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Cannabis-smoking mum stabbed herself to death
10:49pm Tuesday 11th March 2008
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A mother driven insane by cannabis stabbed herself repeatedly through the chest with a carving knife after claiming she was spoken to by a dog.
Julie Cross told friends the animal was "trying to tell her something" before picking up the 5in blade and ramming it at least five times into her chest and abdomen.
An inquest was told the former receptionist, from Goring, used speed and cannabis on a daily basis and in the weeks running up to her death had slashed her wrists and smeared her blood across a crucifix and also hung a noose from her attic.
Katie Leason, spokeswoman for mental health charity Rethink, said the case further proved that cannabis causes severe mental illness. "We don't believe there is any doubt about it now. There is a proven link between the drug and psychosis," said Ms Leason.
Rhys Cotton, 20, who lived with Miss Cross and her son Terry Greenslade, 22, discovered her body slumped on the floor on the morning of June 27 last year, after his blood-stained dogs ran to alert him as he got out of the bath.
Ms Cross, 41, suffered three fatal puncture wounds to her lungs and liver, the deepest of which was 4in long with other minor superficial knife injuries.
Mr Cotton, who called Miss Cross his "auntie", was the only person in the house at the time of the tragedy and was arrested the same day on suspicion of murder but later released.
He said during a police interview, which was read at the inquest: "I went upstairs and could see into her bedroom. "She said to me, 'I think the dog is trying to tell me something.' "I thought that was quite strange. A lot of things she did I found strange, but didn't really think too much about it."
He added: "She would tell me that she regularly heard voices and would often trash the house."
The hearing, at Worthing Town Hall, was told that Miss Cross, from Limbrick Lane, had drug-induced psychosis diagnosed in 2006.
It had led to her spending much of her last year in and out of the Mill View psychiatric hospital. The inquest heard that during what was described as a "very difficult life" Miss Cross had made repeated attempts on her own life, starting at the age of 14.
She had suffered two acrimonious divorces and on one occasion a spurned husband had returned to the family home with a can of petrol and a lighter, threatening to firebomb the property.
Detective Chief Inspector Steve Johns released Mr Cotton after he gave a "full and plausible" account of the incident.
That, coupled with Miss Cross's history and an absence of evidence of other third-party involvement, led the detective to conclude the wounds were self-inflicted.
Pathologist Dr Robert Chapman, who carried out a post-mortem examination on Miss Cross, agreed. He told the inquest: "There were a number of factors which allow us to make a judgment that is consistent with self-inflicted injuries."
Asked if Miss Cross would have been strong enough and capable enough of repeatedly stabbing herself, Dr Chapman said: "I think somebody would be capable of doing this. The major wound would not have instantly disabled her."
The coroner recorded a verdict of misadventure, saying the wounds could have been a "cry for help".
Miss Cross' family and friends told The Argus they believe she was murdered and would not have been able to inflict the wounds.
After the hearing, Amanda Cross, her sister, said: "She hated violence and adored Terry. She wouldn't have taken her own life. We are not going to let this drop."
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lucy, btn says...
11:47pm Tue 11 Mar 08
ray ellerton, portslade says...
11:50pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Non Druggy, hove says...
12:08am Wed 12 Mar 08
The general impression to the average reader says 'they are trying toooo hard to blame cannabis.'and the impetus of the story is lost and the intention of trying to put people off of the drug idea is lost too, because only the rare person who reads headlines and not the rest of the story will believe this sort of journalism. Please, please Argus..stop looking for 'hack' type of headlines because it either stops the reader from being informed or makes them think you are idiots.
Phil Smith, South Dakota, USA says...
1:26am Wed 12 Mar 08
Lonely, Kemp Town says...
4:46am Wed 12 Mar 08
Richard, london says...
6:00am Wed 12 Mar 08
Dikki, milton keynes says...
6:26am Wed 12 Mar 08
humpty, the wall says...
6:46am Wed 12 Mar 08
if so, isnt this dog liable.
lee, work says...
8:03am Wed 12 Mar 08
Aezek, Colorado, USA says...
8:10am Wed 12 Mar 08
lynn saunderson, says...
8:22am Wed 12 Mar 08
paul, brighton says...
8:29am Wed 12 Mar 08
If this 'proves' that cannabis causes mental illness, then presumably Michael Todd throwing himself off Snowdon 'proves' that becoming a policeman causes mental illness too...
