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Beachdown Festival cancelled

The Argus: CANCELLED: These crowds from last year's Beachdown Festival will not be returning this year CANCELLED: These crowds from last year's Beachdown Festival will not be returning this year

Beachdown Festival has been cancelled just days before it was due to open its gates.

The directors posted an emotional message on the Beachdown Festival website shortly after midnight announcing the cancellation, and pledging to do all they can to keep ticketholders informed.

Blaming poor ticket sales and a lack of support from their bank and some suppliers, they said they had even considered remortgaging their houses to keep the event afloat, but to no avail.

UPDATE: Click here to read our exclusive interview with Beachdown boss Joe Pidgeon.

The statement reads: “It is with immense personal regret that the Directors of Beachdown Festival have been advised that they must announce that due to slower than forecast ticket-sales and lack of support at a critical time from our bank and certain suppliers that despite being so so close to being able to deliver Beachdown Festival we are unable to do so.

“Very simply we were unable to meet the demands that the current economic climate put against us and at the eleventh hour despite having most of the infrastructure in place we have been forced to cancel the event.

“We wish to say at this time how desperately sorry we are to all those who have bought tickets or were participating in the event and to say that we all here are personally shattered expecially [sic] after eleven months of battling against the recession to try and put this event on and coming so close.

“We also wish to advise everyone that we explored every possible avenue to finance the event including re-mortgaging our houses to combat the unwillingness of banks to support us.

“We will do everything in our power to give the best information that we can via the web-site and via email but we ask that people understand that we will also be inundated with enquiries but we will endeavour to communicate to everyone as best we can.

“We ask all ticket-holders to get information from the outlet that you purchased the ticket from in the first instance and once again we will do everything we can to get as much information as we can to everyone as quickly as we can.”

Since the news broke, many festival-goers have said they intend on going to the site anyway, but Sussex Police this afternoon warned them not to.

A spokesman said: "We understand from the organisers' website that the Beachdown Festival scheduled for this weekend has been cancelled and we are in the process of establishing with them that this is the case. If so, we will work with them to ensure a safe closure at the location.

"We urge anyone with tickets for the event not to turn up. Security teams and police will remain at the site over the weekend and there will be no access or unofficial event."

This year’s festival, at which Grace Jones, The Zutons and Super Furry Animals were billed to play, has been dogged with problems since the start, with nearly 100 strict conditions imposed by Mid Sussex District Council when granting its licence.

In April, the organisers pulled out of hosting Brighton Festival Fringe at the Sundown Show Bar, which they also ran, due to their sponsor jumping ship and spiralling costs.

The news will come as a double whammy of festival gloom for people who had were given tickets as an alternative by organisers of the Bloom Festival in Chepstow, which was cancelled earlier this month.

This is not the first Sussex music festival to fall victim to the recession this year.

In January, organisers of the Lewes Folk Rock Festival, which is one of the town’s major cultural events, announced it would not go ahead this year for the first time since it began in 2002.

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1:15am Wed 26 Aug 09

jay316 says...

Its does NOT help that this is run on the same weekend as well established festivals such as Leeds, Reading and Solfest.

Its does NOT help that this is run on the same weekend as well established festivals such as Leeds, Reading and Solfest. jay316
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1:42am Wed 26 Aug 09

HugoAgogo says...

I'm not sure it was Brighton and Hove Council who imposed any regs, it's down to a different council (mid sussex or something) isn't it?!.. the type that normally deals with village fayres. I think there's a culture problem with Brighton people, they just don't buy into anything and certainly don't buy into it early. I hope White Air doesn't suffer the same fate... its a dangerous game waiting for Brighton festival goers' last minute decision making. A sad day today.
I'm not sure it was Brighton and Hove Council who imposed any regs, it's down to a different council (mid sussex or something) isn't it?!.. the type that normally deals with village fayres. I think there's a culture problem with Brighton people, they just don't buy into anything and certainly don't buy into it early. I hope White Air doesn't suffer the same fate... its a dangerous game waiting for Brighton festival goers' last minute decision making. A sad day today. HugoAgogo
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1:48am Wed 26 Aug 09

jooj says...

No sympathy here, the organizers should have done the right thing at least a week or more ago and cancelled it rather than spinning people a lie and trying to make money from last minute day ticket sales. If you can't take a hit like this then don't organize festivals of this size... stick to illegal raves. Hard but true.

Trying to be too big, too fast, without a following on a weekend that already has a lot of bigger and better festivals as above.

The likelihood of people getting money back by the weekend is slim, which leaves a lot of people very miffed.
No sympathy here, the organizers should have done the right thing at least a week or more ago and cancelled it rather than spinning people a lie and trying to make money from last minute day ticket sales. If you can't take a hit like this then don't organize festivals of this size... stick to illegal raves. Hard but true. Trying to be too big, too fast, without a following on a weekend that already has a lot of bigger and better festivals as above. The likelihood of people getting money back by the weekend is slim, which leaves a lot of people very miffed. jooj
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3:23am Wed 26 Aug 09

another 1 says...

beachfrown.
beachfrown. another 1
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5:39am Wed 26 Aug 09

S.T. Rewth says...

Take the money and run!
Take the money and run! S.T. Rewth
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6:52am Wed 26 Aug 09

Chop Stick says...

Maybe they shouldn't have showed their bank manager the line-up............

Maybe they shouldn't have showed their bank manager the line-up............ Chop Stick
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7:08am Wed 26 Aug 09

stan bailey says...

It isn't a public utility; it is a money making organisation
It isn't a public utility; it is a money making organisation stan bailey
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7:23am Wed 26 Aug 09

Acheron says...

Was up there with friends last night. There's loads of marquees, signs and the like up already. Wonder if they are still there now!
Was up there with friends last night. There's loads of marquees, signs and the like up already. Wonder if they are still there now! Acheron
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7:35am Wed 26 Aug 09

BandWagonDiva says...

The only well-balanced comment on here is from HugoAgogo.
Jooj - why should they have cancelled the event last week?! They were trying to save an event that worked well last year and could have been better this year.
Jay316 - it doesn't matter that it is run on the same weekend as V Festival, not everyone wants to go to V!
Being a member of one of the bands who was booked to play one of the two main stages, I am absolutely gutted that it is cancelled. But I am certain that this has not been a 'money making organisation' as some have suggested. The organisers tried to do something good for this city and once again, due to the recession and Mid-Sussex's bureaucrats, we have lost yet another event.
The only well-balanced comment on here is from HugoAgogo. Jooj - why should they have cancelled the event last week?! They were trying to save an event that worked well last year and could have been better this year. Jay316 - it doesn't matter that it is run on the same weekend as V Festival, not everyone wants to go to V! Being a member of one of the bands who was booked to play one of the two main stages, I am absolutely gutted that it is cancelled. But I am certain that this has not been a 'money making organisation' as some have suggested. The organisers tried to do something good for this city and once again, due to the recession and Mid-Sussex's bureaucrats, we have lost yet another event. BandWagonDiva
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7:47am Wed 26 Aug 09

stan bailey says...

BandWagonDiva wrote:
The only well-balanced comment on here is from HugoAgogo.
Jooj - why should they have cancelled the event last week?! They were trying to save an event that worked well last year and could have been better this year.
Jay316 - it doesn't matter that it is run on the same weekend as V Festival, not everyone wants to go to V!
Being a member of one of the bands who was booked to play one of the two main stages, I am absolutely gutted that it is cancelled. But I am certain that this has not been a 'money making organisation' as some have suggested. The organisers tried to do something good for this city and once again, due to the recession and Mid-Sussex's bureaucrats, we have lost yet another event.
People don't do things for the good of the city. there either do it for their own ego's or to make money
[quote][p][bold]BandWagonDiva[/bold] wrote: The only well-balanced comment on here is from HugoAgogo. Jooj - why should they have cancelled the event last week?! They were trying to save an event that worked well last year and could have been better this year. Jay316 - it doesn't matter that it is run on the same weekend as V Festival, not everyone wants to go to V! Being a member of one of the bands who was booked to play one of the two main stages, I am absolutely gutted that it is cancelled. But I am certain that this has not been a 'money making organisation' as some have suggested. The organisers tried to do something good for this city and once again, due to the recession and Mid-Sussex's bureaucrats, we have lost yet another event.[/p][/quote]People don't do things for the good of the city. there either do it for their own ego's or to make money stan bailey
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7:56am Wed 26 Aug 09

middle street resident says...

not surprising at all.
The line-up was an insult to Brighton.
not surprising at all. The line-up was an insult to Brighton. middle street resident
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8:02am Wed 26 Aug 09

For Every Sprinkle I Find says...

Ah. Nevermind.

Most people are at Reading Festival anyway!
Ah. Nevermind. Most people are at Reading Festival anyway! For Every Sprinkle I Find
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8:07am Wed 26 Aug 09

BobDobbs75 says...

were alarm bells not ringing when the organisers pulled their original licence application (when they cleverly realised it would void all the submissions made by the local community to MSDC)? How the organisers think that a national park site is the right place for a glorified rave such as this has always been beyond me. What was wrong with Stanmer which has a history of staging large music events?
were alarm bells not ringing when the organisers pulled their original licence application (when they cleverly realised it would void all the submissions made by the local community to MSDC)? How the organisers think that a national park site is the right place for a glorified rave such as this has always been beyond me. What was wrong with Stanmer which has a history of staging large music events? BobDobbs75
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8:11am Wed 26 Aug 09

Voice of the silent Majority says...

So they tried to do something good for the city, how? and what other event have we lost due to Mid Sussex Bureaucrats?
So they tried to do something good for the city, how? and what other event have we lost due to Mid Sussex Bureaucrats? Voice of the silent Majority
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8:16am Wed 26 Aug 09

Saulgone Petetong says...

middle street resident wrote:
not surprising at all. The line-up was an insult to Brighton.
Couldn't agree more........
[quote][p][bold]middle street resident[/bold] wrote: not surprising at all. The line-up was an insult to Brighton. [/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more........ Saulgone Petetong
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8:24am Wed 26 Aug 09

Avangelist says...

Very happy because this means that people are not stupid like I thought. You cannot put little or no effort into an event and fail to find a selling point and expect people to still come.

This is not Field Of Dreams
Very happy because this means that people are not stupid like I thought. You cannot put little or no effort into an event and fail to find a selling point and expect people to still come. This is not Field Of Dreams Avangelist
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8:33am Wed 26 Aug 09

jooj says...

BandWagonDiva - The fact they said "it IS going ahead" conning more people into buying tickets is why it should have been cancelled earlier. As many comments above... it's money making at the end of it. Most of the ticket resellers will not offer a direct refund.... and if the organizers have no money... go figure.

They would have had agreements to pay people at particular times, and would have had plenty of idea that money wouldn't be available.

Agree - it was good last year... but you can't rely on last minute sales to fund an event this size, look at what happened to Pride as an example of the downturn this year. (The difference being Pride has the ability to pay the shortfall from reserve funds)
BandWagonDiva - The fact they said "it IS going ahead" conning more people into buying tickets is why it should have been cancelled earlier. As many comments above... it's money making at the end of it. Most of the ticket resellers will not offer a direct refund.... and if the organizers have no money... go figure. They would have had agreements to pay people at particular times, and would have had plenty of idea that money wouldn't be available. Agree - it was good last year... but you can't rely on last minute sales to fund an event this size, look at what happened to Pride as an example of the downturn this year. (The difference being Pride has the ability to pay the shortfall from reserve funds) jooj
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8:39am Wed 26 Aug 09

Rocker says...

Not surprising....there was no vibe this year,no-one talking about going.

I doubt the email they sent out recently ("contrary to Brighton rumours,the festival is not sold out....") convinced no-one,because THERE WASN'T ANY RUMOUR and people knew this was a ploy.

Last years event wasn't good enough to lure people back again. And the organisers thought they were Gods gift to Brighton....no chance!

Festival won't be missed because it wasn't established.

When all the local hippies don't want to go,then there's something really wrong! Maybe overpriced food,overpriced drink and third rate entertainment doesn't work on the locals?
Not surprising....there was no vibe this year,no-one talking about going. I doubt the email they sent out recently ("contrary to Brighton rumours,the festival is not sold out....") convinced no-one,because THERE WASN'T ANY RUMOUR and people knew this was a ploy. Last years event wasn't good enough to lure people back again. And the organisers thought they were Gods gift to Brighton....no chance! Festival won't be missed because it wasn't established. When all the local hippies don't want to go,then there's something really wrong! Maybe overpriced food,overpriced drink and third rate entertainment doesn't work on the locals? Rocker
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9:23am Wed 26 Aug 09

Seagull Nic says...

No mention of refunds so don't hold your breath! They said they had sent car park vouchers out on Thurs/Fri but nobody I know as received them yet so that money's obviously been lost with ticket sale money
No mention of refunds so don't hold your breath! They said they had sent car park vouchers out on Thurs/Fri but nobody I know as received them yet so that money's obviously been lost with ticket sale money Seagull Nic
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9:25am Wed 26 Aug 09

tim e says...

How bloody Brighton!
The place that can't get anything done.
How bloody Brighton! The place that can't get anything done. tim e
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9:26am Wed 26 Aug 09

rwargh says...

Rubbish line-up, arrogant organisers and always going to happen. You can't force something to happen because you think it's a good idea, you have to do your research and make sure it CAN work first.
Rubbish line-up, arrogant organisers and always going to happen. You can't force something to happen because you think it's a good idea, you have to do your research and make sure it CAN work first. rwargh
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9:30am Wed 26 Aug 09

large says...

B*stards....they must have known about their situation for weeks....I played the main stage last year with a large local Brighton-based band and we did not get paid by the organisers until April this year! The amount of excuses and bounced cheques made us vow not to have anything to do with them this year so we are off to Shambala instead.....
B*stards....they must have known about their situation for weeks....I played the main stage last year with a large local Brighton-based band and we did not get paid by the organisers until April this year! The amount of excuses and bounced cheques made us vow not to have anything to do with them this year so we are off to Shambala instead..... large
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9:31am Wed 26 Aug 09

squidlips says...

Not really sure why there are so many negative comments like 'everyone is at Reading' and 'Festival won't be missed', personally I had a great time last year, bought my tickets in December, and was looking forward to this years Beachdown as the highlight of my summer, so I am absolutely gutted that it has been cancelled, as are all my friends who have also had tickets for ages.
Not really sure why there are so many negative comments like 'everyone is at Reading' and 'Festival won't be missed', personally I had a great time last year, bought my tickets in December, and was looking forward to this years Beachdown as the highlight of my summer, so I am absolutely gutted that it has been cancelled, as are all my friends who have also had tickets for ages. squidlips
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9:32am Wed 26 Aug 09

tim e says...

How bloody Brighton!
The most useless shambolic place in Britian, it took 20 years to repair the bandstand.
How bloody Brighton! The most useless shambolic place in Britian, it took 20 years to repair the bandstand. tim e
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9:59am Wed 26 Aug 09

Charismatic Andrew says...

Apparently Victor Mears is behind this festival.
Apparently Victor Mears is behind this festival. Charismatic Andrew
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10:40am Wed 26 Aug 09

King from Hove says...

Amateurish planning.Same weekend as Reading?.Next year plan it in June and make sure it doesnt clash and advertise it properly.
Amateurish planning.Same weekend as Reading?.Next year plan it in June and make sure it doesnt clash and advertise it properly. King from Hove
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10:45am Wed 26 Aug 09

jay316 says...

Who said anything about "V".. I certainly didn't.

As has been said the line up was poor, and didn;t the same organisers pull out of a festival earlier in the year....

Finally I would hardly called Devils Dyke part of the city, for starters its a different council (Mid-Sussex Council), so for that reason alone its nothing at all to do with Brighton and Hove.

Who said anything about "V".. I certainly didn't. As has been said the line up was poor, and didn;t the same organisers pull out of a festival earlier in the year.... Finally I would hardly called Devils Dyke part of the city, for starters its a different council (Mid-Sussex Council), so for that reason alone its nothing at all to do with Brighton and Hove. jay316
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10:46am Wed 26 Aug 09

waspexile says...

