Liveblog: Brighton Smash EDO protest (From The Argus)

TheInsider wrote:
People of Brighton and Hove, carry on your business. Do not let out of towners ruin your hard earned holiday.

Fercri Sakes wrote:
To Steeleysmith: I'm not going to be one of these protesters but it's bit ironic to talk about the peaceful Children's Parade when just down the road they are making waepon systems that will be blowing innocent kids up in other parts of the world. When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it. So next time you off-handedly judge these people as wasters just think if they are successful in achieving their goals that one day from now some child won't be pulling a shard of metal out of their parent's head with "Made In Brighton" written on it.

Osama bin there wrote:

Fercri Sakes wrote: To Steeleysmith: I'm not going to be one of these protesters but it's bit ironic to talk about the peaceful Children's Parade when just down the road they are making waepon systems that will be blowing innocent kids up in other parts of the world. When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it. So next time you off-handedly judge these people as wasters just think if they are successful in achieving their goals that one day from now some child won't be pulling a shard of metal out of their parent's head with "Made In Brighton" written on it.

They don't make bombs, and the bombs used by the Israelis, USA, UK are not fired by EDO. It's like attacking BMW because lots of people lose their lives in accidents as result of young people driving these cars. How many times do you people have to be told?

Tye wrote:
My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

Fercri Sakes wrote:
To Steeleysmith: I'm not going to be one of these protesters but it's bit ironic to talk about the peaceful Children's Parade when just down the road they are making waepon systems that will be blowing innocent kids up in other parts of the world. When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it. So next time you off-handedly judge these people as wasters just think if they are successful in achieving their goals that one day from now some child won't be pulling a shard of metal out of their parent's head with "Made In Brighton" written on it.

auby wrote:
I do have a job thanks and so do many others that will be attending the protest...Also edo do make parts that ignite bombs.Does it matter which country are firing them? Surely this is wrong as many innocent people and children are affected.I suppose you all listen and believe what you are reading in the press.Dont you think that they tell you want they want you to know.Oh and i also shower daily thanks! Try some independent sources please..............

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auby wrote:
I do have a job thanks and so do many others that will be attending the protest...Also edo do make parts that ignite bombs.Does it matter which country are firing them? Surely this is wrong as many innocent people and children are affected.I suppose you all listen and believe what you are reading in the press.Dont you think that they tell you want they want you to know.Oh and i also shower daily thanks! Try some independent sources please..............

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AJPrince wrote:
I think the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech is one of the many things soldiers died for in the world wars to give us. I'm proud of people who bother to get off their backsides and try and make a difference, even if the cause at times may be misguided. I just hope the protestors have brought their cameras to keep an eye on how the police 'control' them.

Brunswicker wrote:
I pay enough tax in one year to pay for the entire police for this protest. I employ over 30 people and yes I do wash. My business is community based and NOT making components to kill people. It is my perfect right to protest and so I will be there (just leaving now).

AJPrince wrote:
I think the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech is one of the many things soldiers died for in the world wars to give us. I'm proud of people who bother to get off their backsides and try and make a difference, even if the cause at times may be misguided. I just hope the protestors have brought their cameras to keep an eye on how the police 'control' them.

TheInsider wrote:
Suffragettes lobbied parliament and many of them were from the upper echelons of society so were able to engage with those with the power to effect change. They did not achieve their aim with violence. And what has a fast food burger chain have in common with EDO and banks? It's utterly bizarre and most people are utterly confused by this campaign. Did McD give away bomb making kits with every Happy Meal? It's all a bit of a disorganised mess.

Fercri Sakes wrote:
To Steeleysmith: I'm not going to be one of these protesters but it's bit ironic to talk about the peaceful Children's Parade when just down the road they are making waepon systems that will be blowing innocent kids up in other parts of the world.

When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it.

So next time you off-handedly judge these people as wasters just think if they are successful in achieving their goals that one day from now some child won't be pulling a shard of metal out of their parent's head with "Made In Brighton" written on it.

Osama bin there wrote:

Tye wrote: My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

I don't know why we don't use it. It's an easy way of dispersing a crowd without causing major injury. I'll never forget the tv pictures of the Belgian police using water cannon against english football hooligans, after they had done their best to wreck a beautiful medieval town centre. The look of pure bewilderment on some fat, lagered up skinhead as he was swept across a plaza on his ar5e by the water cannon was a joy to behold.. And then the big babies accused the belgian police of overreacting! Yep - bring on the water cannon!

getreal1 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

Tye wrote: My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

I don't know why we don't use it. It's an easy way of dispersing a crowd without causing major injury. I'll never forget the tv pictures of the Belgian police using water cannon against english football hooligans, after they had done their best to wreck a beautiful medieval town centre. The look of pure bewilderment on some fat, lagered up skinhead as he was swept across a plaza on his ar5e by the water cannon was a joy to behold.. And then the big babies accused the belgian police of overreacting! Yep - bring on the water cannon!

Osama - those moments were priceless and I never spoke to anyone who thought that these people had had their rights infringed .... just as I doubt I'd speak to anyone who would oppose the use of water cannon save for those who are afraid of it being used against them.

sugarhorse wrote:

AJPrince wrote:
I think the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech is one of the many things soldiers died for in the world wars to give us. I'm proud of people who bother to get off their backsides and try and make a difference, even if the cause at times may be misguided. I just hope the protestors have brought their cameras to keep an eye on how the police 'control' them.

You are right, they gave us the right to peaceful protest.

The key word there is peaceful.

These demonstrations are not peaceful at all. Every time they include damage, humiliation, violence and then these buffoons wonder why they are met with force.

Hopefully the police will be able to push them all up the A23 and let me carry on with what I needed to do today, but now can't.

Number Cruncher wrote:
They have just passed our office in the Old Steine, must have lost a few on their way. Only 10 or so cyclists ringing their bells - hardly a threat to civilisation!

Number Cruncher wrote:
They have just passed our office in the Old Steine, must have lost a few on their way. Only 10 or so cyclists ringing their bells - hardly a threat to civilisation!

Lawson-land wrote:
Can we have some more photos Argus please!

Osama bin there wrote:
And what the flip do the Royal Bank of Scotland have to do with EDO?
I'd love one you protest supporters to explain that one.

Llort wrote:
Some of the comments above make me ashamed to be from B&H. The Argus comments have become dominated by a small group of aggressively minded thugs, whom I presume are just excited to have a platform, when I imagine in real life, away from their computers, they struggle to find an audience. Disperse them with water cannons? Scroungers? Unwashed? Give em a bashing? Those views are a couple of decades out of date. Thankfully, some people out there are still prepared to switch off their computers, go outside and declare what they are for or against. That takes sacrifice and guts. Mayday has long been a day of celebration, solidarity with the downtrodden, and the rights of humanity. Today's events are perfectly in keeping with that, not easy in the face of apathy and those such as the government, the police and clearly some of the minority represented by the regular posters above, who wish to deny those rights. These protesters are part of the rich cultural tapestry of this city, alongside the pier amusements, the art of the Brighton Festival, the music scene and so on. They are not contrary to it.

AJPrince wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:
And what the flip do the Royal Bank of Scotland have to do with EDO?
I'd love one you protest supporters to explain that one.

The protest is also targeting greed and capitalism apparently, which means banks such as RBS - the organisations who have kindly assisted the government in bringing about the recession.

