Schoolgirl has Brighton cadet boss' baby after sex in park (From The Argus)

Two years in jail for doing something that would be legal in just about every other country in the world! How utterly ridiculous.

It is time the age of consent came down to 15, if not 14. It went from 12 to 16 in Victorian times to counter child prostitution. A 14 year old girl today is mentally and physically the equivalent of a Victorian 16 year old.

And before the usual gang start up this would not be a 'paedophiles' charter'. Paedophiles by the very definition of the word are only interested in sexually immature children.

There is no way the age of consent should be brought down. What on earth can a 30 year old man have in common with a 15 year old girl? (and vice versa a 30 year woman with a young lad)

I agree there should maybe be a tiered system, ie. a 18/19 year old person should not be prosecuted for having sex with a 15 year old. But, if your girl/boyfriend is 15 why not just wait.

I'm 36 and have a 16 year old daughter. I would be very alarmed if she started seeing a 30 year old. The huge majority of teenagers are very impressionable. The law may say people are adults at 18 and the age of consent is 16, but I don't think most people know what they're doing with their emotions or their bodies at that age. This looks very much like an older man abusing a position of trust to take advantage of a child - all the more so because no protection was used and that child now has a baby.

Poor b@stard.
2 years in jail and a place on the Sex Offenders Register for the next ten years for the sake of outdated moral & legal pedantry.
Christopher Leaney you have my sympathy but you really should have realised that no matter how you felt about her, any girl under 16 in this country is jailbait.

From the outside this seems like a act that deserves 2 years imprisonment. But we have to face facts here (and I'm not condoning the act it self) but have you seen what 15\16 year old girls look like ?! they drink and go out clubbing and act like there in their 20's and parents sit back oblivious until something like this happens! Having been a 16 year old girl i know how stupid they are and now being older and knowing 30 year old men i know they are just as stupid as they were when they were 16! Who is to say that this girl is an impressionable child and not one of the street smart older looking clubbers that we see on a daily basis. Having no previous convictions i think that the word pedophile should just be replaced with the word idiot.

I have read all the comments here but the old saying still prevails - It takes two to tango! A 15 year old girl is sexually mature these days and although legally under the age of consent, it seems obvious that the affair was consential. How anyone can bring up the subject of paediophiles in this case, I cannot understand.

Sweepster wrote:
There is no way the age of consent should be brought down. What on earth can a 30 year old man have in common with a 15 year old girl? (and vice versa a 30 year woman with a young lad)

I agree there should maybe be a tiered system, ie. a 18/19 year old person should not be prosecuted for having sex with a 15 year old. But, if your girl/boyfriend is 15 why not just wait.

What do they have in common?

Sex Drive.

The law is the law. Many may not agree with the current law on age of consent but the level of sentencing dished out for breaking the law the biggest problem, both here in the UK and "liberal" western Europe as a whole.

It is neither consistent nor appropriate. If this man gets 2 years in jail for this crime (no previous conviction) then manslaughter should carry a 15 year sentence. Murder should carry a life means life sentence. How come for instance a driver who kills someone under the influence of alcohol never gets a life driving ban. It's shear madness!

Granny wrote:
I have read all the comments here but the old saying still prevails - It takes two to tango! A 15 year old girl is sexually mature these days and although legally under the age of consent, it seems obvious that the affair was consential. How anyone can bring up the subject of paediophiles in this case, I cannot understand.

Remember the song granny? All the nice girls love a sailor? This case is at least better than it could've been, at least the birth certificate won't read = FATHERS NAME = SOME SAILORS.
People make mistakes, the world is populated by a lot of these mistakes, and as you say, it takes two to tango!

the Jeremy Klye show is full of girls who had babies at too young an age. They are still children themselves and are entitled to a childhood. The adult should have acted as an adult

I just wish i had a 15 year old girlfriend to meet in the park and i'm 54.

Dicky71 wrote:
I just wish i had a 15 year old girlfriend to meet in the park and i'm 54.

Never mind poor Mr Leaney, i think some one should check your computer a 15 year age gap is odd , a 29 year age gap IS peadophilic.......

tilburyre wrote:
Two years in jail for doing something that would be legal in just about every other country in the world! How utterly ridiculous.