Elf, Brighton says...
8:55am Wed 12 Mar 08
This poor woman had severe psychological problems from the age of 14, and regularly took speed, which is not only a drug that has _actual_ evidence linking it to psychosis, but is also regularly laced with other destructive substances.
...and the Argus immediately links her death to the cannabis.
Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.
This paper regularly takes tragic events like this and spins the facts (heard of those, Mr. Godfrey?) in this irresponsible manner. It's sloppy, lazy and dishonest.
I believe a retraction, reexamination and apology are in order. Again.
You, Mr. Godfrey, are a hack of the worst order. You are one of the pathetic examples of a "journalist" that has helped turn this once fine local paper into just another tabloid rag.
Simon, kemp town says...
8:59am Wed 12 Mar 08
journalism at its very worse!
Brighton is meant to be a liberal town for bohemians and thinkers, not daily mail hysteria. the poor womans family must be devastated by all this nonsense.
poor.
Winston Matthews, Horley Surrey says...
9:02am Wed 12 Mar 08
These posts referring to Reefer madness are right here, are right!
Amphetamine psychosis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Amphetamine psychosis is a form of psychosis which can result from amphetamine or methamphetamine use. Typically it appears after large doses or chronic use, although in rare cases some people may become psychotic after relatively small doses (Including such Amphetamine based ADD/ADHD based drugs e.g adderall). Other chemicals or drugs which similarly increase dopamine function (such as cocaine and L-DOPA) can produce similar psychotic states. Because of this, the term stimulant psychosis is sometimes preferred.
Need I say more, blaming cannabis for speed use is bad science, bad reporting, and in the states there is a pro marijuana group called "Safer" suing the USA government about the lies told about cannabis, about time someone, held these reporters to account for these purposely misleading articles.
Be warned Argus!
homarus, jersey says...
9:30am Wed 12 Mar 08
I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa.
This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed.
Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism.
My thoughts are with her friends and family.
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
9:37am Wed 12 Mar 08
Once again, two comments on a regional newspaper in the UK from two random punters in the US add to this really creep scientology feel.
Do we really need to have this pointless debate with a bunch of stoners again?
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
9:39am Wed 12 Mar 08
Richard wrote:Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.
Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
9:41am Wed 12 Mar 08
No, like Blair, they are simply whistling in the dark, all wishful thinking because they do not want to face up to the reality of this hideous death.
They should be ashamed of themselves for insinuating that somebody unnamed was responsible for the death.
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
9:42am Wed 12 Mar 08
homarus wrote:No they aren't.
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family.
Your thoughts are about trying to promote and justify your silly little drug habit
Elf, Brighton says...
9:50am Wed 12 Mar 08
If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words.
And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?
Alex, Brighton says...
9:55am Wed 12 Mar 08
She did not claim, as the headline suggests, that the dog spoke to her. She clearly said the dog was trying to tell her something. There is a difference.
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
10:00am Wed 12 Mar 08
Elf wrote:Sorry, just read your posts again and they are not exactly filled with any evidence are they?
@ Kickboxer, 09:37 If you'd care to supply some references or personal experiences of your own to back up your refutations, I'll gladly engage you in debate. Otherwise your comments are just empty words. And why shouldn't people in the US comment here?
You call someone a troll and then come out with the greatest line ever: 'Cannabis was far more likely to have helped her balance herself mentally than tip her over the edge - and I should know.' Empty words indeed.
If you were actually in Brighton and had ever read this site before then you would know who I am and wouldn't need 'references'.
I just find it odd that people in the US apparently trawl local news websites from around the world with the apparent sole purpose of spouting pro-cannabis propaganda. It's all a bit culty.
Tara Phlapps, Portslade says...
10:09am Wed 12 Mar 08
Eco Man, Kemp Town says...
10:13am Wed 12 Mar 08
Canna Zine, South Wales says...
11:03am Wed 12 Mar 08
The British press has for too long, gotten away with this kind of shoddy sensationalistic writing and it pleases me no end to see people finally taking a newspaper to task over its so called news output.
I wrote for local press for almost three years and I'll tell you, the journo who wrote this piece is due a pay-rise, as all the feedback it caused means people are on the website so its a job well done.
The cannabis community are just the sheep which the newspaper "herds" with its sheepdog, cleverly disguised as a news article.
RIP Julie Cross
Canna Zine - daily zine for the cannabis scene
Adam Hope, Newcastle-under-lyme says...
