Teachers banned from promoting creationism (From The Argus)
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Teachers banned from promoting creationism
11:47am Sunday 22nd March 2009 in News
Teachers have been banned from promoting creationism in lessons.
The warning was issued by West Sussex County Council, the education authority, on the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin publishing his groundbreaking work The Origin of Species, which put forward the case for evolution.
Councillor Peter Griffiths, cabinet member for education and schools, was asked at a full meeting fo the council: “What is the policy of the County Council towards teachers in its employment who promote creationism and/or intelligent design rather than Darwin's theory of natural selection?”
Coun Griffiths said: “It is acceptable to answer questions about creationism in science but not promote it.”
Teachers and students could also explore creationist ideas when learning about religious beliefs.
Mr Griffiths was also asked if there was a zero tolerance attitude to teachers who promoted creationism.
Coun Griffiths said it was currently reviewing its policy, but added: “I note that the view of evolution is changing and that it has been reported that the Vatican has accepted that Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with the Christian faith.”
Comments(39)
bibble
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12:50pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Brap Brap wrote:There are big gaps in evolution, so the "proof" as you put it is not as solid as you suggest. I'm not just referring to the fossil gaps.
FINALLY.
Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.
I don't have any axe to grind either way, but when somebody says there is "proof" either way I am very skeptical. It would be better to say there is "some proof".
Tye
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1:03pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Osama bin there
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1:04pm Sun 22 Mar 09
There isn't.
So creationism is a lie. Simple as that.
Osama bin there
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1:06pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Tye wrote:Don't be daft, Tye. ;-)
I wonder IF WSCC will be as brave with Muslim beliefs as it has with Christian ones?
For one, they don't have much of a sense of humour.
cheezburger
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1:15pm Sun 22 Mar 09
bibble wrote:You dont understand it so just leave it ok. You cant prove gravity either. Science is about searching for truth and viewpoints change in the face of evidence. Creationism, and religion, tells you not to question, not to search, just accept what you are told.
Brap Brap wrote: FINALLY. Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.There are big gaps in evolution, so the "proof" as you put it is not as solid as you suggest. I'm not just referring to the fossil gaps. I don't have any axe to grind either way, but when somebody says there is "proof" either way I am very skeptical. It would be better to say there is "some proof".
This is boon to a civilised society and intelligence.
TheInsider
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2:04pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Tye
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2:11pm Sun 22 Mar 09
TheInsider wrote:Not really - Thw Planet may have been created a long time ago however what we are discussing is religious beliefs and they are apparently as strong as ever with some
Who really cares. It's all in the past. Move on.
Tony Davenport
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2:21pm Sun 22 Mar 09
bibble wrote:There is not just "some proof" for Darwin's theories, there is a vast ocean of proof, with more being found year after year. I have yet to find a single scientifically verifiable theory to emerge from creationism, or it's modern equivalent of "Intelligent Design".
Brap Brap wrote:There are big gaps in evolution, so the "proof" as you put it is not as solid as you suggest. I'm not just referring to the fossil gaps.
FINALLY.
Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.
I don't have any axe to grind either way, but when somebody says there is "proof" either way I am very skeptical. It would be better to say there is "some proof".
Should science teachers also address the claims of the "flat earth" brigade too? They also claim to have "proof". How about people who don't believe in gravity? Where does the lunacy end?
Creationism and intelligent design are not science and as such have no place whatsoever in science classes.
Tony Davenport
feline1
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2:45pm Sun 22 Mar 09
I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine.
They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!
Osama bin there
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2:57pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Creationism is an article of FAITH in some religions. It thinks of itself as being above needing scientific proof.
It's also a particularly american christian fundamentalist belief.
How much more evidence do you need to see that it's a stupid as a box of frogs.
Beliefs or articles of faith with no scientific substance are no more than fairytales - pure and simple.
cheezburger
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3:35pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Tye wrote:As strong as ever with some, however the number who believe in it overall is definitely dwindling.
TheInsider wrote: Who really cares. It's all in the past. Move on.Not really - Thw Planet may have been created a long time ago however what we are discussing is religious beliefs and they are apparently as strong as ever with some
And not all religious people beileive in creationism anyway, most of them accept its just plain daft.
cheezburger
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3:38pm Sun 22 Mar 09
feline1 wrote:Totally agree. Ive been saying this for years. They should be made to live in caves without electricity or any modern convenience.
Good stuff. I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine. They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!
GreenGiant
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3:51pm Sun 22 Mar 09
binge
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4:26pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Txa
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5:00pm Sun 22 Mar 09
feline1 wrote:Medical leeches are now making a came back in microsurgery (modern scientific medicine).
Good stuff. I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine. They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!
Txa
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5:18pm Sun 22 Mar 09
I as an spiritual person I prefer a world with religions than without, atheism is not an option. But I'm against indoctrination of children in faiths schools, all schools should teach universal human morals and values.
Tye
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6:05pm Sun 22 Mar 09
cheezburger wrote:You sound exactly like some bigotted God Botherer.
feline1 wrote: Good stuff. I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine. They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!Totally agree. Ive been saying this for years. They should be made to live in caves without electricity or any modern convenience.
surely live and let live so long as your POV doesn't encroach on others s/be the aim?
I don't care If my neighbour believes that the Duke of Edinburgh is Lord of the lizard people so long as they are not dangerous or expect me to share their views
Kickboxer
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6:13pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Brap Brap wrote:I do not think anything can be proved 100%, we could be an atom under a giants finger nail, or a experiment in a petree dish for anyone really knows.
FINALLY.
Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.
quedula
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7:33pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Txa
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8:08pm Sun 22 Mar 09
quedula wrote:"All these posts show how modern Britain is throwing off the shackles of ancient discredited"
All these posts show how modern Britain is throwing off the shackles of ancient discredited superstitions. Its time for secularists to stand up and be counted. Why should Bishops sit in the House of Lords? Why should any taxpayer's money go to supporting institutions which perpetuate the antiquated myths and rituals of religion?Find out how your MP feels before the next election.
If that is modern Britain, God save us all! Though I agree more of less with the rest. I'm against all religious corrupted institutions, that for centuries have been trying to monopolize and control the human spirit, and the atheist are trying to do the same, you cannot control the human spirit because it always was and always will be FREE!
cheezburger
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8:46pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Txa
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8:54pm Sun 22 Mar 09
cheezburger wrote:That is where we differ.
You cant control the human spirit because it doesnt exist.
feline1
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9:02pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Tye wrote:We are talking about TEACHERS paid with TAXPAYERS MONEY, who are supposed to be educating our children, instead INDOCTRINATING THEM with LUDICROUS DOGMA.
cheezburger wrote:You sound exactly like some bigotted God Botherer.
feline1 wrote: Good stuff. I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine. They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!Totally agree. Ive been saying this for years. They should be made to live in caves without electricity or any modern convenience.
surely live and let live so long as your POV doesn't encroach on others s/be the aim?
I don't care If my neighbour believes that the Duke of Edinburgh is Lord of the lizard people so long as they are not dangerous or expect me to share their views
Txa
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9:28pm Sun 22 Mar 09
feline1
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9:38pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Txa wrote:Yes, I agree, if by "no-one" you mean "actually probably most people"
What it really amaze me, we all worry about religion indoctrination, but when our local schools are turning into private academies, where they got the whole power to indoctrinate our children the way they like it, no one seems to care.
Txa
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9:55pm Sun 22 Mar 09
feline1 wrote:probably yes, ahahah...
Txa wrote: What it really amaze me, we all worry about religion indoctrination, but when our local schools are turning into private academies, where they got the whole power to indoctrinate our children the way they like it, no one seems to care.Yes, I agree, if by "no-one" you mean "actually probably most people"
feline1
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10:27pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Teachers who don't believe Nigeria is part of Africa? Teachers who insist that the French language has no past tense? That the battle of Hastings was in 1166?
Guerrero
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11:28pm Sun 22 Mar 09
GreenGiant wrote:Probably not too far from the truth mate.
I belive that we were all crated by some sort of alien & there waching us like some sort of TV show, laughing at us fight over the must perthetic things! Thats just my view.
Waiting to see how far we can go berore we blow ourselves to fcuk.
My God's alright.I dont impose him onto anybody else and he lets me off most of the bad stuff I do.He also trusts me to do some good things as well.Which I try to do.
In 30 odd years or so I'll be dead and he'll move onto someone else.
I'll be on some other plane.Or not.
Jesus sounds like he was a really good bloke.I probably prefer Bhudda though.Although the lack of alcoholic beverages means,I'll never follow his path.Allah the same really.I like a bevvy.
Couldn't let one of my kids die though a lack of blood like the Jehovah's.Catholics and mormons have too many kids.
I'll go with the Alien theory being at least as good as Darwins.
From frog spawn to human being?
Crazy.LOL.
Mr. Kipling
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12:30am Mon 23 Mar 09
That`ll probably be the season finale...
mr punch
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12:31am Mon 23 Mar 09
Tye
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8:01am Mon 23 Mar 09
feline1 wrote:So why deny the NHS to "them", force them to live in caves -you were not discussing teachers then were you - you stupid trolling pr4t
Tye wrote:We are talking about TEACHERS paid with TAXPAYERS MONEY, who are supposed to be educating our children, instead INDOCTRINATING THEM with LUDICROUS DOGMA.cheezburger wrote:You sound exactly like some bigotted God Botherer. surely live and let live so long as your POV doesn't encroach on others s/be the aim? I don't care If my neighbour believes that the Duke of Edinburgh is Lord of the lizard people so long as they are not dangerous or expect me to share their viewsfeline1 wrote: Good stuff. I would go further: these anti-Enlightment loons who like to deny scientific rationalism should themselves be denied the benefits of modern scientific medicine. They can have a good old pray and a couple of leeches instead of running to the NHS when they get sick - after all, there's no PROOF medicine works, it's just a THEORY!Totally agree. Ive been saying this for years. They should be made to live in caves without electricity or any modern convenience.
If you widen the argument you cannot really go back to the original story and use the excuse about teachers
pun master
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9:53am Mon 23 Mar 09
Brap Brap
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9:59am Mon 23 Mar 09
bibble wrote:there is "a lot of proof" for science and evolution. there is "no proof" for god and creationism.
Brap Brap wrote:There are big gaps in evolution, so the "proof" as you put it is not as solid as you suggest. I'm not just referring to the fossil gaps.
FINALLY.
Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.
I don't have any axe to grind either way, but when somebody says there is "proof" either way I am very skeptical. It would be better to say there is "some proof".
i think i know which one i'd rather go with...
binge
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12:41pm Mon 23 Mar 09
binge
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12:42pm Mon 23 Mar 09
Paul Skinnbach
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2:13pm Mon 23 Mar 09
I believe that when creationism was dreamt up, the author didn't take into consideration the possibility of being disproved.
Religion is good on the whole for a great many people, it provides the guidelines for the majority to lead socially responsible lives, but science and religion should be kept apart like a naturally aggressive tramp and a can of tennants.
Human Machine
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2:27pm Mon 23 Mar 09
Not recanting such heretic views could, and probably did, result in the cane.
Jim BB
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6:14pm Mon 23 Mar 09
Brap Brap says...
12:09pm Sun 22 Mar 09
Creationism is a complete and utter joke. It can't be proved, where as evolution can.