Osama bin there wrote:

Tye wrote:
My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

I don't know why we don't use it. It's an easy way of dispersing a crowd without causing major injury.
I'll never forget the tv pictures of the Belgian police using water cannon against english football hooligans, after they had done their best to wreck a beautiful medieval town centre.
The look of pure bewilderment on some fat, lagered up skinhead as he was swept across a plaza on his ar5e by the water cannon was a joy to behold..
And then the big babies accused the belgian police of overreacting!
Yep - bring on the water cannon!

correction man wrote:
think your reporter may be lost, no Queen Street in Brighton

BN1 wrote:
It's just wall to wall police sirens up here - who's paying for all this policing?

Acheron wrote:
Jo (web editor). Can you post the twitter link so we can follow on that as well (or is it just the same as whats appearing here). Thanks, had a quick look and couldn't find it.

Lil wrote:
I can imagine it now...

Reporter Peter O'Hanra-Hanrahan reports that at least 66 billion residents of the UK have descended into Brighton for a peaceful protest which is currently passing off peacefully.

Peter you've lost the news!

Hohum. Still let's not let a little bit of jumped up hysteria, over-reporting, undue limelight and media enduced frenzy get in the way of the facts...

Osama bin there wrote:

Lil wrote:
I can imagine it now...

Reporter Peter O'Hanra-Hanrahan reports that at least 66 billion residents of the UK have descended into Brighton for a peaceful protest which is currently passing off peacefully.

Peter you've lost the news!

Hohum. Still let's not let a little bit of jumped up hysteria, over-reporting, undue limelight and media enduced frenzy get in the way of the facts...

You're along way away in Worthing, unfortunately I'm quite close and can hear in all kicking off.
There is a mini riot going on whether you want to believe it or not.

Lil wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

Lil wrote:
I can imagine it now...

Reporter Peter O'Hanra-Hanrahan reports that at least 66 billion residents of the UK have descended into Brighton for a peaceful protest which is currently passing off peacefully.

Peter you've lost the news!

Hohum. Still let's not let a little bit of jumped up hysteria, over-reporting, undue limelight and media enduced frenzy get in the way of the facts...

You're along way away in Worthing, unfortunately I'm quite close and can hear in all kicking off.
There is a mini riot going on whether you want to believe it or not.

I'm over at a friends house in Brighton (Carden Ave area) at the moment, although appreciably not that near the central area, I've heard the odd siren but not loads.

Maybe I was a bit too sarcastic but I do feel that too much media coverage on such a protest could glorify it for the next time, and the next time...

Sorry if I offended, but I didn't really word my response that well.

Jo Wadsworth wrote:

Lawson-land wrote:
Can we have some more photos Argus please!

Our photographers are right in the thick of it at the moment. However, we're hoping to get lots through in about half an hour, and then I'll be setting up a gallery to post them all to.

Acheron wrote:
News in - Apparently McD is a target because they own shares in EDO! My dad used to own shares in Marconi, wonder if he's a target!

BN1 wrote:
It was a massive success. There was disruption, chaos and they all got to have another pop at the old bill - let's face it - that's all these "protesters" are interested in doing.

Brightongal86 wrote:

BN1 wrote:
It was a massive success. There was disruption, chaos and they all got to have another pop at the old bill - let's face it - that's all these "protesters" are interested in doing.

I agree its all about the disruption. The more they are disruptive the more they think they are getting the point across!!!!

kabsolution wrote:
Why can't they be less destructive, pool their resources and be proactiven and leave our city alone?!

kabsolution wrote:
Why can't they be less destructive, pool their resources and be proactiven and leave our city alone?!

brightongal2009 wrote:
go home and find a constructive job to do!

ipaymytaxes wrote:
My heart goes out to the residents of Brighton and the innocent protesters and police who will get caught up in this. It will be front page news when some violent tree hugger falls over and claims compensation and brutality. Do people honestly think that this sort of protest does the cause any favours? Decent people do not behave in this way; they should be ashamed.

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

jay316 wrote:

kabsolution wrote:
Why can't they be less destructive, pool their resources and be proactiven and leave our city alone?!

because its not them that have to pay for the damage to be repaired...

I think the police should take the same stance as in China...

The protestors are just **** lucky we don't allow our police to carry guns.

SeanCh wrote:

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

You can say that, but when someone hits you with a bin, or throws a brick into your face your not just going to sit by let it go are you, think about what you say before making yourself look like an idiot, the protestors are lucky the police are restrained so much, because if you treated a normal group of people like that your likely to get you head kicked in. (not me trying to be threatening or violent, its just what would happen)

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

brightongal2009 wrote:
unlike sum i appreciate the fact that i made that money throught my own sweat and blood. i dont live on handouts because that means im usless...almost homeless??? i am homeless and have been for years...living in friends and now with boyfiends family and contributing to the household! i went to the council once but apparently u gotta be pregnant, married or a complete drug or alcahol addict to be eligable for handouts. says alot doesnt it. im just glad i can run my car and have decent cloathes on my back like i should, i work for it. i choose not to be the sufferer who resorts to drugs, alcahol and handouts. hail to the hard workers!

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

SeanCh wrote:

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

I Think some of the protestors are already out moulscoomb way, at the bottom of the road that leads upto the EDO factory, can hear their drums etc... might go take a look

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

Lil wrote:
So what if one of these protesters lobs a missile, it hits an innocent child and leaves them in hospital, wounded or worse? Is that OK?

donitababy wrote:
i would just like to say i don't agree with the protest getting voilent i really enjoyed watching the parade and thought there was a great buzz about it its just a shame some had to spoil it for others there message was a good one there shouldnt be that factory in brighton its wrong
once again its a shame a small minority of people have spoiled that message getting accross by acting in a voilent way

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

ipaymytaxes wrote:

gerardgraphics wrote:
Sit by your barbecues, rub your fat pampered bellies and do what 'the man' tells you. If you don't we will hit you with our truncheons.

WHAT?! I hope that you do not pardon the behaviour demmonstrated by thugs who claim to have a cause? I sincerely hope that nobody you know is injured. Im not having a BBQ, do not have a fat belly and if I was throwing missiles towards a crowd of children I would expect to be hit with a truncheon.

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong.

It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not.

There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps?

Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

Dave At Home wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

Tye wrote: My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

I don't know why we don't use it. It's an easy way of dispersing a crowd without causing major injury. I'll never forget the tv pictures of the Belgian police using water cannon against english football hooligans, after they had done their best to wreck a beautiful medieval town centre. The look of pure bewilderment on some fat, lagered up skinhead as he was swept across a plaza on his ar5e by the water cannon was a joy to behold.. And then the big babies accused the belgian police of overreacting! Yep - bring on the water cannon!

There is only one water cannon in the UK and that is located in Northern Ireland, it has only been brought over to the mainland once for the G8 summit. Maybe we could let some police dogs loose on them and come back a few hours later and see what is left.

Osama bin there wrote:

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong.

It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not.

There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps?

Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

I'll say it just one more time. IT'S NOT AN ARMS FACTORY.
You lot are so indoctrinated, you don't seem to be able to think for yourselves.
An if EDO are the 'real issue' why have the protesters spent the whole of the afternoon disrupting and fighting with police in other parts of the town, and attacking totally unconnected businesses?
No. You can't have it both ways. As usual, logic is not the strong point in any Smash EDO argument.

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

Osama bin there wrote:

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong.

It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not.

There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps?

Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

I'll say it just one more time. IT'S NOT AN ARMS FACTORY.
You lot are so indoctrinated, you don't seem to be able to think for yourselves.
An if EDO are the 'real issue' why have the protesters spent the whole of the afternoon disrupting and fighting with police in other parts of the town, and attacking totally unconnected businesses?
No. You can't have it both ways. As usual, logic is not the strong point in any Smash EDO argument.

ipaymytaxes wrote:

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

Yes, the issue is the arms factory and people are well within their rights to stand up for what they belive - I do not think anybody is doubting that. The real problem is the fact that many protestors are using violence, chaos and the harm of innocent people to try and get a message across. It would appear that many of THESE campaigners are not decent, hard working and respectful people. You cannot prove people wrong if they are intent on causing trouble.

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

princecharles wrote:
The Argus: written by idiots; read by idiots.

princecharles wrote:
The Argus: written by idiots; read by idiots.

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

DWho wrote:

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

Well, frankly, the " active protesters" (aka yobs with no idea of how to conduct themselves in a public place) would shout that, wouldn't they - precisely to try and get their whinging little voices heard...

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

Jo Wadsworth wrote:

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

Wayne, you make a very important point there. I've not included some of the more contentious tweets lasthours is making, because we do have a duty to make sure serious allegations like that are confirmed before reporting them. We cannot prove what he is saying, and so could not defend ourselves against any libel actions. However, we do of course intend following up any allegations once the protest is over.

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

bugmenot wrote:
I say good for SmashEDO. Let's face it, there is no 'good' or 'appropriate' time to protest. You're always going to cause some kind of problems, so you may as well go for the busiest day and get your point across. The police have been violent for too long, they need to know their place. See: g20 protest. People here claim it was stupid to wander into a protest, that may be so but considering he posed no threat, there is no reason he should have been struck down like that. Police are there for the safety of others and themselves. Not to attack bystanders.

TheInsider wrote:
Perhaps if The Argus had its whole news and photo team on the scene we could trust the reporting and you would not have to use reports from unverified sources. Perhaps Newsquest should not have axed so many of its staff.

princecharles wrote:
The Argus: written by idiots; read by idiots.

ipaymytaxes wrote:

bugmenot wrote:
I say good for SmashEDO. Let's face it, there is no 'good' or 'appropriate' time to protest. You're always going to cause some kind of problems, so you may as well go for the busiest day and get your point across. The police have been violent for too long, they need to know their place. See: g20 protest. People here claim it was stupid to wander into a protest, that may be so but considering he posed no threat, there is no reason he should have been struck down like that. Police are there for the safety of others and themselves. Not to attack bystanders.

I repeat my earlier post

'Granted there are a few police who will over step the mark and let the profession down but most reported cases of police brutality are biased and portray criminals as innocent victims. The police are in Brighton to protect the innocent people who always get caught up in this sort of demonstration. I would like to know how the families of injured bystanders and police react when they are hurt -Oh I forgot...front page news is only ever about the human rights of trouble makers. I would never condone excessive police force but gently asking armed protesters to move along whilst playing classical music is also not going to work. If people are determined to cause trouble then they need to deal with the consequences'

ipaymytaxes wrote:

bugmenot wrote:
I say good for SmashEDO. Let's face it, there is no 'good' or 'appropriate' time to protest. You're always going to cause some kind of problems, so you may as well go for the busiest day and get your point across. The police have been violent for too long, they need to know their place. See: g20 protest. People here claim it was stupid to wander into a protest, that may be so but considering he posed no threat, there is no reason he should have been struck down like that. Police are there for the safety of others and themselves. Not to attack bystanders.

I repeat my earlier post

'Granted there are a few police who will over step the mark and let the profession down but most reported cases of police brutality are biased and portray criminals as innocent victims. The police are in Brighton to protect the innocent people who always get caught up in this sort of demonstration. I would like to know how the families of injured bystanders and police react when they are hurt -Oh I forgot...front page news is only ever about the human rights of trouble makers. I would never condone excessive police force but gently asking armed protesters to move along whilst playing classical music is also not going to work. If people are determined to cause trouble then they need to deal with the consequences'

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

drewboy30 wrote:

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

The problem is that these protestors are exactly like that. They present as dirty and unwashed weirdos.

I am glad that the arms factory is here in brighton. If it was not here providing work for people in the city it would in another town or city doing the same. Therefore I do not see the issue that needs resolving.

In an ideal world we would have no need of arms and therefore no need of this sort of protest.

Unfortunately,that is a dream that will never see the light of day. To think otherwise is to be living in cloud cuckhoo land !!

bugmenot wrote:

ipaymytaxes wrote:

bugmenot wrote: I say good for SmashEDO. Let's face it, there is no 'good' or 'appropriate' time to protest. You're always going to cause some kind of problems, so you may as well go for the busiest day and get your point across. The police have been violent for too long, they need to know their place. See: g20 protest. People here claim it was stupid to wander into a protest, that may be so but considering he posed no threat, there is no reason he should have been struck down like that. Police are there for the safety of others and themselves. Not to attack bystanders.

I repeat my earlier post 'Granted there are a few police who will over step the mark and let the profession down but most reported cases of police brutality are biased and portray criminals as innocent victims. The police are in Brighton to protect the innocent people who always get caught up in this sort of demonstration. I would like to know how the families of injured bystanders and police react when they are hurt -Oh I forgot...front page news is only ever about the human rights of trouble makers. I would never condone excessive police force but gently asking armed protesters to move along whilst playing classical music is also not going to work. If people are determined to cause trouble then they need to deal with the consequences'

By your logic, innocent bystanders that are caught up are also trouble makers that the media likes to make human rights stories about. ...Wait what? tl;dr: lern2arguement

ipaymytaxes wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

ipaymytaxes wrote:

bugmenot wrote: I say good for SmashEDO. Let's face it, there is no 'good' or 'appropriate' time to protest. You're always going to cause some kind of problems, so you may as well go for the busiest day and get your point across. The police have been violent for too long, they need to know their place. See: g20 protest. People here claim it was stupid to wander into a protest, that may be so but considering he posed no threat, there is no reason he should have been struck down like that. Police are there for the safety of others and themselves. Not to attack bystanders.

I repeat my earlier post 'Granted there are a few police who will over step the mark and let the profession down but most reported cases of police brutality are biased and portray criminals as innocent victims. The police are in Brighton to protect the innocent people who always get caught up in this sort of demonstration. I would like to know how the families of injured bystanders and police react when they are hurt -Oh I forgot...front page news is only ever about the human rights of trouble makers. I would never condone excessive police force but gently asking armed protesters to move along whilst playing classical music is also not going to work. If people are determined to cause trouble then they need to deal with the consequences'

By your logic, innocent bystanders that are caught up are also trouble makers that the media likes to make human rights stories about. ...Wait what? tl;dr: lern2arguement

Badly interpreted on your part.

Jo Wadsworth wrote:

waynegee wrote:
The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

Wayne, you make a very important point there. I've not included some of the more contentious tweets lasthours is making, because we do have a duty to make sure serious allegations like that are confirmed before reporting them. We cannot prove what he is saying, and so could not defend ourselves against any libel actions. However, we do of course intend following up any allegations once the protest is over.

drewboy30 wrote:

churchst wrote:
If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

The problem is that these protestors are exactly like that. They present as dirty and unwashed weirdos.

I am glad that the arms factory is here in brighton. If it was not here providing work for people in the city it would in another town or city doing the same. Therefore I do not see the issue that needs resolving.

In an ideal world we would have no need of arms and therefore no need of this sort of protest.

Unfortunately,that is a dream that will never see the light of day. To think otherwise is to be living in cloud cuckhoo land !!

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods.

The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

Jim BB wrote:
These so-called protesters are so concerned about people and the environment - then why aren't they recycling their bottles and cans instead of using them as weapons?

