway, better someone makes some use of it, than it sit their empty

If they're not respecting it properly, then turf them out, but if theyre not causing harm or breaking the law, why not?
if they're not causing damage, and this is genuinely giving people a roof over their head, then why not use them? if the buildings only going to remain empty anyway, better someone makes some use of it, than it sit their empty If they're not respecting it properly, then turf them out, but if theyre not causing harm or breaking the law, why not? Stoney33
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Spx says...

brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!!
[quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!! Spx
  • Score: -13

1:21pm Thu 4 Sep 14

tinker111 says...

FC wrote:
Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.
**** , **** now does this not what BRIGHTON stands for ??.
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.[/p][/quote]**** , **** now does this not what BRIGHTON stands for ??. tinker111
  • Score: -4

1:49pm Thu 4 Sep 14

kjjhdkjahkfj says...

Usual ridiculous comments on here. Not necessarily agreeing with the practice but housing costs in Brighton & Hove need a serious debate, the wages in the city are now so out of whack with the cost of living this will become the norm in years to come if someone doesn't take a stand and I'd personally rather people had a roof over their heads than be in doorways or on the beach. That opinion will however be at odds with the knuckle dragging, Daily Mail reading idiots that seem to comment on pretty much any article on here whose spine seems to be entirely made up of that stringy bit of copper wire that's connecting them to the outside world. Have some compassion and empathy for once, desperate people need help not abuse.
Usual ridiculous comments on here. Not necessarily agreeing with the practice but housing costs in Brighton & Hove need a serious debate, the wages in the city are now so out of whack with the cost of living this will become the norm in years to come if someone doesn't take a stand and I'd personally rather people had a roof over their heads than be in doorways or on the beach. That opinion will however be at odds with the knuckle dragging, Daily Mail reading idiots that seem to comment on pretty much any article on here whose spine seems to be entirely made up of that stringy bit of copper wire that's connecting them to the outside world. Have some compassion and empathy for once, desperate people need help not abuse. kjjhdkjahkfj
  • Score: -13

1:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

PaulJo says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Looks like he needs a good wash.

I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that?
........alternativel
y he's someone who cares deeply about others less fortunate, and his daughter is proud of that fact?

I know who'd I'd probably rather know on a personal level, and it's the person who wouldn't judge me negatively if I happened to look slightly dishevelled.

My old man had a fairly low paid manual job, my mother didn't work other than looking after us, and yet he managed to buy a house for us all to live in. This is now impossible, nobody on a low or minimum wage can remotely afford to buy anything in 95% of the UK.

The day homes became an investment opportunity rather than a place to live, was the day average Joe found himself slowly being pushed out of the housing market, starting with the lowest paid and moving up. That stinks.

Oh, and before you accuse me of being an unwashed lefty criminal, I work full time and bring up a family, but I have some human compassion that's all, and get fed up of the rich getting richer on the back of others.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Looks like he needs a good wash. I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that?[/p][/quote]........alternativel y he's someone who cares deeply about others less fortunate, and his daughter is proud of that fact? I know who'd I'd probably rather know on a personal level, and it's the person who wouldn't judge me negatively if I happened to look slightly dishevelled. My old man had a fairly low paid manual job, my mother didn't work other than looking after us, and yet he managed to buy a house for us all to live in. This is now impossible, nobody on a low or minimum wage can remotely afford to buy anything in 95% of the UK. The day homes became an investment opportunity rather than a place to live, was the day average Joe found himself slowly being pushed out of the housing market, starting with the lowest paid and moving up. That stinks. Oh, and before you accuse me of being an unwashed lefty criminal, I work full time and bring up a family, but I have some human compassion that's all, and get fed up of the rich getting richer on the back of others. PaulJo
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Thu 4 Sep 14

hoveguyactually says...

I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.
I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -7

2:41pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Spx says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.
They're all illegal immigrants, so are you - get off my planet!
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.[/p][/quote]They're all illegal immigrants, so are you - get off my planet! Spx
  • Score: -25

3:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

vogon1 says...

I agree with what mr adam is trying to achieve but the way he is going about it is not appropriate.. We all want/need better in life but you cant just go and take things that arent yours. You have to work to get things. Its called , EARNING. I want a car. Is it ok for me to find one thats unlocked and just take it?
I agree with what mr adam is trying to achieve but the way he is going about it is not appropriate.. We all want/need better in life but you cant just go and take things that arent yours. You have to work to get things. Its called , EARNING. I want a car. Is it ok for me to find one thats unlocked and just take it? vogon1
  • Score: 14

3:13pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Goldenwight says...

