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London Road traders say addicts and drunks are taking over area

9:31am Tuesday 2nd September 2008

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A once booming shopping area is being “left to rot” by police and the council as drug dealers and vagrants drive customers away, say traders.

Drug pushers sell heroin in supermarket doorways while addicts inject the drug near a local primary school.

Shopkeepers in London Road, Brighton, also say beggars have attacked them, steal purses from pensioners and intimidate customers.

Desperate businesses have now formed the London Road Traders’ Association demanding Brighton and Hove City Council and Sussex Police take action to improve the area.

The police and the council have welcomed the move. Both say they have been dealing with area’s problems but realise more needs to be done. The group has been formed as two more off-licences open in the road and drug addicts continue to flock to nearby needle exchanges.

Traders have accused the authorities of turning their back on London Road and allowing drug dealers to ply their trade to stop the problem spreading to other parts of the city.

Joy Flowers, who has sent letters to other traders asking them to join the new group, said addicts were injecting by a school.

She said: “I think the police and council have made a decision to contain the problems by allowing it to go on here. It is totally unacceptable and I want to put pressure on the authorities to address the problem seriously and resolve it as quickly as possible before London Road becomes a retail graveyard.”

Azita Dodd, owner of Oki Nami in nearby York Place, is closing the Japanese shop in three weeks because she has been “emotionally drained” by the local louts.

She said: “Last year my husband parked his car outside and refused to give beggars some money, so they kicked him in the chest, chased him and stole his phone.

“I was threatened and told by one drunk outside my shop that if he ever saw me elsewhere he would kill me.”

Traders want more officers on the to deal with shoplifters, and the dealers to be arrested and banned from plying their trade in the area.

Brighton Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor admitted there were problems in the area and welcomed the formation of the association.

He added: “There are certainly issues in the area and that is why we put our resources down there.

“But we need to know who, where and when so we can target our resources effectively.”

The council said it had successfully helped reduce antisocial crime and was working with police to improve the area. A spokesman said: “There is still much to do and are grateful for any information people can give us on substance misuse, crime and antisocial behaviour.”


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Bruce L, Brighton says...
11:38am Tue 2 Sep 08

I think the point is you cannot have the drug treatment centre where it is - just behind London Road and not expect this kind of thing to happen!

Whoever is responsible needs to be pressurised to re-site this - away from a populated area like this!

Gerro, saltdean says...
12:37pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Well presumably either the council and/or the police have a direct role to play in the number of alcohol licences they issue. As I the only person who thinks that B&H already has far too many convenience stores that sell booze?? North Rd is going the same way as London Rd...take the new Somerfield..it's just another glorifed offie masquerading as a mini-supermaket.

At the moment, if you get refused entry to a pub/club or get chucked out all you have to do is stagger 10 paces and you can buy 20 cans of Stella for a tenner and resume your evening's mission of being a nuisance/causing fights/puking up. It's about time something was done about this.

Maurice Marina, Holbrook says...
12:46pm Tue 2 Sep 08

I would have thought that the typical stores and shops allready there encourage & cater for this type of lifestyle.

Its a grotty area with some apauling sights that makes the passengers on the park n ride often gasp and comment as the bus lumbers along this road.

Sorry to be seemingly cruel, but you cant polish a turd as they say!

Heike, London Road neighbour says...
1:09pm Tue 2 Sep 08

I work near London Road and I see the described scenes daily. However, I don't think you can accuse the patients using the needle exchange nearby of being those who cause rowdy scenes. I often get asked for directions from individuals looking for the needle exchange, and so far they have always been polite, even shy individuals. Often young women with prams or young men who look like they have had a rough time but are clear-eyed and polite when they approach me. I'm afraid the rowdy drunks that cause offense nearby are most probably not needle-exchange patients, since they seem far from on the mend. Therefore the trouble is not the needle exchange place. I agree that the number of cheap booze outlets needs cutting down instead.
Just to redress the balance of this black and white reportage, which is disappointing and short-sighted from the Argus.

