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Man who stashed firearms escapes prison

9:49am Thursday 28th August 2008

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By Andy Whelan »

A man who stashed a deadly sub-machine gun with ammunition and a pistol at his grandmother’s house has walked free from court.

The law states that the minimum term for anyone caught with a firearm is five years behind bars.

But James Kelly will not spend a day in prison. Last night anti-gun campaigners slammed the “soft touch” decision not to jail the 20-year-old by a judge who declared Kelly was not a danger to the public.

Kelly, a former crack cocaine and heroin addict, claimed he was forced into looking after the weapons by a gang he owed £10,000 to.

Police raided his grandmother Vera Kelly’s home in Warren Drive, Crawley, and found a Stirling sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol with 54 bullets, a magazine for the machine gun and a silencer.

But judge David Rennie allowed Kelly to walk free from Hove Crown Court yesterday with a 12-month sentence suspended for two years, a 9pm to 6am curfew and 200 hours community service.

Raymond Stevenson, of the anti-gun Don’t Trigger Campaign, said: “I’m disgusted by the judge’s decision and I feel sorry for the Sussex community.

“This decision sends out a message to everyone hiding weapons that if you get the right judge you won’t get the mandatory sentence.

“We are burying people on a weekly basis because of gun crime and it isn’t acceptable to let people walk free from court, whatever their excuses are.”

Earlier this year, one of Britain’s senior police officers, Merseyside chief constable Bernard Hogan-Howe, condemned judges who were giving lenient sentences for firearms offences.

But Sussex Police refused to comment on Kelly’s sentence.

Paula Ogungboro, of Mothers Against Guns, whose son Eugene was shot dead in 2003, criticised the judge’s decision.

She said: “It’s disgusting. This isn’t justice, it’s outrageous.

“What is the law for if soft touch judges are allowing people with deadly weapons hidden in their homes to get off? I don’t understand it.

“What is this judge getting paid for – for giving someone a 12-month suspended sentence when he should have got five years?”

Kelly, of Hyde Square, Upper Beeding, admitted at an earlier hearing having firearms and ammunition without a licence.

He had gone to live with his grandmother in Crawley in 2004 and stashed the guns in her attic.

He said the weapons were not his but he refused to reveal who they belonged to. It was not known if the guns worked.

Simon Burch, defending Kelly, said he got involved in drugs when his grandfather and aunt died two years ago and his mother and brother moved to Holland. He said: “The defendant couldn’t work because he was in the grip of an addiction.

”He racked up a debt and got himself in financial difficulties.

“The defendant took the bag which contained the items which contained the subject matter of this indictment.

“The defendant now has had a girlfriend for a period of nine months and is expecting his first child. He has addressed his drug problem and has got his life back on track.”

Judge Rennie said: “The minimum sentence for an offence of this kind is five years. These sort of weapons are a blight on our society. Anybody who considers having any dealing with firearms of this sort must expect a minimum sentence of five years.”

However, Judge Rennie said Kelly’s “exceptional circumstances”, including his guilty plea, contributed to his decision to give him a lighter sentence.

He said: “I view this conduct as being wholly out of character and if I’m any judge of character, it’s never likely to be repeated.”

Lewes MP Norman Baker said: “I’m deeply surprised. Having a sub-machine gun seems to me rather more serious than the sort of thing people would expect to walk free from court for.”

What do you think of the sentence? Comment below.


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son of meg mortimer, Hove says...
9:56am Thu 28 Aug 08

Quite right too, Prison should be reserved for real criminals such as motorists and TV licence fee evaders.

son of meg mortimer, Hove says...
10:04am Thu 28 Aug 08

.... opps forgot to say, these 'bad eggs' will allways trip up sooner or later, he was by all accounts a nasty piece of work, so expect to see him in trouble again sooner or later

wild berry, brighton says...
10:35am Thu 28 Aug 08

Didnt the maniac at Dunblane have a stash of illegal guns hidden away?
Have we not learned that illegal firearms that are being hidden away are for the sole purpose of killing people. Anyone involved in this needs to be locked up, with the key thrown away , and not walking free , with a picture of their smiling face in the paper.

Maurice Marina, Holbrook says...
10:47am Thu 28 Aug 08

A Glock pistol. At least he had taste in his choice of weaponary.

Cant believe he`s walked free from prison.

Its a joke

Voice of the silent Majority, Hove says...
12:21pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Lets hope it is a relative of Judge Rennie who suffers from this kind of "soft touch" and not an innocent member of the public.

IS a defence to any crime now going to be, i am a drug addict who was in debt so i had to do it

fascinator, Hove Actually says...
1:09pm Thu 28 Aug 08

A relative of the Judge IS an innocent member of the public.

Bobster, Shoreham says...
1:41pm Thu 28 Aug 08

fascinator wrote:
A relative of the Judge IS an innocent member of the public.
Fascinator, did you know you are named after a very small and purely decorative ladies hat?

wolf, fishersgate says...
2:07pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Stirling sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol with 54 bullets, a magazine for the machine gun and a silencer:

SMG for short has a folding butt, which makes it very small easy to conceal under a jacket, or in a carrier bag etc, can be fired single shot or fully automatic, not the sort of thing you pick up at the local boot-sale and he gets off with a slap on the wrist I think he should have got ten years minimum.
I would also like to know how these sort of weapons get onto the streets,do the police know ?

Issac Hunt, Brighton says...
4:02pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Hmmmm - he looks more like a junior barrister in the picture. All part of the defence presentation i suppose.

Quote from report: "It was not known if the guns worked" - oh my god, i think that is somewhat relevant surely. If they are de-activated or not able able to fire bullets, it does effect the issue somewhat!

I imagine there is more to this matter than meets the eye ie: perhaps this guy is not a known 'gangster' with history, but merely a fool on drugs.

