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An emergency plan has been drawn up to try to save a landmark comedy venue from closure after it revealed it was struggling with massive debts.

Accountants for Komedia, in Brighton, have written to 77 firms and organisations it owes a combined £319,944 to, in an attempt to negotiate a settlement to keep it open.

Community leaders yesterday described the club as a crucial part of the city which needed to be saved at all costs.

The Gardner Street venue has hosted dozens of top music and comedy acts including Arctic Monkeys, Graham Norton, The Mighty Boosh, Johnny Vegas and Alistair McGowan and has been hailed as a major factor in the regeneration of the North Laine area.

Komedia’s directors will meet its creditors in a fortnight to try to broker a deal.

They are offering to pay 33p for every pound they owe over a three-year period. For the deal to go ahead they need agreements from debtors who are due a combined 75% of the total.

If the terms are not accepted Komedia could be forced into liquidation.

Among debtors are dozens of local firms including tradesmen, food and drink suppliers, arts groups, magazines and community newsletters which carried adverts for the venue.

Richard Daws, one of Komedia’s six directors, said: “It is important for us to make clear we are still trading as usual, we are busier than ever and selling out most events. We have just been named the best comedy venue in the South for the seventh year running. We are continuing to operate but we are trying to establish a way we can move forward as a business.”

He said Komedia had been plunged into crisis by the abrupt withdrawal of a £150,000-a year Arts Council grant last April.

The cut left the venue with difficulty meeting its overheads at a time when it was dealing with the cost of a £1 million revamp and extension which Mr Daws said the Arts Council had encouraged.

Mr Daws said: “We accept we may have been too reliant on the grant money. We have now made cuts to senior staff and have worked out a viable business plan which has been agreed with our bank.”

At the time of the funding cut a spokeswoman for Arts Council England South East said the Komedia had not been “fulfilling its role as an Arts Council regularly funded organisation.”

Businesses owed money spoke of their disappointment at how they had been treated by an organisation they had trusted. However, several said they would not like to see Komedia go under. One, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “There’s a lot of goodwill towards the place but it will be difficult for people to trust them after this. A lot of these debts are owed to small firms who will really feel the impact.”

Simon Fanshawe, the chairman of Brighton and Hove’s Economic Partnership, said action needed to be taken to stabilise the club.

He said: "This is a crucial business to Brighton and Hove. It's a key part of the cultural offer and it's a key part of North Laine, which is one of the city's main draws.

"It's very important that we do everything we can to make sure they have access to credit and to give them help in everyway we can to get their business model working properly."

He was backed by Ian Davey, who represents North Laine on Brighton and Hove City Council, who said: "Komedia is a much loved venue which makes an invaluable contribution to the city and has a much need civilising impact on the night time economy."

Before the slump into debt Komedia had been hailed as one of the city's best success stories. The club had risen from being run in a small premises in Manchester Street in Kemp Town into its current site and opened a second branch in Bath last November.

Mr Daws said the Brighton and Bath venues were separate operations and the problems would not affect the new site.

andy.chiles@theargus.co.uk

Comments(41)

dr-dougal says...
10:39pm Sun 8 Mar 09

Outrage! 2 poss people to blame - lnandlords overcharging for rent or Komedia’s directors not knowing whats they are doing. There is no credit crunch in KOM- a sell out Thurs Fri Sat and Sun. Lowering the prices and begging for a contribution to save the club when people are p****** is a much better way of ensuring safety. Komedia lottery? I would part with a £1.

Living in the real world says...
10:47pm Sun 8 Mar 09

It does not matter how wanted it is by the establishment, it is local people who have had thier money STOLEN by them.
A letter offering 33p in the pound over three years or nothing is theft anyway you look at it. People need to learn to budget and not dump on loacl people all the time

The Garden Slug says...
10:52pm Sun 8 Mar 09

When they stop booking 'so called' comedians such as Jenny Eclair !!!!!!

Maybe their fortunes will improve

Rocker says...
10:57pm Sun 8 Mar 09

This place is a business venture....run for profit by those who sit as directors.They pull the money out when the good times roll,let them fall if they are greedy or have messed up.