Maurice Marina, Holbrook says...
1:29pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Well said Heike

It needs re-developing and policing HARD.

I know these sort of areas are not as swish and pleasant as other areas but a visible and pro-active protection of the area is at best only going to make things more tolerable.

The undesirable ones causing hell for people trying to go about daily business need taking out of circulation.

disgruntledHove, hove says...
1:36pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Wonders WHEN the London Rd was a booming shopping area?
I have been going there on and off since 1982 and never would have described it as 'booming'. The Open Market used to attract people to the vicinity, but that has long since been spoiled.
The drunks, druggies and unfortunates of the world have to go somewhere..and to date, there is nowhere that welcomes them. There but for fortune go you or I.
As for the poor folk who have to see some reality as they enter Brighton on the bus..oh dear..they will need some blinds on the buses.

Moon Pig, Brighton says...
1:38pm Tue 2 Sep 08

London Road is somewhere I only go if I really HAVE to, because of the people there. The first and only time I went to the Open Market I walked past a couple of guys who were just hanging around there, spitting and throwing food on the floor and at the birds, while swearing. I think they were drunk. There were quite a few people like that around so I haven't been back since, it was not pleasant. The main road is often the same and it really puts me off going. I'd rather walk/bus further into town than go there and I wouldn't dream of it after dark.
High time something is done about it, they are local shops for many people but are avoided by the majority.

son of meg mortimer, Hove says...
1:47pm Tue 2 Sep 08

It went downhill when Marks and Spencer left the road years ago, along with WH Smith and Granada TV rentals, also the area in general has lost Carphone Warehouse, Comet, the co-op,and PIzza Hut, furthermore Sommerfield is no replacement for FINE FARE.

Its a joke

Ess

Maurice Marina, Holbrook says...
2:48pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Ahh yes Son Of Meg

Fine Fare Superstores, a veritable haven of shopping brilliance now lost in the sands of time forever!

ferretneck, brighton says...
3:09pm Tue 2 Sep 08

My two children attend St Bartholemew's Primary School and yes, I have witnessed drunken and antisocial behaviour in the nearby vicinity of the the primary school in Ann St, but I have never seen anyone using needles near to the school buildings. There have been often largish gatherings of street drinkers in the little park opposite the church in Ann St. There is a lot of street drinking going on in the outside spaces around the new development opposite Sainsbury's supermarket, but then again, with a litre of own-brand cider being marketed at around the £1 mark, why are people surprised the area is described as rundown and in need of further development.
Ferretneck.

King from Hove, Hove says...
3:38pm Tue 2 Sep 08

I visit a friend near city point.Whatever time or day London Rd is full of street drinkers and obvious druggies.They also congregate near London Rd.car park.
The police and the council ignore it as in their eyes it is contained in a small area.I thought B&H council banned street drinking.Obviously not.It is also a terrible advert for Brighton as day trippers head for home using the London Rd thanking god they dont live here.

bug eye, hove says...
3:45pm Tue 2 Sep 08

until we get visible police on the street who actually take a zero tolerance stance this problem will continue. brighton and hove are known as easy places to live for drunks druggies and benefit scroungers, now we are going to build a permanent site for travellers, erm why have this conservative council just continued with the labour loony lefty policies.

King from Hove, Hove says...
3:58pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Must admit,I am also very suprised at the Tory Council just carrying on with old labour policies.They give the impression of being very weak and frightened of sorting out this city once and for all.Why?You were voted in to sort it all.Instead we have no action but more traffic lights,bus and cycle lanes.A259 disaster.K.A indecision.Street drinking ignored.All they have done is left status quo and increased parking charges and mmm dont know what else.

Andy R, Hove says...
3:59pm Tue 2 Sep 08

As Terry Garoghan would have it (with apologies to Yazoo)

Need to buy food or clothes?
Think you might try London Road?
DON'T GO!!!!!

