Police ‘scare tactics'

An MP has accused Sussex Police of deliberately intimidating patrons of a social club.

In a surprise intervention David Lepper, Labour MP for Brighton Pavilion, said the police’s decision to photograph people entering and exiting the Cowley Club in London Road for a meeting about the environment last week appeared designed to scare activists rather than prevent crime.

Mr Lepper has written to Chief Supt Graham Bartlett, the force’s divisional commander for Brighton and Hove, demanding why officers were posted opposite the venue on Friday.

Members of the Cowley Club, which was hosting a meeting of environmental protest group Earth First, were confronted with four uniformed officers outside the Somerfield store, opposite the venue, snapping visitors using a paparazzi-style lens.

Sussex Police has said the photography was part of ongoing police work to gather information to support future operations. But Mr Lepper yesterday dismissed the police’s response and said he wanted an explanation.

He said: “It looks more like an attempt to intimidate people going in and out of the Cowley Club rather than genuine surveillance. To have such a large number of uniformed officers with a camera with a telephoto lens seems like it’s meant to deter people from going in there.

“I accept that police need to gather information but this is a ham-fisted way of doing it.”

Cowley Club member David Biset, who described the club as a cafe and a meeting place for radicals, said the officers outside the building were acting in a “deliberately intimidating manner”.

Their actions were a worrying sign of a wider problem of authoritarian policing, he said. “Avenues of dissent are being closed down and police feel able to treat politics as a police matter.

“There was no suggestion of anything going on outside the building.

“The police have no reason to be there beyond intimidating people. You shouldn’t be put on a database simply for attending a meeting.”

A spokeswoman for Sussex Police said the force had nothing to add to its earlier comment.

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10:15am Thu 12 Feb 09

The Garden Slug says...

Once again, clear evidence that the Police have far too much power in this country already. Anyone else taking photos of completely innocent members of the public would have been asked to move on or be arrested for breach of the peace.

I am sure the fans of a Police state who use this site (NO way seriously and Davyboy) will disagree, but hey! why dont they go live in Zimbzbwe.

Finally, sad to see David Lepper has only just discovered his backbone after 11 years of being a silent MP, never seen or heard of, I am sure the good people of Brighton Pavilion WILL remember this come 2010 election
Once again, clear evidence that the Police have far too much power in this country already. Anyone else taking photos of completely innocent members of the public would have been asked to move on or be arrested for breach of the peace. I am sure the fans of a Police state who use this site (NO way seriously and Davyboy) will disagree, but hey! why dont they go live in Zimbzbwe. Finally, sad to see David Lepper has only just discovered his backbone after 11 years of being a silent MP, never seen or heard of, I am sure the good people of Brighton Pavilion WILL remember this come 2010 election The Garden Slug

10:19am Thu 12 Feb 09

bibble says...

Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting?

The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted.
Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted. bibble

10:35am Thu 12 Feb 09

tilburyre says...

We are a fledgling police state and will become a fully-grown one unless the media start alerting the masses to the fact. But the media are strangely silent which leads to suspicions of censorship.

The police don't care what we think.

They see themselves as being the law so it doesn't matter what the public think of them. When my father worked at Scotland Yard 50 years ago the police saw themselves as being there to uphold the law. Now they think they are the law. There is a very big difference.

Your local bobby (if you are lucky enough to have one) may not be like this but it is the attitude of the senior officers that matters - not individual constables.

We need to elect our top police officers as is done in a number of other countries.
We are a fledgling police state and will become a fully-grown one unless the media start alerting the masses to the fact. But the media are strangely silent which leads to suspicions of censorship. The police don't care what we think. They see themselves as being the law so it doesn't matter what the public think of them. When my father worked at Scotland Yard 50 years ago the police saw themselves as being there to uphold the law. Now they think they are the law. There is a very big difference. Your local bobby (if you are lucky enough to have one) may not be like this but it is the attitude of the senior officers that matters - not individual constables. We need to elect our top police officers as is done in a number of other countries. tilburyre

11:12am Thu 12 Feb 09

Dickens Cider says...