I see the usual trolls and morons have finally got out of bed...
I see the usual trolls and morons have finally got out of bed... Goldenwight
  • Score: -44

3:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

her professional says...

brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
You're so right, it's not all black and white. Everyone who has the label squatter or homeless attached to them also has a story. Those who help vulnerable people will tell you about the diverse backgrounds and circumstances that lead to folk reaching rock bottom. Good luck to those of you on here who are so sure of yourselves that you think it can never happen to you. I hope it doesn't, but if the worst comes to the worst, and your life spirals out of control, think yourselves lucky that not everyone thinks like you, and there will more than likely be a helping hand for you out there somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]You're so right, it's not all black and white. Everyone who has the label squatter or homeless attached to them also has a story. Those who help vulnerable people will tell you about the diverse backgrounds and circumstances that lead to folk reaching rock bottom. Good luck to those of you on here who are so sure of yourselves that you think it can never happen to you. I hope it doesn't, but if the worst comes to the worst, and your life spirals out of control, think yourselves lucky that not everyone thinks like you, and there will more than likely be a helping hand for you out there somewhere. her professional
  • Score: 11

3:39pm Thu 4 Sep 14

yatman says...

Stoney33 wrote:
if they're not causing damage, and this is genuinely giving people a roof over their head, then why not use them? if the buildings only going to remain empty anyway, better someone makes some use of it, than it sit their empty

If they're not respecting it properly, then turf them out, but if theyre not causing harm or breaking the law, why not?
Because it does not belong to them moron.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney33[/bold] wrote: if they're not causing damage, and this is genuinely giving people a roof over their head, then why not use them? if the buildings only going to remain empty anyway, better someone makes some use of it, than it sit their empty If they're not respecting it properly, then turf them out, but if theyre not causing harm or breaking the law, why not?[/p][/quote]Because it does not belong to them moron. yatman
  • Score: -6

3:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Nikski says...

vogon1 wrote:
I agree with what mr adam is trying to achieve but the way he is going about it is not appropriate.. We all want/need better in life but you cant just go and take things that arent yours. You have to work to get things. Its called , EARNING. I want a car. Is it ok for me to find one thats unlocked and just take it?
A roof over your head is hardly a 'better thing in life' though eh?
[quote][p][bold]vogon1[/bold] wrote: I agree with what mr adam is trying to achieve but the way he is going about it is not appropriate.. We all want/need better in life but you cant just go and take things that arent yours. You have to work to get things. Its called , EARNING. I want a car. Is it ok for me to find one thats unlocked and just take it?[/p][/quote]A roof over your head is hardly a 'better thing in life' though eh? Nikski
  • Score: -8

3:56pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Nikski says...

Spx wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.
They're all illegal immigrants, so are you - get off my planet!
Yeah these human beings are ruining it for the rest of us!
[quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.[/p][/quote]They're all illegal immigrants, so are you - get off my planet![/p][/quote]Yeah these human beings are ruining it for the rest of us! Nikski
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Nikski says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Looks like he needs a good wash.

I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that?
And you are a tool of the lowest order Adler. A fool to boot
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Looks like he needs a good wash. I bet he thinks he is really cool and trendy helping criminals sleep criminally. In reality, he is a tool of the highest order. I feel so sorry for his poor daughter. Fancy having a dad like that?[/p][/quote]And you are a tool of the lowest order Adler. A fool to boot Nikski
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Btn4all says...

I believe the motives of this chap are sound and the arguments here display thr biggots and the morally awake. It is societies responsibility to resolve issues we create and the debate starts with actions like this. Exclusion or apathy are both breeding grounds for negativity.
I believe the motives of this chap are sound and the arguments here display thr biggots and the morally awake. It is societies responsibility to resolve issues we create and the debate starts with actions like this. Exclusion or apathy are both breeding grounds for negativity. Btn4all
  • Score: -3

4:04pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Nikski says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.
Let me guess, you read it in the Daily Mail....?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.[/p][/quote]Let me guess, you read it in the Daily Mail....? Nikski
  • Score: -3

4:10pm Thu 4 Sep 14

NathanAdler says...

As with most things decent, the majority of people on here are rightfully against some do-gooding Marxist scumbag helping set up illegal drug users dosing in illegal spaces.

For all the idots who are saying how great he is, why don't you offer the poor, needy homless a shelter? Why don't you do a soup run on cold evenings? Why don't you hug them when they start shouting at you in the streets.

The reason you don't, is becaue your foul and hateful politics just make you moan about capitialism and how bad everything is just because you are too bone idle to get on life yourself.