11:11am Wed 12 Mar 08
Mel, Brighton says...
12:25pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Bodle, leicester says...
1:45pm Wed 12 Mar 08
dave in Prague, Prague says...
2:01pm Wed 12 Mar 08
homarus wrote:Come on then bright one.
this is absolutly unbeleivable I agree that legal action should be taken against misreportings like this. Absolutly no evidence at all. If she drank alchohol would it be blamed for her already existing psychosis? I feel sorry for people like Gabriel who have been so miseducated and brain washed that they have infact lost their grip with reality and not vice versa. This is a day after an informative piece on channel 4 which actually admited that cannabis had positive effects on alzeimers and could have other medical benifits let alone let alone the recreational ones. Although I can in no way condone the use of speed. Times are changing I beleive journalists who report like this will soon be out of work and truthful and educational information will become more norma. Well I really hope so because this is disgusting journalism. My thoughts are with her friends and family.
List the effects of speed.
Then..list the effects of cannabis...
Then explain why cannabis is the culprit in theis issue.
And before you run away with the...your in Prague, not Brighton...im from Brighton.
mary james, 470-222 says...
2:21pm Wed 12 Mar 08
having spotted this load of tosh, why would we believe anything that you print?
is this a murdoch owned paper by any chance?
Siphersh, Hungary says...
3:07pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Also, many people all around the world are working to provide very important information about the dangers of drugs. This ridiculous and stupid article is making people believe that information about the dangers of drugs cannot be taken seriously, thereby doing great disservice to the community.
A mother driven insane by cannabis
It's really infuriating and extremely stupid to say such a thing based on the presented information. How can such an article be published?! How is that supposed to be journalism?
Moon Pig, Brighton says...
3:26pm Wed 12 Mar 08
As for the article, well, until that's proven can they actually legally say things like that? If I was a member of her family I think I'd find that pretty hurtful and disrespectful...
Peter Grimes, Runcorn says...
3:33pm Wed 12 Mar 08
PC Plod wrote:What other way is there of stopping him publishing lies like these?
So let me get this straight Sir. You propose to track down and inflict injuries sufficent to disable the ability to walk of a man who produces a news article, the contents of which you do not like? You seem like a very angry man and perhaps it would be best if you were to accompany me to the station at this time. I also think the grammar police will want a quiet word in your ear.
If you complain through regular channels you get nowhere.
angry, after FFS says...
3:34pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Flat Foot Soozie wrote:Who are you to say she had no love in her life!! Knowing her son like i do there was a lot of love there so keep you cheap and nasty comments to yourself.....You must have a very sad life soozie as all you seem to do is sit on her all day making stupid comments that no one reads!!
Call me an old-fashioned, romantic girl, if you must, but Cole Porter had a point: "I get no kick from cocaine, flying too high in the sky... I get a kick out of you." If there had been some love in her life instead of sitting around in a stoner pack, she would not have reached for the knife.
Another reader, says...
3:38pm Wed 12 Mar 08
That's not too much to ask, is it?
Another reader, says...
3:40pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Another reader wrote:The above comment was aimed at 'A.Reader'.
Perhaps if you toned down the provocative nature of your comments, nobody would have the need to delete them. That's not too much to ask, is it?
Kickboxer, Just off to the Texaco, anyone fancy a Topic bar? says...
4:05pm Wed 12 Mar 08
I even helped put the tapes into a very tasty little CCTV system for an alleged cannabis cafe which includes a clever device called a 'camera'.
I have nothing against smokers, I love those dopey gits and like nothing more than listening to them waffle on for hours about TV programmes from the 80s and sometimes accompany them on trips to the all night garage for Topic bars. I even like listening to seriously monged music and once I saw like faces in the fire, man.
Now stop being mean or I'll track you all down and beat you up.
ingo, Norfolk says...
4:23pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Finally to use this poor womens life to score another rabid point against cannabis, is naive and indistinguishable from the Governments prohibitionist line, you can do better than this.
Ingo, LCA environmental spokesperson, Norfolk
Mikey, USA says...
4:46pm Wed 12 Mar 08
just wondering, the library says...
4:49pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Me, here says...
5:00pm Wed 12 Mar 08
just wondering wrote:They're most likely just the ones you know about.
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
Barry, Shoreham says...