If not, the sentencing is about as daft as it gets.


Bobster, Shoreham says...
4:27pm Thu 28 Aug 08

Issac Hunt wrote:
Hmmmm - he looks more like a junior barrister in the picture. All part of the defence presentation i suppose.Quote from report: And I'm not even going to comment on your username Isaac.

Classic!

colavey, Brighton says...
5:18pm Thu 28 Aug 08

The judge should be charged with being an accessory

Ronald, Hailsham says...
8:05pm Thu 28 Aug 08

And we're suppose to have respect for the law are we? This judge is a MK.1 Prat and should be retired forthwith!

pigletstrotters, Brighton says...
1:35am Fri 29 Aug 08

You lot are so heartless and cruel,,give the lad a chance to prove he is not going to kill anyone with the guns he had ,,(why would anyone have guns if not to shooot somone or somehing)before getting all upset by it ,,,after all the judges know best ...

barongold, Brighton says...
11:53am Fri 29 Aug 08

wild berry wrote:
Didnt the maniac at Dunblane have a stash of illegal guns hidden away?Have we not learned that illegal firearms that are being hidden away are for the sole purpose of killing people. Anyone involved in this needs to be locked up, with the key thrown away , and not walking free , with a picture of their smiling face in the paper.
Guns are NOT kept for the sole purpose of killing people, as the Police and the army have lots of guns.
Mandatory sentences are never a good Idea and the Judge in any case is the best person to make a decision based upon the evidence and the circumstances.

barongold, Brighton says...
12:02pm Fri 29 Aug 08

wolf wrote:
Stirling sub-machine gun, a Glock pistol with 54 bullets, a magazine for the machine gun and a silencer:SMG for short has a folding butt, which makes it very small easy to conceal under a jacket, or in a carrier bag etc, can be fired single shot or fully automatic, not the sort of thing you pick up at the local boot-sale and he gets off with a slap on the wrist I think he should have got ten years minimum. I would also like to know how these sort of weapons get onto the streets,do the police know ?
A sterling sub machine gun SMG is a 9mm parabellum weapon. Section 5 prohibited firearm. Licence available only from the Home Office. It was widely used by the British Army since the 1950's.
Related from the sten gun it would use 54 rounds in a few seconds.
A soldier would carry several 30 round clips.
To be fair he would have had to grassed everyone in the world for everything to get a walkout. But again the Judge is the best person to make the decision as the Judge has all the facts that YOU don't.

Bobster, Shoreham says...
12:05pm Fri 29 Aug 08

But, barongold, 'illegal guns hidden away' (which is what wild berry wrote) are.

And anyway, what do the police and the army use theirs for then, displaying wild flowers in a contemporary modern art fashion?

barongold, Brighton says...
12:08pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Issac Hunt wrote:
Hmmmm - he looks more like a junior barrister in the picture. All part of the defence presentation i suppose.Quote from report: "It was not known if the guns worked" - oh my god, i think that is somewhat relevant surely. If they are de-activated or not able able to fire bullets, it does effect the issue somewhat!I imagine there is more to this matter than meets the eye ie: perhaps this guy is not a known 'gangster' with history, but merely a fool on drugs.If not, the sentencing is about as daft as it gets.
If the weapons were de-activated and the bullets inert the guy would probably not even be charged.
The police would have tested the weapons and reported to the court if they worked or not.
It would seem they did not.
And possesion of a De-activated firearm is perfectly legal as they do not fire.

barongold, Brighton says...
12:10pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Ronald wrote:
And we're suppose to have respect for the law are we? This judge is a MK.1 Prat and should be retired forthwith!
I feel that is CONTEMPT. You should be arrested.

barongold, Brighton says...
12:15pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Bobster wrote:
But, barongold, 'illegal guns hidden away' (which is what wild berry wrote) are. And anyway, what do the police and the army use theirs for then, displaying wild flowers in a contemporary modern art fashion?
If the Press had reported this case correctly they would have included the CHARGES, which are quite telling.
Also the Police and army carry guns for 2 reasons.
1. Self protection it the line of duty.
2. Detterrent as with our Nuclear capability.
They are there to be used if neccesary, not to go out looking for someone to shoot.

Bobster, Shoreham says...
12:19pm Fri 29 Aug 08

barongold wrote:
Bobster wrote:But, barongold, 'illegal guns hidden away' (which is what wild berry wrote) are. And anyway, what do the police and the army use theirs for then, displaying wild flowers in a contemporary modern art fashion?If the Press had reported this case correctly they would have included the CHARGES, which are quite telling.Also the Police and army carry guns for 2 reasons.1. Self protection it the line of duty.2. Detterrent as with our Nuclear capability.They are there to be used if neccesary, not to go out looking for someone to shoot.
By the way in the paper it looks more like a Sten to me

barongold, Brighton says...
12:26pm Fri 29 Aug 08

I didn't see the hard copy and there is only a picture of the glock on the online version.
But the sten and the stirling are much the same.
I did notice a lazer red dot sight on the pistol.

Bobster, Shoreham says...
3:15pm Fri 29 Aug 08

barongold wrote:
I didn't see the hard copy and there is only a picture of the glock on the online version.But the sten and the stirling are much the same.I did notice a lazer red dot sight on the pistol.
Laser.

See me afterwards.

wolf, fishersgate says...
6:44am Sat 30 Aug 08

If the weapons were de-activated and the bullets inert the guy would probably not even be charged.

But he was charged, so they must have been live rounds and sharp weapons!
he law states that the minimum term for anyone caught with a firearm is five years behind bars.

tara portslade, portslade says...
12:48pm Sat 30 Aug 08

oi wolf, look at his picture at him smiling his little face off. well you wanna see him now he is laughing his **** head off.

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