Am I the only person to feel that anti-war protesters and their use of weapons don't quite tally?

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods.

The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

my point is if they don't want weapons because they're dangerous and harm people, maybe they shouldn't be playing with dangerous objects in the middle of a crowd, patronising but true

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods.

The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

my point is if they don't want weapons because they're dangerous and harm people, maybe they shouldn't be playing with dangerous objects in the middle of a crowd, patronising but true

A flare is a simple piece of pyrotechnics equipment. It is not different from a firework or a sparkler, just light and noise. How many people do you see letting children as young as 3 hold sparklers?

dazv88 wrote:
Throwing bottles, bricks, setting off flares what a peacefull protest. Can not wait for these vagrant anarchists to leave, have a bath, hair cut and a shave !!!

ipaymytaxes wrote:

waynegee wrote: The reporter here is quoting twitter.com/lasthour s (often w/o full credit) on arrests and king prawn, but refuses to mention lasthour's reports or allegations of police violence. Please provide more thorough reporting. Police violence is one of the biggest issues in the UK right now!

Granted there are a few police who will over step the mark and let the profession down but most reported cases of police brutality are biased and portray criminals as innocent victims. The police are in Brighton to protect the innocent people who always get caught up in this sort of demonstration. I would like to know how the families of injured bystanders and police react when they are hurt -Oh I forgot...front page news is only ever about the human rights of trouble makers. I would never condone excessive police force but gently asking armed protesters to move along whilst playing classical music is also not going to work. If people are determined to cause trouble then they need to deal with the consequences.

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote: An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods. The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods.

The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

my point is if they don't want weapons because they're dangerous and harm people, maybe they shouldn't be playing with dangerous objects in the middle of a crowd, patronising but true

A flare is a simple piece of pyrotechnics equipment. It is not different from a firework or a sparkler, just light and noise. How many people do you see letting children as young as 3 hold sparklers?

can't you just take the concept of the paragraph instead of just the flare. figure of speaking is what it is.

SimonS wrote:
Good to see you're allowed to get away with shouting in the streets, closing roads, climbing on buildings, attacking the police with misiles and bins and closing half of the city if you call it a 'protest'.

SimonS wrote:
Good to see you're allowed to get away with shouting in the streets, closing roads, climbing on buildings, attacking the police with misiles and bins and closing half of the city if you call it a 'protest'.

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote:
An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods.

The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

my point is if they don't want weapons because they're dangerous and harm people, maybe they shouldn't be playing with dangerous objects in the middle of a crowd, patronising but true

A flare is a simple piece of pyrotechnics equipment. It is not different from a firework or a sparkler, just light and noise. How many people do you see letting children as young as 3 hold sparklers?

can't you just take the concept of the paragraph instead of just the flare. figure of speaking is what it is.

In other words, I think you meant to say, "You have proven that I am wrong, but for the sake of my pride and my weak argument I will instead go on to argue about semantics.

DWho wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote: An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods. The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

I quite agree. they could throw it up in the air and then shout "whoosh! Bang! RED!"

Red flares are also a metaphor for a moron who can't express a valid opinion without the need to let off what's basically a firework in an occupied public area to show how "safe and outspoken" they are.

Have a nice day.

garnat wrote:
Anyone supporting these idiots is no better than the protesters causing damage in the City. This is a pointless and ill informed protest, there is not a weapons factory in Brighton. Some small electrical components might be used in weapons manufacture, just as many other commodity electrical items make it into weapons systems. Suggest you 'supporters' throw your PC out of the window right now as there are also intel chips in weapons systems.

green-griffin wrote:

garnat wrote:
Anyone supporting these idiots is no better than the protesters causing damage in the City. This is a pointless and ill informed protest, there is not a weapons factory in Brighton. Some small electrical components might be used in weapons manufacture, just as many other commodity electrical items make it into weapons systems. Suggest you 'supporters' throw your PC out of the window right now as there are also intel chips in weapons systems.

no, apparently there is a weapons factory near wild park. might be why the police thought the protesters would be near moulscomb

bugmenot wrote:

DWho wrote:

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote: An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods. The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

I quite agree. they could throw it up in the air and then shout "whoosh! Bang! RED!"

Red flares are also a metaphor for a moron who can't express a valid opinion without the need to let off what's basically a firework in an occupied public area to show how "safe and outspoken" they are.

Have a nice day.

I fail to see the correlation between a red flare and a so called 'moron'. Maybe you should work on your metaphors and stop trying to 'win' an argument with unfunny remarks. Your statement holds no logic.

Osama bin there wrote:
can anyone explain to me what connection the pier has to edo? Its been attacked and damaged. Or maybe just mindless violence maybe?

Osama bin there wrote:
can anyone explain to me what connection the pier has to edo? Its been attacked and damaged. Or maybe just mindless violence maybe?

dazv88 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:
can anyone explain to me what connection the pier has to edo? Its been attacked and damaged. Or maybe just mindless violence maybe?

theres no connection unless someone who works at edo used to work there or knows someone who worked there, its just mindless violence by a group of hippies

bugmenot wrote:

steveP2009 wrote: An anti-weapon protester shooting flares in a public place by the pier?! This is the story of the anti-capitalist selling whistles for a pound each at G20 protest all over again! These are clearly young, naive thick idiots (who don't even know what the factory actually is or don't know what the word capitalism actually means) who got nothing better to do than constantly try and make polices and the government look bad, while the tax payers feed and shelter them, I find it shameful to think they're the same generation as me. I say send them off to Robert Mugabe's government and see what they really think of our country now.

Where does it say they shot flares? There is more than one way to set off a flare, clearly you're ignorant to any other methods. The red flare could be seen as a metaphor for communism, an ideology that would do alot of good to many of the commenters here. There's no violence in such an action, it's simply making a point in a safe and outspoken manner.

jay316 wrote:

dazv88 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:
can anyone explain to me what connection the pier has to edo? Its been attacked and damaged. Or maybe just mindless violence maybe?

theres no connection unless someone who works at edo used to work there or knows someone who worked there, its just mindless violence by a group of hippies

As this is what is the problem.. I don't think anyone has an issue with protests, as long as they are peaceful. We all have our views and have a legal right to express them.

sugarhorse wrote:

jay316 wrote:

dazv88 wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:
can anyone explain to me what connection the pier has to edo? Its been attacked and damaged. Or maybe just mindless violence maybe?

theres no connection unless someone who works at edo used to work there or knows someone who worked there, its just mindless violence by a group of hippies

As this is what is the problem.. I don't think anyone has an issue with protests, as long as they are peaceful. We all have our views and have a legal right to express them.

Spot on Jay316.
Well said!

SimonS wrote:
Are they even a 'weapons factory' I thoguht they just made parts for them? Surely that's a bit like saying a field of wheat is a bread factory.

churchst wrote:
The Argus seems to have a relatively neutral approach to today's reporting, but judging by the comments on this page, they have to appease there target audience. Which, with all due respect, seem to be ignorant of the issues. My problem is the front page picture, which speaks a million words. It's obvious where the paper stands and with whom.

churchst wrote:

drewboy30 wrote:

churchst wrote: If you want to vent your anger about how your bank holiday has been messed up.... prove the protesters wrong. It's interesting that most of the vitriolic posts here are personal accusations about the cleanliness of the protesters or the whether they have a job or not. There is a real issue here, and it's about a arms factory in your neighborhood. Why not talk about that, maybe even try to resolve it? Prove the protesters wrong perhaps? Or is it easier just call to call them names....?