No way should they only pay one third of their debts.Its bad management all the way.

Let it fold...someone will buy in,resurrect the place and turn a profit.

No-one should lose out because the directors have failed in their job.

Abrightonian says...
11:09pm Sun 8 Mar 09

I like Komedia and attend shows at least twice a month. But where is the truth about the business?

More than 300k debt and yet the withdrawl of a 150k grant is to blame?

The maths don't work, do they? The place is evidently unprofitable and accumulating debt. The withdrawl of the grant has simply put that into focus.

I notice that no comment has been made regarding the earnings of directors, owners and others. Or are they unpaid? If so, they should be shouting about that!

jooj says...
11:16pm Sun 8 Mar 09

And what about Komedia Bath?

Is this part of the concerns?

Is it being treated as a separate entity? Presumably it is, as no mention of it?

If Komedia lost the arts Grant last April why did they sign a lease on a new startup in June? Presumably funded by Brighton money?

Pebbles says...
11:17pm Sun 8 Mar 09

Of course it is a shame when any business looks as if it is going to close down. However, that is what it is, a business and not a charity.

I feel very sorry for those who are owed money as they are tryng to run their own businesses too.

If the Komedia is that popular it should be run on a proper business level and not be relaint on grants.

Days of grants should now be long gone. Only viable. profitable ventures should be permitted.

Everyone in business has got to tighten their belts and watch the credit levels that they allow to grow.

Its a different world now.

Abrightonian says...
11:48pm Sun 8 Mar 09

@pebbles.

Quite. has the Komedia been cutting costs or is it just looking for a hand out? It's either a business, or not. They charge the same for drinks as a pub would, after all.

bibble says...
12:12am Mon 9 Mar 09

I wonder if Richard Daws and the other directors are prepared to accept 33p in the pound of their salaries for the next three years.

I hope the creditors refuse. Somebody will buy up the remains, or maybe the creditors will take it over.

If this is a commercial operation it shouldn't rely on grants from the tax payer to stay open.

IKDRF says...
12:14am Mon 9 Mar 09

The Garden Slug wrote:
When they stop booking 'so called' comedians such as Jenny Eclair !!!!!! Maybe their fortunes will improve
You mean the show hosting, perrier award winning,west end stage performer who was recently voted amongst the best commediennes of all time on channel 4 who has had sell outs at the komedia.
You really know your stuff don't you.....

Abrightonian says...
12:36am Mon 9 Mar 09

IKDRF: Ok, so Eclair has fans and plaudits. But seeing as the place is running at a significant loss, then perhaps the current programming decisions aren't working?

Cooldude says...
6:28am Mon 9 Mar 09

It can easily turn a huge profit and not rely on state handouts. It's not a bank after all.

To stop the Komedia being yet another toxic asset, let it become a lap dancing club. But make it equal rights; with half the dancers male.

ABC1 says...
7:59am Mon 9 Mar 09

Whichever way you look at it, the suppliers that have funded this failing venture will be the ones to suffer. The choice is stark - accept reduced payment or lose everything.

If I were a supplier with enough ££ in the bank, I'd be tempted to dig my heels in on principle. I suspect these little local suppliers will have to accept or go down themselves. Hence if I'm going down, I'd take the Komedia with me.

BTW, what happened to proper management supervision? Any reasonably well-run business would have known long before now that it couldn't pay its debts, and should have sorted it out. Where's the downside for the people who "managed" the Komedia? If suppliers accept the 33p they will have got away scot free. I was under the impression that it was illegal to trade whilst technically insolvent.

Fercri Sakes says...
8:42am Mon 9 Mar 09

I think the clue is in the second venue in Bristol. I know he says the two places are separate operations but somebody took their eye off the ball. Hpw many other places have met difficulty due to recent over-expansion when the banks were just giving money away?

Personally I can't stand the Komedia now and I can't believe they're losing money. It must be going up somebody's nose! I bet the directors have nice big houses. Can they not sell them to pay off their debters?

