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9:57am Monday 18th January 2010
Smash EDO is holding another protest in Brighton today to mark the anniversary of the Gaza War.
The last big scale demonstration the group held in the city on Mayday last year caused widespread disruption.
It is not known how many people will attend today's demo, but The Argus will bring you updates from the scene. Reporting team: Ben Parsons, Andy Chiles, Simon Dack, Sam Stephenson, Jo Wadsworth.
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10am Police and protesters are making their final ahead of an anti-arms demonstration.
Smash EDO campaigners, who claim the EDO factory in Moulsecoomb makes parts for weapons used in military action by Israel in Palestine, are due to march through Wild Park this afternoon.
Hundreds of protesters, their ranks bolstered by supporters from around the country, are expected to try to reach the factory site itself in nearby Home Farm Road.
Police have not indicated how close senior officers are prepared to allow them to go.
Smash EDO has repeatedly snubbed invitations by police to discuss routes, numbers and possible disruption.
Today's Remember Gaza event, which begins at 1pm at Wild Park Cafe, is being held to commemorate Palestinian deaths in Israeli military action last year.
The factory denies it supplies Israel with weapon parts.
Protesters are asked to wear black, before carrying symbolic coffins to the factory site. It is the first large-scale demo for more than a year to focus on the site itself.
10.10am One of the reasons police are taking today's demo seriously is because the organisers are encouraging people from around the country to attend.
Two protesters from London are already tweeting about their journey to Brighton. Joti Brar said yesterday she was intending on coming, and Ben, aka Anarchasm is now on board a Brighton-bound coach.
10.15am Police intelligence officers often film protesters at Smash EDO demos, and in the run-up to them.
These units, known as Forward Intelligence Teams (FIT) sometimes find themselves on the end of a camera themselves. The FIT watch blog says it will be monitoring officers at the march today.
10.20am For anyone who missed the last protest, on May 4 last year, here's a video map showing the disruption it caused.
10.40am It's not just protesters who will be on the march. Local doorman Jason is going along just to see what happens.
He tweeted: "Let's see how much damage #smashEDO protesters do today... lets hope the cake shop don't get it."
10.50am The Smash EDO demonstrations are always controversial in the city because of the effect they have on people who have nothing to do with EDO - and the fact protesters often refuse to tell police where they plan to march.
But what do you think? Have your say in our poll here:
Should Smash EDO be banned from protesting in Brighton?
11am Smash EDO reports 100 people attended a meeting ahead of the demonstration at the Cowley Club in London Road, Brighton, last night.
A spokesman said members of the police's FIT team were watching the club from a spot outside Somerfield across the road, but no photographs were being taken.
He said a "large number" of people have travelled to Brighton from across the country, including Yorkshire, Cornwall and London, for today's demonstration.
11.30am While we're waiting for the march to start, here's some more reading for you. Here the protesters put their case and here's EDO's side.
Finally, here's what an independent watchdog said.
12.10pm Police say they are hoping to open a dialogue with protesters before the event begins in Wild Park to establish their intentions.
Unlike last May's demonstration in Brighton, the public order operation is being staffed entirely using Sussex Police officers.
Chief officers have granted authorisation under section 14 of the Public Order Act for officers to impose limits on the demonstration if there is concern of a threat of serious disorder, damage or disruption to the public.
Superintendent Steve Barry said police had obtained the same power during last May's demonstration but it was not used.
He said no advance decision has been taken over whether the demonstration will be allowed to reach Home Farm Road and the EDO factory site and the police response to the march's progress will depend on numbers and what officers see as the intentions of the protesters.
12.50pm Crime reporter Ben Parsons is now at the scene. He said: "It looks like quite a low key affair. There are six police cars, four vans, some horses and several police officers who have been looking in the woods above the park. There's probably about a dozen police officers on the ground.
"There are about two dozen protesters carrying placards and a coffin."
12.55pm Police are attempting to serve the Section 14 notice, but many of the protesters are ignoring officers and walking away.
1.15pm The numbers have swelled to about 100. There's still no movement.
The protesters have brought a soundsystem and are playing angry music on it.
Sarah Collins, 18, politics student from Sussex University and a support of students against EDO said she and other protesters had covered their faces with scarves not only to avoid police surveillance but also to identify with "the faceless victims of the arms trade".
She said: "We are here to show our anger and outrage over the production of military parts used by the Israeli airforce."
