Pregnant woman told to leave Hove pub (From The Argus)
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Pregnant woman told to leave Hove pub
2:00pm Tuesday 31st March 2009 in
A pregnant woman was ordered out of a pub after pub staff saw her sipping beer.
Caroline Williams, who is 23 weeks pregnant, said she felt humiliated after being told to leave the Sussex Cricketer pub in Eaton Road, Hove.
The 26-year-old, who lives in the same road, had visited the pub on a rare night out to meet friends.
She had drunk one pint of lager when the pub's assistant manager refused to serve her friend a half pint which he was trying to buy for her.
And when she took a sip from a friend's glass, bar staff demanded that she leave.
Mrs Williams said: "The manageress said she was going to have to ask me and my friends to leave.
"I've never felt so singled out and humiliated in my life.
"I don't drink a great deal even when not pregnant.
"I have never been removed from any establishment before and I'm not one to cause a scene, so I left when asked."
Mrs Williams said the other members of her group were quiet professionals, the youngest of whom was 44.
She said: "I know the manager reserves the right to refuse anyone service without needing to give them a reason, but it is not illegal for a pregnant woman to purchase alcohol unless she is under age.
"I wasn't putting any other customers or staff in any danger or causing a threat.
"She was using her right to refuse me alcohol to exercise her own personal opinions and prejudices.
"I don't wish for anyone in my position to be treated like this again, with the same force and attitude as that required for drunk and disorderly customers, or underage law-breakers."
An assistant manager at the pub confirmed she had asked the group to leave on Saturday night.
She said: "My concern was that she was going to keep drinking and that it may be a concern for me if she was drunk on the premises.
"She was a heavily pregnant lady drinking alcohol.
"It is not my place to say what s morally right and wrong but my duty is for the safety of my guests.
"I asked them to leave because I didn t want her friends buying drinks for her and something happening to her or her unborn baby."
Comments(93)
censored
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2:08pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Not your problem, love. Just serve the drink and leave the social care to the NHS.
Sweepster
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2:14pm Tue 31 Mar 09
No, just the health of your unborn baby.
Tye
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2:15pm Tue 31 Mar 09
feline1
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2:15pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Charismatic Andrew
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2:17pm Tue 31 Mar 09
She says it's not her place to say what's morally right or wrong, but then says she didn't want anything to happen to the unborn baby.
People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to work in pubs. Not when people's safety depends on it.
jo w
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2:38pm Tue 31 Mar 09
pancaker
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2:40pm Tue 31 Mar 09
rudechris
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2:42pm Tue 31 Mar 09
lovebug
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2:50pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Granny
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3:01pm Tue 31 Mar 09
censored
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3:14pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Dingbat99
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3:15pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Alcohol is a danger to unformed babies before 16 weeks, not later in the pregnancy.
Judgemental attitudes when a little knowledge is dangerous.
chris elmes
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3:22pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Redbeard
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3:22pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Human Machine
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3:23pm Tue 31 Mar 09
feline1
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3:27pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Here's the link.
http://www.nhs.uk/ch
q/Pages/2270.aspx?Ca
tegoryID=54&SubCateg
oryID=131
Txa
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3:28pm Tue 31 Mar 09
censored wrote:yeah, like guiness is good when pregnant because of the iron content!?
I'm sure the commenters above are aware of the latest research which shows light alcohol intake during pregnancy is safe and possibly beneficial.
Redbeard
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3:41pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Txa wrote:It used to be good for you in the old days when they still made it with ox blood, then when people did not have a nutritious diet it helped with the iron etc.
censored wrote: I'm sure the commenters above are aware of the latest research which shows light alcohol intake during pregnancy is safe and possibly beneficial.yeah, like guiness is good when pregnant because of the iron content!?
Sidewinder
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4:12pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Dickens Cider
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4:13pm Tue 31 Mar 09
There will always be conflicting information on whether it's good/bad to have alcohol whilst pregnant but ultimately that is her decision to make, not for others to make for her.
Yeah sure if she was steaming drunk, creating a fuss and falling over, then don't serve her. But for a quiet civilised drink I personally think this was too extreme.
Over-protective in the extreme...