The problem is that these protestors are exactly like that. They present as dirty and unwashed weirdos. I am glad that the arms factory is here in brighton. If it was not here providing work for people in the city it would in another town or city doing the same. Therefore I do not see the issue that needs resolving. In an ideal world we would have no need of arms and therefore no need of this sort of protest. Unfortunately,that is a dream that will never see the light of day. To think otherwise is to be living in cloud cuckhoo land !!

Picking on a sub-group of the protesters to define all the protesters present in Brighton today is short sighted. There were parents, children, pensioners as well as the'unwashed' types. There are lot of young protesters out today, masked up, being provocative, probably drinking too much, and just because they make the most noise, cause the biggest scene doesn't mean they speak for all. The people who marched today come from many places. Not just one. It's too easy to put them all in the same pigeon hole. Shutting down the factory in Brighton would be a symbolic victory. Of course it would just move somewhere else perhaps, but that's not really the point is it. Try think outside the big mac box.

brightongrappler wrote:
give the cops live ammunition and there wont be a problem with the soap dodgers. its very simple

brightongrappler wrote:
give the cops live ammunition and there wont be a problem with the soap dodgers. its very simple

DWho wrote:

churchst wrote:
The Argus seems to have a relatively neutral approach to today's reporting, but judging by the comments on this page, they have to appease there target audience. Which, with all due respect, seem to be ignorant of the issues. My problem is the front page picture, which speaks a million words. It's obvious where the paper stands and with whom.

issues brought up by today:

name: "smash EDO"
issue: EDO not smashed; various other parts of Brighton, and some poor lady's face smashed instead.

name: "protester"
issue: complete failure to distance themselves from the violent loutish behaviour started by a few inane individuals and conduct themselves in a proper manner.

name: "police violence"
issue: Police (whom I have been watching for the afternoon) very restrained and to be applauded, especially with the baiting tactics of "protesters" (see issue 2) and with Police personnel being the subjects of violence and attacks themselves.

How am I doing so far?

loque77 wrote:
Why dont these protesters make their voices count by putting a face to their voice. Whats with people covering up their faces and running battles with the police? These people need to learn how to have an effective protest that promotes their cause and doesn't just annoy everyone.

brightonneil wrote:
having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

Juliet Bravo wrote:

loque77 wrote:
Why dont these protesters make their voices count by putting a face to their voice. Whats with people covering up their faces and running battles with the police? These people need to learn how to have an effective protest that promotes their cause and doesn't just annoy everyone.

Funny, isn't it, how they're so keen for the police to be individually identifiable.

getreal1 wrote:
"5.50pm - Protestors dance on pier roof as police back off.
Police have stepped back to avoid confrontation with protesters" If I stand on the roof of the cop shop tomorrow to complain about the soft handling of the demo, including allowing criminal damage to occur, will the police bottle it/back off to avoid confrontation with me. No. Given the number shipped in today, the job should have been done better.

bibble wrote:
What a bunch on moaning minnies most commentators are. If you are happy having a bomb-part making factory on your doorsteps and don't do anything about it, you'll have to put up with people who are not so docile.

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

maxiboy wrote:
Great Britain means growing our own food, making cars, trains etc. To defend our island we need to make our own weapons too. I pity these worthless vermin who make out they are doing good with their protest. But to put it bluntly they would make good cannon fodder for our troops training on Sailsbury plain.

Cookie83 wrote:
For people who seem to be protesting for peace, they don't seem very peaceful!Was just at the Pier and all I saw was a bunch of drunk hangry kids jumping around, disrupting peoples' lives..That will get their point through I'm sure...And a lot of support as well!!!

Tye wrote:
My only other question is why oh why do British Police NOT use water cannon in the same way as the rest of Europe

would a **** good wash infringe the uman rites of these scum - funny how we brits are about the only followers of this damned stupid EU regulation

spuldge wrote:
When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

bibble wrote:

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

Articles 10 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into English law, completely trumps any mistaken ideas you may have about "illegal gatherings".

There is a RIGHT to gather, not just a freedom to do so.

jay316 wrote:

getreal1 wrote: "5.50pm - Protestors dance on pier roof as police back off. Police have stepped back to avoid confrontation with protesters" If I stand on the roof of the cop shop tomorrow to complain about the soft handling of the demo, including allowing criminal damage to occur, will the police bottle it/back off to avoid confrontation with me. No. Given the number shipped in today, the job should have been done better.

The police did the right thing in backing away.. If somebody fell from that roof, then the police would have more problems. Its called not putting fuel on the fire. These few protestors are in one place, which is controlable.. and right by a cctv camera. So the police can deal with those involved at a later date. And the owner of the stand can if need be press charged for Criminal Damage.

jay316 wrote:

Cookie83 wrote:
For people who seem to be protesting for peace, they don't seem very peaceful!Was just at the Pier and all I saw was a bunch of drunk hangry kids jumping around, disrupting peoples' lives..That will get their point through I'm sure...And a lot of support as well!!!

Look how much media coverage they will get !!

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote:
When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote.

Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

Osama bin there wrote:

bibble wrote:

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

Articles 10 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into English law, completely trumps any mistaken ideas you may have about "illegal gatherings". There is a RIGHT to gather, not just a freedom to do so.

Could you show me the statute, in law, that allows violent protest and distruction of property? Thought not. As someone else so eloquently put it - f**k off back to London.

getreal1 wrote:

jay316 wrote:

getreal1 wrote: "5.50pm - Protestors dance on pier roof as police back off. Police have stepped back to avoid confrontation with protesters" If I stand on the roof of the cop shop tomorrow to complain about the soft handling of the demo, including allowing criminal damage to occur, will the police bottle it/back off to avoid confrontation with me. No. Given the number shipped in today, the job should have been done better.

The police did the right thing in backing away.. If somebody fell from that roof, then the police would have more problems. Its called not putting fuel on the fire. These few protestors are in one place, which is controlable.. and right by a cctv camera. So the police can deal with those involved at a later date. And the owner of the stand can if need be press charged for Criminal Damage.

A point well made Jay but the reality is that unless an extremely serious offence, well beyond criminal damage, is committed, I do not believe that the police would bother at a later date. The owners of property defaced or vandalised will be advised that it's not worth it, told to claim from their insurance company and think themselves lucky that it wasn't worse.

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

s8814548 wrote:
It surprizes me that a defence company can't deal with some vermin. These vermin were prepaired to damage business and attack inocent people. And I understand from Reuters were chanting give us our streets back. Which is funny when they arn't from brighton.

Why didn't edo help the police and supply a few stinger missles to help deal with these protesters. And if they don't like our country they can leave they always have that choice.

David

DWho wrote:

churchst wrote:
The Argus seems to have a relatively neutral approach to today's reporting, but judging by the comments on this page, they have to appease there target audience. Which, with all due respect, seem to be ignorant of the issues. My problem is the front page picture, which speaks a million words. It's obvious where the paper stands and with whom.

issues brought up by today:

name: "smash EDO"
issue: EDO not smashed; various other parts of Brighton, and some poor lady's face smashed instead.

name: "protester"
issue: complete failure to distance themselves from the violent loutish behaviour started by a few inane individuals and conduct themselves in a proper manner.

name: "police violence"
issue: Police (whom I have been watching for the afternoon) very restrained and to be applauded, especially with the baiting tactics of "protesters" (see issue 2) and with Police personnel being the subjects of violence and attacks themselves.

How am I doing so far?

bibble wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

bibble wrote:

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

Articles 10 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into English law, completely trumps any mistaken ideas you may have about "illegal gatherings". There is a RIGHT to gather, not just a freedom to do so.