"We are here today to show we don't want this going on in Brighton."
1.45pm The cafe has now emptied onto the grass of the Wild Park. Reporter Ben Parsons estimates there are about 150 protesters present.
The police are still in small groups of about half a dozen or so around the outskirts of the park.
Superintendent Steve Barry said the protesters had rejected his efforts to engage with them and to notify them of the potential use of the public order legislation.
At 1.45pm a siren went off and a woman began addressing the crowd with a loudspeaker.
She invited the crowd to join her in marching to the factory.
2pm The march has moved off towards Lewes Road. Behind banners saying "Blood on your hands" featuring red handprints and "Remember Gaza" the protesters are shouting "Smash, smash, smash EDO".
The protesters are about to reach the Lewes Road and a small line of police officers is forming with officers on horseback ahead of the march.
Superintendent Steve Barry said: "The difficulty I have as commander is that nobody is telling us what their intentions are.
"We have attempted to hand out notices regarding potential restrictions of their activities but nobody wants to talk to us. "We want to facilitate a peaceful process, however they don't want to talk to us."
Home Farm Road, about 400m away from the head of the march, is blocked by police vans and lines of officers.
2.05pm The protesters are heading north along Lewes Road. Police have blocked traffic near the viaduct.
The protesters are at the junction of Home Park Road, which is being completely blocked by police lines.
2.10pm The vast majority of the protesters have broken through the woods and are scaling a very steep ridge.
The police at the Home Park Road barricade are not chasing them, but it's expected more officers will be present outside the EDO factory itself.
2.25pm The protest has moved through the woods to reach the factory, where police dogs can be heard.
2.30pm Many of the protesters have crossed open land behind the factory at the southern end of Wild Park where police officers and horses stand at the rear of the factory.
2.35pm Having gathered behind the factory on the open land, the police line opened to allow protesters down a footpath along the back fence of the industrial estate.
There's now a standoff with police blocking their progress along the footpath.
he protesters are now attempting to climb along a steep bank between the Forfars factory compound and the railway line but police are not allowing the protesters through.
2.40pm Protesters have now scrambled down the bank and are still contained within the police line.
There's a hand to hand struggle between a mass of protesters and the police line.
Horses are moving through the ranks of protesters to reach the police line.
Five missiles were seen to be thrown by protesters over the heads of police.
2.45pm The protesters are now trying to move back towards the open ground via the footpath.
Police said at this stage there have been no arrests, and no officers injured.
2.50pm Protesters seem to have breached a fence at the back of the industrial estate and have dropped onto a roof and police are now trying to pick them off.
They are now coming back through to evade the police.
2.55pm The EDO factory has just announced over a loud hailer that it is closing for the day.
Protesters have started to march away from the factory.
3pm The police have now forced the protesters back onto the open ground and the column is moving back towards the woods overlooking Lewes Road.
One protester was injured and treated by two men wearing black hooded tops and red cross armbands.
3.10pm The protest is now breaking up. About 50 protesters are still on the open land by the Wild Park Café. The others have moved off towards Lewes Road.
3.25pm The protesters who went into the woods have now regrouped with those who stayed at the barricade at the top of Home Farm Road.
All the protesters are now marching south down Lewes Road towards the city centre. It's now estimated there are about 300 people on the march.
3.30pm A police car and three vans have headed from Home Park Road towards Lewes Road and the march.
3.55pm On the way down Lewes Road, police attempted to stop the flow of the march a couple of times, sparking a couple of scuffles and prompting some to run up side roads.
The march then shuffled down Lewes Road, and stopped opposite Mithras House.
It is now slowly moving into town, and is passing the Vogue Gyratory, with demonstrators chanting "Smash EDO".
The numbers have decreased, but there are still at least 200 people on the march.
4.10pm Police have formed a line across Lewes Road at the junction with Elm Grove.
An officer has announced over a loudspeaker that the protest will be able to continue at The Level, but for the protection of the people of Brighton and Hove, it will not be allowed to travel anywhere else within the city.
He is issuing the Section 14 order which police advised protesters would be issued earlier in the day.
The protesters are chanting: "Whose streets? Our streets!"
4.25pm Protesters have gone through The Level gone along the London Road and are walking up into North Laine along Pelham Street and into Sydney Street.