It is time the age of consent came down to 15, if not 14. It went from 12 to 16 in Victorian times to counter child prostitution. A 14 year old girl today is mentally and physically the equivalent of a Victorian 16 year old.

And before the usual gang start up this would not be a 'paedophiles' charter'. Paedophiles by the very definition of the word are only interested in sexually immature children.

Your opinion is questionable in the last point and possibly questionable in all of it.

The laws on the protection of children are there to protect children. Simple.

'paedophile - an adult who is sexually attracted to children'

Now where does it say 'sexually immature?'

What about this man being in a position of trust? It's text book paedophilia..... get yourself in a position of trust surrounded by underage children and start your grooming.

Just because he didn't have a previous record doesn't mean he hasn't done it before. The statistics show an offender will commit many offences before being caught.

Finally, I would have thought this young girl being a cadet is highly unlikely to be a 15 year old that gets drunk on the street and goes clubbing.

I cannot believe the amount of support this pervert is getting. HE ABUSED HIS POSITION OF TRUST. Regardless of how a 15 year old may look, how emotionally can a 30 year old relate to a 15 year old.

Careful you don't offend Islam here. After all their profit had sex with a 9 year old.

I of course mean prophet.

This happens because the council and the police are aware of all the outdoor sex locations but they do nothing to close them down. In fact at Duke's Mound they make sure that the people involved in these activities are safe from attack. This is well publicised by the council and police. It is inevitable that younger people will eventually get drawn into these activities, as this case demonstrates.

I too cannot believe the excuses the paedophile supporters are making on this website. I hope the police are trawling the site as many paedos actually get off on the very reports about child sex.
You are making the same excuses child molesters make when they end up in court...she looked 16, she was mature, some of these young girls want sex etc.
This man is a pervert, a paedophile who preyed on a young girl and then had unprotected sex with her.
All of this is wrong and he knew it, hence the secrecy.
What is worse is that he would have undergone a CRB check to allow him to work with young people and although he had a clean record and nothing would have shown up, he knew the rules of working with young people. However, he could not help his compulsion to molest. This is why he got such a tough sentence.
Now all of you pervert supporters need to get real.
Anyone who knows young people of 15 and talks to them, know they are still children and any man who has sex with anyone of this age is seriously unhinged. Looks are irrelevant. When they open their mouths they are kids.
And remember many perverts start at the top end of illegal (15 year olds) so they can make excuses if they get caught, the sort of excuses you lot have been trotting out. They test the water before moving onto younger kids just as the pervert who murdered and molested his eight year old partner's daughter in a lorry on the Bank Holiday, who has now been unveiled as a man who previously preyed on 15 year old girls. It was kind of in that 'safe- Oh I made a mistake' area. It's not, it's perverted and wrong.
I am seriously wondering if some of you have some paedophile tendencies or have never spoken to 15 year olds.

I am always very suspicious of people like tilbyrne who want the age of consent lowered. I think there should be resitrictions on sex between young teenagers and people considerably older to stop exploitation.

if hed put a bag on she wudnt have got pregnant,hes obviously an idiot

TheInsider wrote:
I too cannot believe the excuses the paedophile supporters are making on this website. I hope the police are trawling the site as many paedos actually get off on the very reports about child sex.
You are making the same excuses child molesters make when they end up in court...she looked 16, she was mature, some of these young girls want sex etc.
This man is a pervert, a paedophile who preyed on a young girl and then had unprotected sex with her.
All of this is wrong and he knew it, hence the secrecy.
What is worse is that he would have undergone a CRB check to allow him to work with young people and although he had a clean record and nothing would have shown up, he knew the rules of working with young people. However, he could not help his compulsion to molest. This is why he got such a tough sentence.
Now all of you pervert supporters need to get real.
Anyone who knows young people of 15 and talks to them, know they are still children and any man who has sex with anyone of this age is seriously unhinged. Looks are irrelevant. When they open their mouths they are kids.
And remember many perverts start at the top end of illegal (15 year olds) so they can make excuses if they get caught, the sort of excuses you lot have been trotting out. They test the water before moving onto younger kids just as the pervert who murdered and molested his eight year old partner's daughter in a lorry on the Bank Holiday, who has now been unveiled as a man who previously preyed on 15 year old girls. It was kind of in that 'safe- Oh I made a mistake' area. It's not, it's perverted and wrong.
I am seriously wondering if some of you have some paedophile tendencies or have never spoken to 15 year olds.