Frank Booth, Brighton says...
3:59pm Tue 2 Sep 08

The report makes London Road sound like downtown Medellin crossed with Sodom and Gomorrah; I don't recognise it as a place where I do my shopping every week (and where my parents and grandparents shopped).
I've been going to London Road for years and have never once been robbed/threatened/ha
ssled or otherwise inconvenienced. I don't disagree that it could do with a bit of a facelift and that the empty Sainsbury and Co-op stores leave bit of a hole but it's a wonderful trading area: where else in Brighton can you find a Turkish shop, two Polish shops, a French cheese seller and a Thai shop all mingling next to one another?
I suspect that this type of story is more dark propaganda by Tesco trying to pretend that London Rd is some sort of godless hell-hole that can only be saved by the divine intervention of St Terry of Leahy, whereas in fact it's a rather interesting shopping area in need of a little more attention.

Bruce L, Brighton says...
4:27pm Tue 2 Sep 08

disgruntledHove, hove says...
1:36pm Tue 2 Sep 08
Wonders when it was a booming shopping area...?
--------
Well I do remember it as such - but it was a long time ago. Before out-of-town supermarkets and everybody owning cars - it was the only place to shop.

But we are talking late 60s, early 70s - by the time of Thatcher's Britain it was totally devastated !!

son of meg mortimer, Hove says...
4:31pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Frank Booth wrote:
The report makes London Road sound like downtown Medellin crossed with Sodom and Gomorrah; I don't recognise it as a place where I do my shopping every week (and where my parents and grandparents shopped).I've been going to London Road for years and have never once been robbed/threatened/ha
ssled or otherwise inconvenienced. I don't disagree that it could do with a bit of a facelift and that the empty Sainsbury and Co-op stores leave bit of a hole but it's a wonderful trading area: where else in Brighton can you find a Turkish shop, two Polish shops, a French cheese seller and a Thai shop all mingling next to one another? I suspect that this type of story is more dark propaganda by Tesco trying to pretend that London Rd is some sort of godless hell-hole that can only be saved by the divine intervention of St Terry of Leahy, whereas in fact it's a rather interesting shopping area in need of a little more attention.
I salute tesco for wanting to come to London Road. The following have tried and failed:

Sainsburys (although they moved)
WH SMith
M&S
Co-op
Pizza Hut
Dixons
Carphone WAREHOUSE
Stead and Stimpson
Box clever/Granada
Potters


Oh yes these brand names have been replaced by 2 polish shops and a turkish shop. Well Whoopsy doo!

Heike, London Road neighbour says...
4:45pm Tue 2 Sep 08

I agree that it sounds like a propaganda piece, sadly. I, too shop in London Road and the Open Market all the time. I have never been attacked or mugged. (Try smiling and say hello instead of being a grumpy sod.) I had my bike stolen by some bored teenagers- but that can happen anywhere. Actually it is the homeless and vulnerable people who are most prone to become victims of attacks. Here is a plan: Let's re-develop London Road into a true community, with more small affordable food shops that reduce anonymity. I could imagine that Oki-nami would have shut anyway, because they have a swanky new outlet in the middle of town. (Btw- what's he doing parking his car outside his shop? Isn't double yellow lines all the way down there?)

davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
4:46pm Tue 2 Sep 08

london rd lost its appeal years ago. when i visit brighton, i don't go there because there is nothing of interest any more. if big store like co-op cannot make it work, what chance anyone else. what needs to happen is that it gets flattened from cheapside to preston circus, and rebuilt as a proper shopping centre, with all traffic going round c/side and behind by the station. if this was all undercover, then it would attract many people. unfortunately this idea needs the backing of some major retailers for it to work, which means at least one supermarket, and a department store. currently street drinking is banned, but not enforced. needle users have to dispose of their used items somewhere, but maybe the rsch would be more appropriate.

Avangelist, Brighton says...
5:15pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Crikey! for a 'multi culteral city' I have never heard so many beligerant disregards for human existance.

