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Thousands of motorists to be caught by bus lane spy cam

11:44am Thursday 5th July 2007

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Transport officials are banking on raising up to £219,000 a year from motorists caught driving illegally in bus lanes.

Brighton and Hove City Council has said ten drivers are day are issued with a £60 fine after being caught on camera in the bus lanes.

When the cameras were introduced in March this year, the council only issued warning letters to drivers caught in the lanes.

Since June 15 however those caught in the city centre lanes have been slapped with a £60 penalty notice.

A council spokeswoman said: "The new bus lane enforcement scheme, designed to ensure the city centre corridor is kept clear for buses, taxis and cyclists, is working well.

"Since enforcement started on June 15, around ten tickets a day are being issued, indicating that most drivers have got the message that driving in bus lanes is illegal.

"Keeping the bus lanes clear to improve the public transport network is the aim of the enforcement and the long lead in period has helped educate drivers about the importance of keeping bus lanes clear. There is also a transparent appeals system in place for anyone who feels they have been wrongly ticketed.

"Before the council set up an enforcement scheme, it was estimated that about half the traffic using the bus lanes was doing so illegally."

Buses, taxis, cyclists and tuk-tuks are allowed in the lanes as well as police and council vehicles.

Peter Salvage, operations manager at Brighton and Hove Bus and Coach Company, said: "It is very difficult at the moment to get an overall picture of the situation because of the amount of roadworks in North Street.

"But we have seen a great reduction of the problem in key areas such as cars violating the no entry sign from Dyke Road at the Clock Tower and along Western Road."

Work is due to start on new bus lanes later this year on the A259 between Saltdean and Ovingdean. If completed on time the 4.5km long lanes are predicted to cut journey times into Brighton by up to a quarter for bus passengers and should be open next year.

The council is aiming to make at least £75,000 in the first year of operation of the city centre lane cameras.

Bus lane enforcement in Brighton and Hove was under the jurisdiction of Sussex Police but two years ago the Government made it possible for local authorities outside London to hand out fines.

Steve Percy, of motoring group People's Parking Protest, said a rethink was needed on car use in the city so that people were not forced to break the law because of the confusing road layout in the city.

He said: "Everything has happened too quickly with the parking changes, NCP car parks and the bus lanes. When are the charges to the motorist going to end?

"The Conservatives have said they are looking into underground parking and I support that. If there are more parking spaces in the city a lot of the cars will pull into them and walk.

"If you want motorists not breaking the law through parking restrictions or bus lanes, give them more spaces to park their cars."

Five CCTV cameras are monitored by operators who take photos of any vehicles in the six bus lane sections of Western Road, Dyke Road, Queens Road and North Street.

The scheme is designed to speed up bus travel and help the 42 million bus journeys made in the city each year to run on time.

Anyone caught driving in a bus lane will receive a £60 fine, dropping to £30 if paid within 14 days or rising to £90 after 28 days.

What do you think about bus lanes? Are they useful or just a way for the council to make money?

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James, Hove says...
12:02pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Even the way that the council talks in this article suggests that this is just a revenue earner. I appreciate why bus lanes are there in general but there needs to be some flexibility for business people using (for example) the top section of North Street to access the Laines, rather than spend forty minutes sitting in holiday traffic on the seafront. I guess I can look forward to a couple of fines for this fairly minor infringement over the last week or so, trying to make a living and bring business to our city.

Adam Brain, Brighton says...
12:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I have no problem with bus lanes and would love to use the bus, but what is the point, If myself and my girlfriend both go into the city then on the bus it costs £6, or £2 to park in churchill square, a £3 flat rate bus fare across the whole of the city does not encourage me to use the bus. It's too expensive.

Pete, Brighton says...
12:07pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I hope the money is used to put back into public transport and not lining staffs pockets. However, until the Bus companies are re-nationalised, I refuse to use them and stick to my car for every journey. I refuse to line shareholders pockets. The bus service in Brighton is not good anyway. Too overpriced and limited in where you want to go. Plus is it slow, with buses stopping every single stop. I wish the Bus company can be fined everytime they make a mistake.

Ergon, peacehaven says...
12:20pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I want to know how they are gonna fit these bus lanes along the A259 Saltdean to Ovingdean there is no room between Saltdean and Rottingdean you have the cliffs on one side and pavements and houses on the other. its chocka come rush hour so i can just see that getting worse. Yes i know get a bus but at £3 plus during commuting times its would cost more than driving we need a flat fate £1 fare brought back in to encourage people back to the buses. I for one wont be using the bus in the near future.

