What is going on beneath the arches?

What is going on beneath the arches?

The Arches

The Arches

Leon Bellis, senior engineer at Brighton and Hove City Council

Simon Pierce who first noticed the collapse

Aaron Kemp, assistant manager at the Fortune of War

First published in News by , Reporter

Despite it being months since the road above Brighton pub The Fortune of War collapsed, closing the eastbound carriageway of the A259 Kings Road, the council only started repair work last week.

Only days ago the rubble from the pub was finally cleared and the gaping hole left in the ceiling at the back of the pub was finally plugged with a piece of foam.

The rear of the pub has been closed to customers since the morning of April 25, when workers pulled wooden panelling off of the walls, only for mounds of rubble to collapse.

Now the work has begun – which is estimated will cost more than £40,000.

Senior engineer at Brighton and Hove City Council Leon Bellis said the collapse was originally caused by the failure of a steel beam installed before the existence of Brighton and Hove City Council – some 30 or 40 years ago.

He said: “They had put a steel support in there – but it would not be a support we would use now as it is not adequate for taking some of the above loadings.

“The support had been hidden. It had been plastered over and it then had timber cladding applied to it.

“Over the years it corroded and eventually it just failed and collapsed.

“The backing material above the arch, above that opening, came into the Fortune of War.”

He said the removal of the cladding by workmen was the “straw that broke the camel’s back”.

Mr Bellis said that for the past four months the council has been assessing the extent of the damage.

He said the arches are “heavily interconnected”, structurally resembling a bridge and a failure at one point of the arches can have a knock on effect on all of the other arches along the seafront.

As a result, the council has discovered other weaknesses in the structure since the initial collapse.

Mr Bellis said: “The more we looked it, the more we found – when the collapse happened in The Fortune of War it would have been remiss of us not to check all of the structures to see if there were any other areas also at risk.”

He admitted that the complexity of the situation made a deadline for the work to be finished difficult to forecast. It has been moved back three times. It was initially supposed to be completed at the end of June, then July and September.

But Mr Bellis said yesterday that the current completion date of November is still on track, but is not set in stone.

He said: “We anticipate it will be the case, but the problem is that until you actually start the work you do not know for sure what you will come across.

“In The Fortune of War, for instance, there is a gas main.

“We will have to hand dig near the gas main which will take a bit longer.

“We will try and keep to the programme but at the end of the day I have to ensure the guys on site go home – and if it means that will take another week then that is what we will do.”

Additional assessments ascertained how much repair work was needed and the safest way it could be done, which was then independently verified before workmen could move in.

The council investigation discovered “badly corroded” steel beams inside Life Bar – which is currently undergoing refurbishment.

Mr Bellis said: “All these arches are interdependent on the stability of the adjacent arch.

“So what you do in one area can affect several arches either side of it and if we have a collapse of the actual structural fabric it can lead to what we call a progressive collapse.

“One single arch in the middle gets its strength from all the adjacent arches.

“When we had the initial collapse we did not just look at that area in isolation, we looked at the whole area to see if there were any other areas of concern.

“There were four areas of concern in Life Bar, two minor, two major. The two minor ones have already been filled and they were done fairly quickly.

“Then at the front of the arch we had some quite badly corroded beams that support the upper promenade.

“There is another larger area with two quite large steel beams that are quite badly corroded and they support the actual masonry arch and then we have the additional third area in The Fortune of War itself.

“So we have to look at the four areas in Life Bar and one in The Fortune of War as a whole so what we do in one area does not have a detrimental effect in another area.

“If it was just one, isolated area it would be very easy.”

He said the assessment of the arches – including identifying the problems, surveying the arches and road, designing the site it could be accessed temporarily and again so it could be repaired – took time but was necessary.

He said: “Although they take time, you need to go through the processes.

“If something happens within this structure it could cause major collapse problems and cause us a much bigger headache.”

Chippy finds collapse

Still working in Life Bar carrying out the refurbishment work is the carpenter who found the collapse.

Simon Pierce was working for construction firm Barracuda when he first noticed a bowing of the arches in Life Bar.

He was one of the men who pulled back the panelling at The Fortune of War and revealed the earthwork which fell into the top deck of the pub.

Moments before the collapse his stuck his head into the gap they had created to assess the ceiling.

Mr Pierce ran up to the seafront with his colleagues and stopped the traffic from passing over the sagging roadway.

Long wait before work to clear debris began

The top deck of The Fortune of War has been closed since workman unearthed the collapse.

Work was only carried out last Monday to clear the debris which had poured in and to plug the six foot deep hole.

Surveyors have carried out work in the pub over the past four months.

Assistant manager Arron Kemp said they appreciate the complexity of the job.

He said: “I think it is a complicated procedure, when you start taking more of the arch away you make it weaker and weaker so they wanted to make sure what they were doing was not going to damage it further.

“Even though it has taken a few months and even though it is a small hole, it is a big job.

“Our financial director said it is really hard to tell, because we have had quite a good summer, if we have had a loss of earnings or not.

“But when the weather has been really bad we have only had a finite amount of space inside and there is a chance over that time that we have probably lost a bit of trade.

“But it is hard to tell because we have also had a profitable year because of the really good weather.”

Inspections carried out regularly

The council regularly and thoroughly inspects the integrity of the arches.

Mr Bellis said the three different types of rolling inspections are used to examine the arches, one yearly, one every six years and one every twelve years.

The yearly inspection is visual, the six-yearly one is a “close visual, intrusive investigation” and every 12 years there is a “structural assessment” which helps the council build up a mathematical model of the arches.

This model allows engineers to test the arches’ integrity and load bearing strength.

Mr Bellis said: “It is a rolling programme of checking and surveying and inspections – this just happened, but you cannot catch everything.

“We do our best, most of the time we are pretty good, we identify areas but now and again these things happen and they are just unforeseen.

“No one can be 100% and I would say we are around 99%, which is pretty good.

“The problem is with a lot of these buildings is many have had coatings and coverings and you cannot get to all of them.

“It is very expensive to shut down a club, strip it all out, back to the bare fabric to do a proper survey so we try to work it in with refurbishment.”

He said the council looks after more than 1,000 buildings and some are “some are more difficult than others” to assess.

Traffic chaos ensues as crater opens

Bollards, barriers and a contra-flow have been in place on the seafront for the past four months since a section of the King’s Road collapsed.