Reporter Andy Chiles said: "The atmosphere is generally okay, but it is a bit pushey and shovey."
One of the crowd lobbed a dart into the air, which hit photographer Sam Stephenson. Fortunately, he was unhurt.
4.30pm Police are attempting to stop protesters making their way through North Laine.
There are now groups of demonstrators in North Road, Jubilee Street and Kensington Gardens.
Protesters are trying to evade the police by running down side streets.
4.35pm The reaction from people living and working in North Laine is not particularly positive.
James Devonport tweeted: "There was me thinking we had got away with it, the yobbos just arrived on Trafalgar Street."
And web designer superlative tweeted: "Tsk, looks like I'm getting the train home due to the idiotic #smashEDO protesters. I'm not risking the bus."
4.45pm The march has completely broken up and it's unclear where everyone is. There is still one group of about 50 in North Road.
Police are evidently expecting them to make their way to North Street, where about 40 police officers are guarding Barclays.
4.50pm According to Sussex Police, the protesters are mainly in pockets in North Laine. There are a few remaining near the factory, although there have not been any attempts to get in there.
4.50pm Photographs from the Moulsecoomb part of the protest are now being uploaded - click here to view them.
5pm Journalist John Thompson took this footage of the protest in North Road:
5.05pm Some of the protest is still in the London Road area.
Rosie Clarke tweets: "#smashedo protest in Brighton must be going along London Road - or maybe even closer - can now hear a full on sound system!"
5.10pm The soundsystem, which is attached to the back of a bicycle, is now in North Road, and currently playing dub, contributing to a more peaceful atmosphere.
Police are still containing a hard core of about 50 protesters there.
Some people are trying to get around the blockade, but ending up walking around the block.
Police said they did not know how long they were going to keep the protesters there.
5.15pm As the protest dies down, Cennydd Bowles tweets: "Poked my head round at the #smashEDO riots outside our office. Cameras and police outnumbering protestors."
And as if to prove his point, journalist Ed Martin leaves his office at journalism.co.uk to tweet: "Favourite police-baiting taunts from #brighton #smashedo 'WHY ARE YOU SWEATING? IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WEATHER' and 'SISSIES! SISSIES!'"
5.20 The protesters are still being contained. Quite a lot of people are standing around outside Wagamama - some in school uniform - simply watching the police.
It's believed the rest of the march has dispersed.
Wendy McAngus tweeted: "Police horses just clip clopped their way down the Old Steine looking like they are on their way home."
5.50pm The police release the remaining protesters from the kettle in North Road.
One of them, who calls himself Jonnie Marbles, tweeted: "Just released from #smashedo kettle. If u don't know what a kettle is, imagine a prison where the walls are all made of t***s."
6.30pm Photographer Sam Stephenson has returned to the office - still carrying the dart which was thrown at him:
7pm Sussex Police has released a statement about the protest.
Brighton and Hove City Commander, Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett said: "Once again, during a demonstration organised by Smash EDO, we have seen intimidating behaviour and sporadic outbreaks of disorder within Wild Park, Home Farm Road and the city centre.
"Members of public including many visitors trying to go about their normal business have clearly been frightened by the behaviour of a small minority of protestors and many have faced disruption.
"As at 7.00pm, there were four arrests for public order offences. We will continue to investigate any other offences that have occurred and where possible bring those responsible to justice.
"We aimed to facilitate peaceful protest, safeguarding the public and minimising disruption, and made concerted efforts to engage with the organisers about their intentions today. Once again, for future events, I urge those who wish to hold demonstrations in the city to abide by the law and notify the police of their intentions in advance so that jointly we can plan a safe but visible event which respects their right to protest and others rights to go about their business free from intimidation and violence.
"The officers involved in policing today's demonstration are the same officers who work in our local communities providing the policing service expected of us.
"We would all rather see them helping to resolve local issues in their neighbourhoods. We are used to policing larger demonstrations than this with far fewer officers due to the organisers engaging with us and being part of the planning process."
7.30pm Smash EDO has also issued a press statement about the day's events and hailed the demonstration as a great success.
It said: "Over 300 people turned out to commemorate the anniversary of the aerial bombardment of Gaza with banners and symbolic coffins.
"A dynamic crowd broke free from police control and streamed through the woods to surround the factory from three sides.
"The factory, target of a long running campaign by the Smash EDO protest group, was surrounded in a symbolic re-enactment of the siege of Gaza."