How shocking it is of every single one of you to make such horrific comments about those of us in the world who are not so clean cut and perfect.

Get wrid of needle exchanges? Sure why not, and whilst we are at it, lets get homosexuality back on the criminal bill, and reduce the smoking age back to 12.

The fact that these people are not being helped off the streets and either being rehabilitated - or in some cases it saddens me to say institutionalised is the real problem here.

I work at NEH, and yes it is disgusting, I spend all day listening to 4 drunks shout at each other and kick their dog around but why are they there in the first place? Because the police are not 'policing the area'? Perhaps.

I think that the countries police agenda is all wrong, there is no desire to deal with what they call petty crime, but as we are all taught - from acorns grow great oaks.

mwilks, Brighton says...
7:09pm Tue 2 Sep 08

Brighton and Hove city council are absolutely ****

whatithink, Brighton says...
8:04pm Tue 2 Sep 08

The only answer is what they did in New York about 15 years ago - and cleaned it up. Zero tolerance. If street drinking is banned - enforce it 100%. If it isn't - make it so it is. Put 2 coppers back on the beat there 24hrs a day - and see how long it is before all the scum are driven away.
And for those that think there's nothing wrong down there - trying going there after dark!
It's not rocket science is it?

flowjoe, brighton says...
8:50pm Tue 2 Sep 08

For all you old cynics out there, I actually contacted the Argus as I am trying to set up the traders' association for the retailers/businesses based on the London Road and I certainly hold no love for Tesco and don't welcome their overscale development. So, please take it from me that isn't where the story has emanated from. It truly is a local involvement.
All the traders I have contacted are fully behind a mass approach to the Council and Police to address the drugs/drink problems which, please take it from me, is HUGE. Certainly the area has always been a tad Del Boy, which is fine, but NOT Del Boy with track marks ... oh, and next time you're outside Somerfield of an afternoon, cast your eyes towards the trolleys and the woman who stands there dealing every day with her friends and wonder how she manages to get away with it and may be ask her ... she'll just laugh at you ...

whatithink, Brighton says...
9:05pm Tue 2 Sep 08

davyboy wrote:
london rd lost its appeal years ago. when i visit brighton, i don't go there because there is nothing of interest any more. if big store like co-op cannot make it work, what chance anyone else. what needs to happen is that it gets flattened from cheapside to preston circus, and rebuilt as a proper shopping centre, with all traffic going round c/side and behind by the station. if this was all undercover, then it would attract many people. unfortunately this idea needs the backing of some major retailers for it to work, which means at least one supermarket, and a department store. currently street drinking is banned, but not enforced. needle users have to dispose of their used items somewhere, but maybe the rsch would be more appropriate.
You don't live here. Why don't you go and post in the Abingdon Chronicle or whatever yr local paper is called, and leave this forum to those who actually have to live here.
And you're a bus driver!

the geez, brighton says...
9:07pm Tue 2 Sep 08

as someone who works in london rd from 5.30 in the morning,i believe there are a few problems.drink---too redily available-any shop has been granted a licence-drugs---igno
red,and the people dealing out methadone should make them have it there and then,instead of letting them take it out with them.--the police just move them on---go to providence place-london rd car park(a nightmare from 6 am onwards)bottom of trafalger st(why the pizza place puts up with it i will never know).i know that many of the people who need help(shall we say)just move to the next area.many have come from st james street because they know the police will be less lenient there.i feel so strongly sad for the people who live/work in these areas.we need more proper police-less drinks licences-and drug places (drop in centres)to have more control.

Issac Hunt, Brighton says...
10:09pm Tue 2 Sep 08

What has been said about the drug dealing in the vacinity of Somerfield (and other places) is absolutely true.

We all know about low Police resources etc, but something needs to be done, and very quickly. Zero tolerance over street drinking, beggars, users, dealers, yobs etc, should be applied all over Brighton. If you just do one area, you simply move the problem around. It should be made so unpleasant to be one of these sub scum, that they either leave Brighton altogether or straighten themselves out.