Bob100
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4:19pm Tue 31 Mar 09
margaret thatcher wrote:Or Stella...
is the baby going to be called waynetta
mackeson
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4:27pm Tue 31 Mar 09
feline1
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4:27pm Tue 31 Mar 09
leedsnowfan
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4:28pm Tue 31 Mar 09
security word: baby-pint
leedsnowfan
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4:29pm Tue 31 Mar 09
kkj
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4:31pm Tue 31 Mar 09
I'd say that the assistant manager acted prematurely and undiplomatically, however good her intentions.
Oh, and Sidewinder, was that a serious question?
Osama bin there
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4:36pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Jobsworth and nanny state alert methinks.
Peacehaven Paul
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4:41pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Wivvy Dave
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4:47pm Tue 31 Mar 09
It would be nice to know if this woman was binge drinking - I maen was the half just to keep her busy whilst the men drank their pints or had she been sipping the first pint for over an hour. If the latter is the case then manager probably wanted her out so that she could fill the space with a real drinker.
This is the truth the security words are "baby-drop". Come on Argus you can't expect me to complain that this is a coincidence.
Mary Hinge
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4:59pm Tue 31 Mar 09
So why did you throw her out then you moron???!!
tinkywinky
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5:13pm Tue 31 Mar 09
censored wrote:Yeah yeah yeah and so is smack I suppose.
I'm sure the commenters above are aware of the latest research which shows light alcohol intake during pregnancy is safe and possibly beneficial.
yorkie44
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5:15pm Tue 31 Mar 09
geewhizz
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5:16pm Tue 31 Mar 09
On Saturday, a rugby player gets stabbed repeatedly in a bar at Shoreham. On Tuesday, an over-protective, busy-body assistant manager starts calling who can and cannot drink, and then chucks a group of very obviously non-yobs out of her pub.
last weekend I went for a 'traditional home-cooked Sunday lunch' in a local pub, and it was about as homecooked as something you'd get a McDonalds - to say it was microwaved to death is an understatement - dirty tables, screaming children, morose staff, dirty loos and then to cap it all one of the 'we hope you enjoyed your visit, we certainly enjoyed serving you today' notices on the way out.
Well i didn't enjoy my visit, and your Sunday roast took all of about 30 minutes to come whizzing out of my body and I spent most of Monday at work stragetically placed near the loo...
British pubs! Do me a favour, sooner the all close and stop whinging the better.
Save some money, buy from the offie, invite some friends around and you get no hassle from the sort of self-appointed public health guardians as at the cricketers.
cheezburger
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6:20pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Scoomer
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6:21pm Tue 31 Mar 09
getreal
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6:23pm Tue 31 Mar 09
cheezburger
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6:26pm Tue 31 Mar 09
cheezburger
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6:33pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Guerrero
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6:34pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Maybe to cut costs,Britain should get rid of all of its GP's and put barmaids in their place.
Whatever happened to freedom of choice?
cheezburger
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6:39pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Guerrero wrote:Or the freedom to possibly harm your baby due to drinking whilst pregnant. Its a no brainer.
I have to say that I am totally gobsmacked by this story. Maybe to cut costs,Britain should get rid of all of its GP's and put barmaids in their place. Whatever happened to freedom of choice?
misscake
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6:54pm Tue 31 Mar 09
its entirely up to any pregnant woman what she does when pregnant.
not for any of you to decide.
if any pregnant woman were craving something strange, like coal for example, would you say its bad for the baby?
Or even more ridiculous that she is adding to carbon emissions by eating coal?
come on people, get on with your own lives and leave other people alone.
Alan G Skinner
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7:01pm Tue 31 Mar 09
kkj
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7:11pm Tue 31 Mar 09
http://www.teletext.
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VoiceofUnreason
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7:12pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Cara_G
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7:16pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Mrs Reasonable
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7:43pm Tue 31 Mar 09
This mother might have been enjoying a night out with friends but enjoying yourself doesn't always have to involve alcohol, pregnant or not.
TheInsider
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8:08pm Tue 31 Mar 09
I am sick of whining parents or parents to be. They want the whole world to worship them and their rights (including years of maternity leave their employers have to pick the tab up for) and yet when they go to the pub boozing they get huffy when someone attempts to take care of them. We have been told for years pregnant women should not drink or smoke so she should give it a rest.
She should go home and be a mother and stop whining because if the baby is born with any problems she will be the first to blame someone else.
S.T. Rewth
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8:21pm Tue 31 Mar 09
feline1
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8:24pm Tue 31 Mar 09
BOOZE F'T'BABY?