Yes and in most cases this is true, but sometimes people are just idiots , underage relationships are a lot more common than you think you just dont hear about them! The reason i am sticking up for this so called pedophile is that i have known him for 26 years and he is no more a pedophile than you are !

i didnt say he was a pedo,just an idiot for not taking precautions,hes old enuf to know that

garyc wrote:
i didnt say he was a pedo,just an idiot for not taking precautions,hes old enuf to know that

and with that i totally agree! he was an idiot for not waiting 3 month too , if he had just waited non of this would have happened!

I speak as a victim of severe sexual abuse - there should be no age of consent.
All coerced or forced sex should be illegal & all young people should have the right to refuse sex instilled in them from a young age.
We need to give our young people the confidence to say no to anything they're not comfortable with. We need everyone to be able to say "I don't want to do that & if you try & make me I call the police".
And I'm talking about young men here too, not just young women, of any sexuality.
At the moment, our youngsters are so caught up with body image & insecurity ("no-one will go out with me because of my thighs/flat chest/ acne/skinniness") that they put up with bad relationships because it's better to go out with anyone rather than no-one.

no where in the report did it say she was a cadet!!!!

Forces_sweetheart wrote:

garyc wrote: i didnt say he was a pedo,just an idiot for not taking precautions,hes old enuf to know that

and with that i totally agree! he was an idiot for not waiting 3 month too , if he had just waited non of this would have happened!

This is a difficult one. The thing I find hard to get around is that if (as you say) another 3 months and he wouldn't have had a problem.... well, a 2 year sentence seems totally over the top.
Bear in mind, that recently, a man who physically attacked someone and stole their laptop - even though he had 24 previous convictions - didn't get a prison sentence.
I know people who have had similar relationships which have worked for decades after the event. It's no good just saying that it's illegal. It's the INTENT that's so important.
I know people that were deeply in love with each other that had 'illegal' relationships that turned into legal and fully loving relationships that lasted a long time.
His crime was one of stupidity for not waiting - or more importantly - getting the girl pregnant.
I married a woman who was 15 years younger than me - exactly the same age difference as him. The difference was that she was 21 when I met her.
I would just say - don't be so judgemental. Love is a weird thing. And yes - you can fall in love with someone 15 years younger than you and have a 20 year marriage. I can tell you it's true because it happened to me.
Insider... I'm surprised at you calling him a paedophile. I expected better from you. Maybe a little less 'knee jerk' reaction?
Some 15 year old females are children - and some aren't. I think the age of consent is about right. It's lower in Holland - and they have less teenage pregnancies. But more importantly, if he had done the same thing in Holland, he wouldn't have even been in court as the age of legal consent is lower. Less than 100 miles away, and an EU country.
That's what I would focus on....

"Some 15 year old females are children - and some aren't."

I agree & that's why there should be no age of consent.

Why shouldn't a 14 year old be able to obey their body's feelings & have sex if they want to? As long as they are clued up about contraception & safe sex, there is no problem.

I wouldn't want to be him when he lands on the wing at HMP Lewes. He will have to do some explaining then!

what gets me more is chris got 2 yrs and a guy who posted child **** through peoples letter box got let off?!!

joanne77 wrote:
what gets me more is chris got 2 yrs and a guy who posted child **** through peoples letter box got let off?!!

Exactly. We read almost daily in this paper about all sorts of horrible, anti social, violent crime, which often goes unpunished, or gets a community order, and his guy gets 2 years for doing something which in the Netherlands wouldn't even be considered a crime.
It's mental.

The ghost of Osama bin there wrote:

joanne77 wrote:
what gets me more is chris got 2 yrs and a guy who posted child **** through peoples letter box got let off?!!

Exactly. We read almost daily in this paper about all sorts of horrible, anti social, violent crime, which often goes unpunished, or gets a community order, and his guy gets 2 years for doing something which in the Netherlands wouldn't even be considered a crime.
It's mental.