The six foot deep crater, which left a sewer pipe exposed, was opened up after workman carrying out repairs in the Fortune of War pulled back wooden panelling which sent earth and rubble pouring into the pub on April 25.

Since then the top deck of the pub has been closed and the eastbound lane of the A259 has remained shut – causing havoc for motorists and squeezing the pockets of local business owners.

At the end of August it was exclusively revealed by The Argus that the repair work was facing yet another delay – being put back to a finish date of November despite two previous setbacks.

Previous delays extended the completion date for the work until the end of July and then until the end of September.

The works were originally estimated to be completed within eight weeks of the collapse but council bosses admitted work was “more complex” than they originally realised.

The council has assured people that once repairs are complete “these locations will stay standing and be able to operate as business premises and seafront attractions for another 120 years”.

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10:50am Fri 5 Sep 14

Joshiman says...

Taken so long for a report.Not good enough.Hope the workers are full time and not part time.
Taken so long for a report.Not good enough.Hope the workers are full time and not part time. Joshiman
  • Score: 15

11:11am Fri 5 Sep 14

gheese77 says...

So its not the councils fault.
So its not the councils fault. gheese77
  • Score: -11

11:23am Fri 5 Sep 14

Saltdean Resident says...

This has been very frustrating, especially as its on my commute, but when looking at the bigger picture it does make sense. If there was a further collapse in a couple of months or next year everyone would have slated the council workers. Not long now.
This has been very frustrating, especially as its on my commute, but when looking at the bigger picture it does make sense. If there was a further collapse in a couple of months or next year everyone would have slated the council workers. Not long now. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 27

12:06pm Fri 5 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses! G Wiley
  • Score: 10

12:58pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Valerie Paynter says...

What was the date of the last structural survey I wonder.....

If you walk along the beach path and look above all those trader arches from the i360 on the way to the Palace Pier you might wonder as I did just how safe those arches really are. The area of join between them and the road above looks rotted away and totally unfit for purpose to my untutored eye. Interesting to read the engineers comments here though.

And frightening.
What was the date of the last structural survey I wonder..... If you walk along the beach path and look above all those trader arches from the i360 on the way to the Palace Pier you might wonder as I did just how safe those arches really are. The area of join between them and the road above looks rotted away and totally unfit for purpose to my untutored eye. Interesting to read the engineers comments here though. And frightening. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 12

1:17pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -19

1:20pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Saltdean Resident says...

I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.
I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 25

1:59pm Fri 5 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either.

What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause?

And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!![/p][/quote]They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either. What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause? And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school? G Wiley
  • Score: 15

2:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.
@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do.

The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about.

Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.[/p][/quote]@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do. The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about. Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey? G Wiley
  • Score: 9

2:14pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

Does it really matter? The whole City is collapsing under the excrement
Does it really matter? The whole City is collapsing under the excrement Valentinian
  • Score: 6

2:42pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Saltdean Resident says...

G Wiley wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.
@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do.

The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about.

Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?
The councilors dictate policies about budgets etc, but the day to day decisions are carried out by the council staff. I could be naive but i cant see elected councilors dictating to the works dept that they must go slow on fixing the sea front road to fight car use, too conspiracy theory for my liking.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.[/p][/quote]@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do. The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about. Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?[/p][/quote]The councilors dictate policies about budgets etc, but the day to day decisions are carried out by the council staff. I could be naive but i cant see elected councilors dictating to the works dept that they must go slow on fixing the sea front road to fight car use, too conspiracy theory for my liking. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 11

3:05pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Bugzy84 says...

G Wiley wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.
@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do.

The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about.

Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?
if you just got by whats reported it goes like this.

Council workers report to managers who report to the elected council member who pulled out the department from the job hat and probably has very little experience regarding that department, the elected Councillors of the winning party then all sit around and discuss the reports, first thing is to blame the last council that was a different party, then come up with an idea that will take focus away from the problem and then the rest can waffle on about how fantastic they all are or about something that is impossible to enforce without becoming north korea (No meat monday comes to mind)
Next the elected Councillor tells the manager what they think they should do, the manager then tells the 3 out of 10 ppl in the dept because the rest are on sick leave, the temp that has been there for 15 years on a rolling contract is the only one who actually knows hows the system works and says that's not possible to do without changing one small thing, the union hears about a small change and decides everyone has to go on strike.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.[/p][/quote]@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do. The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about. Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?[/p][/quote]if you just got by whats reported it goes like this. Council workers report to managers who report to the elected council member who pulled out the department from the job hat and probably has very little experience regarding that department, the elected Councillors of the winning party then all sit around and discuss the reports, first thing is to blame the last council that was a different party, then come up with an idea that will take focus away from the problem and then the rest can waffle on about how fantastic they all are or about something that is impossible to enforce without becoming north korea (No meat monday comes to mind) Next the elected Councillor tells the manager what they think they should do, the manager then tells the 3 out of 10 ppl in the dept because the rest are on sick leave, the temp that has been there for 15 years on a rolling contract is the only one who actually knows hows the system works and says that's not possible to do without changing one small thing, the union hears about a small change and decides everyone has to go on strike. Bugzy84
  • Score: 5

3:25pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Fairfax Aches says...

this is what happens when you have a bunch of delusional charlatans running the place. And what about the arches on the kemp town side? What an embarassment to the whole place. Mind you, property prices keep galloping up so I dread to think what a dump the rest of the country must be.
this is what happens when you have a bunch of delusional charlatans running the place. And what about the arches on the kemp town side? What an embarassment to the whole place. Mind you, property prices keep galloping up so I dread to think what a dump the rest of the country must be. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 6

3:43pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Thay Qon U says...