Could you show me the statute, in law, that allows violent protest and distruction of property? Thought not. As someone else so eloquently put it - f**k off back to London.

Will you please stop using your foul language? What is wrong with you? If some people are beiong violent that does NOT take away the rights of other people to demonstrate. When you have fully digested and understood that you may rejoin the real world.

jay316 wrote:

s8814548 wrote:
It surprizes me that a defence company can't deal with some vermin. These vermin were prepaired to damage business and attack inocent people. And I understand from Reuters were chanting give us our streets back. Which is funny when they arn't from brighton.

Why didn't edo help the police and supply a few stinger missles to help deal with these protesters. And if they don't like our country they can leave they always have that choice.

David

Because they don't make missles.. they make parts for missles.. same as intel make CPUS :)

bibble wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

bibble wrote:

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

Articles 10 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into English law, completely trumps any mistaken ideas you may have about "illegal gatherings". There is a RIGHT to gather, not just a freedom to do so.

Could you show me the statute, in law, that allows violent protest and distruction of property? Thought not. As someone else so eloquently put it - f**k off back to London.

Will you please stop using your foul language? What is wrong with you?

If some people are beiong violent that does NOT take away the rights of other people to demonstrate. When you have fully digested and understood that you may rejoin the real world.

brightoncore wrote:
I am not surprised at the conservative contingent here in Brighton. Having been born and bred in Brighton this influx of wealthy Bourgeois only seeks to whittle out the Bohemian heart of Brighton which I think is now sadly dead. Listening to a wealthy family in a pub talking about how they were planning to buy another property in London while on another table people were worried about jobs clearly provided me with a classic example of how the pubs, attitudes and people in Brighton are now more like Surrey conservatives than the greater 'left' leaning of real Brightonians over the years. After being sniped at by the father of this family (who is a day trader, and to which he wanted to tell everyone in a very loud voice how much stock he was dealing in) in the pub as being ‘not a local’ and taking his ‘favorite spot’, I feel my anger burning at these usurpers of Brighton who’s money and attitudes are killing its creative heart. Police powers have now gone too far, liberty and your rights are at threat, but for the Daily Mail (and Argus Readers) images such as those on this website and the coverage will only fuel anger at what are a small minority of people who are doing what many of us are too hypocritical or scared to do. So I guess you people didn’t realise that the Bankers have caused more damage to this country than any terrorist has ever done, they are the one’s who are traitors. Over half a trillion debt, and they walk scot free. Get your priorities right and don’t believe conservative backed newspapers, go see for yourself.

churchst wrote:

jay316 wrote:

s8814548 wrote:
It surprizes me that a defence company can't deal with some vermin. These vermin were prepaired to damage business and attack inocent people. And I understand from Reuters were chanting give us our streets back. Which is funny when they arn't from brighton.

Why didn't edo help the police and supply a few stinger missles to help deal with these protesters. And if they don't like our country they can leave they always have that choice.

David

Because they don't make missles.. they make parts for missles.. same as intel make CPUS :)

Maybe the protesters feel as patriotic as you do. Maybe they feel responsible for the UK as a whole and not just the city/town they live in.

Maybe they didn't attack innocent people, maybe you made that up.

Maybe you just an angry old man.

Osama bin there wrote:

bibble wrote:

Osama bin there wrote:

bibble wrote:

jay316 wrote:

brightonneil wrote: having seen the videos and read the comments surely the "partygoers"as poor misguided marina pepper calls them are liable to be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace?

section 5 public order at least, possibly Afray. But surely as the organisers didn't supply information (and I thought any lawful protest had to be sorted with police) as required.. this could be seens as an unlawful gathering.. Maybe there are some lawyers on line that can clarify this.!!

Articles 10 and 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into English law, completely trumps any mistaken ideas you may have about "illegal gatherings". There is a RIGHT to gather, not just a freedom to do so.

Could you show me the statute, in law, that allows violent protest and distruction of property? Thought not. As someone else so eloquently put it - f**k off back to London.

Will you please stop using your foul language? What is wrong with you? If some people are beiong violent that does NOT take away the rights of other people to demonstrate. When you have fully digested and understood that you may rejoin the real world.

I was quoting someone else, and am still waiting for you to quote the chapter and verse on the legal statute that allows violent protest.

brightoncore wrote:
I am not surprised at the conservative contingent here in Brighton. Having been born and bred in Brighton this influx of wealthy Bourgeois only seeks to whittle out the Bohemian heart of Brighton which I think is now sadly dead. Listening to a wealthy family in a pub talking about how they were planning to buy another property in London while on another table people were worried about jobs clearly provided me with a classic example of how the pubs, attitudes and people in Brighton are now more like Surrey conservatives than the greater 'left' leaning of real Brightonians over the years. After being sniped at by the father of this family (who is a day trader, and to which he wanted to tell everyone in a very loud voice how much stock he was dealing in) in the pub as being ‘not a local’ and taking his ‘favorite spot’, I feel my anger burning at these usurpers of Brighton who’s money and attitudes are killing its creative heart. Police powers have now gone too far, liberty and your rights are at threat, but for the Daily Mail (and Argus Readers) images such as those on this website and the coverage will only fuel anger at what are a small minority of people who are doing what many of us are too hypocritical or scared to do. So I guess you people didn’t realise that the Bankers have caused more damage to this country than any terrorist has ever done, they are the one’s who are traitors. Over half a trillion debt, and they walk scot free. Get your priorities right and don’t believe conservative backed newspapers, go see for yourself.

Stu wrote:
It's extremely sad to see other people's property damaged by so called grown adults acting like children.

By all means protest but please don't come back again cos we aren't interested in your cause here.

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things.

Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

brightoncore wrote:
I am not surprised at the conservative contingent here in Brighton. Having been born and bred in Brighton this influx of wealthy Bourgeois only seeks to whittle out the Bohemian heart of Brighton which I think is now sadly dead.
Listening to a wealthy family in a pub talking about how they were planning to buy another property in London while on another table people were worried about jobs clearly provided me with a classic example of how the pubs, attitudes and people in Brighton are now more like Surrey conservatives than the greater 'left' leaning of real Brightonians over the years. After being sniped at by the father of this family (who is a day trader, and to which he wanted to tell everyone in a very loud voice how much stock he was dealing in) in the pub as being ‘not a local’ and taking his ‘favorite spot’, I feel my anger burning at these usurpers of Brighton who’s money and attitudes are killing its creative heart.
Police powers have now gone too far, liberty and your rights are at threat, but for the Daily Mail (and Argus Readers) images such as those on this website and the coverage will only fuel anger at what are a small minority of people who are doing what many of us are too hypocritical or scared to do.
So I guess you people didn’t realise that the Bankers have caused more damage to this country than any terrorist has ever done, they are the one’s who are traitors. Over half a trillion debt, and they walk scot free. Get your priorities right and don’t believe conservative backed newspapers, go see for yourself.

Stu wrote:
It's extremely sad to see other people's property damaged by so called grown adults acting like children. By all means protest but please don't come back again cos we aren't interested in your cause here.

churchst wrote:

jay316 wrote:

s8814548 wrote: It surprizes me that a defence company can't deal with some vermin. These vermin were prepaired to damage business and attack inocent people. And I understand from Reuters were chanting give us our streets back. Which is funny when they arn't from brighton. Why didn't edo help the police and supply a few stinger missles to help deal with these protesters. And if they don't like our country they can leave they always have that choice. David

Because they don't make missles.. they make parts for missles.. same as intel make CPUS :)

Maybe the protesters feel as patriotic as you do. Maybe they feel responsible for the UK as a whole and not just the city/town they live in. Maybe they didn't attack innocent people, maybe you made that up. Maybe you just an angry old man.

jay316 wrote:

churchst wrote:

jay316 wrote:

s8814548 wrote:
It surprizes me that a defence company can't deal with some vermin. These vermin were prepaired to damage business and attack inocent people. And I understand from Reuters were chanting give us our streets back. Which is funny when they arn't from brighton.