POLICE AND COUNCIL - I hope you are reading this. What do we pay you for

caeos, sussex says...
10:26pm Tue 2 Sep 08

I would love to know where the Parking attendants are that threaten to ticket a car that prevents people shopping for a few moments.

flowjoe - i understood there already was a traders/business group in the area.
Why dont somerfield move the drunks etc on from next to the shopping trolley bay - oh sorry, Somerfield clients?

Who is now moving into the Old Sainsburys store?

If as is described, London road is a no go area, then lets all stop going there and just board it up, no stupid road system, no dangerous junctions, no bus stops or double parked (just popping to the bank) motorists.

bug eye, hove says...
12:17am Wed 3 Sep 08

Brighton Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor says they need to know who where and when to target to effectively use their resources. well what a COP out, just get somebodys butt down there 24/7 to police, and as if you expect us to believe the police have no idea who these scum are, Plllease. no wonder the police have lost our trust and respect. Zero tolerance all over brighton and hove for a period of time to drive out this now seemingly acceptable behaviour.

Issac Hunt, Brighton says...
12:57am Wed 3 Sep 08

bug eye wrote:
Brighton Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor says they need to know who where and when to target to effectively use their resources. well what a COP out, just get somebodys butt down there 24/7 to police, and as if you expect us to believe the police have no idea who these scum are, Plllease. no wonder the police have lost our trust and respect. Zero tolerance all over brighton and hove for a period of time to drive out this now seemingly acceptable behaviour.
Hear hear

Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor - everyone else seems to know when and where to find these scum bags, so im sure it wont be too difficult for you?

I look forward to reading in the Argus that a number of people have been arrested and refused bail for dealing in the vacinity of Somerfields (for starters).

We do pay your wages after all . . .

Jillian, Kingston upon Hull says...
1:20pm Wed 3 Sep 08

We visited London Road in April whilst on a visit to Brighton and I couldn't beleive how much it had changed in 3 years.I am an ex Brightonian and I used to enjoy shopping there because I could get everything I wanted without fear of being mugged.Why did the Co-op have to close down?It is becoming a ghetto and I feel sorry for those that still have to use the area.The Open Market does not have the choice that it used to.The nice gentleman that runs the cafe just outside the market has had requests from customers to open in the evning but he won't take the risk because of the lowlifes that frequent the area.

davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
6:24pm Wed 3 Sep 08

whatithink wrote:
davyboy wrote:
london rd lost its appeal years ago. when i visit brighton, i don't go there because there is nothing of interest any more. if big store like co-op cannot make it work, what chance anyone else. what needs to happen is that it gets flattened from cheapside to preston circus, and rebuilt as a proper shopping centre, with all traffic going round c/side and behind by the station. if this was all undercover, then it would attract many people. unfortunately this idea needs the backing of some major retailers for it to work, which means at least one supermarket, and a department store. currently street drinking is banned, but not enforced. needle users have to dispose of their used items somewhere, but maybe the rsch would be more appropriate.You don't live here. Why don't you go and post in the Abingdon Chronicle or whatever yr local paper is called, and leave this forum to those who actually have to live here.
And you're a bus driver!
ed in brighton for many years and feel qualified to comment. i visit the city many times a year to visit family, and hate london rd. what difference does it make to you, or the article, if i am a bus driver? why do you resent us?

wheresmebikegone, Lancing says...
8:23pm Wed 3 Sep 08

I share an office in Gloucester Street and regurlarly see drug deals outside. I took detailed photos of the transaction including dealer, customer, moped reg being dealt from and even the notepad with a tick list. Told the plod who couldnt of been less interested.

Issac Hunt, Brighton says...
10:37pm Wed 3 Sep 08

wheresmebikegone wrote:
I share an office in Gloucester Street and regurlarly see drug deals outside. I took detailed photos of the transaction including dealer, customer, moped reg being dealt from and even the notepad with a tick list. Told the plod who couldnt of been less interested.
Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor?

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