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70 stone man may be airlifted to Chichester hospital
6:05pm Monday 19th October 2009
Health bosses are trying to find the safest way of moving one of the UK's heaviest people more than 150 miles.
Former engineer Paul Mason, 48, needs to travel from his home in Ipswich, Suffolk, to St Richard's Hospital in Chichester for "life-saving" specialist treatment. He is thought to weigh around 70 stone.
According to the Ipswich Star, he has tried and failed many times to lose weight, and is now virtually immobile.
Surgery is the only remaining option to lose weight and save his life.
A spokeswoman for Suffolk Primary Care Trust said the man was classed as "super-obese" and a number of travel options were being considered - including an airlift.
She said he would probably be taken by road in a specialist ambulance in the next few weeks - although a final decision had not yet been taken.
The cost of the journey and the subsequent operation, which is said to be estimated at "tens of thousands of pounds", will be met by NHS Suffolk, which is required by law to seek treatment for Mr Mason.
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Philo Beddoe, Worthing says...
6:42pm Mon 19 Oct 09
uslot, shoreham says...
7:05pm Mon 19 Oct 09
cheezburger, brighton says...
7:07pm Mon 19 Oct 09
Forbes Coleman, says...
7:24pm Mon 19 Oct 09
BN1, Brighton says...
7:33pm Mon 19 Oct 09
My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone"
I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it?
Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?
elfinbrighton, Brighton says...
7:38pm Mon 19 Oct 09
I am SUPER-OBESE man! Demolishing the doughnuts of degeneration, consuming the crisps of crime!
...etc...
puddingandpi, Brighton says...
10:02pm Mon 19 Oct 09
They should be charged with attempted murder!
I know I'm a podge, & I've got reasons for being so (starved in childhood & other stuff) but the truth is, I'm greedy.
Forbes Coleman, says...
10:20pm Mon 19 Oct 09
BN1 wrote:Are you for real, BN1?
Wow. Argus Armchair Brigade in full swing.
My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone"
I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it?
Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?
Genuine need = Cancer
Self-inflicted = Fat
alyn, southwick, southwick says...
8:15am Tue 20 Oct 09
Forbes Coleman wrote:As you obviously know this guy so well lets hope no one reports you to the GMC, GSCC, RNC, etc, or you'll be struck off and out of work, and perhaps unable to claim benefits as you made yourself voluntary unemployed by getting yourself sacked (= Self-inflicted). You might even be prosecuted under the Data Protection Act, and breaching patient confidentiality
BN1 wrote: Wow. Argus Armchair Brigade in full swing. My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone" I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it? Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?Are you for real, BN1? Genuine need = Cancer Self-inflicted = Fat
elfinbrighton, Brighton says...
9:46am Tue 20 Oct 09
alyn, southwick wrote:Um, sorry to burst your bubble alyn, but all the above would depend on Forbes being a doctor. You do know that doesn't happen to members of the public, don't you? Or were you being purposely dense?
Forbes Coleman wrote:As you obviously know this guy so well lets hope no one reports you to the GMC, GSCC, RNC, etc, or you'll be struck off and out of work, and perhaps unable to claim benefits as you made yourself voluntary unemployed by getting yourself sacked (= Self-inflicted). You might even be prosecuted under the Data Protection Act, and breaching patient confidentiality
BN1 wrote: Wow. Argus Armchair Brigade in full swing. My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone" I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it? Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?Are you for real, BN1? Genuine need = Cancer Self-inflicted = Fat
Gary Manilow, Brighton says...
11:21am Tue 20 Oct 09
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
11:52am Tue 20 Oct 09
Then out onto the streets, in a brave and noble attempt to save the world from fatties! I crushed a good three myself with the spikey ball! See the chubs crushed beneath the might of Spooner! My horse shot another 4 of the local obese with his laser ray gun! Victory! No longer shall the plump walk the streets without fear! Beware! Beware! Spooner rides again!