What I find strange is that the Strategic Director of Place & Mr Bellis presented a report to the BHCC Policy & Resources Committee in January 2013 that obtained approval for urgent remedial works to these arches under the A259, but only for those adjacent to the then proposed i360 tower -:
" Urgent strengthening works are immediately required to the seafront arch
structures between Alfresco’s Restaurant and the West Pier in advance of other
essential, planned strengthening, and the Committee’s approval of the overall
contract for these works is being sought, which will also enable a fuller
refurbishment of the internal spaces to be carried out in association with the i360
viewing tower. "

Funny how the arches near the proposed i360 Jason Kitcat sponsored vanity project in the Regency ward got priority remedial work over the other sea-front arches.
What I find strange is that the Strategic Director of Place & Mr Bellis presented a report to the BHCC Policy & Resources Committee in January 2013 that obtained approval for urgent remedial works to these arches under the A259, but only for those adjacent to the then proposed i360 tower -: " Urgent strengthening works are immediately required to the seafront arch structures between Alfresco’s Restaurant and the West Pier in advance of other essential, planned strengthening, and the Committee’s approval of the overall contract for these works is being sought, which will also enable a fuller refurbishment of the internal spaces to be carried out in association with the i360 viewing tower. " Funny how the arches near the proposed i360 Jason Kitcat sponsored vanity project in the Regency ward got priority remedial work over the other sea-front arches. Thay Qon U
  • Score: 14

4:19pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Although the structural surveying and evaluation of the integrity of the arches is clearly a complex task, and it will take some time for the final repairs to be carried out, a decision must have been made very early on not to implement any form of temporary solution to abate the traffic chaos we have endured for the whole summer.

That the structures were deemed safe enough to support 2 lanes of traffic with no weight restrictions at the southern end was a conclusion reached very quickly. It should have been perfectly feasible to have devised and installed suitable temporary supporting structures and a road deck to allow more capacity on the road, with appropriate weight limits. When the railway viaduct was bombed in 1943, temporary repairs were carried out within days and normal traffic resumed within a month.

Instead we have had a major junction closed for the whole summer, lane restrictions on the main East-West route through the city and a poorly signed diversion route which itself has major disruptive road works. The Queens Road works should have been delayed until the repairs are completed.
Although the structural surveying and evaluation of the integrity of the arches is clearly a complex task, and it will take some time for the final repairs to be carried out, a decision must have been made very early on not to implement any form of temporary solution to abate the traffic chaos we have endured for the whole summer. That the structures were deemed safe enough to support 2 lanes of traffic with no weight restrictions at the southern end was a conclusion reached very quickly. It should have been perfectly feasible to have devised and installed suitable temporary supporting structures and a road deck to allow more capacity on the road, with appropriate weight limits. When the railway viaduct was bombed in 1943, temporary repairs were carried out within days and normal traffic resumed within a month. Instead we have had a major junction closed for the whole summer, lane restrictions on the main East-West route through the city and a poorly signed diversion route which itself has major disruptive road works. The Queens Road works should have been delayed until the repairs are completed. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 11

4:31pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Peppers I says...

Does anyone really think this will be repaired in November? What year might that be I wonder. It has taken over 4 months for the head scratching to stop, we will see.
Does anyone really think this will be repaired in November? What year might that be I wonder. It has taken over 4 months for the head scratching to stop, we will see. Peppers I
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
this is what happens when you have a bunch of delusional charlatans running the place. And what about the arches on the kemp town side? What an embarassment to the whole place. Mind you, property prices keep galloping up so I dread to think what a dump the rest of the country must be.
Ahem....

All politicians are posturing popinjays...."delusi
onal charlatans" in your parlance, taking advice from the trained employees who specialise in this and that whilst bullying each other, engaging in office politics and keeping a lookout for a better job.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: this is what happens when you have a bunch of delusional charlatans running the place. And what about the arches on the kemp town side? What an embarassment to the whole place. Mind you, property prices keep galloping up so I dread to think what a dump the rest of the country must be.[/p][/quote]Ahem.... All politicians are posturing popinjays...."delusi onal charlatans" in your parlance, taking advice from the trained employees who specialise in this and that whilst bullying each other, engaging in office politics and keeping a lookout for a better job. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 8

4:35pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Valerie Paynter says...

The entire stretch of road from the Palace Pier along to the i360 construction site needs to be ripped up for a complete repair of the arches and supports for the road to last another 100 years. then move down and do the rest of the A259 to the last arch.
The entire stretch of road from the Palace Pier along to the i360 construction site needs to be ripped up for a complete repair of the arches and supports for the road to last another 100 years. then move down and do the rest of the A259 to the last arch. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brightonian57 says...

Valentinian wrote:
Does it really matter? The whole City is collapsing under the excrement
A large pile of green excrement
[quote][p][bold]Valentinian[/bold] wrote: Does it really matter? The whole City is collapsing under the excrement[/p][/quote]A large pile of green excrement brightonian57
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Fri 5 Sep 14

fraankieboyX says...

All this talk of The Fortune of War pub and problems next to it ignore the other side, where Riptide Gym used to be, which was closed down a year ago last June because of structural problems in its roof. They were afraid the whole area could collapse, then nobody seemed to do anything. Wonder why.
All this talk of The Fortune of War pub and problems next to it ignore the other side, where Riptide Gym used to be, which was closed down a year ago last June because of structural problems in its roof. They were afraid the whole area could collapse, then nobody seemed to do anything. Wonder why. fraankieboyX
  • Score: 9

7:36pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either.

What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause?

And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?
It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!!

As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!![/p][/quote]They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either. What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause? And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?[/p][/quote]It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!! As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

8:25pm Fri 5 Sep 14

tez1959 says...

what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.
what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol. tez1959
  • Score: -5

8:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

tez1959 wrote:
what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.
Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.[/p][/quote]Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!). brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

8:49pm Fri 5 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either.

What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause?

And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?
It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!!

As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!!
@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well.

I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are!

As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there.

For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!![/p][/quote]They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either. What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause? And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?[/p][/quote]It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!! As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!![/p][/quote]@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well. I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are! As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there. For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee? G Wiley
  • Score: 8

9:30pm Fri 5 Sep 14

cynic_the says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
tez1959 wrote:
what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.
Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).
Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!?

The lack of self-awareness is astonishing
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.[/p][/quote]Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).[/p][/quote]Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!? The lack of self-awareness is astonishing cynic_the
  • Score: 3

9:34pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either.

What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause?

And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?
It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!!

As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!!
@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well.

I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are!

As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there.