Gruntfuttock
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9:07pm Tue 31 Mar 09
TheInsider
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9:15pm Tue 31 Mar 09
If you get pregnant or have kids stay at home. No-one under 18 should be boozing and that includes a foetus.
Psycho Bob
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9:36pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Most beer these days is like maidens water.
Andaxi
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9:51pm Tue 31 Mar 09
MrsW
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10:00pm Tue 31 Mar 09
7:01pm Tue 31 Mar 09
What on earth in a lady who is 23 weeks pregnant doing in a pub, that's bad enough. If she had been sipping an orange juice or lemonade, that would have been just about acceptable, but downing a pint of strong larger and then going back for more, that is just appaling. A pregnant women downing pints of larger in a pub, that's the worst thing i have ever heard, she is vile. The publican was absolutely correct for asking herto leave, what on earth was she thinking, surely people are not this ignorant-
I suppose she should have been at home in the kitchen where she belongs. 'If she had been sipping an orange juice or lemonade, that would have been just about acceptable' why only just about? No smoking in pubs allows people to enjoy light social activity without a polluted atmosphere. Now, if they could just do something about the people... Also, when did you suddenly decide that she was DOWNING a pint? Talk about twisting words and over-dramatising a statement. Ever thought of working for ITN? Might want to learn to spell first though...
Txa
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10:03pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Guerrero
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10:21pm Tue 31 Mar 09
cheezburger wrote:You'd better start getting MacDonalds staff to chuck out the parents of the fat kids who have actually been born then mate.Start arresting parents who smoke indoors and,then invade countries like Spain and France which allow children small amounts of alcohol with a meal yet have none of the teenage alcohol problems that you have in Britain.
Guerrero wrote: I have to say that I am totally gobsmacked by this story. Maybe to cut costs,Britain should get rid of all of its GP's and put barmaids in their place. Whatever happened to freedom of choice?Or the freedom to possibly harm your baby due to drinking whilst pregnant. Its a no brainer.
Give me a sensible comeback on that.Without using the F word if you can.
security word:beer-fest
TheInsider
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10:21pm Tue 31 Mar 09
However, not many landlords seem to be willing to take the chance as most people find pregnant women drinking or smoking unacceptable.
Guerrero
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10:42pm Tue 31 Mar 09
All so they can get a half of lager shandy.LOL.
People of Brighton,you are rapidly becoming the most PC,Holier than Thou,up your own bottoms,Nanny knows best Town(You're not a real City)in the Country.
Take a chill pill.LOL.
Psycho Bob
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11:05pm Tue 31 Mar 09
.
.
My Daisie is 8 months pregnant, smokes 20 cigs a day and still drinks the usual 5 bottles of Speckled Hen at the local a good job she don't live in the PC correct city of Brighton.
kkj
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11:52pm Tue 31 Mar 09
Guerrero wrote:Hove, actually!
Pregnant women in Brighton will be driven underground.Forced to pretend that they are coca cola drinking,kentucky gorging fat ****,rather than owning up to being pregnant.
All so they can get a half of lager shandy.LOL.
People of Brighton,you are rapidly becoming the most PC,Holier than Thou,up your own bottoms,Nanny knows best Town(You're not a real City)in the Country.
Take a chill pill.LOL.
Guerrero
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12:11am Wed 1 Apr 09
Hove,Brighton.
You're losing it big time.
It's time to start choosing your own directions and making your own decisions.
Being a sheep and following may be easy,but the people of Brighton(and Hove and surrounding areas) surely have more gumption than that?
security word:easy-lies.
margaret thatcher
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8:05am Wed 1 Apr 09
Tye
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8:06am Wed 1 Apr 09
Sidewinder wrote:Surely a case for sexual education in sKools
How the hell did the bar staff even know that she was pregnant!!
clue- ladys tumtums get biggy :)
King from Hove
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8:52am Wed 1 Apr 09
Alan G Skinner
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9:05am Wed 1 Apr 09
tinkywinky
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10:09am Wed 1 Apr 09
Bob100 wrote:Oy Bob aged 100!
Everyones been very judgemental of this lady without knowing the full facts. I'm sure there is no intention on her behalf to harm her unborn baby. And as for the idiot who is likening a pint & a half of larger to taking crack or child abuse, I suggest you take a long hard look at your comment. Your a disgrace and obviously not very well educated. The point I feel that is trying to be made is that because of her condition it should not allow people to judge her and make her feel humiliated.
'People should not be allowed to judge her because of her condition'?
