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8:47am Monday 15th June 2009 in
Residents of Brighton and Hove have been warned to prepare for a summer, autumn and winter of discontent.
The gloomy predictions follow the outbreak of a major row between Brighton and Hove City Council and its binmen and street cleaners – after it was revealed they were about to be asked to take a pay cut of between £2,000 and £8,000 a year each.
The dispute comes on top of a four others current underway between the council and its staff which have led to threats of strikes which will close schools and libraries and hit dozens of other services.
Union officials yesterday warned they feared they would not be able to rein in the angry response of refuse staff told their wages would be slashed and admitted wildcat strikes were likely.
Mark Turner, the GMB union branch secretary representing more than 3,000 workers in the city, said: "We are looking at weeks and possibly months of strikes here. It will be a sustained walkout.
"The way things are at the moment we are not just looking at a summer of discontent, we're looking at a summer of discontent, an autumn of discontent and a winter of discontent."
His view was echoed by Alex Knutson, the city's Unison branch secretary, who has described industrial relations at the city as being "the worst I've ever known them".
The two unions have only this week started a consultation with staff at faith schools who are set to walk out in a separate pay row.
The latest dispute reached a head after rumours of imminent cuts circulated at the council's Hollingdean refuse depot.
Workers discovered they would be the victims of pay restructuring across the authority.
The move is the result of the council having to make compensation handouts of around £37 million to unskilled staff from other departments earlier this year.
Those staff, many of them female, had made successful legal claims that they had been underpaid for years by comparison to binmen, who were also unskilled.
It is understood the council now wants to reduce the wages of refuse staff to protect it from any future claims. Parks staff are believed to also face significantly reduced salaries.
Cityclean staff believe their wages will be cut from the current rates, which average £19,000 a year, to be equivalent to teaching assistants, who earn less than £15,000.
One, who asked not to be named, said: "They don't seem to care that there are guys here with young families, who have mortgages to pay and other commitments. They haven't taken into account the nature of the work either, that we have to go out in all weather, come rain or shine."
The news has been particularly badly received because it coincides with the council's moves to recruit a new chief executive, who will earn up to £170,000 – more than ten times what the refuse workers will be asked to accept.
Any long-term summer strikes by the binmen will be particularly hard for the city to cope with. Piles of bin bags left for days or weeks in the heat could have a significant impact on both residents and visitors.
Refuse workers have shown they are not afraid to strike in the past, walking out last year after allegations one was branded fat and lazy by his managers and occupying the Hollingbury depot for four days in a dispute in 2001 which led to the end of a contract with waste firm Sita.
The council admitted it was preparing to propose a new pay scale structure to its 8,000 employees but would not confirm or deny any specific wage figures.
Unison is currently fighting two dismissals of long-serving council office workers who it said were wrongfully penalised for taking long-term sick leave.
Mr Knutson said the union's 3,600 members at the council would be balloted over industrial action if the sackings were not overturned.
Unison members will be staging a protest rally during its national rally at the Brighton Centre next week.
Both unions have also threatened action over the transfer of staff to a private company following proposals to contract out the council housing maintenance contract.
A strike by more than 200 faith school staff is expected to force one day closures at 16 schools before the end of the summer term.
Mr Knutson said: "It's just a nightmare at the moment. I've never known this council so chaotic."
Councillor Gill Mitchell, leader of the opposition Labour group, said: "I haven't got any details of this at present but if this is the case I would sympathise with any staff who are facing a pay cut.
"Relations between the Conservative administration and the unions seem to be at an all time low right now."
A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said:“The work we are doing to review pay is fundamentally about fairness.
“It is our legal and moral responsibility to make sure all our staff are paid fairly for the work they do and we are making sure that people doing jobs rated as equivalent, across the council receive the same pay.
“We are shortly about to enter into what we hope will be an open, honest and constructive dialogue with the unions on the pay structures for various positions in the council.