Didn't they have any proper work to do?
Didn't they have any proper work to do? Dickens Cider

11:14am Thu 12 Feb 09

NoWaySeriously says...

bibble wrote:
Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting?

The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted.
But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...
[quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted. [/p][/quote]But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway... NoWaySeriously

11:35am Thu 12 Feb 09

Mary Hinge says...

NoWaySeriously wrote:
bibble wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted.
But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...
This sort of comment sounds good as a soundbite until suddenly you find yourself at the end of a "misunderstanding" - e.g. if someone with a vendetta against you rang up the police and deliberately accused you of something you didn't do (which seems to be becoming more and more the case in this Stasi-like society).

Then you'll be sorry, mark my words.
[quote][p][bold]NoWaySeriously[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted. [/p][/quote]But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...[/p][/quote]This sort of comment sounds good as a soundbite until suddenly you find yourself at the end of a "misunderstanding" - e.g. if someone with a vendetta against you rang up the police and deliberately accused you of something you didn't do (which seems to be becoming more and more the case in this Stasi-like society). Then you'll be sorry, mark my words. Mary Hinge

11:36am Thu 12 Feb 09

Osama bin there says...

But I don't want to be photographed by anyone whilst I'm going about my lawful business. Normally you might complain to the police.... but oh - it's the police that are doing the photographing. So where do you go?
I'm all for the police photographing and videoing illegal demos like the Smash EDO lot, but this was not an illegal gathering.
Who decided it was was neccessary and why - that's what I would like to know Mr Lepper.
But I don't want to be photographed by anyone whilst I'm going about my lawful business. Normally you might complain to the police.... but oh - it's the police that are doing the photographing. So where do you go? I'm all for the police photographing and videoing illegal demos like the Smash EDO lot, but this was not an illegal gathering. Who decided it was was neccessary and why - that's what I would like to know Mr Lepper. Osama bin there

12:05pm Thu 12 Feb 09

bibble says...

NoWaySeriously wrote:
bibble wrote:
Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting?

The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted.
But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...
I guess you've never heard of wrongful convictions...
[quote][p][bold]NoWaySeriously[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted. [/p][/quote]But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...[/p][/quote]I guess you've never heard of wrongful convictions... bibble

12:07pm Thu 12 Feb 09

bibble says...

Don't think you will get any useful answers from the police about this. Nor from their friends in the police authority.

The police do more or less as they please. They have long forgotten that they are part of the society which they police, instead they want to be the lords and us the serfs.
Don't think you will get any useful answers from the police about this. Nor from their friends in the police authority. The police do more or less as they please. They have long forgotten that they are part of the society which they police, instead they want to be the lords and us the serfs. bibble

12:13pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Ronald says...

Just shows how political the police service has become! They have to swear an oath on entry to uphold the law 'without fear or favour'. As the tools of the New labour KGB, they must be in breach of thet oath!
Just shows how political the police service has become! They have to swear an oath on entry to uphold the law 'without fear or favour'. As the tools of the New labour KGB, they must be in breach of thet oath! Ronald

12:22pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Scoomer says...

NoWaySeriously wrote:
bibble wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted.
But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...
In that case, I assume you'd have no objection to having a video camera installed in every single room in your house?
[quote][p][bold]NoWaySeriously[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: Why do the police need to "gather information" on a legitimate meeting? The police have turned themselves into political police, something like the Stasi or the KGB. Don't think because you are law-abiding you will not be targetted. [/p][/quote]But if you're law-abiding, you've got nothing to hide anyway...[/p][/quote]In that case, I assume you'd have no objection to having a video camera installed in every single room in your house? Scoomer

12:37pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Osama bin there says...

bibble wrote:
Don't think you will get any useful answers from the police about this. Nor from their friends in the police authority. The police do more or less as they please. They have long forgotten that they are part of the society which they police, instead they want to be the lords and us the serfs.
We won't get any useful answers from you Babble, that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: Don't think you will get any useful answers from the police about this. Nor from their friends in the police authority. The police do more or less as they please. They have long forgotten that they are part of the society which they police, instead they want to be the lords and us the serfs.[/p][/quote]We won't get any useful answers from you Babble, that's for sure. Osama bin there

1:16pm Thu 12 Feb 09

g1mp says...

Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.
Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces. g1mp

1:28pm Thu 12 Feb 09

wellsyuk says...

I think it's admirable of Mr Lepper actually, can't see many other MP's bringing this up. It's intimidation indeed.
I think it's admirable of Mr Lepper actually, can't see many other MP's bringing this up. It's intimidation indeed. wellsyuk

1:50pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Scoomer says...

g1mp wrote:
Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.
If it's the usual Smash EDO lot, the police probably already have more footage and photos than they know what to do with. This smacks of intimidating possible newcomers away from a perfectly legitimate meeting.
[quote][p][bold]g1mp[/bold] wrote: Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.[/p][/quote]If it's the usual Smash EDO lot, the police probably already have more footage and photos than they know what to do with. This smacks of intimidating possible newcomers away from a perfectly legitimate meeting. Scoomer

2:19pm Thu 12 Feb 09

bibble says...

g1mp wrote:
Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.
Any evidence to support that claim? Besides, even if that is the case, there is nothing illegal about attending a meeting. At least not yet.
[quote][p][bold]g1mp[/bold] wrote: Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.[/p][/quote]Any evidence to support that claim? Besides, even if that is the case, there is nothing illegal about attending a meeting. At least not yet. bibble

2:48pm Thu 12 Feb 09

feline1 says...

Strangely, if one ever phones the police to ask them to investigate a crime, you'll invariably be told they're "too busy"....
Maybe if they stopped behaving like the Stasi they'd have a bit more time for actually stopping stabbing, burglaries, bike thefts and suchlike...
Strangely, if one ever phones the police to ask them to investigate a crime, you'll invariably be told they're "too busy".... Maybe if they stopped behaving like the Stasi they'd have a bit more time for actually stopping stabbing, burglaries, bike thefts and suchlike... feline1

2:48pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Charlie C says...

According to the Smash edo website, they hold meetings at the Cowley Club.

According to the Smash edo website, they hold meetings at the Cowley Club. Charlie C

3:12pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Dickens Cider says...

So what?

It's still a free country and people can go for meetings in a club if they want. They should be able to do so without intimidation from our lovely boys in blue, too.

Unless they were involved in anything illegal at the time, why should they be photographed?
So what? It's still a free country and people can go for meetings in a club if they want. They should be able to do so without intimidation from our lovely boys in blue, too. Unless they were involved in anything illegal at the time, why should they be photographed? Dickens Cider

3:56pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Albert Chisholm says...

Well Well Well!

I could do with a paparazzi style camera & lens for when i`m keeping an eye on dodgy lock ups




JONES!
Well Well Well! I could do with a paparazzi style camera & lens for when i`m keeping an eye on dodgy lock ups JONES! Albert Chisholm

5:16pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Voice of the silent Majority says...

They are lucky they went unarmed and naked, Sussex Police would have shot them....
They are lucky they went unarmed and naked, Sussex Police would have shot them.... Voice of the silent Majority

5:17pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Voice of the silent Majority says...

Voice of the silent Majority wrote:
They are lucky they went unarmed and naked, Sussex Police would have shot them....
There sould have been a "NEVER" in there
[quote][p][bold]Voice of the silent Majority[/bold] wrote: They are lucky they went unarmed and naked, Sussex Police would have shot them....[/p][/quote]There sould have been a "NEVER" in there Voice of the silent Majority

6:35pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Acheron says...

I suspect that all our e-mail addresses will have been passed onto the police for daring to raise our voices on this forum!
I suspect that all our e-mail addresses will have been passed onto the police for daring to raise our voices on this forum! Acheron

6:42pm Thu 12 Feb 09

Kickboxer says...

Maybe the police think it is another cannabis cafe like the one in lancing is alleged to be.
Maybe the police think it is another cannabis cafe like the one in lancing is alleged to be. Kickboxer

7:27pm Thu 12 Feb 09

cheezburger says...