I went to the comedy club 5 years ago and had a great time. I went last year and they had moved three times as many tables in so we were all packed in like sardines. I left after the first act. It used to be a good place but something bad has happened to it over the last four years. Who's responsible?

PB says...
8:44am Mon 9 Mar 09

There used to be regular tea dances on Sunday afternoons at The Komedia. Always sold out. The Komedia stopped them and replaced them with stand up comedy. Reason: the dancers didn't spend enough at the bar.

I say bring back the Jubilee Market.

Osama bin there says...
9:27am Mon 9 Mar 09

I have been to the Komedia in 2 capacities - as a member of the audience and also as a technician / musician with a couple of different theatre shows.
The experiences were very different. As an audience member I like the new, improved venue a great deal. Brighton needs somewhere like this, and they put on a varied programme of entertainment.
However, as a performer it's very different. They don't pay as much as other venues, and they try to charge for every little extra you need that is normally supplied free of charge in every other venue. There is a penny pinching meanness in the way they deal with touring companies. I expect that doesn't happen to acts higher up the pecking order - but who knows?
I was instrumental in putting on show there ten years ago, and found them amateur in the extreme to deal with. As far as I know the same people are in charge.
No one has mentioned that they have a large presence at the Edinburgh Festival, and knowing Edinburgh I would guess that they don't make money doing it - but I may be wrong.
Lastly, the recent revamp must have cost a lot of money. Even with the grant in place I bet they overstretched themselves.
Somebody made the point about asking what the directors are still paying themselves. That would be interesting to know.
Having said all of this, it would be a shame if the venue was forced to close. There is nothing like it in Brighton, and it fulfils a real need.
It's not true to say that it doesn't do good business - it does, and is frequently at capacity. But that may not be enough, sadly.

BBBrighton says...
9:37am Mon 9 Mar 09

how do you become a community leader?

Bennn says...
9:44am Mon 9 Mar 09

It would be absolutely devastating for the North Laine area if Komedia had to close. The reason why people come to Brighton, and even more so to the North Laines, is because of places like Komedia that you don’t find anywhere else. We don’t what great venues like Komedia closing down and being replaced by yet another Starbucks. I think the council should step in and help, otherwise we may lose Komedia forever.
I think the Directors have a lot to explain, but they are right on one point: the place is very busy despite the recession, which proves it is a popular venue people like and are attached to. If Komedia goes, so does a part of Brighton’s identity.

The Garden Slug says...
9:58am Mon 9 Mar 09

IKDRF wrote:
The Garden Slug wrote: When they stop booking 'so called' comedians such as Jenny Eclair !!!!!! Maybe their fortunes will improve
You mean the show hosting, perrier award winning,west end stage performer who was recently voted amongst the best commediennes of all time on channel 4 who has had sell outs at the komedia. You really know your stuff don't you.....
Maybe , but shes is just not funny - at all - period

Osama bin there says...
10:06am Mon 9 Mar 09

The Garden Slug wrote:
IKDRF wrote:
The Garden Slug wrote: When they stop booking 'so called' comedians such as Jenny Eclair !!!!!! Maybe their fortunes will improve
You mean the show hosting, perrier award winning,west end stage performer who was recently voted amongst the best commediennes of all time on channel 4 who has had sell outs at the komedia. You really know your stuff don't you.....
Maybe , but shes is just not funny - at all - period
I don't think she's funny, either, but she sells out - so you can't blame Komedia for booking her.
The attendances are not the problem. There's something going on 'higher up' that will all come out in the wash - guaranteed.

ABC1 says...
10:16am Mon 9 Mar 09

The only equation here is income vs. outgoings. Either the club needs to cut its cloth to suit its income, or raise more revenue to cover its debts. If it can't do either of these things, it's dead in the water.

The taxpayer shouldn't have to bail this out with any council money. In any case, it would set a dangerous precedent for any failing co. Places of entertainment come and go all the time.

If the current management can't run it, then sell to those who can.

I should also insert this comment under any Brighton and Hove Albion topic, except they don't have many paying customers.