Smash EDO spokeswoman Chloe Marsh said: "The fact that this weapons' components factory was forced to close for a day is a fitting memorial to the 1,417 murdered victims of the aerial bombardment of Gaza."
sussexskin, brighton says...
11:06am Mon 18 Jan 10
Mel Hove, Hove says...
11:19am Mon 18 Jan 10
Variable, Brighton says...
11:25am Mon 18 Jan 10
steve15, says...
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deltaP, Brighton says...
11:52am Mon 18 Jan 10
Fight Back, Hove says...
11:57am Mon 18 Jan 10
Variable, Brighton says...
11:57am Mon 18 Jan 10
Turing Test, says...
12:27pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Mel Hove wrote:Qassam rockets aren't supplied to Gaza by anyone. They're domestically produced by Hamas from steel pipes, with fertilizer used as propellant and warhead.
How about a protest against the suppliers of rockets to Gaza, since this is where the trouble started in the first place?
She-Ra, Princess Of Power, Brighton says...
12:46pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Fight Back wrote:Indeed.
With the right to protest comes responsibilities. Smash EDO refuse to at responsibility for their own actions and therefore should have their right to protest curtailled. When they stop wearing masks, smashing the city up and trying to pick a fight with the police then maybe people will listen. Until such a time the protest should be banned and protesters should feel the full weight of the law.
hangleton_resident, hangleton says...
1:04pm Mon 18 Jan 10
brightonborn&bred, brighton says...
1:06pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Charismatic Andrew, Patcham says...
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ultiali, Hove says...
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cheezburger, brighton says...
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Luke72, Hove says...
1:24pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger, brighton says...
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cheezburger, brighton says...
1:34pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Fight Back, Hove says...
1:36pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger wrote:As I've said before, they're not the most intelligent bunch of people, lol.
So that girl doesnt want her face seen? Well since we know her name we can Facebook her, lol.
Nyberg, Ystad says...
1:39pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Luke72 wrote:I love it too... what do you think they're playing?
"The protesters have brought a soundsystem and are playing angry music on it. " HAHA. The expression ANGRY MUSIC is hilarious.
Nyberg, Ystad says...
1:47pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger wrote:I checked. If it's the same woman she only has a photo of her feet as a profile pic. That's what uni education does - it makes you clever!
So that girl doesnt want her face seen? Well since we know her name we can Facebook her, lol.
dolphy, hanover says...
1:48pm Mon 18 Jan 10
btpwag, lancing says...
1:52pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger, brighton says...
1:55pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Luke72, Hove says...
2:03pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger, brighton says...
2:06pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sussexone wrote:On the contrary they are wanted. By the old bill for falsely claiming dole.
these people are stupid, do they really think their protest will do anything other than p*ss off local people in Brighton, it won't make EDO go away, and why should they.
Smash EDO, please go away, you aren't wanted.
security words: geta-job
jsuk2000, Brighton says...
2:10pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sussexskin, brighton says...
2:12pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg, Ystad says...
2:19pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sussexskin wrote:They don't need to go that far. Why don't they try to attack the Israeli or American embassies?
why dont they go to gaza with their banners ??? oh its because they might get shot by bullets and they are terrified of that, yet they attempt to represent them same people..... sad individuals.....
Granny, Brighton says...
2:20pm Mon 18 Jan 10
steveP2009, Brighton says...
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Fight Back, Hove says...
2:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
brightonyorkie, Brighton says...
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Nyberg, Ystad says...
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sparky_2004, Worthing says...
3:18pm Mon 18 Jan 10
steveP2009, Brighton says...
3:21pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such things as lunch breaks at work you know. Also tea breaks. But they don't give 'us' enough time to go rioting around the city. Tsk.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
steveP2009, Brighton says...
3:24pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg, Ystad says...
3:25pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
scthetruth, Brighton says...
3:32pm Mon 18 Jan 10
metalrockchick, Brighton says...
3:58pm Mon 18 Jan 10
ciskaz, brighton says...
4:05pm Mon 18 Jan 10
lee paul, Kemp Town says...
4:06pm Mon 18 Jan 10
hangleton_resident wrote:I agree!,
If this wasn't so serious it would be funny. I see that Ben Duncan the Green Party Parliamentary Candidate is supporting this 'rabble-rousing'. What has Caroline Lucas got to say about this? The Greens are so dangerous - anarchists pretending to be something they aren't. They must hate the British and our way of life - they just want to destroy everything around them. Dreadful.
sparky_2004, Worthing says...