Why didn't edo help the police and supply a few stinger missles to help deal with these protesters. And if they don't like our country they can leave they always have that choice.

David

Because they don't make missles.. they make parts for missles.. same as intel make CPUS :)

Maybe the protesters feel as patriotic as you do. Maybe they feel responsible for the UK as a whole and not just the city/town they live in.

Maybe they didn't attack innocent people, maybe you made that up.

Maybe you just an angry old man.

Where did I say they attacked innocent people. !!!!!!!??????!!!!!!

bibble wrote:

Stu wrote: It's extremely sad to see other people's property damaged by so called grown adults acting like children. By all means protest but please don't come back again cos we aren't interested in your cause here.

Perhaps if you saw the damage caused by the bombs release by EDO-made components you would change your tune.

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

bibble wrote:

Stu wrote:
It's extremely sad to see other people's property damaged by so called grown adults acting like children. By all means protest but please don't come back again cos we aren't interested in your cause here.

Perhaps if you saw the damage caused by the bombs release by EDO-made components you would change your tune.

bibble wrote:

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

Alas, you just don't get it. Whatever you think your entitlements are to a quiet and peaceful life, there is a RIGHT to protest. You will just have to put up with it. It's too bad you disagree with it, but there is nothing to stop you having a protest either. It's for your good as well as other protestors. Who is to say that you are right and they are wrong?

Do you deny that EDO makes bomb-release components? Yes or no?

As far as I can see this is very much about EDO. The violence and intimidation appears to be coming from the police, not the protestors.

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles


Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

brightonneil wrote:

bibble wrote:

Stu wrote: It's extremely sad to see other people's property damaged by so called grown adults acting like children. By all means protest but please don't come back again cos we aren't interested in your cause here.

Perhaps if you saw the damage caused by the bombs release by EDO-made components you would change your tune.

bible as i pointed out before edo are entitled by law to make whatever they like as long as it is legal.the behaviour of the protesters was not legal, you talk a load of rubbish and are not even local.

churchst wrote:

DWho wrote:

churchst wrote: The Argus seems to have a relatively neutral approach to today's reporting, but judging by the comments on this page, they have to appease there target audience. Which, with all due respect, seem to be ignorant of the issues. My problem is the front page picture, which speaks a million words. It's obvious where the paper stands and with whom.

issues brought up by today: name: "smash EDO" issue: EDO not smashed; various other parts of Brighton, and some poor lady's face smashed instead. name: "protester" issue: complete failure to distance themselves from the violent loutish behaviour started by a few inane individuals and conduct themselves in a proper manner. name: "police violence" issue: Police (whom I have been watching for the afternoon) very restrained and to be applauded, especially with the baiting tactics of "protesters" (see issue 2) and with Police personnel being the subjects of violence and attacks themselves. How am I doing so far?

Not very good. Your points are reactionary and incoherent. Maybe it's all the preservatives and E numbers in your 'Big Tasty® with Bacon'

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

brightoncore wrote:
Hehe that's a but incoherent (getting angry).

What I meant was that the 'poll tax' was a drop in the ocean compared to the outrages of the Bankers actions.

Just remember at least half a trillion gone and we have foot the bill and the economic fallout not the rich.

yearman wrote:
I am not a long haired herbert etc but a good middle class teacher and the only aggression i witnessed was from the large amount of police. the use of horses was over the top as the protesters were carrying out a very well behaved legal protest.

brightoncore wrote:
More property is damaged as a result of students in the town more than anyone, I suppose you should close the Universities. Obviously not as its a tiny minority of students. The point is even though some tiny minority resort to violence their point is valid, and you should be ashamed at not protesting not just against the military linked company (which I think is less important) than the obscene Banker fraud which has scammed our children out of a secure future. No just sit there and complain and let the rich and elite suck the life out of you, your family and your friends. It sickens me that not only the coverage but also the reactions are completely out of proportion related to the true exploitation you have all been exposed to. But hey let's not rock the boat eh? No revolution here please, we are 'British'.

churchst wrote:

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles



Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Ever been to Gaza when it gets dangerous there.

With missiles raining down killing families, missiles with components that are made in your city...

...and you talk of wheelie bins, broken lights and graffiti?

Truly Disgraceful.

churchst wrote:

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles



Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Ever been to Gaza when it gets dangerous there.

With missiles raining down killing families, missiles with components that are made in your city...

...and you talk of wheelie bins, broken lights and graffiti?

Truly Disgraceful.

churchst wrote:

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles



Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Ever been to Gaza when it gets dangerous there.

With missiles raining down killing families, missiles with components that are made in your city...

...and you talk of wheelie bins, broken lights and graffiti?

Truly Disgraceful.

ipaymytaxes wrote:

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

Quote Bibble: 'Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust' I am shocked at your attitude. There is nothing that excuses violence. If your statement is correct then you also fully support terroists, football hooligans and war. All fuelled by people who use violence, malice and crime as an excuse for things they supposedly support/believe in. Disgusting.

brightonneil wrote:

yearman wrote:
I am not a long haired herbert etc but a good middle class teacher and the only aggression i witnessed was from the large amount of police. the use of horses was over the top as the protesters were carrying out a very well behaved legal protest.

if the organisers had coperated with the police they would have known what reponse to make as they didnt they had to ensure that there was an adequate response available if needed.Take that up with the organisers and p**s off back to worthing

bibble wrote:

ipaymytaxes wrote:

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

Quote Bibble: 'Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust' I am shocked at your attitude. There is nothing that excuses violence. If your statement is correct then you also fully support terroists, football hooligans and war. All fuelled by people who use violence, malice and crime as an excuse for things they supposedly support/believe in. Disgusting.

Actually there is plenty that excuses violence.

Would Hitler have stopped without being treated to a lot of violence in the form of invading armies? No. Would Napoleon have been stopped with words? No, it took armies.

There is little difference between violence on the part of a state when it it is "necessary", and violence from protestors when it is "necessary".

I will not condemn violence from protestors when they are acting against a violent organisation. Nor will I condemn protestors who use violence to protect themselves from police brutality.

SimonS wrote:

churchst wrote:

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles




Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Ever been to Gaza when it gets dangerous there.

With missiles raining down killing families, missiles with components that are made in your city...

...and you talk of wheelie bins, broken lights and graffiti?

Truly Disgraceful.

Oh, was that the point they were trying to make today? I just thought they wanted a good old ruck in the city and to antagonise police.

churchst wrote:

brightonneil wrote:

yearman wrote: I am not a long haired herbert etc but a good middle class teacher and the only aggression i witnessed was from the large amount of police. the use of horses was over the top as the protesters were carrying out a very well behaved legal protest.

if the organisers had coperated with the police they would have known what reponse to make as they didnt they had to ensure that there was an adequate response available if needed.Take that up with the organisers and p**s off back to worthing

So brightonneil agrees the police we're violent, but had the protesters been more co-operative it wouldn't have been like that....??? Unprovable vitriol targeted at a genuine statement from a schoolteacher. My prediction is more protesters were violently assaulted today than police or bystanders.