Bunch of bullies. If they knew they were being photographed i bet they wouldn't be quiet about it.
Bunch of bullies. If they knew they were being photographed i bet they wouldn't be quiet about it. cheezburger

8:11pm Thu 12 Feb 09

TheInsider says...

Sussex Police are an absolute disgrace for doing this and the Government should intervene immediately.
The Chief Constable should be held to account for this .
The public are absolutely sick of funding a force which is not dealing with crime, shoots people dead in their own beds when they could have waited for the chap to pop out to buy fags before arresting him and in addition to this, we have read of officers having se* on duty and fiddling old ladies out of their money.
This is the final straw. I have always supported the police as having a difficult job to do, but in the past ten years Sussex Police have failed to execute their duty and failed to uphold professional standards.
This is a breach of privacy and human rights and instead of photographing a load of hippies, get back onto the streets and do some basic policing instead of pretending you are in an episode of Prime Suspect.
Idiots.

Sussex Police are an absolute disgrace for doing this and the Government should intervene immediately. The Chief Constable should be held to account for this . The public are absolutely sick of funding a force which is not dealing with crime, shoots people dead in their own beds when they could have waited for the chap to pop out to buy fags before arresting him and in addition to this, we have read of officers having se* on duty and fiddling old ladies out of their money. This is the final straw. I have always supported the police as having a difficult job to do, but in the past ten years Sussex Police have failed to execute their duty and failed to uphold professional standards. This is a breach of privacy and human rights and instead of photographing a load of hippies, get back onto the streets and do some basic policing instead of pretending you are in an episode of Prime Suspect. Idiots. TheInsider

10:48pm Thu 12 Feb 09

B G Gruff says...

Well done Argus - this is an actual story! If they wanted to photograph people at smash EDO rallies, they can do it there, and I believe they are not too happy when photographed in return by the protesters. 4 officers as well, I guess london road is a crime free idyll and there was nothing better for them to do. Another example of the government preferring security over the freedom they say they are protecting.
Well done Argus - this is an actual story! If they wanted to photograph people at smash EDO rallies, they can do it there, and I believe they are not too happy when photographed in return by the protesters. 4 officers as well, I guess london road is a crime free idyll and there was nothing better for them to do. Another example of the government preferring security over the freedom they say they are protecting. B G Gruff

11:24pm Thu 12 Feb 09

getreal says...

g1mp wrote:
Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.
Gathering evidence and intelligence in regard to the criminal damage caused by the scum who visited the business park the other week possibly. Time for the hippy lefties who go to the Cowley to get in the real world and get real jobs.
[quote][p][bold]g1mp[/bold] wrote: Most of the people at the Cowley Club will be involved in the next SmashEDO protest, so I think its beneficial for the police to know the faces.[/p][/quote]Gathering evidence and intelligence in regard to the criminal damage caused by the scum who visited the business park the other week possibly. Time for the hippy lefties who go to the Cowley to get in the real world and get real jobs. getreal

1:40am Fri 13 Feb 09

chris elmes says...

,There will be no government intervention against the police on this issue. It must be realised that the police have been politicised via the association of chief police officers. It should be clearly understood that ACPO are not a professional association/trade union, this organization(in my opinion)is in fact an ultra authoritarian/totali
tarian political pressure group who act in collusion with that pernicious band of rootless intellectuals malcontents and vile traitors that are NuLabour. Since the BBC was so effecively silenced almost all of the media will not dare to engage in active opposition to either the government or the police.the Murdock media are not an issue since(again in my opinion)there seems to be an understanding between Rupert Murdock and the Labour government.ACPO is in essence acting as a guild of mercenaries on Labours behalf.the police are now nothing more than a band of sell-swords and the moral integrity and pride in service to this nation and its people are greatly diminished.The halcyon days of Dixon of dock green are long since gone and we are the poorer for it. This intrusion into our privacy and freedom will only esculate,the great charter of Runnymede has been torn to shreds and lies trampled in the dirt along with the bill of rights. The mother of parliaments and a thousand years of hard won freedoms are now falling to tyrrany and there seems little we can do. Welcome to NuLabours orwellian nightmare.