Wow! My security word was "butter-feast"! Makes me hungry just to think about it. Crush! Crush!
Gary Manilow, Brighton says...
12:00pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Which I can only presume is being a scriptwriter for 2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps.
another 1, brighton says...
12:01pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Not sure what methods he's been using to try & lose weight but here's a pretty basic one - stop eating! Swap the lard for some lettuce!
It's all quite appealing though isn't it? Scoff everything in sight so you're too obese to work - therefore live on benefits - then request the nhs operate on you to get you out of the sorry mess you got yourself in!
I might just get started on the cream cakes now!
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
12:06pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
12:07pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
12:10pm Tue 20 Oct 09
alyn, southwick, southwick says...
12:14pm Tue 20 Oct 09
elfinbrighton wrote:Um, sorry to burst your ignorance elfinbrighton the GSCC deals with social workers, the RCN deals with nurses, and the etc is for the official bodies that other professionals have to register with and who may be involved in this case. All of whom could be punished as I stated and are the only ones who would really know the full circumstances and could pass judgement passed on full facts, but who could not disclose as the point I made.
alyn, southwick wrote:Um, sorry to burst your bubble alyn, but all the above would depend on Forbes being a doctor. You do know that doesn't happen to members of the public, don't you? Or were you being purposely dense?Forbes Coleman wrote:As you obviously know this guy so well lets hope no one reports you to the GMC, GSCC, RNC, etc, or you'll be struck off and out of work, and perhaps unable to claim benefits as you made yourself voluntary unemployed by getting yourself sacked (= Self-inflicted). You might even be prosecuted under the Data Protection Act, and breaching patient confidentialityBN1 wrote: Wow. Argus Armchair Brigade in full swing. My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone" I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it? Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?Are you for real, BN1? Genuine need = Cancer Self-inflicted = Fat
ShorehamBeachcomber, shoreham says...
12:20pm Tue 20 Oct 09
ok i've consulted my tea leaves and i've come up with Paul Mason..am I close?
security word beachcomber mindreader
elfinbrighton, Brighton says...
12:52pm Tue 20 Oct 09
alyn, southwick wrote:...all of which are professions that the poster has nothing to do with...
elfinbrighton wrote:Um, sorry to burst your ignorance elfinbrighton the GSCC deals with social workers, the RCN deals with nurses, and the etc is for the official bodies that other professionals have to register with and who may be involved in this case. All of whom could be punished as I stated and are the only ones who would really know the full circumstances and could pass judgement passed on full facts, but who could not disclose as the point I made.
alyn, southwick wrote:Um, sorry to burst your bubble alyn, but all the above would depend on Forbes being a doctor. You do know that doesn't happen to members of the public, don't you? Or were you being purposely dense?Forbes Coleman wrote:As you obviously know this guy so well lets hope no one reports you to the GMC, GSCC, RNC, etc, or you'll be struck off and out of work, and perhaps unable to claim benefits as you made yourself voluntary unemployed by getting yourself sacked (= Self-inflicted). You might even be prosecuted under the Data Protection Act, and breaching patient confidentialityBN1 wrote: Wow. Argus Armchair Brigade in full swing. My turn. "Maybe he should go for a jog then he wouldn't be 70 stone" I hope none of you lot find yourselves in genuine need... and then unfairly criticised in the local rag. That would really suck, wouldn't it? Where is the "rolleyes" smiley?Are you for real, BN1? Genuine need = Cancer Self-inflicted = Fat
puddingandpi, Brighton says...
2:28pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Andre Spooner wrote:I'm too fat to ride my pony. He is mouldering away in a field with his 2 Shetland friends while I pretend to try to lose weight. But food is so nice!
Me and my horse were so inspired by some of the comments on this story that we began to take matters into our own hands. First, me and the horse got thoroughly "tooled up" - I had one of the spikey balls on the end of a chain, which I was swinging around my head, whilst my horse had a laser-ray-weapon.