Just seems to be one festival too many at the moment. If you're organising a festival and not totally organised with the dosh its not going to happen. People are looking for value and quality.

The statement about MSDC putting 100 strict regs in place is irrelevant. I'm no fan of MSDC but the festival is on the South Downs for heavens sake! MSDC have been licensing the South of England show for donkeys years and that makes Beachdown look like a family picnic. The south downs will be a National Park by next year. I reckon the chances of having a festival like this on the Downs next year are as likely as Pride turning into a Ku Klux Klan parade!
Just seems to be one festival too many at the moment. If you're organising a festival and not totally organised with the dosh its not going to happen. People are looking for value and quality. The statement about MSDC putting 100 strict regs in place is irrelevant. I'm no fan of MSDC but the festival is on the South Downs for heavens sake! MSDC have been licensing the South of England show for donkeys years and that makes Beachdown look like a family picnic. The south downs will be a National Park by next year. I reckon the chances of having a festival like this on the Downs next year are as likely as Pride turning into a Ku Klux Klan parade! waspexile
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10:47am Wed 26 Aug 09

Mary Hinge says...

King from Hove wrote:
Amateurish planning.Same weekend as Reading?.Next year plan it in June and make sure it doesnt clash and advertise it properly.
I don't think there will be a "next year". Burned bridges etc....
[quote][p][bold]King from Hove[/bold] wrote: Amateurish planning.Same weekend as Reading?.Next year plan it in June and make sure it doesnt clash and advertise it properly.[/p][/quote]I don't think there will be a "next year". Burned bridges etc.... Mary Hinge
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10:47am Wed 26 Aug 09

Wanted Man says...

Alarm bells have been ringing all YEAR.
They owe soooo many LOCAL SMALL businesses from last year.

They cite "lack of support from suppliers" as one of the main reasons.

The suppliers just did not want to get ripped off AGAIN by these thieves.

The event did not go ahead as NO ONE wanted to touch them, including the banks. The lies and empty promises caught up with them.

This is soooo Brighton!

Pathetic.

Alarm bells have been ringing all YEAR. They owe soooo many LOCAL SMALL businesses from last year. They cite "lack of support from suppliers" as one of the main reasons. The suppliers just did not want to get ripped off AGAIN by these thieves. The event did not go ahead as NO ONE wanted to touch them, including the banks. The lies and empty promises caught up with them. This is soooo Brighton! Pathetic. Wanted Man
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10:52am Wed 26 Aug 09

wardth says...

large wrote:
B*stards....they must have known about their situation for weeks....I played the main stage last year with a large local Brighton-based band and we did not get paid by the organisers until April this year! The amount of excuses and bounced cheques made us vow not to have anything to do with them this year so we are off to Shambala instead.....
This sums up the organisers. I'm sorry but you have to have a good business plan to get money out of a bank and to endure in these difficult times. Thankfully I spoke to people who went last year and decided it would probably fall flat on its face this time around. Everybody I know complained of overpriced food and a less than adequate line up. They were prepared to give it another go - after all that was year one but when the lineup was announced for this year, it was clear that it simply wasn't worth the money. Other people obviously decided that was the case as well and voted by not opening their wallets. The lack of any mention of refunds should be investigated imeediately and if necessary, legal action should be brought. Its high time that vendors were forced to put advance ticket sales into escrow so that some or all of the money is refunded in the event of an issue.
Personally I think the organisers whould be ashamed of themselves and if they had any spine whatsoever, they should immediately refund those tickets.
[quote][p][bold]large[/bold] wrote: B*stards....they must have known about their situation for weeks....I played the main stage last year with a large local Brighton-based band and we did not get paid by the organisers until April this year! The amount of excuses and bounced cheques made us vow not to have anything to do with them this year so we are off to Shambala instead.....[/p][/quote]This sums up the organisers. I'm sorry but you have to have a good business plan to get money out of a bank and to endure in these difficult times. Thankfully I spoke to people who went last year and decided it would probably fall flat on its face this time around. Everybody I know complained of overpriced food and a less than adequate line up. They were prepared to give it another go - after all that was year one but when the lineup was announced for this year, it was clear that it simply wasn't worth the money. Other people obviously decided that was the case as well and voted by not opening their wallets. The lack of any mention of refunds should be investigated imeediately and if necessary, legal action should be brought. Its high time that vendors were forced to put advance ticket sales into escrow so that some or all of the money is refunded in the event of an issue. Personally I think the organisers whould be ashamed of themselves and if they had any spine whatsoever, they should immediately refund those tickets. wardth
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10:54am Wed 26 Aug 09

BobDobbs75 says...

squidlips wrote:
Not really sure why there are so many negative comments like 'everyone is at Reading' and 'Festival won't be missed',

....welcome to the argus website, the home of negative commentary!!
all the signs have been there since last year, all well documented on here.. anyone who bought a ticket should of seen this coming months ago
squidlips wrote: Not really sure why there are so many negative comments like 'everyone is at Reading' and 'Festival won't be missed', ....welcome to the argus website, the home of negative commentary!! all the signs have been there since last year, all well documented on here.. anyone who bought a ticket should of seen this coming months ago BobDobbs75
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10:59am Wed 26 Aug 09

yorkie44 says...

tim e wrote:
How bloody Brighton! The most useless shambolic place in Britian, it took 20 years to repair the bandstand.
Unfortunately the repair is crap as well.
[quote][p][bold]tim e[/bold] wrote: How bloody Brighton! The most useless shambolic place in Britian, it took 20 years to repair the bandstand.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the repair is crap as well. yorkie44
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11:02am Wed 26 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

i understnad that last years beachdown lost money due to not selling out. is it conceivable that they used some of this years ticket sales to pay ppl, although i believe some ppl still got bumped anyway?

it is a money driven organisation, any business has to be to survive.

did you see how many beachdown official warm up events there were? also they did the beachdown gigs as well to make money.

small parties were what they should have stuck too, i doubt anyone will get any money back, stall holders have already been told they aren't getting their pitch fees back.

the chap who runs the security for the event stated

"i have a ridiculous amount of bad news phone calls to make in the morning due to other peoples ineptitude"

lets not forget too that the ppl who had tickets to bloom, which got canned and no refunds given were told they could pay a small sum of 20 odd quid and get into beachdown. now thats cancelled too. so they've lost even more money than the ppl who bouht tkts to beachdown.

running an event like this is not a right and nor is it a charity, it requires a lot of thought. recession killed it? rubbish!

their bank probably took one look at their business plan to get out of the financial hole and said "we wont entertain this nonsense any longer" and who can blame them when teir are other businesses which looks more certain on paper.




i understnad that last years beachdown lost money due to not selling out. is it conceivable that they used some of this years ticket sales to pay ppl, although i believe some ppl still got bumped anyway? it is a money driven organisation, any business has to be to survive. did you see how many beachdown official warm up events there were? also they did the beachdown gigs as well to make money. small parties were what they should have stuck too, i doubt anyone will get any money back, stall holders have already been told they aren't getting their pitch fees back. the chap who runs the security for the event stated "i have a ridiculous amount of bad news phone calls to make in the morning due to other peoples ineptitude" lets not forget too that the ppl who had tickets to bloom, which got canned and no refunds given were told they could pay a small sum of 20 odd quid and get into beachdown. now thats cancelled too. so they've lost even more money than the ppl who bouht tkts to beachdown. running an event like this is not a right and nor is it a charity, it requires a lot of thought. recession killed it? rubbish! their bank probably took one look at their business plan to get out of the financial hole and said "we wont entertain this nonsense any longer" and who can blame them when teir are other businesses which looks more certain on paper. londonbythesea
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11:06am Wed 26 Aug 09

Bennn says...

IMPORTANT!!!!!

Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page:

http://www.facebook.
com/group.php?gid=12
2968961774&ref=searc
h&sid=502523364.2710
960016..1

Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-)
IMPORTANT!!!!! Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page: http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=12 2968961774&ref=searc h&sid=502523364.2710 960016..1 Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-) Bennn
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11:11am Wed 26 Aug 09

BiggerH says...

what a shambles - probably would have been in safer hands if the Komedia bunch had been running it.

Had tickets been sold through Ticketmaster/similar outfit then I guess people would be getting refunds - I assume that hasn't happened here
what a shambles - probably would have been in safer hands if the Komedia bunch had been running it. Had tickets been sold through Ticketmaster/similar outfit then I guess people would be getting refunds - I assume that hasn't happened here BiggerH
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11:33am Wed 26 Aug 09

Mary Hinge says...

Bennn wrote:
IMPORTANT!!!!! Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page: http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=12 2968961774&ref=s
earc h&sid=502523364.
2710 960016..1 Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-)
I can't see the police or MSCC allowing this somehow...

security word: many-loss (no kidding)
[quote][p][bold]Bennn[/bold] wrote: IMPORTANT!!!!! Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page: http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=12 2968961774&ref=s earc h&sid=502523364. 2710 960016..1 Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-)[/p][/quote]I can't see the police or MSCC allowing this somehow... security word: many-loss (no kidding) Mary Hinge
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11:36am Wed 26 Aug 09

Bennn says...

Maybe, but at least some people are trying to get something done. Raves are still going on every week-end, so good luck to them.
Maybe, but at least some people are trying to get something done. Raves are still going on every week-end, so good luck to them. Bennn
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11:39am Wed 26 Aug 09

PIGCITY says...

Terrible event, terrible line up... left a lot of businesses out of pocket from last year. I feel sorry for the guys who have already paid for tickets.
Also watch out for the jokers who are running White Air. They've already upset a lot of Brighton people/businesses and there are a lot of people unhappy with them in the Festivals former location who will not work with those two guys again.
Terrible event, terrible line up... left a lot of businesses out of pocket from last year. I feel sorry for the guys who have already paid for tickets. Also watch out for the jokers who are running White Air. They've already upset a lot of Brighton people/businesses and there are a lot of people unhappy with them in the Festivals former location who will not work with those two guys again. PIGCITY
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11:39am Wed 26 Aug 09

chewbarker20 says...

As a seasoned festival go-er i thought id make a few points. it is obvious that the organisers of club nights and illegal raves in brighton do not have the experience or knowledge of how to run a festival, trying to go too big too quick.
In no way am i an expert. Just someone who has to be careful with my money and decide to spend it wisely.

A few tips based on why i go to festivals.

If you are to run for 4 days, you need 4 QUALITY headliners, and a few other good bands would help! (book them and the people will come!)


A festival while fun is extremely tiring, 3 days is enough.

The site is only a romantic notion.
Having been to stanmer park festivals i know this is the much better option, and would also come under brighton and hove council and not mid-sussex who naturally impose stricter regulations as the area is a national park!

Let people bring their own personal alcohol with them, it helps for a better atmosphere.

Get a proffesional web designer, all major festivals sell out online! The beachdown website is terrible. If the line up and organisation is not confirmed and 100% confident why should the potential customer be wqilling to part with their money. Beachdown is not glastonbury which sold out 6 months before the actual date, a fledgling festival should have everything in place.

Get a solicitor! you going to need it for the claims back on tickets!

Get some proffesional and paid for help, i.e a P.R company to promote your event, get a main sponsor to help with costs, sell your tickets through a recognised and trusted ticket retailer such as ticketmaster.

i could go on but it is obvious these points have not been thought about. it is sad, but brighton being brighton we will still know how to have a party, see you this weekend at the site or black rock which im sure will be happening now, it will be just as much fun, and it will be free!
As a seasoned festival go-er i thought id make a few points. it is obvious that the organisers of club nights and illegal raves in brighton do not have the experience or knowledge of how to run a festival, trying to go too big too quick. In no way am i an expert. Just someone who has to be careful with my money and decide to spend it wisely. A few tips based on why i go to festivals. If you are to run for 4 days, you need 4 QUALITY headliners, and a few other good bands would help! (book them and the people will come!) A festival while fun is extremely tiring, 3 days is enough. The site is only a romantic notion. Having been to stanmer park festivals i know this is the much better option, and would also come under brighton and hove council and not mid-sussex who naturally impose stricter regulations as the area is a national park! Let people bring their own personal alcohol with them, it helps for a better atmosphere. Get a proffesional web designer, all major festivals sell out online! The beachdown website is terrible. If the line up and organisation is not confirmed and 100% confident why should the potential customer be wqilling to part with their money. Beachdown is not glastonbury which sold out 6 months before the actual date, a fledgling festival should have everything in place. Get a solicitor! you going to need it for the claims back on tickets! Get some proffesional and paid for help, i.e a P.R company to promote your event, get a main sponsor to help with costs, sell your tickets through a recognised and trusted ticket retailer such as ticketmaster. i could go on but it is obvious these points have not been thought about. it is sad, but brighton being brighton we will still know how to have a party, see you this weekend at the site or black rock which im sure will be happening now, it will be just as much fun, and it will be free! chewbarker20
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11:58am Wed 26 Aug 09

chris kirkham says...

Beachdown the toilet!
Oh why am I not suprised after gingerely buying my ticket a couple of days ago.Persuaded by my over enthusiastic girlfriend I nervously handed over a bundle of my hard-earned cash to a couple of tickets that I really never thought would get me anywhere except into more debt, and then two days later suprise suprise the festival is no more! Its only now that I discover the infamous Mr Pidgeon was involved in putting on this imaginary event. It is clear they were trying to recoup costs from last year's raindown festival and never intended to put the festival on this time, I doubt any of us will see our dosh again. Well, Readings out, no money, guess it's rave in the garden time.
Beachdown the toilet! Oh why am I not suprised after gingerely buying my ticket a couple of days ago.Persuaded by my over enthusiastic girlfriend I nervously handed over a bundle of my hard-earned cash to a couple of tickets that I really never thought would get me anywhere except into more debt, and then two days later suprise suprise the festival is no more! Its only now that I discover the infamous Mr Pidgeon was involved in putting on this imaginary event. It is clear they were trying to recoup costs from last year's raindown festival and never intended to put the festival on this time, I doubt any of us will see our dosh again. Well, Readings out, no money, guess it's rave in the garden time. chris kirkham
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12:00pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Sweepster says...

If you bought your tickets using a credit card, could you claim via your card issuer?
If you bought your tickets using a credit card, could you claim via your card issuer? Sweepster
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12:01pm Wed 26 Aug 09

BobDobbs75 says...

Bennn wrote:
IMPORTANT!!!!!

Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page:

http://www.facebook.

com/group.php?gid=12

2968961774&ref=s
earc
h&sid=502523364.
2710
960016..1

Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-)
Ha ha you're funny..

1. the site is private property, and i expect the farmer has a gun.

2. sussex police will be waiting for you.

3. the site will be very busy for the event take-down, full of pi**ed off suppliers/truck drivers etc. who will be glad of some stoners to vent their spleen against.

4. "Brighton is still Brighton" so take your own advice and go party there.
[quote][p][bold]Bennn[/bold] wrote: IMPORTANT!!!!! Brighton is still Brighton, and there will still be a big party up there this week-end thanks to the people of this wonderful city. Visit the Facebook group page: http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=12 2968961774&ref=s earc h&sid=502523364. 2710 960016..1 Please write about this Argus so that as many people turn up as possible. It may be even batter than the original line-up :-)[/p][/quote]Ha ha you're funny.. 1. the site is private property, and i expect the farmer has a gun. 2. sussex police will be waiting for you. 3. the site will be very busy for the event take-down, full of pi**ed off suppliers/truck drivers etc. who will be glad of some stoners to vent their spleen against. 4. "Brighton is still Brighton" so take your own advice and go party there. BobDobbs75
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12:06pm Wed 26 Aug 09

I_C says...

