Youngster targeted by Sussex Police taser (From The Argus)

How can this be a case of using a Taser against somebody under 18 if it wasn't fired?

Pointing a Taser at someone is using it, believe me! It's a clear threat intended to deter.

*Firing* a Taser is the next step in using it.

Security word blue-away - how apt!

As they didn't release the charge I would imagine they were behaving responsibly. However was the child do something that if he was older warranted releasing the charge?

Without the circumstances this is a pointless article

Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident.
Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground?
I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime.
No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

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2bobstan wrote:
the old bill r guttles scum//////////////// //////////////////// //////

as brave as you using a silly name?
As usual thieves and crooks slag off the cops as they stop them having fun, you'll aslo see the trendy lefties subvert the cops UNTIL they need their help and strangely (or is it hypocriticlly?) they have a change of heart

West Yorkshire Police tasered a bloke who was in a diabetic coma because he wasn't obeying their commands!
At least Sussex didn't discharge it. Mind you, they did shoot dead a naked bloke who was in bed. Of course, I'm a wishy-washy, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal so my views don't really coun

TheInsider wrote:
Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all?

Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

Tye wrote:

2bobstan wrote: the old bill r guttles scum//////////////// //////////////////// //////

as brave as you using a silly name? As usual thieves and crooks slag off the cops as they stop them having fun, you'll aslo see the trendy lefties subvert the cops UNTIL they need their help and strangely (or is it hypocriticlly?) they have a change of heart

Alas it's not just "thieves and crooks" who slag off the police. It seems every day in the national newspapers there is another report of ordinary and law abiding people who have choice words to say about the police.

puddingandpi wrote:
West Yorkshire Police tasered a bloke who was in a diabetic coma because he wasn't obeying their commands! At least Sussex didn't discharge it. Mind you, they did shoot dead a naked bloke who was in bed. Of course, I'm a wishy-washy, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal so my views don't really coun

Did anything happen in the case of the entirely unarmed man shot dead in his own bed? I recall that the Chief Constable, Paul Whitehouse, at the time was suspended for basically lieing about the events and trying to blame the victim.

Better than being 'targeted' by a Glock automatic, such as I saw two coppers armed with while they were shopping in Eastbourne Tesco!

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote:
Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all?

Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

maybe it was london had just been bombed and Jean Charles de Menezes was here illegally and might have been behaving oddly when he saw the police

bibble wrote:

puddingandpi wrote:
West Yorkshire Police tasered a bloke who was in a diabetic coma because he wasn't obeying their commands! At least Sussex didn't discharge it. Mind you, they did shoot dead a naked bloke who was in bed. Of course, I'm a wishy-washy, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal so my views don't really coun

Did anything happen in the case of the entirely unarmed man shot dead in his own bed? I recall that the Chief Constable, Paul Whitehouse, at the time was suspended for basically lieing about the events and trying to blame the victim.

Bibble, the man in Hastings you are talking about was a violent drug dealing piece of scum that had used firearms in the past!, that he didn't have one at the exact time he was shot is tough luck!.

stan bailey wrote:

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote: Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all? Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

maybe it was london had just been bombed and Jean Charles de Menezes was here illegally and might have been behaving oddly when he saw the police

Jean Charles de Menezes was not here illegally. That was a little bit of police disinformation. Nor did he act oddly. Another bit of police disinformation.

Philo Beddoe wrote:

bibble wrote:

puddingandpi wrote: West Yorkshire Police tasered a bloke who was in a diabetic coma because he wasn't obeying their commands! At least Sussex didn't discharge it. Mind you, they did shoot dead a naked bloke who was in bed. Of course, I'm a wishy-washy, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal so my views don't really coun

Did anything happen in the case of the entirely unarmed man shot dead in his own bed? I recall that the Chief Constable, Paul Whitehouse, at the time was suspended for basically lieing about the events and trying to blame the victim.

Bibble, the man in Hastings you are talking about was a violent drug dealing piece of scum that had used firearms in the past!, that he didn't have one at the exact time he was shot is tough luck!.

Tough luck to be unarmed and gunned down by the police? I see...

stan bailey wrote:

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote:
Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all?

Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

maybe it was london had just been bombed and Jean Charles de Menezes was here illegally and might have been behaving oddly when he saw the police

Are you saying that the police are lying about his visa had expired. how would you know that this is not true?

stan bailey wrote:

stan bailey wrote:

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote: Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all? Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

maybe it was london had just been bombed and Jean Charles de Menezes was here illegally and might have been behaving oddly when he saw the police

Are you saying that the police are lying about his visa had expired. how would you know that this is not true?

I am saying categorically that the police lied. They tried to smear Mr de Menezes, saying he jumped over a ticket barrier (another lie), he was wearing a heavy coat (another lie), he was a rapist (another lie), then that he was here illegally (another lie).

Instead of simply believing and accepting police lies, open your eyes. The immigration rules are absolutely clear - a person entering the UK from Ireland has a right to remain here for three months, IRRESPECTIVE of ANY previous or existing immigration issue. This has been confirmed.