Then out onto the streets, in a brave and noble attempt to save the world from fatties! I crushed a good three myself with the spikey ball! See the chubs crushed beneath the might of Spooner! My horse shot another 4 of the local obese with his laser ray gun! Victory! No longer shall the plump walk the streets without fear! Beware! Beware! Spooner rides again!
Wow! My security word was "butter-feast"! Makes me hungry just to think about it. Crush! Crush!
I'm going to start taking him for walks until I lose enough weight to get back on SuperSteed.
My brother & his girlfriend managed to get up to 20 stones each & were given a ground floor flat so they didn't have to walk up the one flight of stairs to their previous flat.
I watched them spend £50 on crap & not a bit of food included - it was all crisps & biscuits, ice-cream, Coke, that sort of thing.
I think that if someone is so fat & on benefits, cut the cash & have them sent a vegetable box every week. It can include meat, doesn't have to be organic & can have recipes & instructions. I think that's a good idea to tackle the problem without getting all Nazi about it.
She-Ra, Princess Of Power, Brighton says...
3:52pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Andre Spooner wrote:Perhaps, Spooner, you and I should team up and rid the world of fatties for good! Between your brave horse and my winged unicorn we could rule the WORLD!
Me and my horse were so inspired by some of the comments on this story that we began to take matters into our own hands. First, me and the horse got thoroughly "tooled up" - I had one of the spikey balls on the end of a chain, which I was swinging around my head, whilst my horse had a laser-ray-weapon. Then out onto the streets, in a brave and noble attempt to save the world from fatties! I crushed a good three myself with the spikey ball! See the chubs crushed beneath the might of Spooner! My horse shot another 4 of the local obese with his laser ray gun! Victory! No longer shall the plump walk the streets without fear! Beware! Beware! Spooner rides again! Wow! My security word was "butter-feast"! Makes me hungry just to think about it. Crush! Crush!
I've always wondered how a person could let themself get so heavy... he must be a pretty unhappy man.
Alison Smith, Brighton says...
4:03pm Tue 20 Oct 09
oh dear, hove says...
5:14pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Alison Smith wrote:I am.
What a horrible lot people you all are. I assume you are all perfect.
logicub, Brighton says...
5:28pm Tue 20 Oct 09
Alison Smith wrote:Not perfect, no. But I would never expect "tens of thousands of pounds" of public money to be spent on fixing something that I screwed up with my own body.
What a horrible lot people you all are. I assume you are all perfect.
Lawson-land, East Brighton says...
7:21pm Tue 20 Oct 09
realdeal2, Hove says...
8:05pm Tue 20 Oct 09
oh dear wrote:So am I and fat people are amusing.
Alison Smith wrote: What a horrible lot people you all are. I assume you are all perfect.I am.
7Dials, Brighton says...
8:21pm Tue 20 Oct 09
alyn, southwick, southwick says...
10:30am Wed 21 Oct 09
logicub wrote:how do you know there are not medical reasons for, or adding to, or stopping him from personally dealing with his obesity.
Alison Smith wrote: What a horrible lot people you all are. I assume you are all perfect.Not perfect, no. But I would never expect "tens of thousands of pounds" of public money to be spent on fixing something that I screwed up with my own body.
(This question applied as much to elfinbrighton & Forbes Coleman, et al.)
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit, Brighton says...
11:49am Wed 21 Oct 09
realdeal2, Hove says...
12:55pm Wed 21 Oct 09
alyn, southwick wrote:If he was unable to move, as a general rule,he would not be able to use the lavatory. No, it's impossible to believe that he's not the author of his own problems. Speaking of which, who's going to volunteer to do his bedpan ..........
logicub wrote:how do you know there are not medical reasons for, or adding to, or stopping him from personally dealing with his obesity. (This question applied as much to elfinbrighton & Forbes Coleman, et al.)Alison Smith wrote: What a horrible lot people you all are. I assume you are all perfect.Not perfect, no. But I would never expect "tens of thousands of pounds" of public money to be spent on fixing something that I screwed up with my own body.
rostron71, Brighton says...