“We always seek to settle any dispute with staff, whether in relation to sickness, pay and conditions, or any other matter, as fairly as possible in full consultation with union representatives.
“With regard to the specific issue of staff at faith schools, it is simply not within our power to meet the request of the unions to settle the faith school staff’s equal pay claims, as the governing body of the school is their employer and not the council.”
Comments(50)
tinkywinky
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10:08am Mon 15 Jun 09
brightonneil
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10:41am Mon 15 Jun 09
Man With No Name
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Charismatic Andrew
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Fight Back
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salty_pete
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old bert
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11:37am Mon 15 Jun 09
ghost bus driver
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12:15pm Mon 15 Jun 09
old bert wrote:Wrong article mate
Supposing a big wave knocked her over on Brighton beach - would she sue God???
beccapenny
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12:48pm Mon 15 Jun 09
Ian (the train) H
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12:58pm Mon 15 Jun 09
Granny
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blockhead
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KennyKoala
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Jim BB
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2:42pm Mon 15 Jun 09
pun master
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2:58pm Mon 15 Jun 09
tinkywinky wrote:To be fair, the proposal is not cutting the wages of the lowest paid - it is in fact lining their wages up so they are the same as the lowest paid - surely it would be better to bring teaching assistants wages in line with binmen's wages? The council will no doubt argue that they need to cut costs etc as theyu usually do. However, I reckon a swift read throught the expenses accounts and the costs of the constant 'functions' laid on by the council will soon find money saving opportunities. or the council could just stop sending out their pointless and frankly ridiculous consultations that only ever come out in favour of what they want...
To cut the wages of the lowest paid is imoral. How about cutting the wages of the fat cat councilors. The british public will always (and rightly so)support the rights of the working class. Its a shame that the overpaid councilors who forget that they are OUR servants are too bussy with their snouts in the trough to care.
Crunchie
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3:02pm Mon 15 Jun 09
lorrie2 wrote:Half of £170k is £85k. If wages are falling by £5k, that means cancelling pay cuts for seventeen people.
Only the other day the argus reported about the top job vacancy at brighton council was worth £170k, Surely that is a joke, cut that wage in half and use the difference to pay the other council workers, simple!
Dufus
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3:15pm Mon 15 Jun 09
PB
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3:54pm Mon 15 Jun 09
stan bailey
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4:14pm Mon 15 Jun 09
PB wrote:mmm I thought we had a labour gov. admittedly they have their noses in the through for their own expenses. Depressing isn't it
Mrs Thatcher made it quite plain. Cut the wages of the poor to encourage them to work harder to better themselves.
Pay the wealthy big bonuses to give them incentives to work harder.
What's wrong with that?
Hong Kong Futon
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4:30pm Mon 15 Jun 09
Jim BB
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wardth
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thensx
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TheInsider
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yorkie44
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Asbo
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RickH
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8:53pm Mon 15 Jun 09
KennyKoala wrote:Maybe you'll be so kind as to let us know what the legislation is when you state "Under the law, which is very badly drafted, employees are put into large groups, which is why binmen are compared to unskilled desk workers. They then have to be paid the same... and...Not a nice choice but one that has been dictated by Labour legislation " as it sounds completely unlike any equality legislation I know of!
What's not being reported here is that the previous council administration refused to deal with the problem of equal pay for years, knowing that they'd be voted out last year, and so left this poisoned chalice for the current administration. Under the law, which is very badly drafted, employees are put into large groups, which is why binmen are compared to unskilled desk workers. They then have to be paid the same. The choice is either to increase the pay of the people in dry, non-physical jobs, or reduce the pay of those in wet, physical jobs. If you increase, council tax rockets. If you decrease, you get strikes. Not a nice choice but one that has been dictated by Labour legislation and one that was ducked by the Labour administration. Perhaps the Argus might like to ask Gill Mitchell which she'd choose? No, thought not.