It was obvious this festival would be a disaster the minute the line-up was announced. None of the headline acts would be able to fill a venue any bigger than the Concorde - it was a terrible, lazy bookng policy. If you've handed over cash rather than paying by credit card then you've kissed your cash goodbye - I wouldn't fancy working behind the counter of Resident or Rounder today.
For those of you with long memories, this brings back thoughts of Ish Ali and the Essential Festival.
It was obvious this festival would be a disaster the minute the line-up was announced. None of the headline acts would be able to fill a venue any bigger than the Concorde - it was a terrible, lazy bookng policy. If you've handed over cash rather than paying by credit card then you've kissed your cash goodbye - I wouldn't fancy working behind the counter of Resident or Rounder today. For those of you with long memories, this brings back thoughts of Ish Ali and the Essential Festival. I_C
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12:09pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerro says...

a lot of people bought tix via Ticketline. They are as "reputable" as most ticket agencies can be...i.e. if an event is cancelled you can get a refund. It's against the law not to offer a refund option in the event of cancellation, but you won't get the venal charges imposed for buying tickets online refunded. So that's about 20 quid up the swanee for 2 people. This is embarrassing for Brighton and shame on the organizers for claiming "nearly sold out!" on their website (yet could still absorb Bloom festival punters...hmmmm...) and trying to flog tix when they must have known the writing was on the wall.
a lot of people bought tix via Ticketline. They are as "reputable" as most ticket agencies can be...i.e. if an event is cancelled you can get a refund. It's against the law not to offer a refund option in the event of cancellation, but you won't get the venal charges imposed for buying tickets online refunded. So that's about 20 quid up the swanee for 2 people. This is embarrassing for Brighton and shame on the organizers for claiming "nearly sold out!" on their website (yet could still absorb Bloom festival punters...hmmmm...) and trying to flog tix when they must have known the writing was on the wall. Gerro
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12:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Granny says...

It's too early for Mr Mears to be behind it- it is not December yet.
It's too early for Mr Mears to be behind it- it is not December yet. Granny
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12:51pm Wed 26 Aug 09

censored says...

Don't forget - if you bought a ticket for an event that doesn't happen, you are legally entitled to a refund.

If you bought through an agent, then your contract of sale is with the agent. They HAVE to refund you, even if they don't get the money back from the promoters.
Don't forget - if you bought a ticket for an event that doesn't happen, you are legally entitled to a refund. If you bought through an agent, then your contract of sale is with the agent. They HAVE to refund you, even if they don't get the money back from the promoters. censored
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1:17pm Wed 26 Aug 09

orange blossom says...

I feel for people who have bought tickets, however do not feel sorry for the Directors of Beachdown I know for a fact that they were due to go into administation earlier this year they had huge amounts of outstanding debts from last years festival that they were unable to pay, many companies had to write these off! Beachdown should never have been given permission this year to try and host another festival!!!
I feel for people who have bought tickets, however do not feel sorry for the Directors of Beachdown I know for a fact that they were due to go into administation earlier this year they had huge amounts of outstanding debts from last years festival that they were unable to pay, many companies had to write these off! Beachdown should never have been given permission this year to try and host another festival!!! orange blossom
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1:20pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Tweet says...

I'm so so gutted, have been looking forward to this all year!
So what to do now?....

Anything else being organised? What's everyone else doing?....

We're all out of pocket with no where to go and nothing to do!
I'm so so gutted, have been looking forward to this all year! So what to do now?.... Anything else being organised? What's everyone else doing?.... We're all out of pocket with no where to go and nothing to do! Tweet
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1:21pm Wed 26 Aug 09

NIck99 says...

I'm actually quite pleased it's been cancelled. My mates Mark & Lauren were going, we couldnt be asred, so we've organised a picinic in Preston Park. It means they can come now. Brilliant!!
I'm actually quite pleased it's been cancelled. My mates Mark & Lauren were going, we couldnt be asred, so we've organised a picinic in Preston Park. It means they can come now. Brilliant!! NIck99
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1:27pm Wed 26 Aug 09

chris kirkham says...

update! number above didnt work, guy on facebook says to contact here http://www.contenda.
co.uk/contactus.htm this is company behind it I am led to believe.
update! number above didnt work, guy on facebook says to contact here http://www.contenda. co.uk/contactus.htm this is company behind it I am led to believe. chris kirkham
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1:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

carlisusu says...

Having been a 'trader' (stall holder) at last years festival and experiencing first hand how these people operate, I am not surprised that they have taken as much money as possible from tickets sales and market traders pitch fees before announcing, at the 11th hour, that they were pulling the event. Good luck at trying to get back your money! Last year, as a local Brighton gal, I wanted to support my new local festival and paid quite a substantial fee for a trading pitch, with the agreement that 4 tickets were included, as this is what I require to run my stall. Nearer to the event kick-off time, I was only given 2 tickets, making it impossible for me to run my stall. I have the same evidence from dozens of other traders who were misled in this way. In any case, I was unable to trade as the space they offered us was on a high ridge on Devil's Dyke, a favourite wind surfing spot! Try to erect a stall in those conditions! A fellow trader who did try to pitch her stall in the designated trading area had it blown away and ruined. The festival organizers could not have cared less. After all, they had our money! The organizers had canvassed for as many traders as possible to gain maximum income from the fees. In the end, I swallowed the loss and did not even bother to try and set up my stall. I feel sorry for all those people who have been conned once again this year.
Having been a 'trader' (stall holder) at last years festival and experiencing first hand how these people operate, I am not surprised that they have taken as much money as possible from tickets sales and market traders pitch fees before announcing, at the 11th hour, that they were pulling the event. Good luck at trying to get back your money! Last year, as a local Brighton gal, I wanted to support my new local festival and paid quite a substantial fee for a trading pitch, with the agreement that 4 tickets were included, as this is what I require to run my stall. Nearer to the event kick-off time, I was only given 2 tickets, making it impossible for me to run my stall. I have the same evidence from dozens of other traders who were misled in this way. In any case, I was unable to trade as the space they offered us was on a high ridge on Devil's Dyke, a favourite wind surfing spot! Try to erect a stall in those conditions! A fellow trader who did try to pitch her stall in the designated trading area had it blown away and ruined. The festival organizers could not have cared less. After all, they had our money! The organizers had canvassed for as many traders as possible to gain maximum income from the fees. In the end, I swallowed the loss and did not even bother to try and set up my stall. I feel sorry for all those people who have been conned once again this year. carlisusu
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1:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Beansy says...

The cancellation of the Beachdown Festival has nothing to do with licensing bureaucracy, competition from other festivals, the line-up or poor weather forecasts. It failed for the same reason as most businesses fail, lack of cash flow.

Last year Beachdown lost a shed-load of money. Many suppliers didn’t get paid. Others had to wait months. One has to ask, where did the money come from to pay the lucky few that waited and were eventually paid? From the 2009 income, of course. The directors would have been taking concession fees from bars and merchandising, pitch fees from caterers and traders, and money from punters for tickets and any other investments they could scrape together. But this was not going to fund the 2009 event, much of it was needed to pay 2008’s bills in an attempt to stem the flow of criticism and reassure suppliers that all was well.

But of course cash was also needed to pay this year’s suppliers, the art of cash flow is reducing the need for cash up-front as much as possible. Some suppliers will just take a deposit with the balance to come after the event, but others who know that there were problems last year would want to be paid 100% up-front. Where there is no credit, this must be from cash in the bank. Some companies pulled out when Beachdown was unable to pay 100% up front. As has been pointed out there are loads of other gigs, with better reputations, where they know they will get paid.

For the directors to say that they had been let down by suppliers is just nonsense. This is a small industry, most suppliers know and talk to each other. The suppliers have families, employees and responsibilities, they cannot be in business to help untrustworthy promoters try again.

The directors say in the statement on their website that they ‘explored’ risking their own houses, but exploring is not doing, and one can only assume that they didn’t have the courage of their convictions and were damned if they were going to lose their homes.

You certainly don’t need to see the books to know that this event was going nowhere without some serious additional funding. And if that funding had arrived it would have come from a commercial partner, after all, friends and family lost too much last year to fund the event again. Any commercial partner would be buying publicity as a sponsor or buying a share in the company, and either way they would want everyone to know about it – it most certainly would not have been kept quiet. And no such announcement was forthcoming.

In short they were hoping everyone else would pay up-front to fund the event. And when too many of those said ‘no’ the festival was sunk.

So why did it take so long to cancel? There are two possibilities, blind optimism or cynical manipulation, neither of which do the directors much credit.

Were they simply hoping it would all work out in the end? Hoping that they could get suppliers to give them credit terms, hoping that ticket sales would pick up in the last few days, raking through the bones of the Big Green Gathering and other cancelled festivals, hoping that there would be a last minute rush of people paying a meagre, but much-needed top up fee? Hoping the best weather forecasts on numerous websites were the most accurate. Who knows? They may even have believed it themselves. They have been completely immersed in this festival since the planning for the last event started, I doubt they have thought of much else. From that very distorted perspective one can imagine them scraping every bit of hope together into a pile and thinking ‘Yeah! that looks okay’.

On the other hand they may have known for months that it was dead in the water and were just unable to find a way out without taking the hit themselves.

Beachdown was a nice idea, poorly realised and badly managed on a lousy site. Anyone involved in it who seriously believed it would happen this year was fooling themselves. But it is the punters who will take the major hit, and the reputation of start-up festivals will dip once again – which is a pity, it would have been nice to have a decent Brighton-based festival. Let’s hope the next lot who try, (and someone will) have more experience, less wishful thinking and are not scuppered by the punters’ memories of this example of how not to do it.
The cancellation of the Beachdown Festival has nothing to do with licensing bureaucracy, competition from other festivals, the line-up or poor weather forecasts. It failed for the same reason as most businesses fail, lack of cash flow. Last year Beachdown lost a shed-load of money. Many suppliers didn’t get paid. Others had to wait months. One has to ask, where did the money come from to pay the lucky few that waited and were eventually paid? From the 2009 income, of course. The directors would have been taking concession fees from bars and merchandising, pitch fees from caterers and traders, and money from punters for tickets and any other investments they could scrape together. But this was not going to fund the 2009 event, much of it was needed to pay 2008’s bills in an attempt to stem the flow of criticism and reassure suppliers that all was well. But of course cash was also needed to pay this year’s suppliers, the art of cash flow is reducing the need for cash up-front as much as possible. Some suppliers will just take a deposit with the balance to come after the event, but others who know that there were problems last year would want to be paid 100% up-front. Where there is no credit, this must be from cash in the bank. Some companies pulled out when Beachdown was unable to pay 100% up front. As has been pointed out there are loads of other gigs, with better reputations, where they know they will get paid. For the directors to say that they had been let down by suppliers is just nonsense. This is a small industry, most suppliers know and talk to each other. The suppliers have families, employees and responsibilities, they cannot be in business to help untrustworthy promoters try again. The directors say in the statement on their website that they ‘explored’ risking their own houses, but exploring is not doing, and one can only assume that they didn’t have the courage of their convictions and were damned if they were going to lose their homes. You certainly don’t need to see the books to know that this event was going nowhere without some serious additional funding. And if that funding had arrived it would have come from a commercial partner, after all, friends and family lost too much last year to fund the event again. Any commercial partner would be buying publicity as a sponsor or buying a share in the company, and either way they would want everyone to know about it – it most certainly would not have been kept quiet. And no such announcement was forthcoming. In short they were hoping everyone else would pay up-front to fund the event. And when too many of those said ‘no’ the festival was sunk. So why did it take so long to cancel? There are two possibilities, blind optimism or cynical manipulation, neither of which do the directors much credit. Were they simply hoping it would all work out in the end? Hoping that they could get suppliers to give them credit terms, hoping that ticket sales would pick up in the last few days, raking through the bones of the Big Green Gathering and other cancelled festivals, hoping that there would be a last minute rush of people paying a meagre, but much-needed top up fee? Hoping the best weather forecasts on numerous websites were the most accurate. Who knows? They may even have believed it themselves. They have been completely immersed in this festival since the planning for the last event started, I doubt they have thought of much else. From that very distorted perspective one can imagine them scraping every bit of hope together into a pile and thinking ‘Yeah! that looks okay’. On the other hand they may have known for months that it was dead in the water and were just unable to find a way out without taking the hit themselves. Beachdown was a nice idea, poorly realised and badly managed on a lousy site. Anyone involved in it who seriously believed it would happen this year was fooling themselves. But it is the punters who will take the major hit, and the reputation of start-up festivals will dip once again – which is a pity, it would have been nice to have a decent Brighton-based festival. Let’s hope the next lot who try, (and someone will) have more experience, less wishful thinking and are not scuppered by the punters’ memories of this example of how not to do it. Beansy
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1:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

luke tg says...

BEACHGATE!!
BEACHGATE!! luke tg
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1:49pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerro says...

For those who want info on refunds for tix or parking permits (yep...taht's another story!)...here's a bit of "info" from a now former Beachdown office employee

"I have been informed that the best thing you can do is to be a little bit patient with Beachdown over these coming days and full details on what's happening will be on the website from Tuesday onwards"

so basically enjoy your Bank Hol weekend doing something else and by then they might have pulled theirs heads out their @rses and actually have some contructive information for reimbursing people. Charming.
For those who want info on refunds for tix or parking permits (yep...taht's another story!)...here's a bit of "info" from a now former Beachdown office employee "I have been informed that the best thing you can do is to be a little bit patient with Beachdown over these coming days and full details on what's happening will be on the website from Tuesday onwards" so basically enjoy your Bank Hol weekend doing something else and by then they might have pulled theirs heads out their @rses and actually have some contructive information for reimbursing people. Charming. Gerro
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2:01pm Wed 26 Aug 09

ukbesty says...

Any ideas for alternative weekend for a group of 12 on a stag? Any stag friendly camping near Brighton?
Any ideas for alternative weekend for a group of 12 on a stag? Any stag friendly camping near Brighton? ukbesty
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2:02pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Tweet says...

Anyone got any other ideas for what to do now? Where to go etc?..........Please let everyone know on here!!
Anyone got any other ideas for what to do now? Where to go etc?..........Please let everyone know on here!! Tweet
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2:04pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerro says...

i suspect any half decent campsite
1) is prob fully booked by now
2) wouldn't want 12 guys on a stag do

but let us know if u find one..and if you don't then just find a pikey white van or old ambulance, park it slap bang in the middle of a park and say you are a traveller and you'll be given red carpet treatment.
i suspect any half decent campsite 1) is prob fully booked by now 2) wouldn't want 12 guys on a stag do but let us know if u find one..and if you don't then just find a pikey white van or old ambulance, park it slap bang in the middle of a park and say you are a traveller and you'll be given red carpet treatment. Gerro
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2:06pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Rocker says...

The word around town today is that the locals had zero confidence in the event being a success,and that many planned on jumping the fence.Almost universally,people thought the last one was terrible (bullying security,dreadful toilets,ridiculous overpricing,poor talent) and so wouldn't be fooled into parting with hard-earned cash again.

Brighton is a small place,and bad news travels fast.Seasoned festival goers had been giving the heads-up on this years do being an unmitigated disaster to anyone who would listen.Many did,and kept their money safe.

How are people going to be refunded,if the money has already been spent??



The word around town today is that the locals had zero confidence in the event being a success,and that many planned on jumping the fence.Almost universally,people thought the last one was terrible (bullying security,dreadful toilets,ridiculous overpricing,poor talent) and so wouldn't be fooled into parting with hard-earned cash again. Brighton is a small place,and bad news travels fast.Seasoned festival goers had been giving the heads-up on this years do being an unmitigated disaster to anyone who would listen.Many did,and kept their money safe. How are people going to be refunded,if the money has already been spent?? Rocker
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2:09pm Wed 26 Aug 09

DC&M says...

If anyone is at a loose end and looking for something to do this weekend now that Beachdown has imploded, head up to London's Southbank Centre and go do a DanceMob. We're helping to organise it, and trust me, it's gonna be so much fun. Check it out: http://dance.southba
nkcentre.co.uk/ Best of all, it won't be cancelled!
If anyone is at a loose end and looking for something to do this weekend now that Beachdown has imploded, head up to London's Southbank Centre and go do a DanceMob. We're helping to organise it, and trust me, it's gonna be so much fun. Check it out: http://dance.southba nkcentre.co.uk/ Best of all, it won't be cancelled! DC&M
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2:18pm Wed 26 Aug 09

citizen k says...

BUST THE BOX all day sunday at THE GLADSTONE, lewes road.. FREE as ever
BUST THE BOX all day sunday at THE GLADSTONE, lewes road.. FREE as ever citizen k
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2:21pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Christophe Hawtree says...