QUIS CUSTODIET IPSO CUSTODES
,There will be no government intervention against the police on this issue. It must be realised that the police have been politicised via the association of chief police officers. It should be clearly understood that ACPO are not a professional association/trade union, this organization(in my opinion)is in fact an ultra authoritarian/totali tarian political pressure group who act in collusion with that pernicious band of rootless intellectuals malcontents and vile traitors that are NuLabour. Since the BBC was so effecively silenced almost all of the media will not dare to engage in active opposition to either the government or the police.the Murdock media are not an issue since(again in my opinion)there seems to be an understanding between Rupert Murdock and the Labour government.ACPO is in essence acting as a guild of mercenaries on Labours behalf.the police are now nothing more than a band of sell-swords and the moral integrity and pride in service to this nation and its people are greatly diminished.The halcyon days of Dixon of dock green are long since gone and we are the poorer for it. This intrusion into our privacy and freedom will only esculate,the great charter of Runnymede has been torn to shreds and lies trampled in the dirt along with the bill of rights. The mother of parliaments and a thousand years of hard won freedoms are now falling to tyrrany and there seems little we can do. Welcome to NuLabours orwellian nightmare. QUIS CUSTODIET IPSO CUSTODES chris elmes

9:50am Fri 13 Feb 09

Carl Bugenhagen says...

A thousand years of freedoms? Hmm. But what little we have is certainly going down the pan. This is very serious, if you complain to the police, they will just hole-punch your complaint and put it in your file now. The Police are now fingerprinting drivers too. We are not very far away from hooking up face recognition software to CCTV, the Nit Nurse will be putting GPS implants in our kids next. This is becoming an Orwellian nightmare.

What in the name of god do they think they are doing? Under Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 they can arrest you for photographing them in return.

Please keep on this story Argus..


A thousand years of freedoms? Hmm. But what little we have is certainly going down the pan. This is very serious, if you complain to the police, they will just hole-punch your complaint and put it in your file now. The Police are now fingerprinting drivers too. We are not very far away from hooking up face recognition software to CCTV, the Nit Nurse will be putting GPS implants in our kids next. This is becoming an Orwellian nightmare. What in the name of god do they think they are doing? Under Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 they can arrest you for photographing them in return. Please keep on this story Argus.. Carl Bugenhagen

12:05pm Fri 13 Feb 09

chris elmes says...

Carl Bugenhagen wrote:
A thousand years of freedoms? Hmm. But what little we have is certainly going down the pan. This is very serious, if you complain to the police, they will just hole-punch your complaint and put it in your file now. The Police are now fingerprinting drivers too. We are not very far away from hooking up face recognition software to CCTV, the Nit Nurse will be putting GPS implants in our kids next. This is becoming an Orwellian nightmare.

What in the name of god do they think they are doing? Under Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 they can arrest you for photographing them in return.

Please keep on this story Argus..


OK! I confess you've caught me out with a generalization. Its not a thousand years,it is in fact seven hundred and ninety six years since Magna Carta .
SORRY !!!!!!

"choose THE LESSER EVIL"
de officis: Marcus Tullius Cicero

QUIS CUSTODIET IPSO CUSTODES
[quote][p][bold]Carl Bugenhagen[/bold] wrote: A thousand years of freedoms? Hmm. But what little we have is certainly going down the pan. This is very serious, if you complain to the police, they will just hole-punch your complaint and put it in your file now. The Police are now fingerprinting drivers too. We are not very far away from hooking up face recognition software to CCTV, the Nit Nurse will be putting GPS implants in our kids next. This is becoming an Orwellian nightmare. What in the name of god do they think they are doing? Under Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 they can arrest you for photographing them in return. Please keep on this story Argus.. [/p][/quote]OK! I confess you've caught me out with a generalization. Its not a thousand years,it is in fact seven hundred and ninety six years since Magna Carta . SORRY !!!!!! "choose THE LESSER EVIL" de officis: Marcus Tullius Cicero QUIS CUSTODIET IPSO CUSTODES chris elmes

12:18pm Fri 13 Feb 09

chris elmes says...