Pontop Pike says...
10:22am Mon 9 Mar 09

Such a shame, i`ve seen many a good "turn" there including the fantastic Terry Alderton and Rufus Howe.

As far as Jenny Eclair is concerned, award winning she may be, but you can only laugh so much about womens periods, contact lenses and men snoring.

I hope that Komedia get themselves on the straight and narrow, not many places where you can see first rate comics and enjoy a good meal under one roof.

bibble says...
10:27am Mon 9 Mar 09

Bennn wrote:
It would be absolutely devastating for the North Laine area if Komedia had to close. The reason why people come to Brighton, and even more so to the North Laines, is because of places like Komedia that you don’t find anywhere else. We don’t what great venues like Komedia closing down and being replaced by yet another Starbucks. I think the council should step in and help, otherwise we may lose Komedia forever.
I think the Directors have a lot to explain, but they are right on one point: the place is very busy despite the recession, which proves it is a popular venue people like and are attached to. If Komedia goes, so does a part of Brighton’s identity.
Do you mean the tax payers should subsidise a loss-making commercial venture? Where would be the incentive to improve its finances? How much would you give them?

mark 62 says...
12:05pm Mon 9 Mar 09

its not a loss making club, its cash rich in takings, i will bet they dont owe the landlord money or the vat, how can the club offer to pay 130k over next three years when they are so busy? but are in the red? seems like the a iva, trying to avoid paying poeple money! its a con, i for one wont accept the council bankrolling this private venture.

Osama bin there says...
1:06pm Mon 9 Mar 09

I will be happy to agree that the council (or taxpayers) shouldn't bankroll the Komedia out of its financial difficulties - as long as no government money of any sort goes to bankroll B&H Albion's new stadium.
If they get some then I want the Komedia to get at least as much, as what they put on is far more interesting, stimulating and entertaining, and probably draws a larger audience over the course of a year.

Bubs says...
1:19pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Maybe the creditors should reject the CVA and ask for 33p as well as a stake in the company equal to the 67p in the pound they are not going to get if they agree to the "deal"? Better to have shares than nothing at all.
It may be a much loved venue, but I am never going back after last time at the Krater. The swaaty blond compere appeared obsessed with his failed marriage, was not funny, bullied a hen party until the bride-to-be burst into tears and left and chucked out another group for what seemed like mild heckling. If you don't believe me I'm sure we can re-wind, everything is recorded on security cameras. Not my idea of a great night out.

jamus77 says...
1:42pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Bubs wrote:
Maybe the creditors should reject the CVA and ask for 33p as well as a stake in the company equal to the 67p in the pound they are not going to get if they agree to the "deal"? Better to have shares than nothing at all.
It may be a much loved venue, but I am never going back after last time at the Krater. The swaaty blond compere appeared obsessed with his failed marriage, was not funny, bullied a hen party until the bride-to-be burst into tears and left and chucked out another group for what seemed like mild heckling. If you don't believe me I'm sure we can re-wind, everything is recorded on security cameras. Not my idea of a great night out.
It's funny you should say that; the last time I went to the Krater something similar happened. The compere completely went over the top, laying into a stag do from Bristol. It was funny at first, but he didn't give up all night. By the end of the evening it seemed like a personal vendetta. It left a really bad taste in the mouth, and in the end everyone on our table was just cringing, preying he would change the subject. Seriously it's a miracle there wasn't a riot. Like you say, not my idea of a 'great night out' either.

Osama bin there says...
1:42pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Bubs wrote:
Maybe the creditors should reject the CVA and ask for 33p as well as a stake in the company equal to the 67p in the pound they are not going to get if they agree to the "deal"? Better to have shares than nothing at all.
It may be a much loved venue, but I am never going back after last time at the Krater. The swaaty blond compere appeared obsessed with his failed marriage, was not funny, bullied a hen party until the bride-to-be burst into tears and left and chucked out another group for what seemed like mild heckling. If you don't believe me I'm sure we can re-wind, everything is recorded on security cameras. Not my idea of a great night out.
They have plenty of good music on as well as 'comedy'...
I'm not going to defend their lack of business acumen, but I would hate to see the place shut.