Bog Vern wrote:
Bibble Answer the point I raised at 741pm NOW - GIVE ME EVIDENCE THAT THE POLICE were the protagonists of violence and intimidation here today!! Or are you avoiding the question???? I want SPECIFICS not throw away remarks. FACTS please.

sugarhorse wrote:

churchst wrote:

SimonS wrote:
The police win the moral battle here. It's unfortunate that more arrests weren't made, but I can see why they weren't as that could have provoked violence, and would have achieved nothing as the protesters would have taken police off the street to deal with them, only to be let off anyway.

So, 'a minority' of protestors have today:

Graffitied on a police van
Swarmed around a police van and rocked it dangerously
Pelted police with bottles/cans/misiles




Tried ramming police lines with wheely bins
Clambered on buildings, breaking signs/lights
Injured someone by throwing some object
Closed most of Brighton off during what should have been a busy tourist weekend

Also, if the majority are not trouble-makers, why are the majority wearing balaclavas or scarves across their faces?

Disgraceful.

Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Ever been to Gaza when it gets dangerous there.

With missiles raining down killing families, missiles with components that are made in your city...

...and you talk of wheelie bins, broken lights and graffiti?

Truly Disgraceful.

Idiot

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

ipaymytaxes wrote:

Bog Vern wrote:

bibble wrote:

stickman wrote:

bibble wrote:

spuldge wrote: When the Suffragettes protested in this country they were also outcast by society and the media and look what eventually happened, women got the vote. They had to break a few windows and be very 'antisocial' to do it." No, it was not the actions of the Suffragettes that won the vote for women. It was the vital role that women played in the War effort that made the establishment recognise their role in society and so led to a change in attitude, which led in turn to the vote being given to women. Violence just leads to more violence. These so-called protestors perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms. Who was it who said "you never solve a problem with the same mind-set that created the problem.

You are completely mistaken about the role of sufragettes and the vote for women. It was precisely due to their non-peaceful demonstrations that women got the vote. Your point about how these protestors "perpetuate a violent society, and with it the creation of arms" is also a load of rubbish. Does it not strike you as odd that the protestors, and indeed society at large, do not have arms but the "forces of law and order" do? THEY, that is the police, the "authorities", the government, parliament, are afraid of Joe Public. Make no mistake, the police will shoot you if you are unarmed and they will get away with it.

No - you're wrong. The suffragettes backed off during WW1 and used peaceful protest only. Women then proved themselves in the war and won the vote that way. Violent acts only provoke a natural reaction against them, read these comments if you dont believe me, and never succeed in a democracy.

It is you who is wrong. You've obviously been reading a goody-two-shoes version of history where everything is milk and honey if only people ask nicely for things. Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust.

Bibble, Your comments are ill thought out, factually incorrect and provocative. Whatever the circumstances of this 'protest' and the freedom of people to protest, what about those who don't want to protest and merely wish to live their life in a normal, well meaning way? Why should they be expected to have their lives compromised by these selfish self serving publicists who are disguising this 'protest' in order to fit into their anarchistic, violent and destructive political objectives. Grow up and realise that this is not about the EDO factory, this is about violence, intimidation and anarchy. Stop reading goody-two-shoes versions of EDO and start thinking in a more mature, real world and realistic manner.

Quote Bibble: 'Violent protests are, in my view, fully justified if the system they are rebelling or demonstrating about is in itself bad or violent or unjust' I am shocked at your attitude. There is nothing that excuses violence. If your statement is correct then you also fully support terroists, football hooligans and war. All fuelled by people who use violence, malice and crime as an excuse for things they supposedly support/believe in. Disgusting.

Actually there is plenty that excuses violence. Would Hitler have stopped without being treated to a lot of violence in the form of invading armies? No. Would Napoleon have been stopped with words? No, it took armies. There is little difference between violence on the part of a state when it it is "necessary", and violence from protestors when it is "necessary". I will not condemn violence from protestors when they are acting against a violent organisation. Nor will I condemn protestors who use violence to protect themselves from police brutality.

Great response but violence from Hitler was met by violence against Hitler i.e. they got to the heart of the problem. The Allies didn't get drunk and smash up the nearest ice cream shop. Whilst all this is going on there is fragile peace right now in Gaza - I want to see Western and Middle Eastern governments working hard to build on it and then it really doesn't matter what EDO makes because there will never be an opportunity to use them.

bibble wrote:

Bog Vern wrote:
Bibble Answer the point I raised at 741pm NOW - GIVE ME EVIDENCE THAT THE POLICE were the protagonists of violence and intimidation here today!! Or are you avoiding the question???? I want SPECIFICS not throw away remarks. FACTS please.

I feel no compulsion to answer your questions put in such an impertinent manner, but I will do so.

Perhaps you haven't been keeping up with the news, but the police have been carefully briefing against this legal demonstration for the last few weeks. They have complained that the "organisers" would not meet with them, and that they would be on the lookout for "ringleaders".

Even the chief constable was moved to warn his officers to behave. All this strongly suggests very strongly that there are thuggish elements in his force, and that some of them are looking for trouble.

Every time I see a policeman on a horse with a riot helmet I cannot help but think of Planet of the Apes, and the apes on horses were the oppressors. Today there were quite a few police on horses, leaving their dropppings all over the place (is it legal for a horse to foul the public highway - probably, but I'm asking as I don't know).

Outside McDonalds there was evidence of thuggery. Let's see what comes out in the wash. By that I mean photography by members of the public and not the now-instantly-discre

dited official reports from the police.

mummy of 2 wrote:
I'm new at this so bear with me, but I'm really outraged by today's protests. I am from Brighton, born and bred, and although I was aware of the protests today, I made the decision to continue to support my town and take my children, 18 months and 4, into town for lunch and a visit to the sea life centre. I too had thought this protest was meant to be peaceful, but I and my 2 small children were petrified as we left the sea life centre at tea time today. I'm all for freedom of speech, but surely I, as a Brighton resident, have the freedom to take my kids out without feeling intimidated, and dealing with questions from my eldest like why are these people pushing the police? The police have a job to do, many are taken away from what they should be doing to deal with days like this- ie my friend who works in child protection. Surely the time these protesters have spent today- if they are genuine- would be better spent writing to MP's etc. The majority of protesters I saw were either students who sounded as though they didn't have a clue why they were there, and crusties on benefits, who moan about capitalism, but seem more than happy to take the benefits that tax payers, and indeed these corporate capitalist companies, pay for! Sorry to go on but I am one of the few that is from Brighton and hate to see mindless people tring to destroy what should have been a busy and vibrant day in our beautiful city.

brightonneil wrote:
bibble you are confusing democracy and anarchy

brightonneil wrote:

churchst wrote:

brightonneil wrote:

yearman wrote: I am not a long haired herbert etc but a good middle class teacher and the only aggression i witnessed was from the large amount of police. the use of horses was over the top as the protesters were carrying out a very well behaved legal protest.

if the organisers had coperated with the police they would have known what reponse to make as they didnt they had to ensure that there was an adequate response available if needed.Take that up with the organisers and p**s off back to worthing

So brightonneil agrees the police we're violent, but had the protesters been more co-operative it wouldn't have been like that....??? Unprovable vitriol targeted at a genuine statement from a schoolteacher. My prediction is more protesters were violently assaulted today than police or bystanders.

i didnt see any police violence, and i didnt say i had i was in town i saw protesters throwimg rocks at ncdonalds windows and heard lots of abusive shouting and vitriol coming from the protesters, not the police(who i dont particularly like having fallen foulm of them several times previously). just because someone is a schoolteacher does that make them special. i see that quite a few get arrested when i read the paper.