5:11pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Ingo - you accuse people here of using this tragic story for point-scoring and yet are using it yourself to promote outdated nonsense that "The Weed is 100% harmless and wouldn't it be great if everyone smoked it and there would be no wars etc... etc..."
Anyone who's seen dope send close friends into a downward spiral of schizophrenic hell will know what I'm talking about.
Barry, Shoreham says...
5:18pm Wed 12 Mar 08
mary james, reading says...
5:37pm Wed 12 Mar 08
i'll be ashamed of my attitude when the press starts printing something approximating the truth. lies and shoddy journalism have to be exposed.
what a thoughtless point to make.
mary james, reeading says...
5:46pm Wed 12 Mar 08
some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is.
uninformed insults don't help you make any points just wondering . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?
Jason, Worthing says...
5:51pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Barry wrote:No Barry, the so called journalist should be ashamed of printing lies and propaganda off the back of this poor womans demise. Shame on him and shame on The Argus for printing it.
It\'s also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you\'ve all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Surgeon's Pal, ER says...
5:59pm Wed 12 Mar 08
mary james wrote:Actually he is a pretty lazy surgeon and quite scruffy too.
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy? some are, some aren't, we're a cross section of society. only yesterday a senior surgeon was charged with using cannabis although i don't know how boring he is. uninformed insults don't help you make any points just wondering . you may be in the libray but the books are just decoration, aren't they?
I wouldn't say he was boring exactly but his guests did tend to fall asleep during starters at his dinner parties
Me, here says...
6:16pm Wed 12 Mar 08
Barry wrote:Actually Barry, I don't smoke dope. I used to as a youth but grew out of it (as most do).
It's also quite obvious that these comments have been hijacked by a group of pro-dope-smokers from another website or wherever you've all come from. Somebody here has died and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
You may call me a "pro-dope-smoker", I see myself as a pro-factual-informat
ion-about-the-conseq
uences-of-smoking-do
pe sort of person.
Yes, someone has died and I don't like to hear that.
Ashamed..? Of what?
Mikey, USA says...
6:56pm Wed 12 Mar 08
c dawson, eastbourne says...
9:08pm Wed 12 Mar 08
WCD, London says...
9:32pm Wed 12 Mar 08
The headline is disgraceful. It should read 'Speed taking mum stabbed herself to death', as that is what most likely caused her death. There are direct, proven links between Speed and Psychosis. On top of this, she had been Psychotic since she was 14! Blaming cannabis is ridiculous.
I hope her friends and family are able to move on despite this shocking article.
Tyler McCormack, where ever you arent says...
4:38am Thu 13 Mar 08
Jon, bfe says...
9:13am Thu 13 Mar 08
tobi, brighton says...
10:29am Thu 13 Mar 08
John Arkwright, Brighton says...
10:49am Thu 13 Mar 08
chris, liverpool says...
12:42pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Speed will give you a mental illness long before cannabis. Its a sad story, and no deserves this but cannabis cannot be blamed. Its a classic overlook of the situation.
Its the same with cannabis psychosis, There is always underlying factors. In this case, SPEED.
misspeachesandicecre
am, Brighton says...
12:53pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Chris, Brighton says...
12:55pm Thu 13 Mar 08
That is not many people then.
As for the Argus, free press means freedom to report the facts, not make up a load of crap and parade it as fact.
In this case I would accept the public burning of this fiction, it has no place in our society.
Bernard, Shoreham says...
1:21pm Thu 13 Mar 08
"The hearing, at Worthing Town Hall, was told that Miss Cross, from Limbrick Lane, had drug-induced psychosis diagnosed in 2006."
Yes - DIAGNOSED - by a DOCTOR. Though I expect you'd all like to think that the doctor is in league with the paper and is part of the whole conspiracy. Grow up, please.
Dave, Brighton says...
2:38pm Thu 13 Mar 08
us.co.uk and also send a letter to the editor via http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/letters/s
endaletter/ about the disgraceful level of misreporting and sensalisation this paper has been quilty of recently. its getting worse and worse as the weeks go on.
Miles, you should be ashamed of yourself, you may want to reconsider your career as a "journalist"
Anthony, Leeds says...
3:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Bionic Steve, Brighton says...
4:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Anthony wrote:Anyone here naive enough to deny the abundance of medical evidence that cannabis can and does cause schizophrenia, psychosis and depression? And how is someone from Leeds suddenly interested in this website?
wow, just wow... I never thought the the uk press could ever match the crap the US government pushes about cannabis every day. The fact that this woman smoked cannabis at all is incidental given the available evidence. She was diagnosed by a doctor with DRUG-induced psychosis (speed anyone?) not cannabis induced psychosis. Besides, anyone here naive enough to think doctors are incapable misdiagnosing people?
Scott, Calgary, Canada says...
5:00pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Anthony, Leeds says...
5:19pm Thu 13 Mar 08
What can I say however unsubstantiated the headline was attention grabbing enough to reel me in (more than likely the point). Besides you think its funny me being on here? You haven't said a word about the canadians and americans. Anyway back on topic, I won't say that weed doesn't cause health and or mental problems, I'm not qualified to do that. However surely most people would agree that the article is unfairly biased and the headline misleading.
Mac, says...
5:24pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Mikey wrote:They SHOOT each other instead
Kickboxer: I live in the US and my comment did not mention cannabis. Moderator my a ss, you're just a sad little man on a power trip, using the anonymity of the web. You threaten anyone who dares to disagree with you. But, since YOU mention cannabis, I'm happy to add that where I live cannabis is legal, and no-one walks around stabbing themselves to death because of it.
Mac, says...
5:27pm Thu 13 Mar 08
But hope is on the horizon, because I understand that the Labour party now says enough is enough and, drug addicts will lose their rights to benefit if they fail to attend drug treatment clinics, this is very good news indeed, but even better is the fact that drug users are going to be targeted by the police just as much as the dealers are targeted, because it is now believed that demand is as much of cause of the drug problem as the supply of drugs is, I say Amen to that.
amanda cross, worthing says...
6:11pm Thu 13 Mar 08
My Sister did use speed and smoke cannibis on a daily basis and stopped doing this in december 2006.FACT.
Her Toxicology report came back clear of all drugs and alcohol, not even a pain killer in her system.FACT. however Miles ignored this Fact.
The verdict was Not suicide as Miles has tried to make it look. The Coroner said she could not find beyond reasonable doubt suicide OR murder. That is why she came to the conclusion of Misadventure.
We the family and freinds are hurt and angry by this poor reporting considering he sat all the way through the inquest.
At no point was it said that my sister was driven insane by anything.FACT
At no point did family or freinds say we would not let this drop.FACT.
I will be complaining to the press complaints commision.
The family would like to thank everyone that has posted supportive comments.
HayC, UK says...
7:10pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Mikey, USA says...
7:17pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Mikey, USA says...
7:19pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
7:39pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Kickboxer wrote:Wow I bet you feel really big useing my web name! anyone who has read my previous comments regarding cannabis will know that the other comments on this site are not mine, I know plenty of people that smoke cannabis and they are hard working intelligent people that are capable of serious debate, unlike some of the people on this site. From the real "Kickboxer" Worthing
Richard wrote:Good luck with that. Why not try Watchdog at the same time?
Rip that poor lady but shame on your paper for such biased non journalism.ill since 14 and was a heavy amphetamine user which can produce psychosis but you focus quite erroneously on cannabis with your cheap shot headline.You insult your readership by doing so,for shame.Press complaints commission will be hearing from me for sure.
Frankly, I think both have bigger fish to fry.
Jono, uk says...
7:46pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Mike, California, USA says...
10:43pm Thu 13 Mar 08
LOgic, London says...
2:23am Fri 14 Mar 08
Gary J Seevers, springfield MO says...
7:39am Fri 14 Mar 08
Jordan Backman, says...
9:05am Fri 14 Mar 08
misspeachesandcream, Brighton says...
10:24am Fri 14 Mar 08
amanda cross wrote:Amanda, my sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss and I hope the PCC takes this incident of misreporting seriously.
I am the sister of Julie Cross.I feel the need to put the facts as Miles has done a lot of damage with this article. i have complained to his Boss Lee Gibbs and asked for an apology.
My Sister did use speed and smoke cannibis on a daily basis and stopped doing this in december 2006.FACT.
Her Toxicology report came back clear of all drugs and alcohol, not even a pain killer in her system.FACT. however Miles ignored this Fact.
The verdict was Not suicide as Miles has tried to make it look. The Coroner said she could not find beyond reasonable doubt suicide OR murder. That is why she came to the conclusion of Misadventure.
We the family and freinds are hurt and angry by this poor reporting considering he sat all the way through the inquest.