For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee?
How do I know so much?! A) partly because I work in the construction industry and B) largely because I have a brain! I am afraid I'm just tired of tedious comments like yours and many other posters who seem to think the Greens actually are taking their time on this and actually WANT all the the aggro involved in this just to put motorists off coming to the city - it's ridiculous!! Your comment about getting 'proper, expert structural engineers' involved just typifies the ignorant, unintelligent posts that pass for 'debate' in these forums - after all you haven't got a clue who or what engineers are engaged in this process have you so how on earth can you pass judgement? ?!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!![/p][/quote]They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either. What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause? And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?[/p][/quote]It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!! As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!![/p][/quote]@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well. I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are! As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there. For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee?[/p][/quote]How do I know so much?! A) partly because I work in the construction industry and B) largely because I have a brain! I am afraid I'm just tired of tedious comments like yours and many other posters who seem to think the Greens actually are taking their time on this and actually WANT all the the aggro involved in this just to put motorists off coming to the city - it's ridiculous!! Your comment about getting 'proper, expert structural engineers' involved just typifies the ignorant, unintelligent posts that pass for 'debate' in these forums - after all you haven't got a clue who or what engineers are engaged in this process have you so how on earth can you pass judgement? ?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

11:20pm Fri 5 Sep 14

tez1959 says...

cynic_the wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
tez1959 wrote:
what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.
Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).
Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!?

The lack of self-awareness is astonishing
brighton bluenose dont tell me you were one of the so called expert surveyors taking 4 months to ascess no doubt get back in your pram and get a life ****.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.[/p][/quote]Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).[/p][/quote]Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!? The lack of self-awareness is astonishing[/p][/quote]brighton bluenose dont tell me you were one of the so called expert surveyors taking 4 months to ascess no doubt get back in your pram and get a life ****. tez1959
  • Score: -1

11:29pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

tez1959 wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
tez1959 wrote:
what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.
Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).
Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!?

The lack of self-awareness is astonishing
brighton bluenose dont tell me you were one of the so called expert surveyors taking 4 months to ascess no doubt get back in your pram and get a life ****.
It's 'assess' moron!!
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: what a farce 4 months to ascess it complete and utter joke should have employed an expert in structual engineering not has been surveyors looking at each other going mmmmmmmmmmmmmm this mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that. i have heard a rumour the greens want the complete A259 a big cycle lane anyway so sell your car now and get a bike lol.[/p][/quote]Another tedious tw@t - please please please just get back to your sad little life if you haven't got anything remotely intelligent or even vaguely humorous to say!! (Just in case you didn't get the point - your post was neither!!).[/p][/quote]Did YOU just call someone a tedious tw@t with a sad little life!? The lack of self-awareness is astonishing[/p][/quote]brighton bluenose dont tell me you were one of the so called expert surveyors taking 4 months to ascess no doubt get back in your pram and get a life ****.[/p][/quote]It's 'assess' moron!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 0

11:41pm Fri 5 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair.

As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes.

After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses!
Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!!
They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either.

What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause?

And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?
It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!!

As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!!
@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well.

I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are!

As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there.

For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee?
By the way this council that 'can't do anything' has re-jigged the Seven Dials and Edward Street, making improvements to the area around Brighton Station, got Circus Street moving, regenerated the Open Market which will lead to improvements to the London Road area, given the go-ahead to the i360 (I don't agree with it!), regenerated the adjacent arches and are in the process of (hopefully!) making the Vogue Gyratory safer for all users plus lots more! Now you may well not agree with some or all of these projects - but to suggest that the Greens have done nothing can only reinforce your seeming ignorance and/or stupidity!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: If this had happened on a bus route then the council would have made it an emergency priority repair. As it is just a route that impacts normal motorists, the loathsome green 'led' anti-car council can just sit back and let the motorists suffer for another 3 months (at least!) whilst they concentrate limited resources on 'vital' projects such as the Vogue gyratory and Edward Street cycle lanes. After all, anything that deters private motorists coming to the centre of the town must be good according to the watermelons - even if it impacts businesses![/p][/quote]Oh do shut up you boring idiot!! They've explained why it is taking so long but the brain-dead such as yourself can't get their simple little minds around what a complicated undertaking this really is - I feel embarrassed for you at your lack of intelligence!![/p][/quote]They have explained that there is a lot of work needed - but not why the investigation has taken almost 5 months, nor why the repair will take so long either. What have the structural engineers been doing that takes so long to identify the cause? And I suppose you got a full refund from the charm school?[/p][/quote]It's f*****g COMPLICATED - what more do you need to know?! Where every little nut and bolt goes?!! Do you want to review the reinforced concrete bending schedules?!! Do you want to try to understand about the numerous service providers - water, gas, electricity, comms, various councils, various council departments of those councils, the engineers, the architects, the other various consultants, the contractors, the men who actually do the works and the owners of businesses in the area - and the contractual arrangements for this to all come together at a hopefully competitive cost! Trust me - it's complicated!! As for 'deterring motorists' if you actually took your head out of your backside and read a bit more about whats actually going on it appears that our city is actually thriving in many ways - but dont let the facts get get in the way of a good whinge!![/p][/quote]@brighton bluenose - ah! I'm pleased that a rude little fanboy has taken over from HJarrs - it does show the calibre of the green party supporters - I assume you too are a member of the Ben Duncan supporters club as well. I assume your job is to continually defend the indefensible - providing excuses why this loathsome council can't do anything and having to resort to swearing - what a wonderful person you are! As several other posters have pointed out - if they had some proper, expert, structural engineers involved - even if there are pipes , sewers, and cables in the way, then they should still be able to repair this a lot faster - look at what the railway engineers managed at Dawlish - Thank the lord that B&HCC and Council project manager (in 2013) Leon Bellis weren't involved there. For reference, how do you know so much about what is involved in the repairs - could you actually be a councillor or a council employee?[/p][/quote]By the way this council that 'can't do anything' has re-jigged the Seven Dials and Edward Street, making improvements to the area around Brighton Station, got Circus Street moving, regenerated the Open Market which will lead to improvements to the London Road area, given the go-ahead to the i360 (I don't agree with it!), regenerated the adjacent arches and are in the process of (hopefully!) making the Vogue Gyratory safer for all users plus lots more! Now you may well not agree with some or all of these projects - but to suggest that the Greens have done nothing can only reinforce your seeming ignorance and/or stupidity!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

7:48am Sat 6 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

@brighton bluenose - please keep up the good work with the insults and the immature swearing with asterisks - it really shows the intelligence that you claim to have and your total inability to have a reasoned discussion.

As for the 'improvements' the greens have introduced, we'll see in May what the electorate think - you can spin as much as you like but IMHO only the Seven Dials can be considered a success - the remainder are yet to prove any real benefits..

I repeat my earlier comments, and echoed by others, that if the council had really wanted to get the road repaired some they could. The fact that the engineers knew the arches were liable to collapse and only worried about the i360 shows IMHO a lack of competence.