Moans aside, I wish to add that it must be awful living on the streets - scarey, lonely, cold and most of all an ironic sense of isolation even though you are amongst thousands of pedestrians each day.
As with most things decent, the majority of people on here are rightfully against some do-gooding Marxist scumbag helping set up illegal drug users dosing in illegal spaces. For all the idots who are saying how great he is, why don't you offer the poor, needy homless a shelter? Why don't you do a soup run on cold evenings? Why don't you hug them when they start shouting at you in the streets. The reason you don't, is becaue your foul and hateful politics just make you moan about capitialism and how bad everything is just because you are too bone idle to get on life yourself. Moans aside, I wish to add that it must be awful living on the streets - scarey, lonely, cold and most of all an ironic sense of isolation even though you are amongst thousands of pedestrians each day. NathanAdler
  • Score: 7

4:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Handy-ish Andy says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.
http://www.squatter.
org.uk/page/7/?optio
n=com_fireboard&func
=userlist&Itemid=35&
orderby=name&directi
on=ASC&limit=5&limit
start=5080
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of these squatters are illegal immigrants. A few years ago I read an article about a group they could contact as soon as they arrive in this country. They would then be told how to take over a building, and the advice included breaking in.[/p][/quote]http://www.squatter. org.uk/page/7/?optio n=com_fireboard&func =userlist&Itemid=35& orderby=name&directi on=ASC&limit=5&limit start=5080 Handy-ish Andy
  • Score: -5

5:26pm Thu 4 Sep 14

fredaj says...

Where did all the comments go?
Where did all the comments go? fredaj
  • Score: 2

5:27pm Thu 4 Sep 14

fredaj says...

fredaj wrote:
Where did all the comments go?
Forget it - they are back!
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Where did all the comments go?[/p][/quote]Forget it - they are back! fredaj
  • Score: 4

5:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

where did all the comments go? long time passing. where did all the comments go? long time ago.
where did all the comments go? long time passing. where did all the comments go? long time ago. NickBrt
  • Score: -3

6:24pm Thu 4 Sep 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law.

It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime.
The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law. It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -10

6:53pm Thu 4 Sep 14

west hove says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law.

It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime.
Squatting commercial properties is not against the law. So maybe you should be arrested for inciting the police to break the law?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law. It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime.[/p][/quote]Squatting commercial properties is not against the law. So maybe you should be arrested for inciting the police to break the law? west hove
  • Score: -6

7:10pm Thu 4 Sep 14

yifat says...

well done for highlighting the plight of the homeless, especially with the colder weather coming. People have to solve the housing crisis themselves not wait for politicians to do it for them. you're a hero!
well done for highlighting the plight of the homeless, especially with the colder weather coming. People have to solve the housing crisis themselves not wait for politicians to do it for them. you're a hero! yifat
  • Score: 3

8:00pm Thu 4 Sep 14

tez1959 says...

omg this is an easy one let the scum lodge at his house if hes that bl..dy concerned simple as that.............
omg this is an easy one let the scum lodge at his house if hes that bl..dy concerned simple as that............. tez1959
  • Score: -3

8:22pm Thu 4 Sep 14

pte says...

Probably rough justice on the brewery because they make their profits from people drinking themselves into the gutter.

It's better they stay in an empty property than sit on the pavement when I'm trying to do my shopping.

It's no good telling them to get a job and pay their way like everyone else because they have mental health and drug issues.

Police are too soft, they should hassle them off the streets so there's an incentive to get help and cleaned up. If you leave them be unmolested that isn't kindness or easy going tolerance, that's uncaring license to drink yourself to death
Probably rough justice on the brewery because they make their profits from people drinking themselves into the gutter. It's better they stay in an empty property than sit on the pavement when I'm trying to do my shopping. It's no good telling them to get a job and pay their way like everyone else because they have mental health and drug issues. Police are too soft, they should hassle them off the streets so there's an incentive to get help and cleaned up. If you leave them be unmolested that isn't kindness or easy going tolerance, that's uncaring license to drink yourself to death pte
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

brightonwhatwhat says...

Spx wrote:
brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!!
It's not a dream flat, it is a room to rent in a house share (a place to start) and then save for a deposit for their own flat. Minimum wage pays at least £800 a month full time and there are dozens of rooms to rent on gumtree and rightmove that would only cost half a months wage. That isnt exactly a pipe dream, its absolutely achievable within a month.

Once they are in a room they can get on the council housing list, or save for a studio, or one bed flat....

I was on the train back from my job, one I worked hard to get and travel for 2hrs to get to. I work hard, i provide for my family and in have achieved things by hard work. Getting up early, not being indulgent.

It's all too easy to just take, but not earn.