First class idiot.
My mrs would have been at home preparing for the birth not getting bladdered. Its disgusting.No thought at all for her unborn vulnerable child. I notice the Chatsworth estate (Shameless!) lot are on here unsurprisedly supporting this silly woman.
Hovegirl
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12:25pm Wed 1 Apr 09
Well done to the barmaid and all the staff at the Cricketers, nice to see someone cares about a person more than their takings.
Hovegirl
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1:00pm Wed 1 Apr 09
censored wrote:Well Down to you. Just goes to show there are some caring people around and Mrs Williams should be ashamed of herself for making all this fuss.
"I asked them to leave because I didn t want her friends buying drinks for her and something happening to her or her unborn baby." Not your problem, love. Just serve the drink and leave the social care to the NHS.
Hovegirl
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1:05pm Wed 1 Apr 09
King from Hove wrote:So you would of preferred it if the "woman" was allowed to drink her self stupid and most probably end up miscarrying.
Pathetic staff.On principle will no longer visit this pub which I believe is part of Mitchells and Butler whose shares have nosedived.No wonder.
Now whose the pathetic one?
Alan G Skinner
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1:27pm Wed 1 Apr 09
buzzy
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2:02pm Wed 1 Apr 09
(margaret thatcher, downing st says...
8:05am Wed 1 Apr 09
boyvott the pub,she should be sacked,what right does she have on 5 pounds an hour,im going to contact the inland rev to make sure she isnt signing on too)
And to this dick that wrote this post get a life! just because 90% of the country are claiming benefits don't go shooting your mouth off at the small percentage of people that actually work in this god for saken country! and btw.... the manageress's tax and probably yours is going to be keeping her baby! so the next time your tired working your arse off and being treated like dirt by your boss just remember your funding her child and her booze habit oh and the cigarette habit. I wonder if the baby will enjoy a nice lager like it's mum? what sort of woman drinks out of a pint glass anyway? trash...
buzzy
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2:06pm Wed 1 Apr 09
buzzy
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3:10pm Wed 1 Apr 09
ne.co.uk/tol/life_an
d_style/health/artic
le3602704.ece
Go to this site, food for thought people!
margaret thatcher
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4:30pm Wed 1 Apr 09
buzzy wrote:your the dick mate,get a life its a bit of fun,god id hate for you to be my dad,do u know what ur kids get up to if you have any,leave the girl alone,shes got enough problems bringing up this baby in this **** hole of a country as it is,do one mate
This is to Censored who wrote that light alcohol consumption was beneficial and safe? ok may be a small amount but a pint? and another half. You are all sitting here judging this one woman (The manageress) who actual cared for a stranger, I'm sure you all dont want to live in a society where no one gives a rubbish about anyone? Have we really become that ungrateful and self centred that we don't realise when people are trying to help. This woman should think of herself as a disgrace to firstly be going to the papers about someone trying to look out for her well being and the babies! what you guys don't realise is that not only had she already drank one pint she was drinking her friends drinks and smoking outside. What mother to be would stroke her belly while holding a pint glass?? Classy.... (margaret thatcher, downing st says... 8:05am Wed 1 Apr 09 boyvott the pub,she should be sacked,what right does she have on 5 pounds an hour,im going to contact the inland rev to make sure she isnt signing on too) And to this dick that wrote this post get a life! just because 90% of the country are claiming benefits don't go shooting your mouth off at the small percentage of people that actually work in this god for saken country! and btw.... the manageress's tax and probably yours is going to be keeping her baby! so the next time your tired working your arse off and being treated like dirt by your boss just remember your funding her child and her booze habit oh and the cigarette habit. I wonder if the baby will enjoy a nice lager like it's mum? what sort of woman drinks out of a pint glass anyway? trash...
buzzy
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5:42pm Wed 1 Apr 09
Jo PP
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6:17pm Wed 1 Apr 09
In the day before scans and wonderful home pregnancy tests - you could be 3 months pregnant without knowing it... what then? God forbid if you were drinking pre-dinner G&Ts every night... i didn't hear anyone screaming child abuse then. Also, i hardly call force feeding pregnant rats pure alcohol and through this, determining the effects on human embreyos to be a conclusive! If the same person requested a packet of cigerettes - what then? should they be refused? Yet Smoking is proven to have impacts to unborn babies... Seriously, when your back aches, your ankles are swollen and you feel like a bit fat weeble - a glass of Chardonnay once in a while worked wonders! - yes, i did occasionally drink too... and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Alan G Skinner
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6:42pm Wed 1 Apr 09
Jo PP
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7:40pm Wed 1 Apr 09
You really do need to get some perspective......