chrisg2000
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stickman
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Stu
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cookie_brighton
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cookie_brighton
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WS
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11:16am Tue 16 Jun 09
cookie_brighton wrote:I remember those days as well. The binmen also you to take away everything you put out. None of this nonesense about garden waste or bulky items. They used to just sling it in the back and take it away. The Council always complain about fly-tipping well it's because the binmen won't take or aren't allowed to take half the stuff we want to throw out.
i remember the good old days when the binmen used to go to the rear of your property collect your "bin" empty it and return it. they stopped this cause they were nt allowedto go onto a persons property cause of health and safety to their employees....instead they place enormous green bins on the public pavement........what about health and safety to the public??????
Cherry Pie
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11:25am Tue 16 Jun 09
cookie_brighton
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11:27am Tue 16 Jun 09
KennyKoala
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11:38am Tue 16 Jun 09
RickH wrote:RickH - OK, I was being a bit glib. It is an incredibly complicated area. The prime legislation is the Employment Act 2002, which was intended to simplify matters and lead to fewer industrial tribunals. Unfortunately, the way the Act was drafted led to lots of disputes that landed up in court and judges had to decide the interpretation of law because the Act wasn't clear. For example, many thought it was intended that back-pay claims could only go back two years. Judges decided that, in fact, claims could go back six years. Pay comparators are a fraught area but binmen are generally compared with unskilled desk workers, as far as their basic pay goes. Then there's the issue of bonuses and whether they are genuine bonuses or ways of bumping up pay that are hidden. You'll have reps on one side saying that bonuses are entirely legit and on the other side saying they are basic pay boosts. Whatever the outcome, some win, some lose unless the taxpayer picks up the tab for boosting the claimant group's pay, which means tax rises. If a council goes the other way and prevents tax rises, then some people's pay has to fall - and that leads to strikes. And that's the (probably unintended)consequen
KennyKoala wrote:Maybe you'll be so kind as to let us know what the legislation is when you state "Under the law, which is very badly drafted, employees are put into large groups, which is why binmen are compared to unskilled desk workers. They then have to be paid the same... and...Not a nice choice but one that has been dictated by Labour legislation " as it sounds completely unlike any equality legislation I know of!
What's not being reported here is that the previous council administration refused to deal with the problem of equal pay for years, knowing that they'd be voted out last year, and so left this poisoned chalice for the current administration. Under the law, which is very badly drafted, employees are put into large groups, which is why binmen are compared to unskilled desk workers. They then have to be paid the same. The choice is either to increase the pay of the people in dry, non-physical jobs, or reduce the pay of those in wet, physical jobs. If you increase, council tax rockets. If you decrease, you get strikes. Not a nice choice but one that has been dictated by Labour legislation and one that was ducked by the Labour administration. Perhaps the Argus might like to ask Gill Mitchell which she'd choose? No, thought not.
Brigadier Monty
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12:26pm Tue 16 Jun 09
lorrie2 wrote:It's always the way isn't it. People at the top get paid more to do less, and people at the bottom suffer, it makes me sick to my stomach that these unskilled workers should be wrongfully targeted for pay cuts. How are they meant to pay their bills, when you have rich fat cat chief executives getting paid sick amounts of money for doing what? These workers are the backbone of the council and they should be recognised as such.
Only the other day the argus reported about the top job vacancy at brighton council was worth £170k, Surely that is a joke, cut that wage in half and use the difference to pay the other council workers, simple!
cookie_brighton
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RickH
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BBBrighton
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cookie_brighton
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BBBrighton
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gregwah1
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Randy Lahey
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10:51am Wed 17 Jun 09
PB wrote:Nepotism, laziness, trust funds.
Mrs Thatcher made it quite plain. Cut the wages of the poor to encourage them to work harder to better themselves. Pay the wealthy big bonuses to give them incentives to work harder. What's wrong with that?
Randy Lahey
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9:03am Mon 15 Jun 09