One thing that seems to keep being missed is the expense to the landlord for legal action to get the squatters out. Thousands. What about that cost?
It's not just about vacant properties. If they moved out when asked it would be no problem, but they don't, they require court an solicitors and money, but only to the owners, not the squatters, no expense whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!![/p][/quote]It's not a dream flat, it is a room to rent in a house share (a place to start) and then save for a deposit for their own flat. Minimum wage pays at least £800 a month full time and there are dozens of rooms to rent on gumtree and rightmove that would only cost half a months wage. That isnt exactly a pipe dream, its absolutely achievable within a month. Once they are in a room they can get on the council housing list, or save for a studio, or one bed flat.... I was on the train back from my job, one I worked hard to get and travel for 2hrs to get to. I work hard, i provide for my family and in have achieved things by hard work. Getting up early, not being indulgent. It's all too easy to just take, but not earn. One thing that seems to keep being missed is the expense to the landlord for legal action to get the squatters out. Thousands. What about that cost? It's not just about vacant properties. If they moved out when asked it would be no problem, but they don't, they require court an solicitors and money, but only to the owners, not the squatters, no expense whatsoever. brightonwhatwhat
  • Score: 8

8:53pm Thu 4 Sep 14

brightonwhatwhat says...

her professional wrote:
brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
You're so right, it's not all black and white. Everyone who has the label squatter or homeless attached to them also has a story. Those who help vulnerable people will tell you about the diverse backgrounds and circumstances that lead to folk reaching rock bottom. Good luck to those of you on here who are so sure of yourselves that you think it can never happen to you. I hope it doesn't, but if the worst comes to the worst, and your life spirals out of control, think yourselves lucky that not everyone thinks like you, and there will more than likely be a helping hand for you out there somewhere.
But this debate isn't about homeless people, or the cost of rent, or wages. It is about right and wrong. If it ok to take something from someone else that isn't yours because you need it? And is it right to help people take things that don't belong to them?
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]You're so right, it's not all black and white. Everyone who has the label squatter or homeless attached to them also has a story. Those who help vulnerable people will tell you about the diverse backgrounds and circumstances that lead to folk reaching rock bottom. Good luck to those of you on here who are so sure of yourselves that you think it can never happen to you. I hope it doesn't, but if the worst comes to the worst, and your life spirals out of control, think yourselves lucky that not everyone thinks like you, and there will more than likely be a helping hand for you out there somewhere.[/p][/quote]But this debate isn't about homeless people, or the cost of rent, or wages. It is about right and wrong. If it ok to take something from someone else that isn't yours because you need it? And is it right to help people take things that don't belong to them? brightonwhatwhat
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Bill in Hanover says...

rogerthefish wrote:
So does anyone know where he lives ?
You don't think he'd publish his address do you and have scummy squatters turn up on his doorstep. No, he's more than happy to have them infest other people's buildings
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: So does anyone know where he lives ?[/p][/quote]You don't think he'd publish his address do you and have scummy squatters turn up on his doorstep. No, he's more than happy to have them infest other people's buildings Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 6

9:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

brightonwhatwhat says...

west hove wrote:
getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law.

It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime.
Squatting commercial properties is not against the law. So maybe you should be arrested for inciting the police to break the law?
But causing damage to any premises be it residential or commercial is illegal. It's not the occupation that is illegal, it's the causing damage to get in - smashing the windows, crowbaring the door that is the illegal bit.

And the victims are the landlords (often not wealthy) and the neighbours who have to put up with the associated disorder.
[quote][p][bold]west hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: The police should arrest this worthless cretin as he is inciting others to break the law. It infuriates me that the police do nothing when squatters break into a building, that is illegal. Everyone in the property should also be arrested as they are accomplices to the crime.[/p][/quote]Squatting commercial properties is not against the law. So maybe you should be arrested for inciting the police to break the law?[/p][/quote]But causing damage to any premises be it residential or commercial is illegal. It's not the occupation that is illegal, it's the causing damage to get in - smashing the windows, crowbaring the door that is the illegal bit. And the victims are the landlords (often not wealthy) and the neighbours who have to put up with the associated disorder. brightonwhatwhat
  • Score: 6

9:32pm Thu 4 Sep 14

kjjhdkjahkfj says...

brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!!
It's not a dream flat, it is a room to rent in a house share (a place to start) and then save for a deposit for their own flat. Minimum wage pays at least £800 a month full time and there are dozens of rooms to rent on gumtree and rightmove that would only cost half a months wage. That isnt exactly a pipe dream, its absolutely achievable within a month.

Once they are in a room they can get on the council housing list, or save for a studio, or one bed flat....