1:05pm Wed 21 Oct 09
ShorehamBeachcomber wrote:You are if the story on adelaidenow.com.au is to be believed. They also report his annual care costs to be approx £100,000. Good job we're not in recession and eyeball-deep in national debt otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford to fritter billions away on this and other hopeless cases up and down the country.
can i take a guess at the name of the man 'who has not be named'....
ok i've consulted my tea leaves and i've come up with Paul Mason..am I close?
security word beachcomber mindreader
Security word: draw-lazy
Beethoven, Leicestershire says...
1:50pm Wed 21 Oct 09
Seems this guy does eat himself stupid and has only himself to blame. So YES I join the group who ask, "Why should the rest of us have to pay for his pigging out every day? "
Of course that would have to go for alcoholics who get a liver transplant, heavy smokers who get heart transplants, and anybody whose illness is self inflicted. You have to be consistant...
fmm2009, says...
1:57pm Wed 21 Oct 09
Attila the hungry, East Sussex (& Hunnic Empire) says...
3:29pm Wed 21 Oct 09
I work my ar5e off all week, struggle to pay my way with all the tax taken from me & see it spent on flip-ups like this! I do have a heart & can sympathise with people, who through no fault of their own, need genuine help, but this takes the biscuit (or rather the biscuit factory in this case!)....
I want to know if the person feeding him is going to be charged? If he can't do anything himself how did he eat & eat & eat? I know food isn't cheap and doesn't magically appear before you when you need it?
I really can’t wait until there's more people claiming benefits than there are people being taxed to a pittance to pay for it, people will have to start giving a t055 about things and hopefully realise they have to actually do something to help themselves rather than keep holding their hands out for ‘their’ fill from the 'bottomless pit' of taxpayers money.
Either that or I may as well just get too depressed to bother working and join the Q for all the lovely free things I can claim for doing Jack…
I think there should be an annual taxpayer holiday week, where taxpayers don’t pay tax and no one gets benefits, so we (the people who pay for all this) can live it up for just once! Rant over :-(
D Merrett, East Sussex says...
3:56pm Wed 21 Oct 09
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit, Brighton says...
5:31pm Wed 21 Oct 09
If I had my way the people who would be denied treatment would be the non-smoking, non-drinking organic health food and exercise brigade. They don't pay ANY extra tax and they live longer and thus claim more state pension. Also as they live longer they'll require more care until finally they'll die having bled the NHS white during their final illnesses. Tax broccli now!
fmm2009, says...
6:08pm Wed 21 Oct 09
logicub, Brighton says...
6:19pm Wed 21 Oct 09
If I fell through a hole in my roof (security word: hole-roof), then I would expect treatment from the NHS. But if I jumped through that hole on purpose, purposely landing in a big pile of broken glass, then despite my current state, soaking myself in alcohol and setting light to myself, then, despite knowing that my health is in serious jeopardy, continue to douse myself with petrol whilst hitting myself over the head with a sharpened baguette, I wouldn't necessarily expect the nice ambulance men to come running... driving... A little extreme for an example but it gets my point across, and besides, I *know* that they, and the nice men in white coats, would.
But, and this is my key point, I would hold no grudge against the "Argus Armchair brigade" (I think that's what we're affectionately known as) coming on here and calling me a bit of a plonker.
fmm2009, says...
7:57pm Wed 21 Oct 09
Spreadly, Brighton says...
12:14am Thu 22 Oct 09
lisalisalisa, Hove says...
9:23pm Thu 22 Oct 09
puddingandpi wrote:Love it. Do you think his favourite song is "Fatty Boom Boom"?
Andre Spooner wrote:I'm too fat to ride my pony. He is mouldering away in a field with his 2 Shetland friends while I pretend to try to lose weight. But food is so nice!