But anyway - please keep up the insults and the swearing - hope you are getting plenty of funding from the council for your 'construction work'!
@brighton bluenose - please keep up the good work with the insults and the immature swearing with asterisks - it really shows the intelligence that you claim to have and your total inability to have a reasoned discussion. As for the 'improvements' the greens have introduced, we'll see in May what the electorate think - you can spin as much as you like but IMHO only the Seven Dials can be considered a success - the remainder are yet to prove any real benefits.. I repeat my earlier comments, and echoed by others, that if the council had really wanted to get the road repaired some they could. The fact that the engineers knew the arches were liable to collapse and only worried about the i360 shows IMHO a lack of competence. But anyway - please keep up the insults and the swearing - hope you are getting plenty of funding from the council for your 'construction work'! G Wiley
  • Score: 5

7:54am Sat 6 Sep 14

comanche762 says...

Blah blah blah "it's the councils fault" blah blah blah "if this happened on a bus route" blah blah bloody blah "it's really complicated" blah blah blah "why has it taking 4 months for a report " . I'm bored to the teeth of it now I drive through it everyday and have rarely been delayed that much and when I was I just enjoyed the view of the summer Brighton buzz
Let's forget this and start berating them about Edward st instead
Blah blah blah "it's the councils fault" blah blah blah "if this happened on a bus route" blah blah bloody blah "it's really complicated" blah blah blah "why has it taking 4 months for a report " . I'm bored to the teeth of it now I drive through it everyday and have rarely been delayed that much and when I was I just enjoyed the view of the summer Brighton buzz Let's forget this and start berating them about Edward st instead comanche762
  • Score: 3

8:04am Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - please keep up the good work with the insults and the immature swearing with asterisks - it really shows the intelligence that you claim to have and your total inability to have a reasoned discussion.

As for the 'improvements' the greens have introduced, we'll see in May what the electorate think - you can spin as much as you like but IMHO only the Seven Dials can be considered a success - the remainder are yet to prove any real benefits..

I repeat my earlier comments, and echoed by others, that if the council had really wanted to get the road repaired some they could. The fact that the engineers knew the arches were liable to collapse and only worried about the i360 shows IMHO a lack of competence.

But anyway - please keep up the insults and the swearing - hope you are getting plenty of funding from the council for your 'construction work'!
Ahhh so you admit your comment that the Greens get nothing done is utterly incorrect - so only you will know why you wrote such 'spin'?! I will give you your due regarding some of the schemes that only time will tell regarding their success or otherwise - unlike the moanerati who will not give them a chance!! As I have consistently said the Greens have a wider longer term vision for our city - unlike the Labour/Tory axis who have lorded over the slow decline of our city as their tired old parties indulge in internecine squabbling get leading to stasis on getting ANYTHING decent done - Jubilee Street anyone?!! Btw - I swore once in exasperation and you should never give yourself a thumbs up straight after you post - as you have just done!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - please keep up the good work with the insults and the immature swearing with asterisks - it really shows the intelligence that you claim to have and your total inability to have a reasoned discussion. As for the 'improvements' the greens have introduced, we'll see in May what the electorate think - you can spin as much as you like but IMHO only the Seven Dials can be considered a success - the remainder are yet to prove any real benefits.. I repeat my earlier comments, and echoed by others, that if the council had really wanted to get the road repaired some they could. The fact that the engineers knew the arches were liable to collapse and only worried about the i360 shows IMHO a lack of competence. But anyway - please keep up the insults and the swearing - hope you are getting plenty of funding from the council for your 'construction work'![/p][/quote]Ahhh so you admit your comment that the Greens get nothing done is utterly incorrect - so only you will know why you wrote such 'spin'?! I will give you your due regarding some of the schemes that only time will tell regarding their success or otherwise - unlike the moanerati who will not give them a chance!! As I have consistently said the Greens have a wider longer term vision for our city - unlike the Labour/Tory axis who have lorded over the slow decline of our city as their tired old parties indulge in internecine squabbling get leading to stasis on getting ANYTHING decent done - Jubilee Street anyone?!! Btw - I swore once in exasperation and you should never give yourself a thumbs up straight after you post - as you have just done!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -7

9:18am Sat 6 Sep 14

Max Ripple says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.
@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do.

The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about.

Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?
The councilors dictate policies about budgets etc, but the day to day decisions are carried out by the council staff. I could be naive but i cant see elected councilors dictating to the works dept that they must go slow on fixing the sea front road to fight car use, too conspiracy theory for my liking.
Hello chaps. Let's get one thing clear here. There is a relationship between council officers and councillors. And if you look closely at council officers working on transport issues, for example, you will find that they tend to have a bias towards the administration that is in power - in this case The Greens.
On a further point, the Greens have aset aside £8 million for the regeneration of the Valley Gardens Project - you know the one - the one where they want to completely change the road layout all around Victoria Gardens and in front of the King and Queen. Putting in new bus and cycle lanes and re-routing all othe traffic. They have said that they are still going ahead with this vanity project and won't re prioritise that money to help rebuild our seafront. What are we without a seafront and prom? We would be like any other city. You might as well plonk us in the middle of the country somewhere near Birmingham. Our seafront is everything to this city. But The Greens would rather build more cycle and bus lanes.
The arches and the front has been neglected for years - why continue to neglect it now that the obvious signs of decay are there for all to see?
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: I do wish people would seperate the elected councilors and the people who work for the council.[/p][/quote]@Saltdean Resident - but surely the people who work for the council do what they are told by the elected councillors; and the elected councillors have to take responsibility for what the council do, or do not do. The councillors just can't sit back and say it is nothing to do with them - IMHO, that is what leadership and responsibility is all about. Or do the council workers tell the councillors what they will do - a bit like Yes Minister and Sir Humphrey?[/p][/quote]The councilors dictate policies about budgets etc, but the day to day decisions are carried out by the council staff. I could be naive but i cant see elected councilors dictating to the works dept that they must go slow on fixing the sea front road to fight car use, too conspiracy theory for my liking.[/p][/quote]Hello chaps. Let's get one thing clear here. There is a relationship between council officers and councillors. And if you look closely at council officers working on transport issues, for example, you will find that they tend to have a bias towards the administration that is in power - in this case The Greens. On a further point, the Greens have aset aside £8 million for the regeneration of the Valley Gardens Project - you know the one - the one where they want to completely change the road layout all around Victoria Gardens and in front of the King and Queen. Putting in new bus and cycle lanes and re-routing all othe traffic. They have said that they are still going ahead with this vanity project and won't re prioritise that money to help rebuild our seafront. What are we without a seafront and prom? We would be like any other city. You might as well plonk us in the middle of the country somewhere near Birmingham. Our seafront is everything to this city. But The Greens would rather build more cycle and bus lanes. The arches and the front has been neglected for years - why continue to neglect it now that the obvious signs of decay are there for all to see? Max Ripple
  • Score: 2

9:37am Sat 6 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

@brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts.