What's happening to the Hippodrome?


Another Brighton non-starter.
What's happening to the Hippodrome? Another Brighton non-starter. Christophe Hawtree
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2:22pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerro says...

you get your money from the ticket agency u bought it from, your contract is with them. they then have to sort out with the event organizers. Same for credit v debit or cash. Hierarchy of creditors.
you get your money from the ticket agency u bought it from, your contract is with them. they then have to sort out with the event organizers. Same for credit v debit or cash. Hierarchy of creditors. Gerro
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2:38pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Mary Hinge says...

Check out them shades!!!

Tasty.

This might be of interest:

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/lifehealth/goi
nggreen/the_green_ro
oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg
eon__festival_organi
ser__Brighton/
Check out them shades!!! Tasty. This might be of interest: http://www.theargus. co.uk/lifehealth/goi nggreen/the_green_ro oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg eon__festival_organi ser__Brighton/ Mary Hinge
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2:46pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Hove777 says...

The clear and eloquent piece from Beansy explains most of what has happened.
In addition, there are 2 further words to add to the reasons for cancelling at the 11th hour: insurance fraud.

A.N.Other now ex employee can tell you that Beachdown organisers well knew it was going to be cancelled weeks ago when they failed to book the crew and equipment necessary to make it happen. All they have to do to get an insurance payout is make it look as though most of the event was set up and ready to go; so they marked the site, got some of the marquees up, got some local crew in for a couple of days etc.

Beachdown will claim back what it can from insurers so at least the directors and organisers don't lose out.
Never mind the hundreds of small businesses and sole traders that will not see a penny from the insurers. They don't matter, do they?

Beachdown, how arrogant you are. This a very small industry where many people know each other and it's all about building good relationships with people that can make it happen. Much like Ish Ali, Joe Pidgeon and Neil Kransten will no doubt have trouble organising an event again without water tight purchase orders and funds up front.

If you are ever asked to work for any of these guys, be warned. They have all left a lot of unpaid bills behind them.

Shame. Beachdown could have been so great for Brighton. Let's hope the next lot that try it have more experience, better scruples and a whole lot more common sense.




The clear and eloquent piece from Beansy explains most of what has happened. In addition, there are 2 further words to add to the reasons for cancelling at the 11th hour: insurance fraud. A.N.Other now ex employee can tell you that Beachdown organisers well knew it was going to be cancelled weeks ago when they failed to book the crew and equipment necessary to make it happen. All they have to do to get an insurance payout is make it look as though most of the event was set up and ready to go; so they marked the site, got some of the marquees up, got some local crew in for a couple of days etc. Beachdown will claim back what it can from insurers so at least the directors and organisers don't lose out. Never mind the hundreds of small businesses and sole traders that will not see a penny from the insurers. They don't matter, do they? Beachdown, how arrogant you are. This a very small industry where many people know each other and it's all about building good relationships with people that can make it happen. Much like Ish Ali, Joe Pidgeon and Neil Kransten will no doubt have trouble organising an event again without water tight purchase orders and funds up front. If you are ever asked to work for any of these guys, be warned. They have all left a lot of unpaid bills behind them. Shame. Beachdown could have been so great for Brighton. Let's hope the next lot that try it have more experience, better scruples and a whole lot more common sense. Hove777
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2:53pm Wed 26 Aug 09

BiggerH says...

can't they bring back Party In The Park AND Southern FM at the same time?

can't they bring back Party In The Park AND Southern FM at the same time? BiggerH
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2:57pm Wed 26 Aug 09

MarcoPolo says...

Come on FatBoy - step up to the plate - if you do one night, the bank will come on board, and it will be a sell out. We older punters owe it to the young people who saved up for, and supported, this event. How much is the cash shortfall?
Come on FatBoy - step up to the plate - if you do one night, the bank will come on board, and it will be a sell out. We older punters owe it to the young people who saved up for, and supported, this event. How much is the cash shortfall? MarcoPolo
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2:59pm Wed 26 Aug 09

realitycheque says...

Beansy wrote:
The cancellation of the Beachdown Festival has nothing to do with licensing bureaucracy, competition from other festivals, the line-up or poor weather forecasts. It failed for the same reason as most businesses fail, lack of cash flow. Last year Beachdown lost a shed-load of money. Many suppliers didn’t get paid. Others had to wait months. One has to ask, where did the money come from to pay the lucky few that waited and were eventually paid? From the 2009 income, of course. The directors would have been taking concession fees from bars and merchandising, pitch fees from caterers and traders, and money from punters for tickets and any other investments they could scrape together. But this was not going to fund the 2009 event, much of it was needed to pay 2008’s bills in an attempt to stem the flow of criticism and reassure suppliers that all was well. But of course cash was also needed to pay this year’s suppliers, the art of cash flow is reducing the need for cash up-front as much as possible. Some suppliers will just take a deposit with the balance to come after the event, but others who know that there were problems last year would want to be paid 100% up-front. Where there is no credit, this must be from cash in the bank. Some companies pulled out when Beachdown was unable to pay 100% up front. As has been pointed out there are loads of other gigs, with better reputations, where they know they will get paid. For the directors to say that they had been let down by suppliers is just nonsense. This is a small industry, most suppliers know and talk to each other. The suppliers have families, employees and responsibilities, they cannot be in business to help untrustworthy promoters try again. The directors say in the statement on their website that they ‘explored’ risking their own houses, but exploring is not doing, and one can only assume that they didn’t have the courage of their convictions and were damned if they were going to lose their homes. You certainly don’t need to see the books to know that this event was going nowhere without some serious additional funding. And if that funding had arrived it would have come from a commercial partner, after all, friends and family lost too much last year to fund the event again. Any commercial partner would be buying publicity as a sponsor or buying a share in the company, and either way they would want everyone to know about it – it most certainly would not have been kept quiet. And no such announcement was forthcoming. In short they were hoping everyone else would pay up-front to fund the event. And when too many of those said ‘no’ the festival was sunk. So why did it take so long to cancel? There are two possibilities, blind optimism or cynical manipulation, neither of which do the directors much credit. Were they simply hoping it would all work out in the end? Hoping that they could get suppliers to give them credit terms, hoping that ticket sales would pick up in the last few days, raking through the bones of the Big Green Gathering and other cancelled festivals, hoping that there would be a last minute rush of people paying a meagre, but much-needed top up fee? Hoping the best weather forecasts on numerous websites were the most accurate. Who knows? They may even have believed it themselves. They have been completely immersed in this festival since the planning for the last event started, I doubt they have thought of much else. From that very distorted perspective one can imagine them scraping every bit of hope together into a pile and thinking ‘Yeah! that looks okay’. On the other hand they may have known for months that it was dead in the water and were just unable to find a way out without taking the hit themselves. Beachdown was a nice idea, poorly realised and badly managed on a lousy site. Anyone involved in it who seriously believed it would happen this year was fooling themselves. But it is the punters who will take the major hit, and the reputation of start-up festivals will dip once again – which is a pity, it would have been nice to have a decent Brighton-based festival. Let’s hope the next lot who try, (and someone will) have more experience, less wishful thinking and are not scuppered by the punters’ memories of this example of how not to do it.
quoting this excellent post as the voice of sanity here.
[quote][p][bold]Beansy[/bold] wrote: The cancellation of the Beachdown Festival has nothing to do with licensing bureaucracy, competition from other festivals, the line-up or poor weather forecasts. It failed for the same reason as most businesses fail, lack of cash flow. Last year Beachdown lost a shed-load of money. Many suppliers didn’t get paid. Others had to wait months. One has to ask, where did the money come from to pay the lucky few that waited and were eventually paid? From the 2009 income, of course. The directors would have been taking concession fees from bars and merchandising, pitch fees from caterers and traders, and money from punters for tickets and any other investments they could scrape together. But this was not going to fund the 2009 event, much of it was needed to pay 2008’s bills in an attempt to stem the flow of criticism and reassure suppliers that all was well. But of course cash was also needed to pay this year’s suppliers, the art of cash flow is reducing the need for cash up-front as much as possible. Some suppliers will just take a deposit with the balance to come after the event, but others who know that there were problems last year would want to be paid 100% up-front. Where there is no credit, this must be from cash in the bank. Some companies pulled out when Beachdown was unable to pay 100% up front. As has been pointed out there are loads of other gigs, with better reputations, where they know they will get paid. For the directors to say that they had been let down by suppliers is just nonsense. This is a small industry, most suppliers know and talk to each other. The suppliers have families, employees and responsibilities, they cannot be in business to help untrustworthy promoters try again. The directors say in the statement on their website that they ‘explored’ risking their own houses, but exploring is not doing, and one can only assume that they didn’t have the courage of their convictions and were damned if they were going to lose their homes. You certainly don’t need to see the books to know that this event was going nowhere without some serious additional funding. And if that funding had arrived it would have come from a commercial partner, after all, friends and family lost too much last year to fund the event again. Any commercial partner would be buying publicity as a sponsor or buying a share in the company, and either way they would want everyone to know about it – it most certainly would not have been kept quiet. And no such announcement was forthcoming. In short they were hoping everyone else would pay up-front to fund the event. And when too many of those said ‘no’ the festival was sunk. So why did it take so long to cancel? There are two possibilities, blind optimism or cynical manipulation, neither of which do the directors much credit. Were they simply hoping it would all work out in the end? Hoping that they could get suppliers to give them credit terms, hoping that ticket sales would pick up in the last few days, raking through the bones of the Big Green Gathering and other cancelled festivals, hoping that there would be a last minute rush of people paying a meagre, but much-needed top up fee? Hoping the best weather forecasts on numerous websites were the most accurate. Who knows? They may even have believed it themselves. They have been completely immersed in this festival since the planning for the last event started, I doubt they have thought of much else. From that very distorted perspective one can imagine them scraping every bit of hope together into a pile and thinking ‘Yeah! that looks okay’. On the other hand they may have known for months that it was dead in the water and were just unable to find a way out without taking the hit themselves. Beachdown was a nice idea, poorly realised and badly managed on a lousy site. Anyone involved in it who seriously believed it would happen this year was fooling themselves. But it is the punters who will take the major hit, and the reputation of start-up festivals will dip once again – which is a pity, it would have been nice to have a decent Brighton-based festival. Let’s hope the next lot who try, (and someone will) have more experience, less wishful thinking and are not scuppered by the punters’ memories of this example of how not to do it. [/p][/quote]quoting this excellent post as the voice of sanity here. realitycheque
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3:00pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Tweet says...

Mary Hinge - link doesn't work!
Mary Hinge - link doesn't work! Tweet
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3:05pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Mary Hinge says...

Tweet wrote:
Mary Hinge - link doesn't work!
Here it is again (Argus line-breaks the URL in a crazy way, sorry)

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/lifehealth/goi
nggreen/the_green_ro
oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg
eon__festival_organi
ser__Brighton/

If that doesn't work click on "Features" on the Argus home page, then "Going Green" and click through til you get to the page from 8th September last year. It's a short profile of Mr Pidgeon from the pages of this very rag.
[quote][p][bold]Tweet[/bold] wrote: Mary Hinge - link doesn't work![/p][/quote]Here it is again (Argus line-breaks the URL in a crazy way, sorry) http://www.theargus. co.uk/lifehealth/goi nggreen/the_green_ro oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg eon__festival_organi ser__Brighton/ If that doesn't work click on "Features" on the Argus home page, then "Going Green" and click through til you get to the page from 8th September last year. It's a short profile of Mr Pidgeon from the pages of this very rag. Mary Hinge
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3:07pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Barty80 says...

I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous!
Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!!
I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous! Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!! Barty80
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3:20pm Wed 26 Aug 09

CaptainStarbucks says...

ukbesty wrote:
Any ideas for alternative weekend for a group of 12 on a stag? Any stag friendly camping near Brighton?
How about drag bingo in the Bulldog? Don't drink the wine though as it makes your bottom sore the next morning!
[quote][p][bold]ukbesty[/bold] wrote: Any ideas for alternative weekend for a group of 12 on a stag? Any stag friendly camping near Brighton?[/p][/quote]How about drag bingo in the Bulldog? Don't drink the wine though as it makes your bottom sore the next morning! CaptainStarbucks
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3:21pm Wed 26 Aug 09

worstdaytoday says...

beansy - great post mate spot on. just to point out that neil cranston is not one of the organizers eg promoters he is the production manager another employee. i feel most sorry for all the ticket holders and also the people who were due to work up there - evreyones losing out due to financial mis management.
beansy - great post mate spot on. just to point out that neil cranston is not one of the organizers eg promoters he is the production manager another employee. i feel most sorry for all the ticket holders and also the people who were due to work up there - evreyones losing out due to financial mis management. worstdaytoday
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3:23pm Wed 26 Aug 09

sensible1 says...

yorkie44 - What did you do to repair the band stand? At least some people made a great deal of effort to improve it from their pockets for the general public. Password - no further than your nose
yorkie44 - What did you do to repair the band stand? At least some people made a great deal of effort to improve it from their pockets for the general public. Password - no further than your nose sensible1
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3:48pm Wed 26 Aug 09

furrycow says...

I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again!
I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again! furrycow
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3:57pm Wed 26 Aug 09

N-dogg says...

C'mon people who know....let's name and shame the people behind this debacle. I bought my ticket many months ago from 'Pegg and Son' and it's not fair that vendors with good intentions get the inevitable brunt of peoples disdain for this fiasco. I called them earlier and they were really helpful and really sorry that they had been left in the lurch with no info to pass on to concerned ticket holders....anyone second this?
C'mon people who know....let's name and shame the people behind this debacle. I bought my ticket many months ago from 'Pegg and Son' and it's not fair that vendors with good intentions get the inevitable brunt of peoples disdain for this fiasco. I called them earlier and they were really helpful and really sorry that they had been left in the lurch with no info to pass on to concerned ticket holders....anyone second this? N-dogg
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4:04pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Tweet says...

Errrrm, furrycow, residents of Brighton are the ones who made this happen last year. We were the ones that bought the tickets. Not sure how it's our fault?
Errrrm, furrycow, residents of Brighton are the ones who made this happen last year. We were the ones that bought the tickets. Not sure how it's our fault? Tweet
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4:04pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Masterchav says...

According to the festival licence (on the Mid Sussex District Council website), the licence holder is "Future Festivals Ltd" of Tower Point, North Road.
According to the festival licence (on the Mid Sussex District Council website), the licence holder is "Future Festivals Ltd" of Tower Point, North Road. Masterchav
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4:07pm Wed 26 Aug 09

furrycow says...

Tweet wrote:
Errrrm, furrycow, residents of Brighton are the ones who made this happen last year. We were the ones that bought the tickets. Not sure how it's our fault?
fair point, I guess it's just all the negative talking blaming the organisers and saying it was rubbish last year. Everyone's lost out I guess. But if I had the choice of losing my ticket or house. I think I know which one I'd go for.
[quote][p][bold]Tweet[/bold] wrote: Errrrm, furrycow, residents of Brighton are the ones who made this happen last year. We were the ones that bought the tickets. Not sure how it's our fault?[/p][/quote]fair point, I guess it's just all the negative talking blaming the organisers and saying it was rubbish last year. Everyone's lost out I guess. But if I had the choice of losing my ticket or house. I think I know which one I'd go for. furrycow
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4:20pm Wed 26 Aug 09

JontyBloom says...

Here's a link with some angry fans comments. http://www.neonfille
r.com/page2.htm#beac
hdown The bit about the beachdown organisors selling a ticket for parking to one person just a day before the whole thing crumbles is particularly galling. What a mess.
Here's a link with some angry fans comments. http://www.neonfille r.com/page2.htm#beac hdown The bit about the beachdown organisors selling a ticket for parking to one person just a day before the whole thing crumbles is particularly galling. What a mess. JontyBloom
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4:25pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Cheesed Off says...