Me and my horse were so inspired by some of the comments on this story that we began to take matters into our own hands. First, me and the horse got thoroughly "tooled up" - I had one of the spikey balls on the end of a chain, which I was swinging around my head, whilst my horse had a laser-ray-weapon.
Then out onto the streets, in a brave and noble attempt to save the world from fatties! I crushed a good three myself with the spikey ball! See the chubs crushed beneath the might of Spooner! My horse shot another 4 of the local obese with his laser ray gun! Victory! No longer shall the plump walk the streets without fear! Beware! Beware! Spooner rides again!
Wow! My security word was "butter-feast"! Makes me hungry just to think about it. Crush! Crush!
I'm going to start taking him for walks until I lose enough weight to get back on SuperSteed.
My brother & his girlfriend managed to get up to 20 stones each & were given a ground floor flat so they didn't have to walk up the one flight of stairs to their previous flat.
I watched them spend £50 on crap & not a bit of food included - it was all crisps & biscuits, ice-cream, Coke, that sort of thing.
I think that if someone is so fat & on benefits, cut the cash & have them sent a vegetable box every week. It can include meat, doesn't have to be organic & can have recipes & instructions. I think that's a good idea to tackle the problem without getting all Nazi about it.
Tony Hancock, 3 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam says...
10:25am Fri 23 Oct 09
However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money.
They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter?
I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking.
What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity?
I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition.
The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!
tonyinbrighton, brighton says...
10:48am Fri 23 Oct 09
greeg, glasgow says...
1:02am Sat 24 Oct 09
Tony Hancock wrote:If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!
Tony Hancock, 3 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam says...
8:41am Sat 24 Oct 09
greeg wrote:Whoooooosh!
Tony Hancock wrote: The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
You missed the ENTIRE point of my argument.
What I was saying is that it seems there are dual standards. They are prepared to help this man who obviously isn't prepared to do anything about his problem himself, and yet other people who need treatment are not given it, because they don't comply with some arbitary guideline, even though medical intervention would make a huge difference.
I suspect medical intervention will not make the slightest difference with this man, and thus is a waste of resources.
Tony Hancock, 3 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam says...
10:11am Sat 24 Oct 09
greeg wrote:In addition:
Tony Hancock wrote: The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
1. Man running marathon has heart attack - it's an ACCIDENT.
2. Person injured in RTA - it's an ACCIDENT.
3. Mountain rescue - sometimes it's someone's stupidity, but still an ACCIDENT.
4. Man who eats so much food that he ends up being 70 stone - NO ACCIDENT. It's his own fault, no one else's.
alyn, southwick, southwick says...
9:43pm Sat 24 Oct 09
Tony Hancock wrote:'Whoooooosh!
greeg wrote:Whoooooosh! You missed the ENTIRE point of my argument. What I was saying is that it seems there are dual standards. They are prepared to help this man who obviously isn't prepared to do anything about his problem himself, and yet other people who need treatment are not given it, because they don't comply with some arbitary guideline, even though medical intervention would make a huge difference. I suspect medical intervention will not make the slightest difference with this man, and thus is a waste of resources.Tony Hancock wrote: The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
You missed the ENTIRE point of .'
"According to the Ipswich Star, he has tried and failed many times to lose weight, and is now virtually immobile.
Surgery is the only remaining option to lose weight and save his life. "
1. He has tried losing weight - what makes you think you know better than others (quite possibly the NHS, they do have weight guidelines so highly likely he would have been refused IF he had not TRIED);
2. The operation is for him to loose weight.
Tony Hancock, 3 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam says...
12:49pm Sun 25 Oct 09
alyn, southwick wrote:Losing weight is only a matter of willpower - NOTHING ELSE.