WHOOPS! ANOTHER SNAFU!!!!! should have been seven hundred and ninety FOUR years.error due to a sudden episode of short term memory loss !

SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOPS! ANOTHER SNAFU!!!!! should have been seven hundred and ninety FOUR years.error due to a sudden episode of short term memory loss ! SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!! chris elmes

12:55pm Fri 13 Feb 09

puddingandpi says...

I wondered what they were doing.

Did anyone else notice that it was the fat, middle-aged coppers who got landed with job of hanging around in the cold?
I wondered what they were doing. Did anyone else notice that it was the fat, middle-aged coppers who got landed with job of hanging around in the cold? puddingandpi

2:08pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Carl Bugenhagen says...

Chris, I'd say the Leveller's charter was the first chance we had of building real freedom, and it didn't happen. All we have is a largely illusory sense we can change things - like stopping four Policemen from photographing members of the public going about their their own business. Our only real weapon now is embarrassment, our only chance to shame the Chief Constable into backing away from these demonic tactics, so we need our local papers to get on our side and keep at them. I agree with all the comments about the authoritarianism of New Labour, but the Police don't *have* to use these powers, they just can't bl**dy resist it..
Chris, I'd say the Leveller's charter was the first chance we had of building real freedom, and it didn't happen. All we have is a largely illusory sense we can change things - like stopping four Policemen from photographing members of the public going about their their own business. Our only real weapon now is embarrassment, our only chance to shame the Chief Constable into backing away from these demonic tactics, so we need our local papers to get on our side and keep at them. I agree with all the comments about the authoritarianism of New Labour, but the Police don't *have* to use these powers, they just can't bl**dy resist it.. Carl Bugenhagen

8:09pm Fri 13 Feb 09

TheInsider says...

The two shocking points of this action is first, they took photos of people going about ordinary business, second, they did this while crimes and acts of anti-social behaviour were probably being committed under their noses.
You have to begin to question the calibre of the people being employed at the higher levels of the service who think this is acceptable.
Do you recall the suicide of the chief constable of Manchester police last year who had spent his career philandering and cheating with so many women I am surprised he did a day's work.
Then read the inquiry/inquest into the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes and you will begin to wonder what the hell is going on with the police.
The crime here is the criminal behaviour of the police.


The two shocking points of this action is first, they took photos of people going about ordinary business, second, they did this while crimes and acts of anti-social behaviour were probably being committed under their noses. You have to begin to question the calibre of the people being employed at the higher levels of the service who think this is acceptable. Do you recall the suicide of the chief constable of Manchester police last year who had spent his career philandering and cheating with so many women I am surprised he did a day's work. Then read the inquiry/inquest into the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes and you will begin to wonder what the hell is going on with the police. The crime here is the criminal behaviour of the police. TheInsider

12:50pm Sat 14 Feb 09

karabuni says...

Photographing people going into meetings has two objects:
People who are intimidated by the possibility of being photographed may not even actually go into the meeting, or attend later demonstrations.
People who attend a meeting and are then subsequently arrested at a demonstration can then be charged with "conspiracy" which can be alleged to have taken place at the earlier meeting.
Police in London regularly use this tactic and maintain a "database" of people who regularly attend demonstrations (this has been admitted in court).
On one occasion, police who were presumably trying to achieve both objects, photographed people going into a building where a meeting about a demonstration at the London Arms "Fair" was being held. However, as this meeting was held in a room at the University of London Students' Union, there was no way that they could have known whether people entering the building were going in to attend the meeting or buy cheap beer.
The website "mylondondiary.co.uk
" frequently has pictures showing how many police can be assembled for mostly peaceful demonstrations.
Photographing people going into meetings has two objects: People who are intimidated by the possibility of being photographed may not even actually go into the meeting, or attend later demonstrations. People who attend a meeting and are then subsequently arrested at a demonstration can then be charged with "conspiracy" which can be alleged to have taken place at the earlier meeting. Police in London regularly use this tactic and maintain a "database" of people who regularly attend demonstrations (this has been admitted in court). On one occasion, police who were presumably trying to achieve both objects, photographed people going into a building where a meeting about a demonstration at the London Arms "Fair" was being held. However, as this meeting was held in a room at the University of London Students' Union, there was no way that they could have known whether people entering the building were going in to attend the meeting or buy cheap beer. The website "mylondondiary.co.uk " frequently has pictures showing how many police can be assembled for mostly peaceful demonstrations. karabuni

9:45pm Sat 14 Feb 09

TheInsider says...