Yep , the system in this country is totally f****d up !

A paedophile is an adult who has sex with a child under 16.
This man admitted four charges of sexual activity with a child. He is a self confessed paedophile.
As an earlier poster said, this is a text book case of grooming and the sooner society wises up to grooming instead of thinking that child abuse involves men lurking on street corners, we will be able to protect your children better.
In this case, the man took the trouble to go through the police check to work with kids.
Then, when the girl's father heard rumours about a possible relationship, the offender reassured the father by explaining that it would be wholly inappropriate to have a relationship with a child. Again a grooming tactic, making adults trust in the relationship.
However, he then took her to a park and had unprotected sex, without a care for her future or health. Now even I have learned (from Jade Goody)that unprotected sex with young girls raises risks of cervical cancer.
This wasn't two teenagers getting caught out. He is an adult man, the "boss" training young people in responsible actions and safety in the cadet force, playing with a child's emotions to obtain sex, risky sex at that.
Then to make his actions seem that of love, he gives the child a ring to assuage his own conscience.
Love would have given the ring first and waited a few months or better still gone up West Street to date a 16-year-old, but that isn't what this pervert wanted.
This is grooming not dating.

Oh for goodness sake the Netherlands is notorious for its so-called 'liberal' attitudes to drugs and sex which act as magnets for seedy, undesirable types from across Europe (especially the UK). We have enough druggies and annoying stag parties in Brighton already. Men like this who are attracted to undeveloped, immature girls know that no woman their own age - with maturity, experience and judgement - would give them the time of day. They might as well 'buy' a bride off the internet and have done with it. Trying to cop off with an underage girl is a sign of sexual incompetence and an inability to hold a decent conversation or connect someone from their peer group. A 15 yo will put up with you because they don't know any better. No adult woman would.

Forces_sweetheart wrote:

Dicky71 wrote: I just wish i had a 15 year old girlfriend to meet in the park and i'm 54.

Never mind poor Mr Leaney, i think some one should check your computer a 15 year age gap is odd , a 29 year age gap IS peadophilic.......

I think you'll find that it's a 39 year gap, not 29!

BOTH PARTIES ARE GUILTY

15 YEARS OLD GIRLS THESE DAYS COULD TEMPT A MAN FROM HIS GRAVE!!

David Panter wrote:
Oh for goodness sake the Netherlands is notorious for its so-called 'liberal' attitudes to drugs and sex which act as magnets for seedy, undesirable types from across Europe (especially the UK). We have enough druggies and annoying stag parties in Brighton already. Men like this who are attracted to undeveloped, immature girls know that no woman their own age - with maturity, experience and judgement - would give them the time of day. They might as well 'buy' a bride off the internet and have done with it. Trying to cop off with an underage girl is a sign of sexual incompetence and an inability to hold a decent conversation or connect someone from their peer group. A 15 yo will put up with you because they don't know any better. No adult woman would.

The Netherlands may have a liberal attititude to sex, but then explain if you can, why our teenage pregancy rate is the highest in Europe and theirs is just about the lowest. Ours is 30 births per 1000 teenagers, whereas the Netherlands is less than 7 per 1000. So the UK is 4 times higher.
Don't you think, with their so called 'liberal attitudes', they might, just might, be getting something right?
Because we certainly aren't.

Dicky71 wrote:

Forces_sweetheart wrote:

Dicky71 wrote: I just wish i had a 15 year old girlfriend to meet in the park and i'm 54.

Never mind poor Mr Leaney, i think some one should check your computer a 15 year age gap is odd , a 29 year age gap IS peadophilic.......

I think you'll find that it's a 39 year gap, not 29!

And yet you admit that....... genius !

Also 'Now even I have learned (from Jade Goody)that unprotected sex with young girls raises risks of cervical cancer. ' Jade Goody got cancer because she missed several appointments after her smear came back with an unsure result ! (just if we are picking here) . But people really need to get a grip, get off your a**e and see what is happening in the REAL world your kids/grandkids, ARE taking drugs they ARE having sex with people older than them and they ARE going out drinking. At the age of 30 i think Mr Leaney would have shown some pedophlic tendency's before. He didnt take the girl out molest her and strangle her in a van oh wait and she wasnt 8 that is pedophilia !