At no point was it said that my sister was driven insane by anything.FACT
At no point did family or freinds say we would not let this drop.FACT.
I will be complaining to the press complaints commision.
The family would like to thank everyone that has posted supportive comments.
stan, monongahela ,pa says...
4:31pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Thorin, washington state US says...
5:19pm Fri 14 Mar 08
lo!!! God Gave us Weed, and the devil gave us meth, you decide which is bad for you
Kakkoii, Canada says...
6:38pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Unless you've smoked marijuana a bunch of times. You have no say on the subject.
Speed is known for triggering anxiety and psychosis. Yet the person writing this article seems to go on an attack of marijuana.
People should do there homework before posting false info in stories. News reporters aren't supposed to put there own personal beliefs into the story, only fact.
Matthew, says...
8:38pm Fri 14 Mar 08
just wondering wrote:We are not. Many of us have well cut hair, though it may be long or short. Most of us shave or trim our beards. As for boring different people can find different things boring, if watching rugby is not your thing then you would find it boring to sit with my buddies and watch France play against Wales. As for lazy, most of us work, some of us work more than one job, then we take care of our kids and the shopping. You do not realize how many "normal" looking people around you smoke cannabis.
Why is it that cannabis users are all so lazy, boring and scruffy?
matthew, Draguignan, France says...
8:47pm Fri 14 Mar 08
matthew, Draguignan, France says...
8:51pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Mac wrote:In the USA users are targets as much as dealers but we still produce and consume more cannabis than any other country in the world. Also where do you get off saying that people that smoke cannabis suffer from mental illness? I work all week long and yes, tonight is Friday night and I smoked 2 joints of pure weed. How do I have any more mental illness than someone who goes out to the bar for a few pints???? Has society fallen apart in the Netherlands since the mid seventies when they began to allow coffeehouses? I think not.
Poor woman, but it is a total waste of time and effort debating whether or not cannabis caused the death of this poor woman or her mental illness with anyone who uses drugs, because, one has only to read the pathetic ramblings of the pro-cannabis lobby on this thread to realise that they are all suffering from mental illness of one form or the other and, lack the power of logic when it comes to reality, especially their reality.
But hope is on the horizon, because I understand that the Labour party now says enough is enough and, drug addicts will lose their rights to benefit if they fail to attend drug treatment clinics, this is very good news indeed, but even better is the fact that drug users are going to be targeted by the police just as much as the dealers are targeted, because it is now believed that demand is as much of cause of the drug problem as the supply of drugs is, I say Amen to that.
Joe, USA says...
1:14am Sat 15 Mar 08
Will, USA says...
1:26am Sat 15 Mar 08
rickles, 762-640 says...
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Ray, says...
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kevin, says...
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Dylan D Rizzle, VA son! says...
12:33pm Mon 17 Mar 08
hippy, poppy field says...
5:51pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Brittany, California says...
6:11pm Mon 17 Mar 08
YES I TO THE MOST HIGH. RAS TAFARI
not you,, USA says...
10:02pm Mon 17 Mar 08
hereticzero, says...
3:12am Tue 18 Mar 08
Pro Reform, says...
4:48am Wed 19 Mar 08
Iain, Hull says...
9:28am Wed 19 Mar 08
I work for the Drug Interventions Programme so feel slightly qualified to comment on this.
Firstly, cannabis does not CAUSE depression, psychosis or schizophrenia. The person already has to have a predisposition to one of these conditions. What cannabis can do, especially the stronger strains, is act as a trigger. But then so can any other drug, alcohol, stress or trauma. Certainly in the 1990's amphetamine psychosis was the biggest single drug linked psychosis. And amphetamines CAN cause these mental health problems, not just act as a trigger.
Let's also not forget alcohol; the British Crime Survey 2005/2006 listed 1,029,000 violent incidents where alcohol was a factor but strangely not a single incident where cannabis was the main factor. The most violent a solely cannabis user is likely to exhibit is a battle with a friend over the last mars bar at 4 in the morning. Equally all drug user stereotypes are not accurate. I have met heroin users who are professionals; doctors, lawyers, accountants etc and as amy cannabis users who see a few joints at the weekend as the equal of a few cans or a couple of whiskys.
But as with many aspects of life today, profits count more than people. I would not be surprised that if we looked at the dishonest journalist who wrote this and examined his cv, then we would find that he perhaps gained much of his experience working on the Sunday Sport.
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