I'm being honest and I am not a disgrace.
The odd tipple really does not make any different to an unborn baby although drinking regularly whilst pregnant really is a no-no.
margaret thatcher
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7:49pm Wed 1 Apr 09
buzzy wrote:thats why you have no children with an attitude like that,ive rang the inland rev already,this preg women has a case to,so i hope she takes the pub to court and they go out of business,its a **** hole anyway,serving crap food and the beer is watered down,work in the childcare ind,that means your a helper on even less min wage,haha
I'm a woman actually and have no kids but have worked in the childcare industry and your right it is a **** hole because of people like you
Psycho Bob
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8:08pm Wed 1 Apr 09
buzzy wrote:Here we go, the 'I don't have any kids brigade, but seem to think they know it all'.
I'm a woman actually and have no kids but have worked in the childcare industry and your right it is a **** hole because of people like you
Get a life you bunch of sheep.
As for Caroline Williams, I hope she gets a good wod of compensation.
TheInsider
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8:46pm Wed 1 Apr 09
Now they are saying small amounts of alcohol may not be harmful.
Would you trust a doctor?
She should stay at home in confinement and drink herself stupid once she's popped.
MrsW
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11:36pm Wed 1 Apr 09
Alan G Skinner wrote:You ARE a funny Gent aren't you?! I'm sure you realise that this is a matter that will ALWAYS have two sides, and no amount of throwing insults around will change that. You can't simply force your opinion upon people and expect them to suddenly agree with you, if you felt that strongly about it the desire to gain others' agreement you wouldn't choose such a forceful approach in doing so. It's exactly this kind of controlling male behavior that sends women running for the pub in the first place. The original point of the article if you remember was the rude way in which the assistant manageress dealt with her spontaneous decision to not serve Mrs Williams a drink. She treated her like a criminal without warning that this would be the outcome. It is NOT illegal and therefor was an unacceptable form of personal view infliction. I can assure you the woman concerned didn't contest the idea of a blanket policy, but feels very strongly that this needs to be something of which customers and publicans alike are aware, so that future humiliations of pregnant women can be avoided.
MrsW. I apologise for my appalling spelling and grammar in my initial response to this tragic story, but I had just come back from an exclusive gentleman’s club where I had been indulging in vast quantities of Dom Perignon, Cuban Cigars and snorting Coke of models hips. I unreservedly apologise for my disgraceful wielding of the English language. Now, once again, because I frankly still cannot believe it; a woman, a women who is, (claims to be) 23 weeks pregnant in a public house abusing alcohol. This is so disgraceful; my limited diction cannot adiquately articulate my contempt for this horrible individual. There is no place for this type of behaviour, or lack there of, in polite society. I weep for the future; is there no decency. I hope social services have already begun to investigate this entirely distasteful affair.
C
MrsW
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12:13am Thu 2 Apr 09
Alan G Skinner wrote:Oh and "Buzzy", you seem to have had a closer connection to this than the mere newspaper readers, and if I'm right in thinking who you are, you should be enjoying the benefits of tax payers for a while yourself now, while you seek new employment. Caring for mothers-to-be is warning them discreetly of the pub's policy before they get the chance to be humiliated by the refusal, not subjecting them to the stress of the unexpected embarrassing refusal, via a new acquaintance. There are ways of using authority, and this was, and I quote, "dealt with inappropriately". Oh and assuming she'll be claiming anything from the state is presumptuous when you know nothing about her.
MrsW. I apologise for my appalling spelling and grammar in my initial response to this tragic story, but I had just come back from an exclusive gentleman’s club where I had been indulging in vast quantities of Dom Perignon, Cuban Cigars and snorting Coke of models hips. I unreservedly apologise for my disgraceful wielding of the English language. Now, once again, because I frankly still cannot believe it; a woman, a women who is, (claims to be) 23 weeks pregnant in a public house abusing alcohol. This is so disgraceful; my limited diction cannot adiquately articulate my contempt for this horrible individual. There is no place for this type of behaviour, or lack there of, in polite society. I weep for the future; is there no decency. I hope social services have already begun to investigate this entirely distasteful affair.