We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc.

How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors.

Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved!
@brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts. We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc. How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors. Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved! G Wiley
  • Score: 3

10:01am Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts.

We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc.

How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors.

Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved!
The refuse strike was because successive Labour and Tory regimes kept up illegal pay differentials dis - the Greens came in and sorted it out and whilst that was at the expense of a week long bin strike it actually resolved a long term festering sore that has cost, for instance, Birmingham City council hundreds of millions of pounds! Not 'spin' but FACTS my friend!!
Anynon-biased person would say hats off to the present administration!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts. We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc. How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors. Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved![/p][/quote]The refuse strike was because successive Labour and Tory regimes kept up illegal pay differentials dis - the Greens came in and sorted it out and whilst that was at the expense of a week long bin strike it actually resolved a long term festering sore that has cost, for instance, Birmingham City council hundreds of millions of pounds! Not 'spin' but FACTS my friend!! Anynon-biased person would say hats off to the present administration!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -9

10:01am Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts.

We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc.

How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors.

Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved!
The refuse strike was because successive Labour and Tory regimes kept up illegal pay differentials dis - the Greens came in and sorted it out and whilst that was at the expense of a week long bin strike it actually resolved a long term festering sore that has cost, for instance, Birmingham City council hundreds of millions of pounds! Not 'spin' but FACTS my friend!!
Anynon-biased person would say hats off to the present administration!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts. We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc. How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors. Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved![/p][/quote]The refuse strike was because successive Labour and Tory regimes kept up illegal pay differentials dis - the Greens came in and sorted it out and whilst that was at the expense of a week long bin strike it actually resolved a long term festering sore that has cost, for instance, Birmingham City council hundreds of millions of pounds! Not 'spin' but FACTS my friend!! Anynon-biased person would say hats off to the present administration!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

10:28am Sat 6 Sep 14

BeeJam says...

Brighton brownose you are doing the Greens no favours with your screaming, obnoxious, condescending and insulting rants in defence of them.

Please carry on!
Brighton brownose you are doing the Greens no favours with your screaming, obnoxious, condescending and insulting rants in defence of them. Please carry on! BeeJam
  • Score: 3

10:33am Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts.

We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc.

How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors.

Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved!
The Greens obviously have la ong term vision of our city - the Tory/Labour axis have allowed the seafront arches to rot for DECADES and now the Greens have to bear the brunt of idiots like you complaining that they're not repaired in five minutes!! Look at the Madeira Terraces - another example of Tory/ Labour misrule over DECADES but you probably think THAT is the Greens fault too!! More facts for you which you will be unable to rebut -I'm not a green but I can see that the old guard has not served our city well - yet you want more of the same!!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - just keep up the spin - your loyal supporters might believe you, but the electors will be what counts. We remember all the irresponsible ideological incompetence - the refuse strikes, the reduced recycling rates, the increased pollution, the unenforced 20mph zones, the unused cycle lanes, increased traffic congestion, Ben Duncan, Caroline Lucas, the charismatic Kitkats, etc., etc., etc. How the council deals with issues such as the collapse will be included in what residents vote - and as you state, the i360 will be a lasting monument to the green party that took control of the council based upon environmental issues and turned into an extreme left-wing anti-capitalist group of leaderless activists all promoting their own 'progressive' policies at the expense of residents, businesses and visitors. Yes - you should be very proud of what you have achieved![/p][/quote]The Greens obviously have la ong term vision of our city - the Tory/Labour axis have allowed the seafront arches to rot for DECADES and now the Greens have to bear the brunt of idiots like you complaining that they're not repaired in five minutes!! Look at the Madeira Terraces - another example of Tory/ Labour misrule over DECADES but you probably think THAT is the Greens fault too!! More facts for you which you will be unable to rebut -I'm not a green but I can see that the old guard has not served our city well - yet you want more of the same!!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -6

11:16am Sat 6 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

@brighton bluenose - the week long refuse strike! And how long did it take collections to recover from it? You talk about facts and all you do is spin misinformation in support of the loathsome idealogical watermelons.

It was the incompetent greens who decided to deal with the pay issues and upset the unions (who they now want to be friends with!) and then captain chaos (Kitkat) hid in the town hall and refused to go to see the strikers to discuss the issues - instead Caroline and Phelim joined the strikers in support of the situation - good to see solidarity between the various parts of the party.

I guess that is why Kitkat has to go in May - he's a liability to the cause - just like 'in-bred residents' Mrs. Kitkat, 'solar-powered council flats' Randall and 'I see no congestion' Davey.

It was the greens that decided to do something about the 'issue' and then screwed it up - so much so that we are still suffering the after effects now.

You really are useless at spinning - even worse that HJarrs - and that really takes the talent of a genius - such as you are proving yourself to be. Keep up the good work!

Why aren't you up in Birmingham at the conference>? Oh - I can see why!

Joke for the day: A green party fanboy walks into a bar with a pig under his arm. The barman asks 'Where on earth did you get that?'. The pig says 'I won him in a raffle'.
@brighton bluenose - the week long refuse strike! And how long did it take collections to recover from it? You talk about facts and all you do is spin misinformation in support of the loathsome idealogical watermelons. It was the incompetent greens who decided to deal with the pay issues and upset the unions (who they now want to be friends with!) and then captain chaos (Kitkat) hid in the town hall and refused to go to see the strikers to discuss the issues - instead Caroline and Phelim joined the strikers in support of the situation - good to see solidarity between the various parts of the party. I guess that is why Kitkat has to go in May - he's a liability to the cause - just like 'in-bred residents' Mrs. Kitkat, 'solar-powered council flats' Randall and 'I see no congestion' Davey. It was the greens that decided to do something about the 'issue' and then screwed it up - so much so that we are still suffering the after effects now. You really are useless at spinning - even worse that HJarrs - and that really takes the talent of a genius - such as you are proving yourself to be. Keep up the good work! Why aren't you up in Birmingham at the conference>? Oh - I can see why! Joke for the day: A green party fanboy walks into a bar with a pig under his arm. The barman asks 'Where on earth did you get that?'. The pig says 'I won him in a raffle'. G Wiley
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - the week long refuse strike! And how long did it take collections to recover from it? You talk about facts and all you do is spin misinformation in support of the loathsome idealogical watermelons.