David, Hove says...
12:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Great Brighton & Hove Council have got as much out of the local motorist by charging him to park outside his own home and they have wasted that money so now they need another revenue stream to tap. Here,s an idea what about the Motorist, and before everyone jumps up and down with the old breaking the law rubbish, No one chooses to drive round Brighton ofor pleasure most of us are trying to earn a living to pay more and more just to live here, it is now harder to drive round this town than London and the buses cost more as well. Even when your out of the city centre the buses now block the flow of traffic due to the way these build outs have been planned (?)just look at Portslade Station area. Roger Frence as MD of a private company must be laughing himself to the bank every day the way this town has been given to him. It must be about time for him to raise the fares again. When B&H Council builds a Park and Ride outside the town with a quick cheap link (Tram or lite railway) to the City centre and beach then they can start to say they are helping Brighton & Hove to thrive.

One last thought Once they start to revitalise the Brighton Center (much overdue) then they will really start to rake it in from the bus lane cameras

buster, brighton says...
12:32pm Thu 5 Jul 07

£1 bus fare, i used to work for haven buses, remember them? we used to run from newhaven to brighton for one pound, £1.50 return. when brighton and hove bus co new of this they ran a service five minutes infront of ours to try to put us out of business. then when they have no compitition the prices go up.they do not care for anyone but their finances.

Jeff, Brighton says...
12:43pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Buster, Haven Buses were great. The town needs competition. How Brighton and Hove were allowed to merge with Brighton Buses was a discrace. Public transport should not be privitised. At the end of the day, the priority for Roger French is making profits for his shareholders and not providing a decent service.

Dave, Bus lane says...
12:44pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Im all for getting traffic moving in the city. It's a shame when there is so much crime they fail to catch as many violent offenders as they do "easy prey" Makes you wonder if the camera controllers are watching TV !!

Dave, Wivelsfield says...
12:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Why not be radical and reverse the sollution. In Crawley the bus lanes (in part) are separated by a raised kerb. fast track buses get light priority at junctions (like Croydon's trams) and the buses stay out of the way. The key is "stay out of the way". Cameras should then record buses transgressing the rules, namely not using the bus lanes (how often do we see that one?) or pulling out with indicators on but not as per the highway code which I think states that indicators mean that "when safe to do so this is what I'll be doing" (note they don't give a right to anything, however other road users are asked to giveway to buses - again when safe to do so at the motorists discretion not the bus driver's.)This way the profits being generated by the bus operators at the expense of a decent service could be in part recovered in the form of fines. I guess the logic in this is second to the cost of having to build proper bus lanes (which should have been built in the first place)

Dave, Saltdean says...
1:23pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Anywhere showing these plans for the A259 buslane?
I agree with Ergon, where is it going to go?

TJW, says...
1:46pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Another Stealth Tax..........

Keith, Hove says...
2:06pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Dave,

Take a look at the following

www.eastsussex.gov.u
k/NR/rdonlyres/FB0DA
7A5-79CC-40FB-ABD9-E
2FE936D1A82/13655/P1
30607A2591.pdf

LB, Hove says...
2:22pm Thu 5 Jul 07

TJW wrote:
Another Stealth Tax..........
only on those too stupid to understand what the words 'Bus Lane' mean and modify their behaviour accordingly.

Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
3:17pm Thu 5 Jul 07

42m bus journeys a year!?

I would be interested to see their Annual Report. The fares are good if you travel from outside of Brighton & Hove, but not if you live relatively close.

Brian, says...
4:19pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Pete wrote:
I hope the money is used to put back into public transport and not lining staffs pockets. However, until the Bus companies are re-nationalised, I refuse to use them and stick to my car for every journey. I refuse to line shareholders pockets. The bus service in Brighton is not good anyway. Too overpriced and limited in where you want to go. Plus is it slow, with buses stopping every single stop. I wish the Bus company can be fined everytime they make a mistake.
I agree with the first part of Pete's letter BUT disagree with the latter. I have lived all over the UK during the past 40 years or so and I can tell you that Brighton Bus Service is great. Go and live outer Glucester and just see their bus service that tend to finish around 23:00!

Fred the Cabby, Brighton says...
4:19pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I think the council are having a laugh or the system's not working right. 10 a day, more like a 1000+ a day drive down there illegally.
Come on B&H council tell us the truth.

TJW, 666-854 says...
4:30pm Thu 5 Jul 07

LB wrote:
TJW wrote: Another Stealth Tax..........
only on those too stupid to understand what the words \\\'Bus Lane\\\' mean and modify their behaviour accordingly.
Too many bus lanes for buses that serve only the people of Brighton.