I went last year and really enjoyed it despite some obvious teething troubles, (idiot security, disorganised camping area, not enough toliets for the first day or so etc). I decided to go again this year as wanted to support a local festival as its the one thing missing from this part of the world since the death of essential, I bought 3 tickets for me and two friends from Ticketline in good faith and was really looking forward to it regardless of all the rumours of money troubles as from my understanding this is not too uncommon in the world of promotions. I have to admit that right now I am very unhappy, not only at the short notice of the cancellation but also the complete lack of regard for people who have supported this event against all odds, yes there is an emotional notice on the webpage but twitter, myspace and facebook all look like they haven't been changed for since 24.08.2009, twitter still claims that "Beachdown is not cancelled and day tickets are now available". The whole thing is beginning to smell like a con job to me and is leaving a very sour taste in many mouths I should imagine..
Surely, the organisers (in the loosest sense of the word) dont just think that one paltry (and imo self pitying)page on their own website advising that its cancelled is job done? People have put faith in this and I personally feel cheated and let down.. Once I finally got through to them Ticketline have said that they have no information and I should hold on to my (now worthless) tickets and await further correspondence leaving me £300 out of pocket with no plans for the long weekend.. Thanks a lot Beachdown. There are rumours all over the net of poor management, acts coming from abroad having their travel expenses cancelled months ago and insurance fraud.. Sick!!
I went last year and really enjoyed it despite some obvious teething troubles, (idiot security, disorganised camping area, not enough toliets for the first day or so etc). I decided to go again this year as wanted to support a local festival as its the one thing missing from this part of the world since the death of essential, I bought 3 tickets for me and two friends from Ticketline in good faith and was really looking forward to it regardless of all the rumours of money troubles as from my understanding this is not too uncommon in the world of promotions. I have to admit that right now I am very unhappy, not only at the short notice of the cancellation but also the complete lack of regard for people who have supported this event against all odds, yes there is an emotional notice on the webpage but twitter, myspace and facebook all look like they haven't been changed for since 24.08.2009, twitter still claims that "Beachdown is not cancelled and day tickets are now available". The whole thing is beginning to smell like a con job to me and is leaving a very sour taste in many mouths I should imagine.. Surely, the organisers (in the loosest sense of the word) dont just think that one paltry (and imo self pitying)page on their own website advising that its cancelled is job done? People have put faith in this and I personally feel cheated and let down.. Once I finally got through to them Ticketline have said that they have no information and I should hold on to my (now worthless) tickets and await further correspondence leaving me £300 out of pocket with no plans for the long weekend.. Thanks a lot Beachdown. There are rumours all over the net of poor management, acts coming from abroad having their travel expenses cancelled months ago and insurance fraud.. Sick!! Cheesed Off
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4:29pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Rocksteady says...

Brighton's reputation as a great place to party dropped a few notches today... as did the chance people will pay upfront for smaller UK festivals in future... unfortunately there just too many festivals in August.... the most successful ones being those with a reputation of being able to deliver....... Brighton is just a small town that struggles today to fill moderate sized nightclubs.... if Gay Pride charged punters entry to flaunt their sexuality... my belief is Pride would be buggered too (excuse the pun).... Brighton has enormous talent... a great energy and front edge musical tastes....... It also has expensive accomodation.... poor wages and virtually no job vacancies... last Thursdays Argus had just one page containing 8 jobs...... So if Brightonians did'nt fork out £100 each to attend a festival with a not so good line-up and expensive catering why be surprised...... The Fat Boy Slim in a big local festival arena (not the seafront) at £30 is a much better idea.... perhaps the council could recoup a few quid by "indirectly" organising it....
Brighton's reputation as a great place to party dropped a few notches today... as did the chance people will pay upfront for smaller UK festivals in future... unfortunately there just too many festivals in August.... the most successful ones being those with a reputation of being able to deliver....... Brighton is just a small town that struggles today to fill moderate sized nightclubs.... if Gay Pride charged punters entry to flaunt their sexuality... my belief is Pride would be buggered too (excuse the pun).... Brighton has enormous talent... a great energy and front edge musical tastes....... It also has expensive accomodation.... poor wages and virtually no job vacancies... last Thursdays Argus had just one page containing 8 jobs...... So if Brightonians did'nt fork out £100 each to attend a festival with a not so good line-up and expensive catering why be surprised...... The Fat Boy Slim in a big local festival arena (not the seafront) at £30 is a much better idea.... perhaps the council could recoup a few quid by "indirectly" organising it.... Rocksteady
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4:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

I laughed so hard I nearly shat, I'm over the moon, Brighton crusties, Sussex doesn't want you, stay in that hell hole, and if you turn up, hopefully the police will turn the dogs on you, good riddance.
I laughed so hard I nearly shat, I'm over the moon, Brighton crusties, Sussex doesn't want you, stay in that hell hole, and if you turn up, hopefully the police will turn the dogs on you, good riddance. Gerorfmoilaaand
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4:51pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Bennn says...

Rocksteady wrote:
Brighton's reputation as a great place to party dropped a few notches today... as did the chance people will pay upfront for smaller UK festivals in future... unfortunately there just too many festivals in August.... the most successful ones being those with a reputation of being able to deliver....... Brighton is just a small town that struggles today to fill moderate sized nightclubs.... if Gay Pride charged punters entry to flaunt their sexuality... my belief is Pride would be buggered too (excuse the pun).... Brighton has enormous talent... a great energy and front edge musical tastes....... It also has expensive accomodation.... poor wages and virtually no job vacancies... last Thursdays Argus had just one page containing 8 jobs...... So if Brightonians did'nt fork out £100 each to attend a festival with a not so good line-up and expensive catering why be surprised...... The Fat Boy Slim in a big local festival arena (not the seafront) at £30 is a much better idea.... perhaps the council could recoup a few quid by "indirectly" organising it....
1) Brighton is still one of the party capitals of the UK mate. Do you think that people are suddenly going to say: "Ooooh Beachdown is cancelled, Brighton isn't a great place to party anymore".
2) I wouldn't call a city of 300000 a "small town". Lewes maybe, not Brighton & Hove
3) Which nightclubs do you go to? Most of them are packed at weekends. I was down the Ocean Rooms on tursday and even mid-week at 3am it was almost full downstairs.
4) You're right, not as many job vacancies as before, but it's the same thing everywhere in Europe now. Remember that the unemployment rate in the south east is only 5%, compared to 10% in France or even 20% in Spain. Brighton is also doing a lot better than many cities in the UK since the start of the recession.
5) I agree: bring back Fatboy on the beach!
[quote][p][bold]Rocksteady[/bold] wrote: Brighton's reputation as a great place to party dropped a few notches today... as did the chance people will pay upfront for smaller UK festivals in future... unfortunately there just too many festivals in August.... the most successful ones being those with a reputation of being able to deliver....... Brighton is just a small town that struggles today to fill moderate sized nightclubs.... if Gay Pride charged punters entry to flaunt their sexuality... my belief is Pride would be buggered too (excuse the pun).... Brighton has enormous talent... a great energy and front edge musical tastes....... It also has expensive accomodation.... poor wages and virtually no job vacancies... last Thursdays Argus had just one page containing 8 jobs...... So if Brightonians did'nt fork out £100 each to attend a festival with a not so good line-up and expensive catering why be surprised...... The Fat Boy Slim in a big local festival arena (not the seafront) at £30 is a much better idea.... perhaps the council could recoup a few quid by "indirectly" organising it.... [/p][/quote]1) Brighton is still one of the party capitals of the UK mate. Do you think that people are suddenly going to say: "Ooooh Beachdown is cancelled, Brighton isn't a great place to party anymore". 2) I wouldn't call a city of 300000 a "small town". Lewes maybe, not Brighton & Hove 3) Which nightclubs do you go to? Most of them are packed at weekends. I was down the Ocean Rooms on tursday and even mid-week at 3am it was almost full downstairs. 4) You're right, not as many job vacancies as before, but it's the same thing everywhere in Europe now. Remember that the unemployment rate in the south east is only 5%, compared to 10% in France or even 20% in Spain. Brighton is also doing a lot better than many cities in the UK since the start of the recession. 5) I agree: bring back Fatboy on the beach! Bennn
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4:54pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Crunchie says...

Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's).
Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's). Crunchie
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4:56pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Crunchie says...

Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's).
Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's). Crunchie
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5:06pm Wed 26 Aug 09

bibble says...

The "nearly 100 strict conditions imposed by Mid Sussex District Council" hardly helped matters. These regulations are dreamt up by people who can't do anything worthwhile.

If you can't do it, teach.
If you can't teach, teach PE.
If you can't teach PE, think up regulations.
The "nearly 100 strict conditions imposed by Mid Sussex District Council" hardly helped matters. These regulations are dreamt up by people who can't do anything worthwhile. If you can't do it, teach. If you can't teach, teach PE. If you can't teach PE, think up regulations. bibble
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5:13pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Beansy says...

Barty80 wrote:
I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous!
Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!!
Barty8o will not be alone. The Argus covered the initial failure to pay debts in some detail earlier in the year. Beachdown admited they owed a few suppliers, but insisted everyone would be paid (some still haven't been) and said everything was fine. This glossy spin continued up to a week ago with well written press releases continually hyping it up, especially the mendacious claims good ticket sales. This of course is exactly what a promoter should do. Trouble is that much of it was just reprinted without reference to the previous problems, again, exactly what most newspapers will do - after all there's little mileage in slagging off local 'entrepreneurs'. So the story was there, but you really would have had to dig deep and be paying attention to extract the significant point that this gig was not likely to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Barty80[/bold] wrote: I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous! Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!![/p][/quote]Barty8o will not be alone. The Argus covered the initial failure to pay debts in some detail earlier in the year. Beachdown admited they owed a few suppliers, but insisted everyone would be paid (some still haven't been) and said everything was fine. This glossy spin continued up to a week ago with well written press releases continually hyping it up, especially the mendacious claims good ticket sales. This of course is exactly what a promoter should do. Trouble is that much of it was just reprinted without reference to the previous problems, again, exactly what most newspapers will do - after all there's little mileage in slagging off local 'entrepreneurs'. So the story was there, but you really would have had to dig deep and be paying attention to extract the significant point that this gig was not likely to happen. Beansy
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5:15pm Wed 26 Aug 09

tsimpkins says...

Give it a restival.


security words: doomed to fail
Give it a restival. security words: doomed to fail tsimpkins
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5:18pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth....... Gerorfmoilaaand
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5:26pm Wed 26 Aug 09

BobDobbs75 says...

bibble wrote:
The "nearly 100 strict conditions imposed by Mid Sussex District Council" hardly helped matters. These regulations are dreamt up by people who can't do anything worthwhile.

If you can't do it, teach.
If you can't teach, teach PE.
If you can't teach PE, think up regulations.
i expect the regulations were in place to protect the rights of the people in the immediate vicinity, and the chance that with good bank holiday weather thousands may of turned up to jump the fence and over-run the site and the surrounding countryside. The regulations were certainly a lot tighter than last year which suggests the council didn't like what they saw.
[quote][p][bold]bibble[/bold] wrote: The "nearly 100 strict conditions imposed by Mid Sussex District Council" hardly helped matters. These regulations are dreamt up by people who can't do anything worthwhile. If you can't do it, teach. If you can't teach, teach PE. If you can't teach PE, think up regulations.[/p][/quote]i expect the regulations were in place to protect the rights of the people in the immediate vicinity, and the chance that with good bank holiday weather thousands may of turned up to jump the fence and over-run the site and the surrounding countryside. The regulations were certainly a lot tighter than last year which suggests the council didn't like what they saw. BobDobbs75
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5:36pm Wed 26 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

Crunchie wrote:
Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's).
Trading while insolvent isnt a crime however "Trading while insolvent without a reasonable expectation of trading back into a solvent position" is a criminal offence

The law being misunderstood is the 'wrongful trading' provision of the Insolvency Act 1986
[quote][p][bold]Crunchie[/bold] wrote: Hopefully the Beachdown directors will be sued for trading while insolvent (which means they have to refund people from their personal assets rather than the company's).[/p][/quote]Trading while insolvent isnt a crime however "Trading while insolvent without a reasonable expectation of trading back into a solvent position" is a criminal offence The law being misunderstood is the 'wrongful trading' provision of the Insolvency Act 1986 londonbythesea
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5:38pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Sweepster says...

All this talk about making a loss last year.....

when Latitude was starts 4 (I think) years ago I'm sure I read the organisers say it will take at least 3 years for it to become a profitable event.

So if Latitude can do it, why couldnt Beachdown? Sounds like bad management to me.
All this talk about making a loss last year..... when Latitude was starts 4 (I think) years ago I'm sure I read the organisers say it will take at least 3 years for it to become a profitable event. So if Latitude can do it, why couldnt Beachdown? Sounds like bad management to me. Sweepster
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5:44pm Wed 26 Aug 09

thevoiceoftruth says...

I was interested to read this on e-festivals (see posts by admins) http://www.efestival
s.co.uk/forums/index
.php?showtopic=12707
6&st=20

It seems they knew that this festival was virtually bankrupt and was never going to happen so didn't promote it. I quote....

"What we have known since the end of last year is that ticket money from sales for this year was being used to pay off some of last year's debts (some debts still haven't been settled and are proceding to court), which made this year's event seem unviable to us.

You might have noticed that eFestivals didn't run any news on the various Beachdown announcements for this year, and that was deliberate - knowing what we do know, we always felt it was unlikely to happen or if it did go ahead it probably wouldn't be much like it was advertised as - and so we didn't think it was wise to encourage our readers to go by running news stories about it"

So not sure I believe the organisers who seem to have been stringing this out in order to get as much money as possible before the inevitable cancellation.
I was interested to read this on e-festivals (see posts by admins) http://www.efestival s.co.uk/forums/index .php?showtopic=12707 6&st=20 It seems they knew that this festival was virtually bankrupt and was never going to happen so didn't promote it. I quote.... "What we have known since the end of last year is that ticket money from sales for this year was being used to pay off some of last year's debts (some debts still haven't been settled and are proceding to court), which made this year's event seem unviable to us. You might have noticed that eFestivals didn't run any news on the various Beachdown announcements for this year, and that was deliberate - knowing what we do know, we always felt it was unlikely to happen or if it did go ahead it probably wouldn't be much like it was advertised as - and so we didn't think it was wise to encourage our readers to go by running news stories about it" So not sure I believe the organisers who seem to have been stringing this out in order to get as much money as possible before the inevitable cancellation. thevoiceoftruth
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5:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Chessietd says...

This was meant to be a Brighton Festival, for Brighton people with Brighton bands?!

Really feel for people with tickets for this.

James at the Concorde is AS EVER being a hero machine. At least they're offering ticket holders what they were promised; the Brighton bands at no extra charge. I hear they've rescued a lot of the acts and transfered them over. They're looking to put up funds for some of the larger acts as well. A selfless act, just what's been needed.

C2 are refunding all tickets brought from them as well. Hats off too them.
This was meant to be a Brighton Festival, for Brighton people with Brighton bands?! Really feel for people with tickets for this. James at the Concorde is AS EVER being a hero machine. At least they're offering ticket holders what they were promised; the Brighton bands at no extra charge. I hear they've rescued a lot of the acts and transfered them over. They're looking to put up funds for some of the larger acts as well. A selfless act, just what's been needed. C2 are refunding all tickets brought from them as well. Hats off too them. Chessietd
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6:14pm Wed 26 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

these things are not as uncommon as you'd believe. the festival run by ben gill/ocean rooms cancelled the brand new heavies at the last minute and as far as i'm aware (according to a friend) they wouldnt entertain idea of refund either.

these things are not as uncommon as you'd believe. the festival run by ben gill/ocean rooms cancelled the brand new heavies at the last minute and as far as i'm aware (according to a friend) they wouldnt entertain idea of refund either. londonbythesea
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6:34pm Wed 26 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

apparently someone knows that it was gonna get cancelled 3 months ago as per twitter below.

http://twitter.com/H
eyRusty/statuses/355
8856910

apparently someone knows that it was gonna get cancelled 3 months ago as per twitter below. http://twitter.com/H eyRusty/statuses/355 8856910 londonbythesea
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6:40pm Wed 26 Aug 09

furrycow says...

Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
[quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. furrycow
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6:46pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Beansy says...