MrsW
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12:21am Thu 2 Apr 09
Hovegirl wrote:It hasn't been published anywhere that she was smoking, and her confirmation of these facts would be required to do so. Otherwise the person stating such a thing would be in danger of being sued for LIBEL. Bear that in mind, HOVEGIRL.
censored wrote:Well done you, I dont think anybody has actually mentioned the fact that not only was she drinking but also smoking quite heavily as well.
"I asked them to leave because I didn t want her friends buying drinks for her and something happening to her or her unborn baby." Not your problem, love. Just serve the drink and leave the social care to the NHS.
TheInsider
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7:24am Thu 2 Apr 09
I saw this lady being interviewed on tv last night and it was very odd. She said she was with a group of new friends and trying to make a good impression when she was humiliated........we
ll if I met a pregnant woman for the first time I would be really shocked if they even had a small glass of wine when pregnant. From the comments on here, other people feel the same. What on earth was wrong with sipping an orange juice. And what was the first impression these people got of a young pregnant woman boozing? I hope it wasn't a job interview.
While the staff member may have been rude which is unacceptable, there is something very odd about a pregnant woman drinking alcohol. As pregnant women drinking booze is such an abhorrent idea to most people, the bar woman may have thought she had an alcoholic mother in her venue or someone with personal problems and therefore, you would not want your licence put at risk. Alcohol is a poison. Most pregnant women wont even take an aspirin or even dye their hair while pregnant let alone swig down something which is a known poison. This is all very weird.
sussex2
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7:37am Thu 2 Apr 09
Advice to ANYONE in Hove should be to avoid the pub if it is to become the moral guardian of everyones standards..
MrsW
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11:09am Thu 2 Apr 09
Bottom line is this: Make a decision as a publican what your stance is, and make that stance clear so that pregnant women hoping to enjoy a drink, and they do exist, can be pre-warned and have the opportunity to respect that decision whilst in the pub. Authority gives you the right to make a decision, but not the right to force the opinion of the customer's life choices onto the customer. There's a perfectly suitable space outside to state this policy next to the sign regarding the rules about under 14s.
Alan G Skinner
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11:28am Thu 2 Apr 09
Ferrari boy
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12:20pm Thu 2 Apr 09
MrsW
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12:30pm Thu 2 Apr 09
Alan G Skinner wrote:Brilliant, I'm sorry I ever doubted you, you are hilarious. All this time I thought you were being serious but now I realise its tongue in cheek irony. Can you imagine if there really were people out there that still believed women should stay at home and know their place unless chaperoned by a worthy male escort, oh Dahling! I'll bet she was talking without being spoken to first as well the young scally-wag, wherever was she dragged up? So we're going for a complete "no pregnant women allowed" policy in pubs as a new policy then are we? HERE HERE, why not electronically tag them and solve that problem straight away. I hear some of them actually have their own jobs as well, what is the world coming to?
There is no question about it, unescorted females in public houses is entirely inappropriate. A mother who is with child in a public house is unforgivable. If Ms Williams had an ounce of decency, she would beg forgiveness for her dreadful conduct and i think it would be best for all concerned if she was moved away to the country.
El Burro
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2:25pm Thu 2 Apr 09
MrsW wrote:this is all very well, but why had she left the kitchen in the first place?
Alan G Skinner wrote: There is no question about it, unescorted females in public houses is entirely inappropriate. A mother who is with child in a public house is unforgivable. If Ms Williams had an ounce of decency, she would beg forgiveness for her dreadful conduct and i think it would be best for all concerned if she was moved away to the country.Brilliant, I'm sorry I ever doubted you, you are hilarious. All this time I thought you were being serious but now I realise its tongue in cheek irony. Can you imagine if there really were people out there that still believed women should stay at home and know their place unless chaperoned by a worthy male escort, oh Dahling! I'll bet she was talking without being spoken to first as well the young scally-wag, wherever was she dragged up? So we're going for a complete "no pregnant women allowed" policy in pubs as a new policy then are we? HERE HERE, why not electronically tag them and solve that problem straight away. I hear some of them actually have their own jobs as well, what is the world coming to?
On a serious note, if by law you are not allowed to abort at 6 months, and the foetus is legally considered a person in their own right, by serving the woman is the landlord breaking the law?
She definitely has a case for discrimination, but whether the courts would see it that way is another matter.
benwithjamin
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12:28am Sun 5 Apr 09
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margaret thatcher says...
2:07pm Tue 31 Mar 09