I was on the train back from my job, one I worked hard to get and travel for 2hrs to get to. I work hard, i provide for my family and in have achieved things by hard work. Getting up early, not being indulgent.

It's all too easy to just take, but not earn.

One thing that seems to keep being missed is the expense to the landlord for legal action to get the squatters out. Thousands. What about that cost?
It's not just about vacant properties. If they moved out when asked it would be no problem, but they don't, they require court an solicitors and money, but only to the owners, not the squatters, no expense whatsoever.
I agree, problem is with your argument is you were clearly lucky enough in life (like me) not to have developed mental health problems or have been cursed with addiction problems or any number of things that could leave you destitute (never hold your breath mind you!), it's not as easy as you claim for some, and downright impossible for a few.
[quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]In the real world people need a bloke like Adam, have a look at the hostels you've mentioned and have a look at the squats this guy is opening up for them. Have a look at the £800 per month jobs and ask yourself where people live when they're saving for the deposit for the fantasy flat you mention. Squatters aren't that different to you, they don't have the 'capacity' to sort themselves out as easily as you believe. I bet they dream of being on the train to see an Elton John concert like you. The joy in someone's heart when they see this guy climb up a drainpipe one minute and open the door to an old forgotten pub the next must be immense. What would they think if you put your arm around them and take them to a hostel!!![/p][/quote]It's not a dream flat, it is a room to rent in a house share (a place to start) and then save for a deposit for their own flat. Minimum wage pays at least £800 a month full time and there are dozens of rooms to rent on gumtree and rightmove that would only cost half a months wage. That isnt exactly a pipe dream, its absolutely achievable within a month. Once they are in a room they can get on the council housing list, or save for a studio, or one bed flat.... I was on the train back from my job, one I worked hard to get and travel for 2hrs to get to. I work hard, i provide for my family and in have achieved things by hard work. Getting up early, not being indulgent. It's all too easy to just take, but not earn. One thing that seems to keep being missed is the expense to the landlord for legal action to get the squatters out. Thousands. What about that cost? It's not just about vacant properties. If they moved out when asked it would be no problem, but they don't, they require court an solicitors and money, but only to the owners, not the squatters, no expense whatsoever.[/p][/quote]I agree, problem is with your argument is you were clearly lucky enough in life (like me) not to have developed mental health problems or have been cursed with addiction problems or any number of things that could leave you destitute (never hold your breath mind you!), it's not as easy as you claim for some, and downright impossible for a few. kjjhdkjahkfj
  • Score: 0

11:45pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Motorcyclist says...

Bsxking1 wrote:
Squatters are scum who cause nothing but problems and misery for property owners and landlords trashing and usually leaving the place a sh** hole get a job n pay your way like decent people, oh and have a wash
Has Stevo returned? I was enjoying his absence. :)
[quote][p][bold]Bsxking1[/bold] wrote: Squatters are scum who cause nothing but problems and misery for property owners and landlords trashing and usually leaving the place a sh** hole get a job n pay your way like decent people, oh and have a wash[/p][/quote]Has Stevo returned? I was enjoying his absence. :) Motorcyclist
  • Score: 0

1:21am Fri 5 Sep 14

losdude says...

there are so many vacant premises around brighton so why not let the homeless take shelter in them?
I would love roles to be reversed and see how the homeless react when they're living in your homes and see you all cold hungry and dying on the streets....... or perhaps that's what you're afraid of?
there are so many vacant premises around brighton so why not let the homeless take shelter in them? I would love roles to be reversed and see how the homeless react when they're living in your homes and see you all cold hungry and dying on the streets....... or perhaps that's what you're afraid of? losdude
  • Score: 1

9:00am Fri 5 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

Why can't they send in Simon'the ferret' and his Mob to sort them out...
Why can't they send in Simon'the ferret' and his Mob to sort them out... Valentinian
  • Score: 0

9:13am Fri 5 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

PUT YOUR HEAD BACK IN MATE, IT looks like a bleeding cattle truck,
PUT YOUR HEAD BACK IN MATE, IT looks like a bleeding cattle truck, Valentinian
  • Score: -3

9:43am Fri 5 Sep 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers?

If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton.

Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age.

I wish it were as simple as you make out.
[quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers? If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton. Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age. I wish it were as simple as you make out. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 3

10:08am Fri 5 Sep 14

Goldenwight says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers?

If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton.

Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age.

I wish it were as simple as you make out.
Since you work with young homeless people, and are obviously aware of the £78 Housing Benefit rate, perhaps you would like to share with us the amount of Housing Benefit paid for hostel rooms in Brighton? I believe figures vary between £200 and £400 a week, depending on location and the precise nature of services provided.