Not on my watch says...
2:15pm Mon 9 Mar 09

I have worked in entertainment on a global level for 30 years plus and I have had no choice but to make profit. I have never been given free money that only underlines the fact that the directors of the Komedia are NOT good enough businessman to be successful in the real world.

I’m sorry for all suppliers that have worked with the Komedia in good faith but I’m afraid these debts don’t just happen overnight they have been allowed to spiral out of control by the suppliers!!!!

Why not allow some real entertainment professionals in to sort the Komedia out, it would not be pretty and there would be blood on the carpet, sorry the real world is NOT, PC.

But they only get paid on profitable results not grants which would frighten a lot of people, don't you agree.




The Garden Slug says...
2:31pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Not on my watch wrote:
I have worked in entertainment on a global level for 30 years plus and I have had no choice but to make profit. I have never been given free money that only underlines the fact that the directors of the Komedia are NOT good enough businessman to be successful in the real world. I’m sorry for all suppliers that have worked with the Komedia in good faith but I’m afraid these debts don’t just happen overnight they have been allowed to spiral out of control by the suppliers!!!! Why not allow some real entertainment professionals in to sort the Komedia out, it would not be pretty and there would be blood on the carpet, sorry the real world is NOT, PC. But they only get paid on profitable results not grants which would frighten a lot of people, don't you agree.
Oh Yeah? Who are you then , you 'global' entertainment mogul.......no doubt an agent to local stars such as 'Jack the lad' on SOuthern FM

fubsy says...
3:09pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Next time i go, i'm only paying 33p in the pound for my ticket. I hope the Directors accept that i can't pay the full amount.

The Garden Slug says...
3:50pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Jenny Eclair is about as funny as gout

elpresidente says...
3:53pm Mon 9 Mar 09

Shame on the Komedia and the community leaders... Where were they when The Pressure Point went under? or the barfly for that matter?

It's obvious where the cash has gone...

It's been sucked out of Brighton and stuck into Bath!

The Komedia are actually quite a mercenary organisation...

They poached Born Bad from the Engine Room under cutting the independant clubs rent, I know its a dive but that was a low move for a "Community Leader!" (I know the born bad crew incase anyone's wondering)...

Shame on them! Let it go bankrupt...

Alan G Skinner says...
4:05pm Mon 9 Mar 09

As of the end of this month there are going to be hundreds more who can't pay their bills in Sussex. At the end of the month Swissport will announce that they are for "Strategic" reasons pulling out of Gatwick and all staff are to be made redundant. This is not yet common knowledge, but Managers have already given the heads up to the more senior staff. More bad news for Sussex.

localactor says...
4:49pm Mon 9 Mar 09

The garnt was to support theatre. After it's withdrawal the Komedia stopped hostimh theatre productions. Therefore if this is now a crisis it means the grant wasn't being spent on what ity was meant for but was just generally subsidising the business - no wonder they lost it

bug eye says...
7:46pm Mon 9 Mar 09

i used to go in to town regularly to see a show and meal etc. but with the gustapo parking regime and high prices for bus journeys etc. i just cant be bothered so often, think on brighton and hove council you are ruining this city by your transport policy, no one comes to brighton more than once, the experience of spending hours getting in and out and then ripped off for parking is one they wont repeat. shops are closing by the dozen whilst out of town free parking shopping malls like bluewater are booming. we need a decent park and ride, cheap clean safe public transport and sensible parking regime, as it is we cannot accommodate any more tourist attractions or flats.

prof says...
1:45pm Tue 10 Mar 09

I found the komedia to have an overpriced bar, rude staff and lack of warmth full stop. They certainly dont need a handout if they cant manage their own affairs. The only people to miss this place are the bean munching layabouts that sit outside all day and the usual 'types' who try to sabotage all arty **** events in brighton. Sooner it goes the better!