Tony Hancock wrote:'Whoooooosh! You missed the ENTIRE point of .' "According to the Ipswich Star, he has tried and failed many times to lose weight, and is now virtually immobile. Surgery is the only remaining option to lose weight and save his life. " 1. He has tried losing weight - what makes you think you know better than others (quite possibly the NHS, they do have weight guidelines so highly likely he would have been refused IF he had not TRIED); 2. The operation is for him to loose weight.greeg wrote:Whoooooosh! You missed the ENTIRE point of my argument. What I was saying is that it seems there are dual standards. They are prepared to help this man who obviously isn't prepared to do anything about his problem himself, and yet other people who need treatment are not given it, because they don't comply with some arbitary guideline, even though medical intervention would make a huge difference. I suspect medical intervention will not make the slightest difference with this man, and thus is a waste of resources.Tony Hancock wrote: The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
If he tried, he didn't TRY HARD ENOUGH.
This bloody nanny state makes everyone think that they will pick up the tab when people can't be bothered to take charge of their own lives and health.
If you're overweight - YOU do something about it. No one else can do it for you.
How could anyone get to 70 stone? You would have to eat non stop.
I have no sympathy at all and I don't want public money to be wasted on this man, when there are thousands of far more deserving people who have been waiting for ops for months or even years.
alyn, southwick, southwick says...
12:40am Mon 26 Oct 09
Tony Hancock wrote:Are you a trained doctor - if not I just discovered another way to safe the NHS money: stop training and paying doctors and employ you.
alyn, southwick wrote:Losing weight is only a matter of willpower - NOTHING ELSE. If he tried, he didn't TRY HARD ENOUGH. This bloody nanny state makes everyone think that they will pick up the tab when people can't be bothered to take charge of their own lives and health. If you're overweight - YOU do something about it. No one else can do it for you. How could anyone get to 70 stone? You would have to eat non stop. I have no sympathy at all and I don't want public money to be wasted on this man, when there are thousands of far more deserving people who have been waiting for ops for months or even years.Tony Hancock wrote:'Whoooooosh! You missed the ENTIRE point of .' "According to the Ipswich Star, he has tried and failed many times to lose weight, and is now virtually immobile. Surgery is the only remaining option to lose weight and save his life. " 1. He has tried losing weight - what makes you think you know better than others (quite possibly the NHS, they do have weight guidelines so highly likely he would have been refused IF he had not TRIED); 2. The operation is for him to loose weight.greeg wrote:Whoooooosh! You missed the ENTIRE point of my argument. What I was saying is that it seems there are dual standards. They are prepared to help this man who obviously isn't prepared to do anything about his problem himself, and yet other people who need treatment are not given it, because they don't comply with some arbitary guideline, even though medical intervention would make a huge difference. I suspect medical intervention will not make the slightest difference with this man, and thus is a waste of resources.Tony Hancock wrote: The NHS is supposed to be for everyone. However...... if a man has allowed himself to get to 70 stone in weight, I fail to see why the NHS should pay for SPECIALIST treatment for him, as it is an obvious waste of money. They won't give people new hips or new knee joints if they are even a couple of stone overweight, so why should this chap, who is so grossly fat, get any specialist treatment until he is at least 50 stone lighter? I have a friend who needs a liver transplant, but the doctors won't give him one until he stops drinking. What is the difference in denying this man treatment because of his obesity? I can't see one. Doctors make choices about whom to treat on a daily basis. I would have thought he should be bottom of any list, as he obviously has made no effort to do something about his condition. The story says that NHS Suffolk are required "by law" to treat him. If this is correct then why is it that the only way my friend can get his liver transplant is conditional on him stopping drinking? This man's treatment is not conditional on anything at all!!If there's no humanity in the world,you're correct.If someone attempts to run a marathon and collapses with heart problems,leave him as it's his fault?If someone misjudges the traffic when crossing the road and gets hit with a truck,too bad?If someone attempts to climb a mountain and needs rescued as he's been caught out by the weather,that's a problem for him?Are you listening to yourself?Hope you are not in the emergency services!
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6:11pm Mon 19 Oct 09