Barty80 wrote:
I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous!
Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!!
Have a look at the conditions for yourself.

http://www.midsussex
.gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/
msdcpublic/resources
/Beachdown2009Condit
ions .pdf

Most of them are quite reasonable and are what any competent festival organiser should expect to include in their planning. There are a few areas where the conditions appear draconian, but these are the result of having got it wrong in 2008. Bearing in mind the, let us say, conservative nature of the area, a degree of stridency was only to be expected.

One interesting point is what happens to the £50,844.55 invoiced by the police for covering the event and due for payment in the first week of August. Assuming it has a) not been reduced (condition 34) and b) has actually been paid, will any of it be available to reimburse unpaid suppliers, traders and concessionaires and ticket holders or will it all be taken by the usual preferential creditors and lawyers?

Another sum of £100,000 (condition 49) was to be assured to the local authority in June to cover damage to the highway infrastructure. This was not necessarily to be paid in cash, a bond or insurance policy would have been acceptable, therefore it is unlikely that this sum is available to cover outstanding debts.

We shall have to wait and see. Another splendid reason to keep reading The Argus.
[quote][p][bold]Barty80[/bold] wrote: I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous! Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!![/p][/quote]Have a look at the conditions for yourself. http://www.midsussex .gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/ msdcpublic/resources /Beachdown2009Condit ions .pdf Most of them are quite reasonable and are what any competent festival organiser should expect to include in their planning. There are a few areas where the conditions appear draconian, but these are the result of having got it wrong in 2008. Bearing in mind the, let us say, conservative nature of the area, a degree of stridency was only to be expected. One interesting point is what happens to the £50,844.55 invoiced by the police for covering the event and due for payment in the first week of August. Assuming it has a) not been reduced (condition 34) and b) has actually been paid, will any of it be available to reimburse unpaid suppliers, traders and concessionaires and ticket holders or will it all be taken by the usual preferential creditors and lawyers? Another sum of £100,000 (condition 49) was to be assured to the local authority in June to cover damage to the highway infrastructure. This was not necessarily to be paid in cash, a bond or insurance policy would have been acceptable, therefore it is unlikely that this sum is available to cover outstanding debts. We shall have to wait and see. Another splendid reason to keep reading The Argus. Beansy
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6:47pm Wed 26 Aug 09

hollygolightly says...

Think that BandWagonDiva is probably one of the organisers! V festival was last week therefore was not competition for Beachdown. Think that likelihood is that the organisers have spent most of the time schmoozing rather than organising! They should have concentrated on keeping it small rather than running before they can walk. Last year was a shambles but they got away with it because of the novelty value of the festival.
Think that BandWagonDiva is probably one of the organisers! V festival was last week therefore was not competition for Beachdown. Think that likelihood is that the organisers have spent most of the time schmoozing rather than organising! They should have concentrated on keeping it small rather than running before they can walk. Last year was a shambles but they got away with it because of the novelty value of the festival. hollygolightly
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7:49pm Wed 26 Aug 09

scentral says...

Ah well, lets just hope the sun shines!

There will probably be a few joining me on Brighton beach with a few cans and an i-pod in that case.. but I promise I wont gloat about having NOT lost £100.
Ah well, lets just hope the sun shines! There will probably be a few joining me on Brighton beach with a few cans and an i-pod in that case.. but I promise I wont gloat about having NOT lost £100. scentral
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7:50pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Whizzy says...

It was predicted sometime ago.... "Last month The Argus reported how Beachdown was having severe cash flow problems and owed local businesses up to £30,000."Nov-08 (article has since been pulled by Argus).
It was obvious this years ticket sales would be paying off last years debt. Not necessarily gonna make money in the first few years of starting a brand new festival but you got to pay the workers. Shame noone thought of that when they started on this journey.
Was great to having a "local" festival. Organisers got it wrong not allowing any drink & limiting food allowed in, too many rules & regs. We're all in a recession here and noone's made of money, shot yourself in the foot!
Don't care who was on, there were enough bands/artists to attract me. If you don't like who's on, don't go, it's very simple.
Gutted, the last summer bank holiday won't be the same. RIP Beachdown
It was predicted sometime ago.... "Last month The Argus reported how Beachdown was having severe cash flow problems and owed local businesses up to £30,000."Nov-08 (article has since been pulled by Argus). It was obvious this years ticket sales would be paying off last years debt. Not necessarily gonna make money in the first few years of starting a brand new festival but you got to pay the workers. Shame noone thought of that when they started on this journey. Was great to having a "local" festival. Organisers got it wrong not allowing any drink & limiting food allowed in, too many rules & regs. We're all in a recession here and noone's made of money, shot yourself in the foot! Don't care who was on, there were enough bands/artists to attract me. If you don't like who's on, don't go, it's very simple. Gutted, the last summer bank holiday won't be the same. RIP Beachdown Whizzy
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7:53pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
[quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. [/p][/quote]Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Gerorfmoilaaand
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7:56pm Wed 26 Aug 09

furrycow says...

Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live.
[quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. [/p][/quote]Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live. furrycow
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8:42pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live.
Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven.....
[quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. [/p][/quote]Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live. [/p][/quote]Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven..... Gerorfmoilaaand
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9:15pm Wed 26 Aug 09

scaffolder says...

stick to zorbin then
stick to zorbin then scaffolder
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9:23pm Wed 26 Aug 09

BecksBrighton says...

We are a charity and had paid almost £400 for a stall and staff passes and have heard nothing about whether we'll get the money back. Will the Directors/organisers even bother to communiate with people? I appreciate they will be bombarded with calls and e-mails but some more information on their website with regards to whether people may get their money back would be nice!
We are a charity and had paid almost £400 for a stall and staff passes and have heard nothing about whether we'll get the money back. Will the Directors/organisers even bother to communiate with people? I appreciate they will be bombarded with calls and e-mails but some more information on their website with regards to whether people may get their money back would be nice! BecksBrighton
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9:32pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Rocker says...

According to efestival website, Beachdown was claiming "last few tickets available" on 24 August. Pretending they were doing well,and grab the last few while you can,don't miss out! Doesn't sit comfortably with the claim today that poor ticket sales contributed to the cancellation. Something not kosher here!

Also on efestival website is a comment which probably sums up the whole situation : "The problem with the likes of Beachdown is that it's tried to establish itself as a big fest without having the big finance behind it to do it. The only way it would have ever succeeded is by getting lucky" and " Like any business it should have the investment in place beforehand to match its ambitions"

Out of their depth.....but protected by being a limited company.

According to efestival website, Beachdown was claiming "last few tickets available" on 24 August. Pretending they were doing well,and grab the last few while you can,don't miss out! Doesn't sit comfortably with the claim today that poor ticket sales contributed to the cancellation. Something not kosher here! Also on efestival website is a comment which probably sums up the whole situation : "The problem with the likes of Beachdown is that it's tried to establish itself as a big fest without having the big finance behind it to do it. The only way it would have ever succeeded is by getting lucky" and " Like any business it should have the investment in place beforehand to match its ambitions" Out of their depth.....but protected by being a limited company. Rocker
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9:51pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Beansy says...

If you really really want to go to Beachdown you can still buy tickets at World Ticket Line.Com. Well, it gets as far as the payment page. I decided not to test it to the bitter end.
If you really really want to go to Beachdown you can still buy tickets at World Ticket Line.Com. Well, it gets as far as the payment page. I decided not to test it to the bitter end. Beansy
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10:00pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Disappointed24 says...

"Found a picture of the pr*** responsible (Joe Pidgeon). if you spot him sunning himself on a beach in S. Thailand/ Goa, do pass on the word ...
"
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/lifehealth/goi
nggreen/the_green_ro
oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg
eon__festival_organi
ser__Brighton/
"Found a picture of the pr*** responsible (Joe Pidgeon). if you spot him sunning himself on a beach in S. Thailand/ Goa, do pass on the word ... " http://www.theargus. co.uk/lifehealth/goi nggreen/the_green_ro oom/3654915.Joe_Pidg eon__festival_organi ser__Brighton/ Disappointed24
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10:01pm Wed 26 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

facebook 4th august

"practically sold out...tickets now only available online...all physical tickets now sold out in most outlets"

facebook 26th august

"...due to slower than forecast ticket-sales...we have been forced to cancel the event..."




facebook 4th august "practically sold out...tickets now only available online...all physical tickets now sold out in most outlets" facebook 26th august "...due to slower than forecast ticket-sales...we have been forced to cancel the event..." londonbythesea
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10:02pm Wed 26 Aug 09

discotek says...

The issue here is not the reccession, or the event...
Great line up, great location and Brighton is a winning combination...
the problem lies with the arrogance of the promotors after last years complete disaster of a festival, rather than apply for Awards, they should have apologised for opening the gates hours and hours late, for not having the site safe before the day of the event. For not having the site set up properly and not making enough consideration of the wants of proper festival goers.
No apology, no offer to look after those affected. arrogant statements about 'jumping in to save bloom' and now a self pitying statement, with barely an apology for the festival goers themselves.
Poor marketing and arrogance have ruined what should have been a total sell out event, just like every single other festival has this bank holiday weekend!
Let's just hope Brighton does what it does best and saves the day for no-one other than the people who want to dance and enjoy themselves this weekend!
The issue here is not the reccession, or the event... Great line up, great location and Brighton is a winning combination... the problem lies with the arrogance of the promotors after last years complete disaster of a festival, rather than apply for Awards, they should have apologised for opening the gates hours and hours late, for not having the site safe before the day of the event. For not having the site set up properly and not making enough consideration of the wants of proper festival goers. No apology, no offer to look after those affected. arrogant statements about 'jumping in to save bloom' and now a self pitying statement, with barely an apology for the festival goers themselves. Poor marketing and arrogance have ruined what should have been a total sell out event, just like every single other festival has this bank holiday weekend! Let's just hope Brighton does what it does best and saves the day for no-one other than the people who want to dance and enjoy themselves this weekend! discotek
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10:08pm Wed 26 Aug 09

longwayhome says...

Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live.
Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven.....
You sound like a beautiful person Gerorfmoilaaand - looks like we have all had a lucky escape not having to come anywhere near you - presumably you will return the favour by not coming anywhere near Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. [/p][/quote]Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live. [/p][/quote]Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven.....[/p][/quote]You sound like a beautiful person Gerorfmoilaaand - looks like we have all had a lucky escape not having to come anywhere near you - presumably you will return the favour by not coming anywhere near Brighton. longwayhome
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10:26pm Wed 26 Aug 09

discotek says...

Aand yes 'Beansy', you sound like someone who knows Joe P. As do I a little, and therefore hold this opinion from first hand experience of him.
Good people around him, Ida, Ali, Darren etc, but Mr' Big let them and everyone else down in this case.
Poor show, embarassing....
Aand yes 'Beansy', you sound like someone who knows Joe P. As do I a little, and therefore hold this opinion from first hand experience of him. Good people around him, Ida, Ali, Darren etc, but Mr' Big let them and everyone else down in this case. Poor show, embarassing.... discotek
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10:28pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Disappointed24 says...

perhaps this image should be printed off and nailed to every 'telegraph pole' in brighton, wild west style, under the caption 'Wanted ..':

http://4.bp.blogspot
.com/_Di7ys15etO8/Sp
WgoMt4lQI/AAAAAAAAFh
E/ddaxs7G6yfA/s1600-
h/-1.jpg

new to B-town but surely the home of direct action, non?

urs, out of pocket +++ x
perhaps this image should be printed off and nailed to every 'telegraph pole' in brighton, wild west style, under the caption 'Wanted ..': http://4.bp.blogspot .com/_Di7ys15etO8/Sp WgoMt4lQI/AAAAAAAAFh E/ddaxs7G6yfA/s1600- h/-1.jpg new to B-town but surely the home of direct action, non? urs, out of pocket +++ x Disappointed24
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10:30pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Disappointed24 says...

ps - its an image of 'Mr Big' .. apparently .. Joe P .. come on down big shot. gosh i don't normally bother posting but am a little annoyed, lord forgive me
ps - its an image of 'Mr Big' .. apparently .. Joe P .. come on down big shot. gosh i don't normally bother posting but am a little annoyed, lord forgive me Disappointed24
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11:13pm Wed 26 Aug 09

auldgold says...

Brighton has a long history of bullsh+++ers and chancers and this crew are no different, powdered noses and delusions of grandeur. More fool those who were duped into parting with their money, so they could 'tick off' this sham of an event on their clipboard of 'iwasthere2009'. As for getting Fatboy Quim to take it on... Ha! Do me a favour, his last NY Day exploit was more of a disaster than this (but at least it was on for an hour or so). Leave the raving in the past or at least to professionals, rather than the amateurs that seem to proliferate this once great Town (City)
Brighton has a long history of bullsh+++ers and chancers and this crew are no different, powdered noses and delusions of grandeur. More fool those who were duped into parting with their money, so they could 'tick off' this sham of an event on their clipboard of 'iwasthere2009'. As for getting Fatboy Quim to take it on... Ha! Do me a favour, his last NY Day exploit was more of a disaster than this (but at least it was on for an hour or so). Leave the raving in the past or at least to professionals, rather than the amateurs that seem to proliferate this once great Town (City) auldgold
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11:49pm Wed 26 Aug 09

Bust says...

For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it.
Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected.
For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it. Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected. Bust
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2:36am Thu 27 Aug 09

bumbee'd says...

I thought it was strange when my boyfriend and I wanted to volunteer at the festival and got an email saying we had to pay £99 to do so! apparently this was a deposit to make sure we turn up and were told that we'd get it back 4 weeks AFTER the festival and that other festivals did the same
. I've volunteered many festivals and never had to pay a penny, so I thought that it was strange that we had to do this, I'm so glad I didn't bother now!!
I thought it was strange when my boyfriend and I wanted to volunteer at the festival and got an email saying we had to pay £99 to do so! apparently this was a deposit to make sure we turn up and were told that we'd get it back 4 weeks AFTER the festival and that other festivals did the same . I've volunteered many festivals and never had to pay a penny, so I thought that it was strange that we had to do this, I'm so glad I didn't bother now!! bumbee'd
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3:31am Thu 27 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

longwayhome wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
furrycow wrote:
Gerorfmoilaaand wrote:
These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......
I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field.
Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live.
Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven.....
You sound like a beautiful person Gerorfmoilaaand - looks like we have all had a lucky escape not having to come anywhere near you - presumably you will return the favour by not coming anywhere near Brighton.
Believe me, I avoid it like the plague, I lived there for many years; drug addicts, winos, crusties, beggars, deeply sad fashionistas, and failed Londoners, I feel in need of a good bath when I have the misfortune to have to drive through the place.
[quote][p][bold]longwayhome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gerorfmoilaaand[/bold] wrote: These regulations are dreamt up by people who care about the people who actually live in the vicinity, if you want festivals, keep them in Brighton where no one will bat an eyelid at all the crusties and dogs on string, why the hell should we put up with your din and filth.......[/p][/quote]I live in the vicinity, the regulations catered for the dismal village of Poynings and the stuck up people who live there with all their crazy demands like, 'where am I supposed to walk my horse at the weekend'! Not one incident happened in your beloved hobbit hole last year. As far as I can remember none of you had a leg to stand on in your little council hut meetings with all the lies you were trying to spin, let's not make fools of ourselves again hey? I think the alternative to this weekend should be a rave in your lovely playing field. [/p][/quote]Loser, I hope you don't get your money back, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! didn't actually pay for one. I know where you live. [/p][/quote]Maybe you can do something useful this weekend now, like sticking your head in the gas oven.....[/p][/quote]You sound like a beautiful person Gerorfmoilaaand - looks like we have all had a lucky escape not having to come anywhere near you - presumably you will return the favour by not coming anywhere near Brighton.[/p][/quote]Believe me, I avoid it like the plague, I lived there for many years; drug addicts, winos, crusties, beggars, deeply sad fashionistas, and failed Londoners, I feel in need of a good bath when I have the misfortune to have to drive through the place. Gerorfmoilaaand
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7:14am Thu 27 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