prof says...
2:38pm Tue 10 Mar 09

Ps -Promoters go elsewhere as komedia charge a fortune to hire, so where has the money gone?? try the Hanbury,lovely venue and sensible prices and nice staff.Went to Mojo To Go Go there last Friday, packed out.Goodnight and cheap!

jefferson says...
9:43am Wed 11 Mar 09

Komedia certainly generates a lot of comment, mostly negative it seems or blase at best! Indeed, this is a reflection of the difficult relationship they have had with the people of Brighton, whether punters, promoters, entertainers or contractors. Complaints about too much comedy, losing its soul, high drink prices, unfriendly security etc etc are all justified to some extent or other. So is the fact that they have always been over staffed, have expanded too much, have never properly understood parts of the entertainment market, etc. For me the tipping point came when they revamped and expanded the upstairs part of the venue, and immediately lost the character of the space and completely lost their way in dealing with issues of noise etc.

They have also been quite poor at business ever since the beginning which is not suprising when you consider that the original directors are all theatre people!!

It's a difficult one to call, but they are reaching out to the people of Brighton, expecting debts to be substantially reduced (even though they have a very understanding and community orientated bank in Triodos)for mistakes and misjudgements that are generelly theirs. Komedia cannot be compared to a bank - at the end of the day we need banks but not entertainment venues, hence why we as taxpayers are bailing out these overstretched banks. Komedia has to offer something much more rather than just a small percentage of debts owed. And what it really needs as well as a hard headed financier is a director of programming, someone who knows exactly what to do with the place (particularly the upstairs which is now an albatross around the necks of the directors) to make it viable in this extremely challenging economic landscape.

Avangelist says...
12:31pm Wed 11 Mar 09

The statement about sellout shows thurs/fri+sat last week (of which Saturday's performance I was present) Was that Downstairs and upstairs? And were both seated?

If you are selling out one hall but no the other that is not SOLD OUT. It is half capacity, and if you are seated in both each hall is at a half to a third capacity for fire regs. If they ditched the food and tables and put on more standing gigs they would be able to sell a heck of a lot more tickets, get more money over the bar and perhaps they could be in better standing for their finances.

There are a lot of events on the programme which run at a loss.

Further more I agree, on the sentiment that the directors should dig in the money they have taken out. sh*t in sh*t out as they say.

JRH says...
1:46pm Wed 11 Mar 09

The directors in place aren't the same directors who set the place up.

They lost the arts council grant, because money became more inportant than programming, the theatre programme was (very obviously) cut back to its 'give us the money' bare bones. When lots of theatre venues had their budgets slashed, Komedia was top of the list because it had been marginalising its theatre output (and not giving it enough value) for a very, very long time. It had ceased to run its programmes which enabled small and start-up companies to try experimental work, failed to support its few success stories and alienated much of the theatre community - because it was busy turning itself into a Comedy venue.

The funding cut cannot have been a surprise - yes, ACE encouraged the venue to expand, to create rehearsal studios, to expand its variety of available spaces - potentially to create places for artists to develop their work and their audience.

What Komedia did with that money was strip out its tied seating and build two bars. Whoops - not quite what ACE had in mind, I fear.

I've watched the programming at Komedia slip slowly down a very big hill - from some of the best theatre, comedy and avant garde music a few years ago, to the nightclubs it now fails to support (Dynamite Boogaloo - for example; or I can site the case of one Born Bad where the tickets were oversold, the venue went past capacity and ticket holding clubbers were made to wait outdoors. The doorstaff's answer to this? one-in, one-out (and join the back of the queue) if you pop out for a cigarette or a breath of fresh air.

And then there's the dull-eyed, aggressive security thugs, where there used to be smart, helpful, polite front of house staff.

What's wrong with Komedia? It's broken in every possible sense - its soul was ripped out four years ago and its fate was then assured. It's been a surprisingly long road to the bottom, but now we're here.

Komedia's directors mustn't be rescued - but it must: The place needs a new team and a new vision. Let it sink and see what comes from the ashes - and don't let this incompetent bunch of money-grabbing idiots take the livelihoods of Brighton's small companies with them.

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