Brighton and Hove panel to monitor police over fears gay hate crimes are being ignored (From The Argus)

This confirms why I am not out on the streets after midnight.

Here we go again. There are no such things as hate crime. All victims of crime deserve a right to feel safe in their city. Andwhy is this group focussing on crimes against gay people. What about victims of racially aggravated crimes? So what do they count as homophobic crime? Is it ANY crime against a gay person? I would question the comment about only 1 in 7 crimes reported. Makes me think of Brass Eye, an increase in crime we know nothing about! We are all equal in the eyes of the law and all deserve justice and to be safe.

cheezburger wrote:
Here we go again. There are no such things as hate crime. All victims of crime deserve a right to feel safe in their city. Andwhy is this group focussing on crimes against gay people. What about victims of racially aggravated crimes? So what do they count as homophobic crime? Is it ANY crime against a gay person? I would question the comment about only 1 in 7 crimes reported. Makes me think of Brass Eye, an increase in crime we know nothing about! We are all equal in the eyes of the law and all deserve justice and to be safe.

The group is focussing on crimes against gay people, because it's an LGBT forum group that why!!!! Can't you tell from reading the blindingly clear information?

The survey was by an LGBT group, specifically asking LGBT people how many hate crimes they actually reported to the police, that's how they got the 1- in 7 figure. I took one of these surveys myself.

I cannot believe you deny the existance of hate crimes, are you really that incredibly stupid?

I bet 99.999% of people (apparently not you) in the UK would be able to define one.

sussexone wrote:

cheezburger wrote: Here we go again. There are no such things as hate crime. All victims of crime deserve a right to feel safe in their city. Andwhy is this group focussing on crimes against gay people. What about victims of racially aggravated crimes? So what do they count as homophobic crime? Is it ANY crime against a gay person? I would question the comment about only 1 in 7 crimes reported. Makes me think of Brass Eye, an increase in crime we know nothing about! We are all equal in the eyes of the law and all deserve justice and to be safe.

The group is focussing on crimes against gay people, because it's an LGBT forum group that why!!!! Can't you tell from reading the blindingly clear information? The survey was by an LGBT group, specifically asking LGBT people how many hate crimes they actually reported to the police, that's how they got the 1- in 7 figure. I took one of these surveys myself. I cannot believe you deny the existance of hate crimes, are you really that incredibly stupid? I bet 99.999% of people (apparently not you) in the UK would be able to define one.

The term hate crime does not exist in law. You can define what you rhink is a hate crime, but it doesnt make it fact. Are you seriously going to say that a crime against one sector of society is worse than on another? If a straight man is beaten up does it hurt less if a gay man was beaten up?

Have you never heard of the term justice is blind? It's supposed to mean that justice doesnt see who you are, cant see the colour of your skin, if you are reach or poor. It is supposed to be for all. Can you not grasp that basic tenet? If a crime against a white person warrants a 1 year jail term, it should warrant the same term for an asian person. All equal. By whining about perceived hate crime you encourage victims to feel oppressed, and think they are entitled to special privileges.

cheezburger wrote:
Have you never heard of the term justice is blind? It's supposed to mean that justice doesnt see who you are, cant see the colour of your skin, if you are reach or poor. It is supposed to be for all. Can you not grasp that basic tenet? If a crime against a white person warrants a 1 year jail term, it should warrant the same term for an asian person. All equal. By whining about perceived hate crime you encourage victims to feel oppressed, and think they are entitled to special privileges.

Chezburger, hopefully you are arguing to try to make some sense and not just for argument sake. It’s very good that some citizens –LGBT in this case- try to help and assist police officer to decrease crime targeting LGBT people. The case has been found and normal citizens been appointed to undertaking the initiative.
Two points to your doubts: 1.- If the justice should be blind it is more than obvious that the perpetrators are not and they target some members of our community. 2.- People are free to build up similar initiatives should they think they need them and there are individuals that can help. Following your logic there should be no neighbourhood watch scheme as it only covers certain streets and not the full of Brighton and Hove, or England, or the UK…
At this point in history I personally think that small initiatives can become really big when people do not look for their lucrative interest but for their community.

My point is that the police should be concentrating on all crime! Groups lobbying the police to put more resources on tackling crime on one demographic implies that sector should have special treatment and be treated more serious than if the crime had happened on another demographic. You wouldnt like rich people saying 'put more resources on solving crime against us rather than the poor people'.

cheezburger wrote:
Have you never heard of the term justice is blind? It's supposed to mean that justice doesnt see who you are, cant see the colour of your skin, if you are reach or poor. It is supposed to be for all. Can you not grasp that basic tenet? If a crime against a white person warrants a 1 year jail term, it should warrant the same term for an asian person. All equal. By whining about perceived hate crime you encourage victims to feel oppressed, and think they are entitled to special privileges.

You're talking about the way things should be,not the way they are.Everyone is treated unequally.e.g.,kill a tramp off the beach and you'll get 3 months,kill a policeman and you'll get 25 years.Why should the LGBT community be given special status,they shouldn't!

Graham Norton's not funny would be a hate crime if the militant LGBT community get their own way.They'd probably have the word procreate banned as well.

cheezburger wrote:
My point is that the police should be concentrating on all crime! Groups lobbying the police to put more resources on tackling crime on one demographic implies that sector should have special treatment and be treated more serious than if the crime had happened on another demographic. You wouldnt like rich people saying 'put more resources on solving crime against us rather than the poor people'.

Cheezburger,
In an ideal world there would be no crime at all! I think you failed to understand some basics. Our older LGBT community has some problems to trust the police forces as they had experienced being targeted by “agents provocateurs” so long ago. Legislation has changed since then and police must compulsory protect citizens regardless of their sexual identity or orientation. The police have a hot potato here: the LGBT communities are being victims of random attacks when some members of these communities have some reluctance to report or confide in PCs. Somehow there is a group of people that find that these issues must be either corrected or redirected. These people are not paid for it and in exchange they can be targeted by bigots as they come forward for their communities.
It is clear who are been attacked, somehow where and how (when reported), there is still more evidence needed as by whom and WHY. There it comes the need of victims’ support where the nature of the crime matters and how to best deal with the person. You seem to underlie that a crime is a crime and the response should be that just “one size fits all” which is utterly wrong.
Are you unhappy about that? Do you feel that your rights as to be protected by the police are being undermined? I think that far from being the case it is a case of citizens’ collaboration that according to police budgets and resources is most welcome. And so it was stated at the LGBT Safety Forum meeting to which this article refers.

Saying Graham Norton's not funny would be a hate crime if the militant LGBT community get their own way.They'd probably have the word procreate banned as well.

It's not limited to gay hate crime, but all crime. The community have lost confidence in the police completely. So why is one section of the community yet again getting preference and special treatment over the rest?