Disappointed24 wrote:
perhaps this image should be printed off and nailed to every 'telegraph pole' in brighton, wild west style, under the caption 'Wanted ..':

http://4.bp.blogspot

.com/_Di7ys15etO8/Sp

WgoMt4lQI/AAAAAAAAFh

E/ddaxs7G6yfA/s1600-

h/-1.jpg

new to B-town but surely the home of direct action, non?

urs, out of pocket +++ x
a rather wonderful photo of the man himself, joe pidgeon.

are those sunglasses hiding perhaps tears of anguish over the cancellation of the festival or is he just another too cool brighton lad?

what about the other people behind beachdown, darren for example, cant let poor old joe shoulder the blame himself......
[quote][p][bold]Disappointed24[/bold] wrote: perhaps this image should be printed off and nailed to every 'telegraph pole' in brighton, wild west style, under the caption 'Wanted ..': http://4.bp.blogspot .com/_Di7ys15etO8/Sp WgoMt4lQI/AAAAAAAAFh E/ddaxs7G6yfA/s1600- h/-1.jpg new to B-town but surely the home of direct action, non? urs, out of pocket +++ x[/p][/quote]a rather wonderful photo of the man himself, joe pidgeon. are those sunglasses hiding perhaps tears of anguish over the cancellation of the festival or is he just another too cool brighton lad? what about the other people behind beachdown, darren for example, cant let poor old joe shoulder the blame himself...... londonbythesea
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7:27am Thu 27 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

and what about all those other one-off events that the beachdown brand put on in 2009. de la soul, terry callier, the many beachdown "warm up" nights that occurred?

a great marketing ploy or perhpas early signs of a cash problem?

my thoughts are that all the time of those involved would have been better spent focussing 100% on the actual festival itself and not these other events. and if these other events also lost money? then that's even worse....

and what about all those other one-off events that the beachdown brand put on in 2009. de la soul, terry callier, the many beachdown "warm up" nights that occurred? a great marketing ploy or perhpas early signs of a cash problem? my thoughts are that all the time of those involved would have been better spent focussing 100% on the actual festival itself and not these other events. and if these other events also lost money? then that's even worse.... londonbythesea
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7:30am Thu 27 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

Bust wrote:
For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it.
Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected.
if the financial position is not a licensing issue then that makes a mockery of one story circulating. the story states that the licence was pulled because of the financial issues surrounding the festival earlier in the week, rather than the organisers canning it themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Bust[/bold] wrote: For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it. Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected.[/p][/quote]if the financial position is not a licensing issue then that makes a mockery of one story circulating. the story states that the licence was pulled because of the financial issues surrounding the festival earlier in the week, rather than the organisers canning it themselves. londonbythesea
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7:50am Thu 27 Aug 09

Barty80 says...

Beansy wrote:
Barty80 wrote:
I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous!
Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!!
Have a look at the conditions for yourself.

http://www.midsussex

.gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/

msdcpublic/resources

/Beachdown2009Condit

ions .pdf

Most of them are quite reasonable and are what any competent festival organiser should expect to include in their planning. There are a few areas where the conditions appear draconian, but these are the result of having got it wrong in 2008. Bearing in mind the, let us say, conservative nature of the area, a degree of stridency was only to be expected.

One interesting point is what happens to the £50,844.55 invoiced by the police for covering the event and due for payment in the first week of August. Assuming it has a) not been reduced (condition 34) and b) has actually been paid, will any of it be available to reimburse unpaid suppliers, traders and concessionaires and ticket holders or will it all be taken by the usual preferential creditors and lawyers?

Another sum of £100,000 (condition 49) was to be assured to the local authority in June to cover damage to the highway infrastructure. This was not necessarily to be paid in cash, a bond or insurance policy would have been acceptable, therefore it is unlikely that this sum is available to cover outstanding debts.

We shall have to wait and see. Another splendid reason to keep reading The Argus.
Thanks for the replies..very interesting reading.. I have a couple of small gripes..
1) I'm not from Brighton so don't generally read the Argus, so despite their 'findings/reports' I wouldn't have seen them.
2) When I mention 'reseraching' festivals, I was more looking at festival forums/national press (which, even on the BD website had all been positive comments).. as a novice first timer, it wouldn't occur to me to research the organisers 'financial state' and I would never dreamed of looking at http://www.midsussex

.gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/

msdcpublic/resources

/Beachdown2009Condit

ions .pdf ... live and learn 'eh?
To me, I consider myself a fairly savvy person and thought the website seemed legit, professional (if I'm honest) and they seemed to have the backing of a lot of local businesses - so were none of the sponsors/local businesses/restauran
ts that were mentioned actually behind this event?

I feel more upbeat today, but am still hugely gutted and still feel duped.
Very embarrassing!
[quote][p][bold]Beansy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Barty80[/bold] wrote: I am one of the poor ticket holders. I have never been to a festival, always fancied it, thought this would be a good first one. What makes me LAUGH after reading all these comments is that despite all the research I did before booking, I didn't see any comments like the above, the organisers, the sham of last yr, the money problems, all I saw was positive comments and feedback including in the 'Cool Festival' guidebook.. isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, a few more forums with comments from the people who felt duped from last year or who had 'no faith' that it would go ahead would have been marvellous! Still onwards and upwards have booked a girly theatre break to London instead. Can't wallow in self pity forever!![/p][/quote]Have a look at the conditions for yourself. http://www.midsussex .gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/ msdcpublic/resources /Beachdown2009Condit ions .pdf Most of them are quite reasonable and are what any competent festival organiser should expect to include in their planning. There are a few areas where the conditions appear draconian, but these are the result of having got it wrong in 2008. Bearing in mind the, let us say, conservative nature of the area, a degree of stridency was only to be expected. One interesting point is what happens to the £50,844.55 invoiced by the police for covering the event and due for payment in the first week of August. Assuming it has a) not been reduced (condition 34) and b) has actually been paid, will any of it be available to reimburse unpaid suppliers, traders and concessionaires and ticket holders or will it all be taken by the usual preferential creditors and lawyers? Another sum of £100,000 (condition 49) was to be assured to the local authority in June to cover damage to the highway infrastructure. This was not necessarily to be paid in cash, a bond or insurance policy would have been acceptable, therefore it is unlikely that this sum is available to cover outstanding debts. We shall have to wait and see. Another splendid reason to keep reading The Argus. [/p][/quote]Thanks for the replies..very interesting reading.. I have a couple of small gripes.. 1) I'm not from Brighton so don't generally read the Argus, so despite their 'findings/reports' I wouldn't have seen them. 2) When I mention 'reseraching' festivals, I was more looking at festival forums/national press (which, even on the BD website had all been positive comments).. as a novice first timer, it wouldn't occur to me to research the organisers 'financial state' and I would never dreamed of looking at http://www.midsussex .gov.uk/Nimoi/sites/ msdcpublic/resources /Beachdown2009Condit ions .pdf ... live and learn 'eh? To me, I consider myself a fairly savvy person and thought the website seemed legit, professional (if I'm honest) and they seemed to have the backing of a lot of local businesses - so were none of the sponsors/local businesses/restauran ts that were mentioned actually behind this event? I feel more upbeat today, but am still hugely gutted and still feel duped. Very embarrassing! Barty80
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8:33am Thu 27 Aug 09

pancaker says...

I thought it was a bit fishy when they sold the festival on it's "green" credentials but chose to host it in a place you could only reach by road.
I thought it was a bit fishy when they sold the festival on it's "green" credentials but chose to host it in a place you could only reach by road. pancaker
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9:25am Thu 27 Aug 09

N-dogg says...

It's a small town Joe......I'd keep your head down for a while!
It's a small town Joe......I'd keep your head down for a while! N-dogg
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9:42am Thu 27 Aug 09

Bust says...

londonbythesea wrote:
Bust wrote:
For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it.
Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected.
if the financial position is not a licensing issue then that makes a mockery of one story circulating. the story states that the licence was pulled because of the financial issues surrounding the festival earlier in the week, rather than the organisers canning it themselves.
The organisers have always been fully aware of the costs/guarantees/bon
ds required of them. These are standard for events such as this. It is not that the financial issues were not known, it was that the money wasn't there in the first place. Joe Pigeon has been winging it for 2 years.

They have taken the money from punters up to the last conceivable moment, then pull the event, and then think that heart-fealt apology will do.

Does anyone know what the food is like in Lewes Prison?
[quote][p][bold]londonbythesea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bust[/bold] wrote: For the record, Councillors at Mid Sussex who were concerned that contractors from last year had not been paid, asked Mr Pigeon to provide evidence that that he had the financial backing to hold this year's festival. Pigeon's barrister pointed out (correctly) that that the financial position of the organisers was none of their business and was "not a licensing issue". If the licensing system in this country does not allow those who try to protect the public from being ripped off, then this will happen again and again. There is nothing any licensing authority can do about it. Be warned, and in future only pay by credit card, only then is your money protected.[/p][/quote]if the financial position is not a licensing issue then that makes a mockery of one story circulating. the story states that the licence was pulled because of the financial issues surrounding the festival earlier in the week, rather than the organisers canning it themselves. [/p][/quote]The organisers have always been fully aware of the costs/guarantees/bon ds required of them. These are standard for events such as this. It is not that the financial issues were not known, it was that the money wasn't there in the first place. Joe Pigeon has been winging it for 2 years. They have taken the money from punters up to the last conceivable moment, then pull the event, and then think that heart-fealt apology will do. Does anyone know what the food is like in Lewes Prison? Bust
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9:56am Thu 27 Aug 09

trader101 says...

we were trading at beachdown along with some friends and we only found out yesterday morning because we looked on the website for a delivery address. the organisers have not sent any emails or phoned us. we would have been on our way down there now if we didnt check. as i am sure loads of traders are doing right now. we have spent thousands on this weekend not to mention all the work we turned away for this weekend and the time it has taken to organise. luckily most of our stock can be used and the things that cant have all been cancelled so all the suppliers in brighton for us are also in the **** with stock to get rid of. all this without even the courtesy of a phone call. we paid are last bit of money a couple of days ago. so even when they were aware it was going tits up, they were still pulling peoples money in. i think it is disgusting and the "organisers" are the lowest of the low.
we were trading at beachdown along with some friends and we only found out yesterday morning because we looked on the website for a delivery address. the organisers have not sent any emails or phoned us. we would have been on our way down there now if we didnt check. as i am sure loads of traders are doing right now. we have spent thousands on this weekend not to mention all the work we turned away for this weekend and the time it has taken to organise. luckily most of our stock can be used and the things that cant have all been cancelled so all the suppliers in brighton for us are also in the **** with stock to get rid of. all this without even the courtesy of a phone call. we paid are last bit of money a couple of days ago. so even when they were aware it was going tits up, they were still pulling peoples money in. i think it is disgusting and the "organisers" are the lowest of the low. trader101
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10:04am Thu 27 Aug 09

DAZZY68 says...

jay316 wrote:
Its does NOT help that this is run on the same weekend as well established festivals such as Leeds, Reading and Solfest.
OK, you lot, listen to this, I have read almost all of your comments and here is my reply to all of them, Joe Pidgeon should quite simply face criminal charges for what he has done! I am not one of the suppliers that he has mentioned but the way he has worded it he has blamed them. I was supposed to be a major part of this event but for the last 12 months I have been trying to get paid for last years event!!! My company decided aftr he begged us and pleaded with us to help him out and various promises that we would be paid for last year to give him another chance.

So many providers from last year still have not been paid, wheres the money gone Joe???

we did not demand payment up front like the others did but I truly understand why they did, basically the directors of Beachdown should be brought up on charges of deception and fraud.

I feel extremely sorry for all the punters out there who were taken in by this con man.

I have already mentioned in this quote but the question still remains, where did all the money go???

good luck to all those people, like me who have also wasted an awful lot of money on this in recovering it because I can guarantee that you will not get a penny, well done beachdown directors, you mugged us all off!!!!

ps, see you in court
[quote][p][bold]jay316[/bold] wrote: Its does NOT help that this is run on the same weekend as well established festivals such as Leeds, Reading and Solfest. [/p][/quote]OK, you lot, listen to this, I have read almost all of your comments and here is my reply to all of them, Joe Pidgeon should quite simply face criminal charges for what he has done! I am not one of the suppliers that he has mentioned but the way he has worded it he has blamed them. I was supposed to be a major part of this event but for the last 12 months I have been trying to get paid for last years event!!! My company decided aftr he begged us and pleaded with us to help him out and various promises that we would be paid for last year to give him another chance. So many providers from last year still have not been paid, wheres the money gone Joe??? we did not demand payment up front like the others did but I truly understand why they did, basically the directors of Beachdown should be brought up on charges of deception and fraud. I feel extremely sorry for all the punters out there who were taken in by this con man. I have already mentioned in this quote but the question still remains, where did all the money go??? good luck to all those people, like me who have also wasted an awful lot of money on this in recovering it because I can guarantee that you will not get a penny, well done beachdown directors, you mugged us all off!!!! ps, see you in court DAZZY68
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12:15pm Thu 27 Aug 09

carlisusu says...

Having learned my lesson by dealing with this bunch of clowns last year as a trader, having had my fingers burnt and never even getting as far as being able to put up my stall on their wind-swept site, I fortunately was wiser this year and did not bother with the whole thing. However, a lot of my friends in the trading world were duped and it is for them that I write this. One person on this forum asked why all this information was not available prior to thousands of people getting ripped off; why last year's event got such great reviews in the press. I, who attended last year (minus my stall, as the organizers created conditions making it impossible and unviable to trade), read the rave reviews with open-mouthed astonishment. None of them matched my first hand (and drug-free) experience of the event. Mutual nose-powering by music business egotists and journalist slags makes it impossible for the truth to come out. If I had aired my opinions prior to this whole fiasco blowing up, it would have just sounded like sour grapes. I am sorry for all of you who lost money. I know how tough things are for many of us at the moment, and I don't gloat over anyone loosing their home, not even the organizers, but this is a case of lots of bull and 'The Emperors New Clothes' syndrome. We were all too afraid to speak out in front of all the 'cool' people. X
Having learned my lesson by dealing with this bunch of clowns last year as a trader, having had my fingers burnt and never even getting as far as being able to put up my stall on their wind-swept site, I fortunately was wiser this year and did not bother with the whole thing. However, a lot of my friends in the trading world were duped and it is for them that I write this. One person on this forum asked why all this information was not available prior to thousands of people getting ripped off; why last year's event got such great reviews in the press. I, who attended last year (minus my stall, as the organizers created conditions making it impossible and unviable to trade), read the rave reviews with open-mouthed astonishment. None of them matched my first hand (and drug-free) experience of the event. Mutual nose-powering by music business egotists and journalist slags makes it impossible for the truth to come out. If I had aired my opinions prior to this whole fiasco blowing up, it would have just sounded like sour grapes. I am sorry for all of you who lost money. I know how tough things are for many of us at the moment, and I don't gloat over anyone loosing their home, not even the organizers, but this is a case of lots of bull and 'The Emperors New Clothes' syndrome. We were all too afraid to speak out in front of all the 'cool' people. X carlisusu
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12:38pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Randsta says...