More than 20 years ago I was photographed by "Special Branch" while attending the screening of a documentary that Margaret Thatcher had banned about Spy Satellites.
I was not political or an anarchist, just interested in freedom of speech and what the documentary was about.
I have since had the benefit of reaching a reasonably influential position in my career and with more life experience, now understand that this type of action by the police does nothing more than mobilise action against Britain, the police and any Government, whatever its politics. It does not encourage support.
We are not a Nazi state or communist regime and this behaviour does nothing except erode public confidence in the police and Government's ability.
While these armchair coppers are photographing people, Lithuanian Murderers are walking into the UK and killing harmless people- see today's news.
However, they just walk on in, un-photographed, unchallenged, free to kill when their previous records are known.
The police really are out of touch with what is going on in the world and the UK and I am not sure the Government can help them.
If the EDO protesters are on the march, get EDO to spend their profits making their site secure, not waste public money policing a profit making organisation.
To give you an example of public opinion against the police for this kind of behaviour, my parents are elderly and non-political. Their parents fought in the First and Second World Wars and they are appalled by the police and this intrusion into what they say would have been legitimate opposition 50 years ago.

More than 20 years ago I was photographed by "Special Branch" while attending the screening of a documentary that Margaret Thatcher had banned about Spy Satellites. I was not political or an anarchist, just interested in freedom of speech and what the documentary was about. I have since had the benefit of reaching a reasonably influential position in my career and with more life experience, now understand that this type of action by the police does nothing more than mobilise action against Britain, the police and any Government, whatever its politics. It does not encourage support. We are not a Nazi state or communist regime and this behaviour does nothing except erode public confidence in the police and Government's ability. While these armchair coppers are photographing people, Lithuanian Murderers are walking into the UK and killing harmless people- see today's news. However, they just walk on in, un-photographed, unchallenged, free to kill when their previous records are known. The police really are out of touch with what is going on in the world and the UK and I am not sure the Government can help them. If the EDO protesters are on the march, get EDO to spend their profits making their site secure, not waste public money policing a profit making organisation. To give you an example of public opinion against the police for this kind of behaviour, my parents are elderly and non-political. Their parents fought in the First and Second World Wars and they are appalled by the police and this intrusion into what they say would have been legitimate opposition 50 years ago. TheInsider

12:26pm Mon 16 Feb 09

geewhizz says...

As of today, 16th February 09 - it is now Illegal for us the public to photograph the police. Interests me how this legisilation was so easily brought it. And I wonder how many of us know about it, let alone agree with it.
GW
As of today, 16th February 09 - it is now Illegal for us the public to photograph the police. Interests me how this legisilation was so easily brought it. And I wonder how many of us know about it, let alone agree with it. GW geewhizz

11:12pm Tue 17 Feb 09

greeg says...

geewhizz wrote:
As of today, 16th February 09 - it is now Illegal for us the public to photograph the police. Interests me how this legisilation was so easily brought it. And I wonder how many of us know about it, let alone agree with it. GW
Yep,try taking a few snaps of our boys in blue,see how far you get.Before you get your lens cap off you'll be shouting,what you arresting me for!
[quote][p][bold]geewhizz[/bold] wrote: As of today, 16th February 09 - it is now Illegal for us the public to photograph the police. Interests me how this legisilation was so easily brought it. And I wonder how many of us know about it, let alone agree with it. GW[/p][/quote]Yep,try taking a few snaps of our boys in blue,see how far you get.Before you get your lens cap off you'll be shouting,what you arresting me for! greeg
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