Brighton is, for some reason which I have never fully understood, a magnet for homeless people. Part of this is undoubtedly the discharge policy at HMP Lewes, but by no means all.

The fact is, a substantial proportion of Brighton's homeless population do not really have any 'local connection' to the City- and are thus ineligible for Local Authority Housing. And as has been pointed out above, there are hundreds of housing opportunities in other areas where private landlords are prepared to accept benefits claimants (sometimes without deposits). Not exclusively in deprived parts of the North, either- Littlehampton and Bognor fall into this category too. I am aware of a number of LAs who actively make use of this information, and when a homeless person turns up on their doorstep will fund their travel elsewhere.

Perhaps BHCC should be thinking along those lines?
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers? If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton. Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age. I wish it were as simple as you make out.[/p][/quote]Since you work with young homeless people, and are obviously aware of the £78 Housing Benefit rate, perhaps you would like to share with us the amount of Housing Benefit paid for hostel rooms in Brighton? I believe figures vary between £200 and £400 a week, depending on location and the precise nature of services provided. Brighton is, for some reason which I have never fully understood, a magnet for homeless people. Part of this is undoubtedly the discharge policy at HMP Lewes, but by no means all. The fact is, a substantial proportion of Brighton's homeless population do not really have any 'local connection' to the City- and are thus ineligible for Local Authority Housing. And as has been pointed out above, there are hundreds of housing opportunities in other areas where private landlords are prepared to accept benefits claimants (sometimes without deposits). Not exclusively in deprived parts of the North, either- Littlehampton and Bognor fall into this category too. I am aware of a number of LAs who actively make use of this information, and when a homeless person turns up on their doorstep will fund their travel elsewhere. Perhaps BHCC should be thinking along those lines? Goldenwight
  • Score: 1

11:51am Fri 5 Sep 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Goldenwight wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
brightonwhatwhat wrote:
Spx wrote:
I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.
How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat?

It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle.

And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless.
There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents.

Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels:
New Steine Mews Hostel
Phase One Regency Sq
Oriental Place Hostel
First base Montpelier Road
Olympus House Marine Parade
William Collier House North Road
The Foyer Pelham Street
Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade.

To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded.

Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that?

Please people, its never that black and white.

The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things.

And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.
I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers?

If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton.

Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age.

I wish it were as simple as you make out.
Since you work with young homeless people, and are obviously aware of the £78 Housing Benefit rate, perhaps you would like to share with us the amount of Housing Benefit paid for hostel rooms in Brighton? I believe figures vary between £200 and £400 a week, depending on location and the precise nature of services provided.

Brighton is, for some reason which I have never fully understood, a magnet for homeless people. Part of this is undoubtedly the discharge policy at HMP Lewes, but by no means all.

The fact is, a substantial proportion of Brighton's homeless population do not really have any 'local connection' to the City- and are thus ineligible for Local Authority Housing. And as has been pointed out above, there are hundreds of housing opportunities in other areas where private landlords are prepared to accept benefits claimants (sometimes without deposits). Not exclusively in deprived parts of the North, either- Littlehampton and Bognor fall into this category too. I am aware of a number of LAs who actively make use of this information, and when a homeless person turns up on their doorstep will fund their travel elsewhere.

Perhaps BHCC should be thinking along those lines?
I don't know the cost of hostel placements, I'm afraid. All the people I work with have a local connection to Brighton. Many of them were born here. Young men are most at risk of homelessness because they are not usually classed as 'vulnerable' once they reach 18.

A lot of the 16 - 21 year olds are quite vulnerable and would really struggle with moving out of the area they know, leaving friends and family, independent living etc. For example, some have autism/aspergers, or have suffered neglect.