The ghost of Osama bin there wrote:

Forces_sweetheart wrote:

garyc wrote: i didnt say he was a pedo,just an idiot for not taking precautions,hes old enuf to know that

and with that i totally agree! he was an idiot for not waiting 3 month too , if he had just waited non of this would have happened!

This is a difficult one. The thing I find hard to get around is that if (as you say) another 3 months and he wouldn't have had a problem.... well, a 2 year sentence seems totally over the top. Bear in mind, that recently, a man who physically attacked someone and stole their laptop - even though he had 24 previous convictions - didn't get a prison sentence. I know people who have had similar relationships which have worked for decades after the event. It's no good just saying that it's illegal. It's the INTENT that's so important. I know people that were deeply in love with each other that had 'illegal' relationships that turned into legal and fully loving relationships that lasted a long time. His crime was one of stupidity for not waiting - or more importantly - getting the girl pregnant. I married a woman who was 15 years younger than me - exactly the same age difference as him. The difference was that she was 21 when I met her. I would just say - don't be so judgemental. Love is a weird thing. And yes - you can fall in love with someone 15 years younger than you and have a 20 year marriage. I can tell you it's true because it happened to me. Insider... I'm surprised at you calling him a paedophile. I expected better from you. Maybe a little less 'knee jerk' reaction? Some 15 year old females are children - and some aren't. I think the age of consent is about right. It's lower in Holland - and they have less teenage pregnancies. But more importantly, if he had done the same thing in Holland, he wouldn't have even been in court as the age of legal consent is lower. Less than 100 miles away, and an EU country. That's what I would focus on....

he would have been in court-the dutch age of consent is bracketed to avoid adults getting involved with immature youngsters.the average person who found someone of her age attractive would not act upon that. this person was prepared to break the law to get to what they wanted.
Now a correction.
The term 'Paedophile' is greek. It means 'lover of children' but NOT in a sexual context. If it did then anyone with the name of Philip would be unfortunate as the translation would roughly be 'lover of horses' (as in sexually!)
Before the estates of britain start ringing out with any new terms for other dispositions perhaps people might just question some tabloid terminology because some ancient greek scribes are getting **** off!

I am totally and utterly outraged by some of the comments on this post! Have any of you actually been sexually abused yourself by a paedo??!! Well I have!!! So actually having experienced this myself, I can tell you that Chris is not 'one' of those people! He is simply an idiot, which I think most people have said and I agree. He should of just waited 3 months for her to be 16. But he was in fact, in a relationship with her and it was NOT grooming by any means. Sometimes you just can't help who you fall in love with! If she was 20 and he was 35, no one would even have cared! And you do think you are mature etc at 15, having once been a 15yr old girl myself! And I bet she went round all of her mates, bragging that she was going out with an older man. Like 15yr olds do! And I bet if she had not of gotten pregnant, then all of this would not have even happened! And I'd also like to say, that this girl also had the choice of abortion, which she herself chose not to! Not that I agree with abortion, but many young girls have them and I know alot of ppl who have had them. But also the fact that this girl has also gone around 'bragging' that she has a baby with Chris, is totally disgusting, considering the type of slander he is now getting from ppl off of here! So I think those ppl who want to slag him off, had better take a bloody close look at the whole picture here! Which you can not do, from a small newspaper article!!!!!

IKDRF wrote:

The ghost of Osama bin there wrote:

Forces_sweetheart wrote:

garyc wrote: i didnt say he was a pedo,just an idiot for not taking precautions,hes old enuf to know that

and with that i totally agree! he was an idiot for not waiting 3 month too , if he had just waited non of this would have happened!