Alas it is becoming increasingly common that when somebody is killed by the police, in whatever circumstances, they lie about it. Ian Tomlinson? The police stated that they had no contact with him expect to administer first aid. Then the truth came out, didn't it?

So I say it once more: the police lie.

bibble wrote:

stan bailey wrote:

stan bailey wrote:

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote: Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all? Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

maybe it was london had just been bombed and Jean Charles de Menezes was here illegally and might have been behaving oddly when he saw the police

Are you saying that the police are lying about his visa had expired. how would you know that this is not true?

I am saying categorically that the police lied. They tried to smear Mr de Menezes, saying he jumped over a ticket barrier (another lie), he was wearing a heavy coat (another lie), he was a rapist (another lie), then that he was here illegally (another lie).

Instead of simply believing and accepting police lies, open your eyes. The immigration rules are absolutely clear - a person entering the UK from Ireland has a right to remain here for three months, IRRESPECTIVE of ANY previous or existing immigration issue. This has been confirmed.

Alas it is becoming increasingly common that when somebody is killed by the police, in whatever circumstances, they lie about it. Ian Tomlinson? The police stated that they had no contact with him expect to administer first aid. Then the truth came out, didn't it?

So I say it once more: the police lie.

But he wasn't irish

So do you!
and its the same one a dozen times a day every day

There is no doubt we do not know all the facts, but one thing is clear and should not be mistaken, we have armed the police with a gun. Drawing this weapon as with all weapons can be self-defence or attack. The mental state, experience and threat can only determine. Personally I have no problem in backing the police decision on use in a situation, but I am not convinced they should have this kind of weapon at all.

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Tasers laser sight is a great intimidating tool behave NOW! or else.
taser will incapacitate with no lasting effect.
batons will cause phyiscal injuries
CS gas hangs about gets on the targets clothing etc etc.
little scroate must have got himself into a serious bit of trouble

bibble wrote:

TheInsider wrote: Unfotunately the word child is as meaningless as the article without the details of the incident. Was the child holding his father's sawn off shotgun at the officers? Was the child almost 16 and 6ft 6ins, weighing 25 stone and wrestling a female officer to the ground? I fully support officers who deal with unruly minors and this is an example of the sea change in attitude in dealing with minors involved in crime. No more ASBOs or acceptable behaviour certificates. Nonsense.

How do you know that the child wasn't 3 years old and 3 feet tall? How do you know that the child was being unruly at all? Don't say "because the police pointed their tazer they must have had reason to". The police didn't have a reason to kill Jean Charles de Menezes, but they did.

They did have a reason, but unfortunately they thought he was someone else.
Just pointing this out, as you seem to be suggesting that they just randomly shot the first person they saw on a tube train that had slightly darker skin tones.

I hope the arm the Police lot have read this story.They'd be pointing their guns at our temples without pulling the trigger."Make my day",terrifying!

As always with the argus this story lacks the basic facts... is this done to provoke a reaction? are the argus anti police? or is it that they lack the journalism skills to get onto a decent paper?
"a youngster"??? could be a nine year old girl or a 17 year and 11 month old building site labourer.

TASER is used to cause electro-muscular disruption. exactly the same as an electric shock you would get if you stuck your finger in a plug socket... the only difference is the current (not the voltage) is much much lower on a TASER than a domestic circuit. The voltage could be as high as you like... if the current is very small the there is no danger. there are no reported cases at all anywhere in the world where a TASER has been the direct cause of someones death... yes there are a few reported cases of someone who has been tasered dying but the death is down to falling or someting like that, not the actual TASER. In the UK the use of TASER would fall below the use of a baton. I have seen baton strikes cause very nasty bruising and even broken bones. But TASER only causes two very small pin **** holes.. I am a firearms officer in the south west of the country and was an electrician before joining the police... so I can talk with some authorty.

and for the record... a TASER is not a gun. the definition of a firearm is any lethal barrelled weapon capable of disharging a shot. TASER is neither a barrelled weapon or lethal.
TASER is a trade name for what the police call a Conductive Energy Device and was named after the inventors favourite comic... Thomas A Swift and his Electric Rifle. I kid you not, check it out on Wikipedia!!!

bibble wrote:

Philo Beddoe wrote:

bibble wrote:

puddingandpi wrote: West Yorkshire Police tasered a bloke who was in a diabetic coma because he wasn't obeying their commands! At least Sussex didn't discharge it. Mind you, they did shoot dead a naked bloke who was in bed. Of course, I'm a wishy-washy, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal so my views don't really coun

Did anything happen in the case of the entirely unarmed man shot dead in his own bed? I recall that the Chief Constable, Paul Whitehouse, at the time was suspended for basically lieing about the events and trying to blame the victim.

Bibble, the man in Hastings you are talking about was a violent drug dealing piece of scum that had used firearms in the past!, that he didn't have one at the exact time he was shot is tough luck!.

Tough luck to be unarmed and gunned down by the police? I see...

Live by the sword (or gun in this case) die by the sword, how were the police supposed to know that at that exact moment in time he wasn't armed? as I have said before he was known to use firearms and have regular access to them, also when the police entered the room, they identified themselves as armed police and told him to lay down, the fact he chose to ignore the warning is contributory to his very fitting death.