I'm not sure if BHCC offer that service or not, but it's a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonwhatwhat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spx[/bold] wrote: I hope Dave wins King of the Squatters. He' a helping people occupy unoccupied property - putting a roof over someone's head. How many people can you keyboard warriors help? Get a life and don't insult him or his daughter from behind your anonymity.[/p][/quote]How is he helping homeless people? Honestly, squats are short term anyway and often reinforce a sense of hopelessness. There is often drug ad alcohol abuse assiciated with squats. I just dont get it. Would he want his daughter living in a squat? It would be better to empower people to work, earn and live off the money they make. It only costs £400 (plenty on gumtree) for a room to ret (a first step at least) and £400 is less than half a months wage for someone on minimum wage. But holding competitions to squat more premesis, potentially get arrested (lets face it, they dont gain entry without causing damage, regardless what they say). How is that helping them. Just continue the cycle. And on the matter of Brighton's homless. Actually most of those homeless are intentionally homeless. There are avalible beds in many homless shelters, but many choose not to stat, or cannot beause of previous aggression towards staff and vulnerable other residents. Many of Brighton's homeless have been house in the following homeless hostels: New Steine Mews Hostel Phase One Regency Sq Oriental Place Hostel First base Montpelier Road Olympus House Marine Parade William Collier House North Road The Foyer Pelham Street Anda massive hostel in Grand Parade. To say there is nowhere for them is absolute nonesense and many of these are tax payer funded. Unfortunantky if you abuse staff, steal, assault or damage the place you het thrown out and then you go to the next one, because you'revulnerable, but once you have been thrown out of all of then.......who's fault is that? Please people, its never that black and white. The best thing this man can donia help them find work as get them in a secure, safe environment in which they can start to build ther future. A squat i can assure yo, is mone ofthese things. And lastly, not all business owners are rich and not all comercial properties belong to millionaires.[/p][/quote]I do volunteer work with young homeless people and it is really easy for anyone over the age of 18 to slip into homelessness if they do not have a supportive family background. Yes, there are hostels in Brighton but what you fail to mention is that many of the better ones with single rooms have a long waiting list. Some hostels can be a dangerous place for a young person - due to shared dorms for men and women and drug and alcohol abuse. A young woman I know was seriously assaulted in a hostel and I wonder if you would feel comfortable sleeping in a room with strangers? If you don't already have a job - and youth unemployment is big issue - it is almost impossible to get one with no permanent address. Housing benefit and job seekers allowance takes some time to come through. Plus many landlords refuse to take anyone who is on benefits. The benefits paid - £78 a week for a room - are much lower than the average rent for a single room in Brighton. Not everyone has a supportive family who will help them out. Many young homeless people have been in the care system or have been thrown out by their parents. Some parents do this as a matter of course as soon as their children reach 16 because they don't see that their role as a parent should continue after that age. I wish it were as simple as you make out.[/p][/quote]Since you work with young homeless people, and are obviously aware of the £78 Housing Benefit rate, perhaps you would like to share with us the amount of Housing Benefit paid for hostel rooms in Brighton? I believe figures vary between £200 and £400 a week, depending on location and the precise nature of services provided. Brighton is, for some reason which I have never fully understood, a magnet for homeless people. Part of this is undoubtedly the discharge policy at HMP Lewes, but by no means all. The fact is, a substantial proportion of Brighton's homeless population do not really have any 'local connection' to the City- and are thus ineligible for Local Authority Housing. And as has been pointed out above, there are hundreds of housing opportunities in other areas where private landlords are prepared to accept benefits claimants (sometimes without deposits). Not exclusively in deprived parts of the North, either- Littlehampton and Bognor fall into this category too. I am aware of a number of LAs who actively make use of this information, and when a homeless person turns up on their doorstep will fund their travel elsewhere. Perhaps BHCC should be thinking along those lines?[/p][/quote]I don't know the cost of hostel placements, I'm afraid. All the people I work with have a local connection to Brighton. Many of them were born here. Young men are most at risk of homelessness because they are not usually classed as 'vulnerable' once they reach 18. A lot of the 16 - 21 year olds are quite vulnerable and would really struggle with moving out of the area they know, leaving friends and family, independent living etc. For example, some have autism/aspergers, or have suffered neglect. I'm not sure if BHCC offer that service or not, but it's a good idea. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 2

2:01pm Fri 5 Sep 14

tonupboy says...

FC wrote:
Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.
You're the only scum on here mummies boy!....( A B I G , S T E A M I N G , T U R D dropping from the back side of humanity!
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.[/p][/quote]You're the only scum on here mummies boy!....( A B I G , S T E A M I N G , T U R D dropping from the back side of humanity! tonupboy
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

tonupboy says...

FC wrote:
Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.
You're only scum around here mummy's boy!....( A B I G S T E A M I N G T U R D dropping from the back side of humanity!
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: Filthy scum. It might be an empty business premises, but it's still owned by someone else. ALL squatting should be made illegal, regardless of the property. IT IS NOT YOUR IN WHICH TO LIVE.[/p][/quote]You're only scum around here mummy's boy!....( A B I G S T E A M I N G T U R D dropping from the back side of humanity! tonupboy
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Fri 5 Sep 14

her professional says...

tez1959 wrote:
omg this is an easy one let the scum lodge at his house if hes that bl..dy concerned simple as that.............
But his house hasn't been empty for a year has it.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: omg this is an easy one let the scum lodge at his house if hes that bl..dy concerned simple as that.............[/p][/quote]But his house hasn't been empty for a year has it. her professional
  • Score: 2

10:48am Mon 8 Sep 14

Dave Adam says...