This is a difficult one. The thing I find hard to get around is that if (as you say) another 3 months and he wouldn't have had a problem.... well, a 2 year sentence seems totally over the top. Bear in mind, that recently, a man who physically attacked someone and stole their laptop - even though he had 24 previous convictions - didn't get a prison sentence. I know people who have had similar relationships which have worked for decades after the event. It's no good just saying that it's illegal. It's the INTENT that's so important. I know people that were deeply in love with each other that had 'illegal' relationships that turned into legal and fully loving relationships that lasted a long time. His crime was one of stupidity for not waiting - or more importantly - getting the girl pregnant. I married a woman who was 15 years younger than me - exactly the same age difference as him. The difference was that she was 21 when I met her. I would just say - don't be so judgemental. Love is a weird thing. And yes - you can fall in love with someone 15 years younger than you and have a 20 year marriage. I can tell you it's true because it happened to me. Insider... I'm surprised at you calling him a paedophile. I expected better from you. Maybe a little less 'knee jerk' reaction? Some 15 year old females are children - and some aren't. I think the age of consent is about right. It's lower in Holland - and they have less teenage pregnancies. But more importantly, if he had done the same thing in Holland, he wouldn't have even been in court as the age of legal consent is lower. Less than 100 miles away, and an EU country. That's what I would focus on....

he would have been in court-the dutch age of consent is bracketed to avoid adults getting involved with immature youngsters.the average person who found someone of her age attractive would not act upon that. this person was prepared to break the law to get to what they wanted. Now a correction. The term 'Paedophile' is greek. It means 'lover of children' but NOT in a sexual context. If it did then anyone with the name of Philip would be unfortunate as the translation would roughly be 'lover of horses' (as in sexually!) Before the estates of britain start ringing out with any new terms for other dispositions perhaps people might just question some tabloid terminology because some ancient greek scribes are getting **** off!

well said!

Cadet Boss baby.

It's a song by Half man Half Biscuit isn't it?

chris was in the wrong yes he should not have done what he did it was foolish and very stupid of him but some people who are saying he is all in the wrong need to look out side the box!!!! this girl said yes when she could have said no this girl could have walked away but she stayed. 15yr old girls DO NOT act like they are 15 wat so ever and i know that chris wouldnt have forced her to do anything she didnt want to do and her dad getting angry at chris.... well he needs to remember his daughter said yes to chris!!!!

Whether she said yes or no is NOT THE POINT. If she walked up to him and said 'fancy a shag' he should still have said 'no, find someone your own age - oh and by the way my job involves protecting young girls from stuff like this.' Whether she looks mature, dresses mature, acts mature is NOT THE POINT. As soon as a child opens their mouth you can tell they are a child. You can see it in their face and their eyes. No 30 year old could possibly consider having sex with someone that young - unless they are mentally abnormal or harbour some fixation on youth or innocence - and that is twisted. A 30 year old man who can sexually relate to a teenager is not normal. If it was love, if it was genuine, then why not go to the family and get their blessing? I would be absolutely disgusted if any of my friends did this.

repeat wrote:
Whether she said yes or no is NOT THE POINT. If she walked up to him and said 'fancy a shag' he should still have said 'no, find someone your own age - oh and by the way my job involves protecting young girls from stuff like this.' Whether she looks mature, dresses mature, acts mature is NOT THE POINT. As soon as a child opens their mouth you can tell they are a child. You can see it in their face and their eyes. No 30 year old could possibly consider having sex with someone that young - unless they are mentally abnormal or harbour some fixation on youth or innocence - and that is twisted. A 30 year old man who can sexually relate to a teenager is not normal. If it was love, if it was genuine, then why not go to the family and get their blessing? I would be absolutely disgusted if any of my friends did this.

Explain then how if he had waited another 3 months it would have been legal and nothing could have been done by the authorities.
Does anyone really think that in three months she would suddenly have changed into a fully mature woman?
So, to me, THAT is the point, not whether I approve of what he did - which I don't. But what actually happened is he got 2 years for being in a situation that wouldn't have fundamentally changed had he waited and made it legal.
And THAT is nonsense.

A 30 year old man who can relate sexually to a teenager is not normal? I bet he is! If someone is sexually mature and not a child (as most 15-16 year olds are) I don't see why that gets you called a paedo, for goodness sake!

It's not like he molested an unwilling participant who didn't know what was happening, is it?

He was stupid not to take more precautions, and should have kept it legal to avoid hassle - but the worst you can call him is that - stupid. Or perhaps 'out of a job'. But that's it.