The Economy of the city relies heavily on people traveling into Brighton.

Bus lanes (and YES I do know about park and ride - what a joke) do not help them.

Instead the city wants to rip them off with yet another stealth tax
.

GS, Brighton says...
4:45pm Thu 5 Jul 07

The City's road system is that of a small town - so confusing - I almost expect to see cattle being lead across London Road - get a modern, efficient system in place and none of us will need to dodge buses charging along their routes or try to work out where we can and can't go. The zig zag route into Brighton is no welcome for visitors - its archaic and dangerous.

richard, says...
4:53pm Thu 5 Jul 07

the cyclists rarely use the lanes provided and make driving dangerous for all, as for the cameras well they make money, money and more bloody money and why? cause of greed.

Norbert, Brighton says...
4:57pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Brian - I have friends living in Steyning. If they want a night out in Brighton they have to drive themselves as the last bus leaves at 11pm. If we had nationalised buses, the routes could run later without need for profit. I will appluad Brighton and Hove buses on their 24 number 7 service.

Dave, Daves Town says...
5:03pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Keith wrote:
Dave, Take a look at the following www.eastsussex.gov.u k/NR/rdonlyres/FB0DA 7A5-79CC-40FB-ABD9-E 2FE936D1A82/13655/P1 30607A2591.pdf
Which Dave, there are loads of em' ?

Dave.

Frank, Patcham says...
5:38pm Thu 5 Jul 07

I was in Blackpool last October and a day ticket was £4.50 Adult or £4.00 Child so Brighton's £2.80 Day saver or £10 Weekly is a Bargain. Ten drivers fined a day for driving in Bus lanes, Should be a Hundred plus from each camera.

Dennis, Brighton says...
5:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Brighton and Hove City Council has said ten drivers are day are issued with a £60 fine after being caught on camera in the bus lanes.

We were ALL warned.

Paul, Brighton says...
7:58pm Thu 5 Jul 07

Such enforcement is only fair, when the traffic restrictions are reasonable.
Unfortunately we have the absurd situation of sections of 24hr bus lane in the city centre without the bus services to justify it. To impose penalties at times when bus priority is not needed is clearly immoral.
Hopefully our new council will review and reverse some of the worst injustices imposed on us by their predecessors.

Alex, Hove says...
6:10am Fri 6 Jul 07

James wrote:
Even the way that the council talks in this article suggests that this is just a revenue earner. I appreciate why bus lanes are there in general but there needs to be some flexibility for business people using (for example) the top section of North Street to access the Laines, rather than spend forty minutes sitting in holiday traffic on the seafront. I guess I can look forward to a couple of fines for this fairly minor infringement over the last week or so, trying to make a living and bring business to our city.
"The council is aiming to make at least £75,000 in the first year of operation of the city centre lane cameras."

Just about says it all, really.

as far asI know, the bus lanes in North Street are flexible in that people coming out of Church Street car park have to go into thembut in a downward direction only. If you turn right by TK Maxx then it`s not a bus lane. I can understand trying to keep the clocktower area clear though as even in a car it`s dangerous round there. It`s not just buses it`s also pedestrians and cyclists. I actually refuse to drive a car in Central Brighon if I can help it, and I definitely don`t try and park as it takes too long. Once I`ve parked it`s often time to come home.
Perhaps some timed bus lanes (like the ones up London Road towards Withdean) would be the answer cos they are bus free fom about half 11 at night, and they are unenforced. The cameras are on Dyke Road and North Street, and along Western Road and Churchill Square.

What doesn`t help at the moment with regard to slow running of buses is those roadworks though. I was 27 minutes late after coming through them last Saturday, and I`d been on time going in.

Alex, Hove says...
6:18am Fri 6 Jul 07

Adam Brain wrote:
I have no problem with bus lanes and would love to use the bus, but what is the point, If myself and my girlfriend both go into the city then on the bus it costs £6, or £2 to park in churchill square, a £3 flat rate bus fare across the whole of the city does not encourage me to use the bus. It\'s too expensive.
You obviously live quite close to the centre, then. I used to live in Shoreham and it was £3 all day with B&H (when I had to pay) and a fortune on the Stagecoach ones.
It is cheaper if you get them in advance at the post office or One Stop, 7 days travel for a tenner rather than 3 days for £9.

caeos, says...
11:07pm Fri 6 Jul 07

so another rehash of the old story - this time with the word "spy" in the title.
Just search 'Bus lane' in date order.

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