Well sorry for the late replies to your comments, believe it or not I have been rather busy. Firstly I would like to thank the people who left positive comments, you have compassion for your fellow humans and I salute you's!!! Firstly I would like to say don't hate me for using a completely legal means to highlight my cause, if you have an issue with people squatting vacant commercial premises take it up with your mp's and get them to change the law, that said I can understand the negativity towards squatting. I would like to say though, the five buildings I have squatted so far this month had all been vacant for over a year, no damage was done, the buildings were left in a tidier state than entry and some of the owners were even compassionate towards the cause after I had spoken to them! There is a massive issue with homelessness through out Britain, it's a sad reality that this government does not care about these poor souls.
Well sorry for the late replies to your comments, believe it or not I have been rather busy. Firstly I would like to thank the people who left positive comments, you have compassion for your fellow humans and I salute you's!!! Firstly I would like to say don't hate me for using a completely legal means to highlight my cause, if you have an issue with people squatting vacant commercial premises take it up with your mp's and get them to change the law, that said I can understand the negativity towards squatting. I would like to say though, the five buildings I have squatted so far this month had all been vacant for over a year, no damage was done, the buildings were left in a tidier state than entry and some of the owners were even compassionate towards the cause after I had spoken to them! There is a massive issue with homelessness through out Britain, it's a sad reality that this government does not care about these poor souls. Dave Adam
  • Score: 0

11:00am Mon 8 Sep 14

jez1973 says...

Do we know if he has a job or claiming benefits? If the latter I hope he is looking for work, because if he isn't his benefits should be stopped. Or he could get a job and pay rent, council tax and other bills, like the majority of us.
Do we know if he has a job or claiming benefits? If the latter I hope he is looking for work, because if he isn't his benefits should be stopped. Or he could get a job and pay rent, council tax and other bills, like the majority of us. jez1973
  • Score: -1

11:43am Mon 8 Sep 14

Dave Adam says...

jez1973 wrote:
Do we know if he has a job or claiming benefits? If the latter I hope he is looking for work, because if he isn't his benefits should be stopped. Or he could get a job and pay rent, council tax and other bills, like the majority of us.
I am self employed and have my own building company, I do not claim benefits and have worked most of my adult life Jez, I am fortunate to of been blessed with health unlike the majority of the people I have been helping. These are the vulnerable people of society, young adults that are barely out of there teenage years just getting left by the wayside while the rest of society ignores these serious issues. How many homeless people have you actually sat down with, given them the time of day and heard there stories? Do you know the statistics for ex forces that are homeless? Done there bit for society just to be spat out after there jobs end, unable to deal with things because of the things they have been made to do for our country. You guys need to get some compassion!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jez1973[/bold] wrote: Do we know if he has a job or claiming benefits? If the latter I hope he is looking for work, because if he isn't his benefits should be stopped. Or he could get a job and pay rent, council tax and other bills, like the majority of us.[/p][/quote]I am self employed and have my own building company, I do not claim benefits and have worked most of my adult life Jez, I am fortunate to of been blessed with health unlike the majority of the people I have been helping. These are the vulnerable people of society, young adults that are barely out of there teenage years just getting left by the wayside while the rest of society ignores these serious issues. How many homeless people have you actually sat down with, given them the time of day and heard there stories? Do you know the statistics for ex forces that are homeless? Done there bit for society just to be spat out after there jobs end, unable to deal with things because of the things they have been made to do for our country. You guys need to get some compassion!!!!! Dave Adam
  • Score: 1

8:02am Fri 3 Oct 14

Debs Lee says...

I am really proud and hugely respectful of the journey you have travelled Dave Adam. Very few people know the injustice you was subject to in your youth and the strength you found to continue your journey and battle through life : you are entitled to be angry and challenge people who let you down but instead you have chosen to use your experiences to help very vulnerable young people journey toward building a future rather than being lost in a system which doesn't accommodate a young persons basic needs of love and trust, food and shelter. I do apologise for people who feel they can make such hasty and arrogant judgements....
I am really proud and hugely respectful of the journey you have travelled Dave Adam. Very few people know the injustice you was subject to in your youth and the strength you found to continue your journey and battle through life : you are entitled to be angry and challenge people who let you down but instead you have chosen to use your experiences to help very vulnerable young people journey toward building a future rather than being lost in a system which doesn't accommodate a young persons basic needs of love and trust, food and shelter. I do apologise for people who feel they can make such hasty and arrogant judgements.... Debs Lee
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