I really would have loved to go but the line up wasn't that good! I'm gutted that it's not going ahead, it just goes to show that it's **** poor management has cost them!
I really would have loved to go but the line up wasn't that good! I'm gutted that it's not going ahead, it just goes to show that it's **** poor management has cost them! Randsta
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1:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

no surprise says...

i am with whizzy on this, we weren't paid for ages last year and many people were not paid at all. this weekend there are many restaurants, hotels etc (who are already struggling to stay alive) with food, booze etc for thousands of people, hotels that are empty as the bands were booked in, and to be honest they knew this was happening a long time ago. they are not a charity but a money making organization and everyone knows that no one will give you product in advance without payment in advance. brighton is a small place and many people will be very angry and the knock on effect for those business' will be huge. some will simply go out of business now. we are struggling ourselves and am not sure if we will survive in this credit crisis but the last thing we need is someone pulling a fast one on so many honest business', band, suppliers, and ticket holders. it was simply never going to happen. a very sad weekend for brighton.
i am with whizzy on this, we weren't paid for ages last year and many people were not paid at all. this weekend there are many restaurants, hotels etc (who are already struggling to stay alive) with food, booze etc for thousands of people, hotels that are empty as the bands were booked in, and to be honest they knew this was happening a long time ago. they are not a charity but a money making organization and everyone knows that no one will give you product in advance without payment in advance. brighton is a small place and many people will be very angry and the knock on effect for those business' will be huge. some will simply go out of business now. we are struggling ourselves and am not sure if we will survive in this credit crisis but the last thing we need is someone pulling a fast one on so many honest business', band, suppliers, and ticket holders. it was simply never going to happen. a very sad weekend for brighton. no surprise
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1:50pm Thu 27 Aug 09

no surprise says...

i am with whizzy on this, we weren't paid for ages last year and many people were not paid at all. this weekend there are many restaurants, hotels etc (who are already struggling to stay alive) with food, booze etc for thousands of people, hotels that are empty as the bands were booked in, and to be honest they knew this was happening a long time ago. they are not a charity but a money making organization and everyone knows that no one will give you product in advance without payment in advance. brighton is a small place and many people will be very angry and the knock on effect for those business' will be huge. some will simply go out of business now. we are struggling ourselves and am not sure if we will survive in this credit crisis but the last thing we need is someone pulling a fast one on so many honest business', band, suppliers, and ticket holders. it was simply never going to happen. a very sad weekend for brighton.
i am with whizzy on this, we weren't paid for ages last year and many people were not paid at all. this weekend there are many restaurants, hotels etc (who are already struggling to stay alive) with food, booze etc for thousands of people, hotels that are empty as the bands were booked in, and to be honest they knew this was happening a long time ago. they are not a charity but a money making organization and everyone knows that no one will give you product in advance without payment in advance. brighton is a small place and many people will be very angry and the knock on effect for those business' will be huge. some will simply go out of business now. we are struggling ourselves and am not sure if we will survive in this credit crisis but the last thing we need is someone pulling a fast one on so many honest business', band, suppliers, and ticket holders. it was simply never going to happen. a very sad weekend for brighton. no surprise
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2:12pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Mr. Kipling says...

While a music festival in the city would be nice, I wasn`t attracted by the line up. I`ll be going to Wacken Open Air in Germany instead.
While a music festival in the city would be nice, I wasn`t attracted by the line up. I`ll be going to Wacken Open Air in Germany instead. Mr. Kipling
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4:00pm Thu 27 Aug 09

trader101 says...

furrycow wrote:
I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again!
feel for the organizers.... do me a favor , saying they were going to re morgage there houses, what a joke .
i spent thousands on this event and doubt i'll see a penny back from those thieves . small businesses like mine could be ruined by that bunch of scum bags . they should be shot
[quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again! [/p][/quote]feel for the organizers.... do me a favor , saying they were going to re morgage there houses, what a joke . i spent thousands on this event and doubt i'll see a penny back from those thieves . small businesses like mine could be ruined by that bunch of scum bags . they should be shot trader101
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8:55pm Thu 27 Aug 09

hobo says...

you know what gerorfmoilaaand i'm ashamed to live anywhere near you. Brighton has wide variety of people because the people living there are not prejedice gits like yourself! Most of my friends live in brighton and i might invite some in our lovely villages! And as they live in brighton they MUST be one of the wonderfull types of people your described in one of your previous comments. I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong but i will always stand by someone that offered a brilliant event for people in sussex and surrounding counties so thank you beachdown for last year it was fantastic i'm just so sorry you had to put up with pig ignorant people that think they now have one over on you, they don't, they just look like imature babies that have far to much time on their hands and simply have nothing else to do with there time !
you know what gerorfmoilaaand i'm ashamed to live anywhere near you. Brighton has wide variety of people because the people living there are not prejedice gits like yourself! Most of my friends live in brighton and i might invite some in our lovely villages! And as they live in brighton they MUST be one of the wonderfull types of people your described in one of your previous comments. I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong but i will always stand by someone that offered a brilliant event for people in sussex and surrounding counties so thank you beachdown for last year it was fantastic i'm just so sorry you had to put up with pig ignorant people that think they now have one over on you, they don't, they just look like imature babies that have far to much time on their hands and simply have nothing else to do with there time ! hobo
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10:20pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Disappointed24 says...

> I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong

are you f*****g kidding me??? tried their best? possibly. defraud and deception last 2 weeks (at least)? they were taking money off people right up to last minute. they even contacted my mate in NHS *THIS WEEK* to offer half price tix. Happy you've got a parent who can give you £250k for some 'no mark 1st festival pie-eyed let me show i can be a success' scheme, but they were happy to con low paid public sector workers money WE utterly graft for, right up until the judgement hour. they need to fry. lose your fancy flint, white washed conservatory? my arse. u'll get yours pal 'in this life or the next.'

And as for the BBC -- Show me the money! they got the softest left off, of an interview from bbc south east this evening. I am incredulous that the fundamental question was not asked: what provision have you made for those who've given you money to get it back? double screwed. BBC. that's my tax-payers money. are you all in it together?
> I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong are you f*****g kidding me??? tried their best? possibly. defraud and deception last 2 weeks (at least)? they were taking money off people right up to last minute. they even contacted my mate in NHS *THIS WEEK* to offer half price tix. Happy you've got a parent who can give you £250k for some 'no mark 1st festival pie-eyed let me show i can be a success' scheme, but they were happy to con low paid public sector workers money WE utterly graft for, right up until the judgement hour. they need to fry. lose your fancy flint, white washed conservatory? my arse. u'll get yours pal 'in this life or the next.' And as for the BBC -- Show me the money! they got the softest left off, of an interview from bbc south east this evening. I am incredulous that the fundamental question was not asked: what provision have you made for those who've given you money to get it back? double screwed. BBC. that's my tax-payers money. are you all in it together? Disappointed24
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10:33pm Thu 27 Aug 09

Dave At Home says...

trader101 wrote:
furrycow wrote:
I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again!
feel for the organizers.... do me a favor , saying they were going to re morgage there houses, what a joke .
i spent thousands on this event and doubt i'll see a penny back from those thieves . small businesses like mine could be ruined by that bunch of scum bags . they should be shot
and you were doing this for charity were you? give me a break..... you were coming down here to fleece them as well and well you know it..... Brighton does not need any more rip off merchants.... stay away.
[quote][p][bold]trader101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]furrycow[/bold] wrote: I feel for the organizers, they put a lot into making this work. Last year WAS awesome. I'm not sure what all the negativity is about. People did want to go this year but thought they could just jump the fence. So really the penniless hippie's did want to go, but wouldn't part with any money. Thanks Beachdown for last year, it was amazing and thanks residents of Brighton for ruining things again! [/p][/quote]feel for the organizers.... do me a favor , saying they were going to re morgage there houses, what a joke . i spent thousands on this event and doubt i'll see a penny back from those thieves . small businesses like mine could be ruined by that bunch of scum bags . they should be shot [/p][/quote]and you were doing this for charity were you? give me a break..... you were coming down here to fleece them as well and well you know it..... Brighton does not need any more rip off merchants.... stay away. Dave At Home
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11:36pm Thu 27 Aug 09

theobserver says...

Much has been covered in previous post but just wanted to add a few comments.
There is no denying last year was a lot of fun,despite it not being full & the weather being changeable.
If you were trading there,maybe it was less so but from the point of view of most folk who were involved as artists or just came along it was a good fun weekend.There were of course some problems as would be expected for a first event. The biggest of which seemed to be security. I saw people just walking in & I also walked in past security without getting my band checked. A lot of people who heard about this would have decided NOT to buy tickets this year & to chance their luck getting in.
Someone above mentioned the shady charachter ISH from Essential festival who is infamous for not paying people.Well I saw him hanging out at the festival with the organisers which gave me cause wonder if he was involved in the festival to some degree which gave me cause for concern.
Much has been covered in previous post but just wanted to add a few comments. There is no denying last year was a lot of fun,despite it not being full & the weather being changeable. If you were trading there,maybe it was less so but from the point of view of most folk who were involved as artists or just came along it was a good fun weekend.There were of course some problems as would be expected for a first event. The biggest of which seemed to be security. I saw people just walking in & I also walked in past security without getting my band checked. A lot of people who heard about this would have decided NOT to buy tickets this year & to chance their luck getting in. Someone above mentioned the shady charachter ISH from Essential festival who is infamous for not paying people.Well I saw him hanging out at the festival with the organisers which gave me cause wonder if he was involved in the festival to some degree which gave me cause for concern. theobserver
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1:25am Fri 28 Aug 09

snortus says...

Over 150 people from Poynings and Fulking enjoyed Beachdown last year and the same number were looking forward to this year. Neither Parish Council voted against the Festival - it was Mid Sussex District Council that was strongly against it.
Over 150 people from Poynings and Fulking enjoyed Beachdown last year and the same number were looking forward to this year. Neither Parish Council voted against the Festival - it was Mid Sussex District Council that was strongly against it. snortus
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11:40am Fri 28 Aug 09

londonbythesea says...

perhaps with enough people voicing their concern to the consumer advocates watchdog via their website

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/watchdog/gotastory/


we can see pidgeon, murphy et al on the tv answering questions


also dont forget to let trading standards know about this

if you live in brighton here are the llocal dtls

Brighton and Hove Council
Trading Standards Department
Bartholomew House
Bartholomew Square
Brighton
Sussex
BN1 1JP


t: 08454 040506 (Consumer Direct for consumer advice)

http://www.tradingst
andards.gov.uk/brigh
ton-hove/
perhaps with enough people voicing their concern to the consumer advocates watchdog via their website http://www.bbc.co.uk /watchdog/gotastory/ we can see pidgeon, murphy et al on the tv answering questions also dont forget to let trading standards know about this if you live in brighton here are the llocal dtls Brighton and Hove Council Trading Standards Department Bartholomew House Bartholomew Square Brighton Sussex BN1 1JP t: 08454 040506 (Consumer Direct for consumer advice) http://www.tradingst andards.gov.uk/brigh ton-hove/ londonbythesea
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3:42pm Fri 28 Aug 09

Gerorfmoilaaand says...

hobo wrote:
you know what gerorfmoilaaand i'm ashamed to live anywhere near you. Brighton has wide variety of people because the people living there are not prejedice gits like yourself! Most of my friends live in brighton and i might invite some in our lovely villages! And as they live in brighton they MUST be one of the wonderfull types of people your described in one of your previous comments. I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong but i will always stand by someone that offered a brilliant event for people in sussex and surrounding counties so thank you beachdown for last year it was fantastic i'm just so sorry you had to put up with pig ignorant people that think they now have one over on you, they don't, they just look like imature babies that have far to much time on their hands and simply have nothing else to do with there time !
Do you know what? I couldn't give a rat's arse what you are ashamed of, and my knees are really knocking at the prospect of you inviting your riff-raff friends to Fulking, that'll 'learn' me, I'll bet! As for you standing by that Pidgeon fella.....It's alright everybody, don't worry about being burned by those crooks, Hobo stands by them.
It might have escaped your notice, but the likes of me do have one up on them, MSDC won't allow it to happen again, so you'll have to go to Brighton for your crusty entertainment, and leave the countryside to those of us who enjoy it for what it is. BTW, it looks to me like it's you who is crying like a big baby, because you can't go to your poxy festival, my heart is bleeding for you, honest!
[quote][p][bold]hobo[/bold] wrote: you know what gerorfmoilaaand i'm ashamed to live anywhere near you. Brighton has wide variety of people because the people living there are not prejedice gits like yourself! Most of my friends live in brighton and i might invite some in our lovely villages! And as they live in brighton they MUST be one of the wonderfull types of people your described in one of your previous comments. I dont know if Joe is in the right or wrong but i will always stand by someone that offered a brilliant event for people in sussex and surrounding counties so thank you beachdown for last year it was fantastic i'm just so sorry you had to put up with pig ignorant people that think they now have one over on you, they don't, they just look like imature babies that have far to much time on their hands and simply have nothing else to do with there time ! [/p][/quote]Do you know what? I couldn't give a rat's arse what you are ashamed of, and my knees are really knocking at the prospect of you inviting your riff-raff friends to Fulking, that'll 'learn' me, I'll bet! As for you standing by that Pidgeon fella.....It's alright everybody, don't worry about being burned by those crooks, Hobo stands by them. It might have escaped your notice, but the likes of me do have one up on them, MSDC won't allow it to happen again, so you'll have to go to Brighton for your crusty entertainment, and leave the countryside to those of us who enjoy it for what it is. BTW, it looks to me like it's you who is crying like a big baby, because you can't go to your poxy festival, my heart is bleeding for you, honest! Gerorfmoilaaand
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7:40am Sun 30 Aug 09

David Panter says...

I wish I'd given my money to Pride Festival instead. That is a decent, well-organised festival that is committed to keeping itself free for punters and brings in masses of money to the local economy, with little or no financial support from many of those who profit from it.
I wish I'd given my money to Pride Festival instead. That is a decent, well-organised festival that is committed to keeping itself free for punters and brings in masses of money to the local economy, with little or no financial support from many of those who profit from it. David Panter
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2:17pm Mon 31 Aug 09

Bobbo says...

Ok, here are some comments from a Beachdown ticket holder (anyone want to buy my drinks tokens off me?).
1) Not eveyone in Sussex is this bitchy!
2) I think it's unfair to call ticket buyers 'mugs', as I was doing so in good faith.
3) 6000 ticket holders @ £100 each + however many stall holders paying £1,000 = suppliers and staff (wtf?) not being paid? It just DOESN'T ADD UP. Where has it all gone? Surely this is totally illegal. I contacted Grandmaster Flash's office on 26th and they already knew it had been cancelled.
4) I would urge everyone to contact Watchdog as at least they try to get answers.
... and finally.
5) I can't really see how a festival so close to Brighton could fail. With proper management, good client relations and a great line up, surely it would work. Who's with me? ;)
Ok, here are some comments from a Beachdown ticket holder (anyone want to buy my drinks tokens off me?). 1) Not eveyone in Sussex is this bitchy! 2) I think it's unfair to call ticket buyers 'mugs', as I was doing so in good faith. 3) 6000 ticket holders @ £100 each + however many stall holders paying £1,000 = suppliers and staff (wtf?) not being paid? It just DOESN'T ADD UP. Where has it all gone? Surely this is totally illegal. I contacted Grandmaster Flash's office on 26th and they already knew it had been cancelled. 4) I would urge everyone to contact Watchdog as at least they try to get answers. ... and finally. 5) I can't really see how a festival so close to Brighton could fail. With proper management, good client relations and a great line up, surely it would work. Who's with me? ;) Bobbo
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10:58pm Mon 31 Aug 09

ray321 says...

I really enjoyed the Beachdown festival last year; the music was great, it was a good atmosphere, and it's where I met my lovely boyfriend. He had bought us both tickets to celebrate our anniversary, so we were gutted when it was cancelled. I hope he can get his money back as he bought them direct from Beachdown, who are not answering their telephone. It's lame that they are trying to claim that some tickets are 'non-returnable' or great for trading in for deals at other festivals, instead of a refund. Luckily, we got last minute tickets to the Shambala festival and partied our beach-frowns away.
I really enjoyed the Beachdown festival last year; the music was great, it was a good atmosphere, and it's where I met my lovely boyfriend. He had bought us both tickets to celebrate our anniversary, so we were gutted when it was cancelled. I hope he can get his money back as he bought them direct from Beachdown, who are not answering their telephone. It's lame that they are trying to claim that some tickets are 'non-returnable' or great for trading in for deals at other festivals, instead of a refund. Luckily, we got last minute tickets to the Shambala festival and partied our beach-frowns away. ray321
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2:45am Tue 1 Sep 09

jooj says...

Did anyone mention that Failed Festivals LQD invited tickets holders from the cancelled Bloom festival to attend beachdown for a mere extra £23 or so.... I bet they are happy people.

Security word: double-bluff
Did anyone mention that Failed Festivals LQD invited tickets holders from the cancelled Bloom festival to attend beachdown for a mere extra £23 or so.... I bet they are happy people. Security word: double-bluff jooj
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