It was the incompetent greens who decided to deal with the pay issues and upset the unions (who they now want to be friends with!) and then captain chaos (Kitkat) hid in the town hall and refused to go to see the strikers to discuss the issues - instead Caroline and Phelim joined the strikers in support of the situation - good to see solidarity between the various parts of the party.

I guess that is why Kitkat has to go in May - he's a liability to the cause - just like 'in-bred residents' Mrs. Kitkat, 'solar-powered council flats' Randall and 'I see no congestion' Davey.

It was the greens that decided to do something about the 'issue' and then screwed it up - so much so that we are still suffering the after effects now.

You really are useless at spinning - even worse that HJarrs - and that really takes the talent of a genius - such as you are proving yourself to be. Keep up the good work!

Why aren't you up in Birmingham at the conference>? Oh - I can see why!

Joke for the day: A green party fanboy walks into a bar with a pig under his arm. The barman asks 'Where on earth did you get that?'. The pig says 'I won him in a raffle'.
The pay differential problem HAD to be resolved for the legal reasons previously stated - that isn't 'spin' it is a fact and to suggest otherwise just reinforces my opinion that you are talking cr@p!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - the week long refuse strike! And how long did it take collections to recover from it? You talk about facts and all you do is spin misinformation in support of the loathsome idealogical watermelons. It was the incompetent greens who decided to deal with the pay issues and upset the unions (who they now want to be friends with!) and then captain chaos (Kitkat) hid in the town hall and refused to go to see the strikers to discuss the issues - instead Caroline and Phelim joined the strikers in support of the situation - good to see solidarity between the various parts of the party. I guess that is why Kitkat has to go in May - he's a liability to the cause - just like 'in-bred residents' Mrs. Kitkat, 'solar-powered council flats' Randall and 'I see no congestion' Davey. It was the greens that decided to do something about the 'issue' and then screwed it up - so much so that we are still suffering the after effects now. You really are useless at spinning - even worse that HJarrs - and that really takes the talent of a genius - such as you are proving yourself to be. Keep up the good work! Why aren't you up in Birmingham at the conference>? Oh - I can see why! Joke for the day: A green party fanboy walks into a bar with a pig under his arm. The barman asks 'Where on earth did you get that?'. The pig says 'I won him in a raffle'.[/p][/quote]The pay differential problem HAD to be resolved for the legal reasons previously stated - that isn't 'spin' it is a fact and to suggest otherwise just reinforces my opinion that you are talking cr@p!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

3:49pm Sat 6 Sep 14

G Wiley says...

@brighton bluenose - resorting to swearing again - how pitiful!

I don't really care what you think or state as 'facts' - the green and their councillors have been spreading so much misinformation I'm not inclined to believe anything you (as a fanboy) say.

All I can definitely remember is the green council being their typically arrogant selves and imposing the new pay scheme on the refuse men. No negotiating; no discussion; just KitKat appearing on TV telling everyone that it had to happen and then scurrying off to hide in the town hall to write a statement on his web site and telling everyone to read his, undoubted, brilliant paper.

We, the poor residents, were left in the middle - suffering a strike caused entirely by an immature party with no real leadership who has no idea of how to deal with people (a bit like you!).

The same arrogance the council leaders show in that they know what is best for everyone and that they are so clever, intelligent, and always right, so they can ask for views on any subject but then ignore them.

What they just don't get is that all we want is a council that collects the rubbish, sweeps the streets , mows the grass and keeps the parks tidy. They should also realise they are there to represent residents, businesses and visitors and encourage more business to come to the city.

The council is NOT a mini-government ruling over their state - trying to set policies for everything from living wage to fracking and giving a chance for all sorts of activists to implement their pet, vanity projects.

Anyway 4 points:

1: The topic of this original article was the arches - not the refuse screw-up.
2: You seem to have no comeback for the remaining disasters that the green led council has imposed on the city.
3: The Greens need to convince the electorate that they have done an excellent job and I think you'll find that very few, outside the student community, will agree with you.
4: The greens have at last come clean that they are not really interested in the environment (esp. after what they have not achieved in the city) and only in becoming the left-wing alternative to the other political parties.

In fact I just spotted an article in the Guardian (normal friend of the green-left as was):

"Have the Greens blown it in Brighton?

After sweeping to power in 2010, the party talked of building a utopian future for British politics.

But bitter infighting and the realities of austerity have left their dream in disarray".

I'll be very interested to see what the greens decide to do after their conference in Birmingham...
@brighton bluenose - resorting to swearing again - how pitiful! I don't really care what you think or state as 'facts' - the green and their councillors have been spreading so much misinformation I'm not inclined to believe anything you (as a fanboy) say. All I can definitely remember is the green council being their typically arrogant selves and imposing the new pay scheme on the refuse men. No negotiating; no discussion; just KitKat appearing on TV telling everyone that it had to happen and then scurrying off to hide in the town hall to write a statement on his web site and telling everyone to read his, undoubted, brilliant paper. We, the poor residents, were left in the middle - suffering a strike caused entirely by an immature party with no real leadership who has no idea of how to deal with people (a bit like you!). The same arrogance the council leaders show in that they know what is best for everyone and that they are so clever, intelligent, and always right, so they can ask for views on any subject but then ignore them. What they just don't get is that all we want is a council that collects the rubbish, sweeps the streets , mows the grass and keeps the parks tidy. They should also realise they are there to represent residents, businesses and visitors and encourage more business to come to the city. The council is NOT a mini-government ruling over their state - trying to set policies for everything from living wage to fracking and giving a chance for all sorts of activists to implement their pet, vanity projects. Anyway 4 points: 1: The topic of this original article was the arches - not the refuse screw-up. 2: You seem to have no comeback for the remaining disasters that the green led council has imposed on the city. 3: The Greens need to convince the electorate that they have done an excellent job and I think you'll find that very few, outside the student community, will agree with you. 4: The greens have at last come clean that they are not really interested in the environment (esp. after what they have not achieved in the city) and only in becoming the left-wing alternative to the other political parties. In fact I just spotted an article in the Guardian (normal friend of the green-left as was): "Have the Greens blown it in Brighton? After sweeping to power in 2010, the party talked of building a utopian future for British politics. But bitter infighting and the realities of austerity have left their dream in disarray". I'll be very interested to see what the greens decide to do after their conference in Birmingham... G Wiley
  • Score: 3

10:46pm Sat 6 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Is Jason still around and Phelimina? Not heard about them for ages.
Is Jason still around and Phelimina? Not heard about them for ages. NickBrt
  • Score: 1

11:39pm Sat 6 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

G Wiley wrote:
@brighton bluenose - resorting to swearing again - how pitiful!

I don't really care what you think or state as 'facts' - the green and their councillors have been spreading so much misinformation I'm not inclined to believe anything you (as a fanboy) say.

All I can definitely remember is the green council being their typically arrogant selves and imposing the new pay scheme on the refuse men. No negotiating; no discussion; just KitKat appearing on TV telling everyone that it had to happen and then scurrying off to hide in the town hall to write a statement on his web site and telling everyone to read his, undoubted, brilliant paper.

We, the poor residents, were left in the middle - suffering a strike caused entirely by an immature party with no real leadership who has no idea of how to deal with people (a bit like you!).

The same arrogance the council leaders show in that they know what is best for everyone and that they are so clever, intelligent, and always right, so they can ask for views on any subject but then ignore them.

What they just don't get is that all we want is a council that collects the rubbish, sweeps the streets , mows the grass and keeps the parks tidy. They should also realise they are there to represent residents, businesses and visitors and encourage more business to come to the city.

The council is NOT a mini-government ruling over their state - trying to set policies for everything from living wage to fracking and giving a chance for all sorts of activists to implement their pet, vanity projects.

Anyway 4 points:

1: The topic of this original article was the arches - not the refuse screw-up.
2: You seem to have no comeback for the remaining disasters that the green led council has imposed on the city.
3: The Greens need to convince the electorate that they have done an excellent job and I think you'll find that very few, outside the student community, will agree with you.
4: The greens have at last come clean that they are not really interested in the environment (esp. after what they have not achieved in the city) and only in becoming the left-wing alternative to the other political parties.

In fact I just spotted an article in the Guardian (normal friend of the green-left as was):

"Have the Greens blown it in Brighton?

After sweeping to power in 2010, the party talked of building a utopian future for British politics.

But bitter infighting and the realities of austerity have left their dream in disarray".

I'll be very interested to see what the greens decide to do after their conference in Birmingham...
The Greens didn't 'impose' anything of the sort so how you can 'definitely remember' that is just a deliberate lie - end of story!!
You are clearly confused about the whole subject - you have earlier said the Greens get nothing done but had to backtrack when I listed a whole list of projects that they have completed or currently have under way! As for these alleged 'disasters' what actual disasters?! I accept the Lewes Rd bus lane isn't popular but were you screaming about crazy ideological madness when the A259 or London/ Preston Roads bus lanes were brought in or the Drive cycle lane that barely gets used - no not a word from you! More importantly will Tory/ Labour change anything the Greens have bought in come May next year? Bus lanes, cycle lanes 20mph - will they be gone - of course not because the other parties agree with what has been done! If they really cared about Edward Street revisions just why aren't they up in arms about it - because they AGREE with it for gods sake!!
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: @brighton bluenose - resorting to swearing again - how pitiful! I don't really care what you think or state as 'facts' - the green and their councillors have been spreading so much misinformation I'm not inclined to believe anything you (as a fanboy) say. All I can definitely remember is the green council being their typically arrogant selves and imposing the new pay scheme on the refuse men. No negotiating; no discussion; just KitKat appearing on TV telling everyone that it had to happen and then scurrying off to hide in the town hall to write a statement on his web site and telling everyone to read his, undoubted, brilliant paper. We, the poor residents, were left in the middle - suffering a strike caused entirely by an immature party with no real leadership who has no idea of how to deal with people (a bit like you!). The same arrogance the council leaders show in that they know what is best for everyone and that they are so clever, intelligent, and always right, so they can ask for views on any subject but then ignore them. What they just don't get is that all we want is a council that collects the rubbish, sweeps the streets , mows the grass and keeps the parks tidy. They should also realise they are there to represent residents, businesses and visitors and encourage more business to come to the city. The council is NOT a mini-government ruling over their state - trying to set policies for everything from living wage to fracking and giving a chance for all sorts of activists to implement their pet, vanity projects. Anyway 4 points: 1: The topic of this original article was the arches - not the refuse screw-up. 2: You seem to have no comeback for the remaining disasters that the green led council has imposed on the city. 3: The Greens need to convince the electorate that they have done an excellent job and I think you'll find that very few, outside the student community, will agree with you. 4: The greens have at last come clean that they are not really interested in the environment (esp. after what they have not achieved in the city) and only in becoming the left-wing alternative to the other political parties. In fact I just spotted an article in the Guardian (normal friend of the green-left as was): "Have the Greens blown it in Brighton? After sweeping to power in 2010, the party talked of building a utopian future for British politics. But bitter infighting and the realities of austerity have left their dream in disarray". I'll be very interested to see what the greens decide to do after their conference in Birmingham...[/p][/quote]The Greens didn't 'impose' anything of the sort so how you can 'definitely remember' that is just a deliberate lie - end of story!! You are clearly confused about the whole subject - you have earlier said the Greens get nothing done but had to backtrack when I listed a whole list of projects that they have completed or currently have under way! As for these alleged 'disasters' what actual disasters?! I accept the Lewes Rd bus lane isn't popular but were you screaming about crazy ideological madness when the A259 or London/ Preston Roads bus lanes were brought in or the Drive cycle lane that barely gets used - no not a word from you! More importantly will Tory/ Labour change anything the Greens have bought in come May next year? Bus lanes, cycle lanes 20mph - will they be gone - of course not because the other parties agree with what has been done! If they really cared about Edward Street revisions just why aren't they up in arms about it - because they AGREE with it for gods sake!! brighton bluenose
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