4:10pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
metalrockchick, Brighton says...
4:17pm Mon 18 Jan 10
freewheelingdom, Brighton and Hove says...
4:25pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Angryoldman, says...
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Fight Back, Hove says...
4:27pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:Agreed. Something we don't need to assume though is that the so called "protestors" don't want a peaceful demo. Just a bunch thugs regardless of being employed or not and washed or not.
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !
lee paul, Kemp Town says...
4:29pm Mon 18 Jan 10
metalrockchick wrote:I agree, If people want to buy guns and that they should be allowed to, as long as they do it sensibly
Whether some products end up on a battlefield or not is not neccessarily the fault of the Company. It's narrow minded and just an excuse for these people. There are such things as middle men you realise who sell things on? Is it the Companies job to follow its product for it's whole life? Do knife manufacturers have the responsibility of checking who has bought one? If someone wants to hurt another person they will always find a way. This Company is being targeted because it's easy to do so. By the way this 'FACT' of yours (and it may be true) comes from where exactly?
btpwag, lancing says...
4:36pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Jolly Rodger, 1A Bus says...
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TeaDrinker, Brighton says...
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Lucky7, Brighton says...
4:47pm Mon 18 Jan 10
TeaDrinker, Brighton says...
5:01pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Lucky7 wrote:Do not weapons tend to be made up of components?
TeaDrinker - they don't actually make weapons, just components that "allegedly" end up in weapons. Like Siemens, who may make your dishwasher, also make communication systems for weapons or armies, for example. I'm afraid it's a rather spurious excuse for a "demo".
She-Ra, Princess Of Power, Brighton says...
5:04pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:Hey sparky, I'm guessing if it's 'FACT' then you have some proof?
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/ up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !sparky_2004 wrote: Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home. And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
Lucky7, Brighton says...
5:08pm Mon 18 Jan 10
stan bailey, brighton says...
5:09pm Mon 18 Jan 10
BringBackGoodGrammar, The Posh part of Hove says...
5:09pm Mon 18 Jan 10
freewheelingdom wrote:who is tony blaire?
So Edo say they don't have weapons of mass destruction, but the protestors invade anyway. A bit like Tony Blaire and Bush not believing Sadam in Iraq and so invading anyway. A bit hipocritical of the protestors Viva Tony Blaire.
TeaDrinker, Brighton says...
5:36pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Lucky7 wrote:Er... no. On EDO's own website they describe their wares as "weapon interfacing systems", it's hardly that they are making screws and widgets which could equally go into dishwashers. And, despite what some people on this board seem to choose to believe, I doubt weapon systems are often bought for their ornamental value.
Yes. But components can be used anywhere in any product and EDO aren't responsible for who puts them in what. It's the people who use the weapons that are really responsible for where they end up, surely?
Nyberg, Ystad says...
5:46pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:Look back through my posts if you like - you will no reference whatsoever to the protesters having jobs (or not).
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !
sparky_2004, Worthing says...
5:48pm Mon 18 Jan 10
She-Ra, Princess Of Power wrote:As has been said, look at the EDO (or ITT) website...Even better, learn to google!
sparky_2004 wrote:Hey sparky, I'm guessing if it's 'FACT' then you have some proof?
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/ up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !sparky_2004 wrote: Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home. And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
Can I see it please?
Pweddy, pweddy please? :)
sparky_2004, Worthing says...
5:55pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg wrote:People seem to want 'facts, so how about supplying proof that 'just about the whole of Brighton' has united against the protests...where are those counter demos that the apathetic here often talk about? I'm afraid it's just the usual 'nay-sayers' again!So go on, organise a protest yourself..it's a 'free country' isn't it? - unless of course you disagee with someone else's point of view...lol !
sparky_2004 wrote:Look back through my posts if you like - you will no reference whatsoever to the protesters having jobs (or not).
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/
sparky_2004 wrote:There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home.
Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?
And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !
That has never been an argument that (to me) holds any water.
However, the fact that just about the whole of Brighton has united AGAINST the protesters, because of previous behaviour, tells me that enough is enough.
They haven't convinced the vast majority with their argument, and they have had enough opportunities.
It's time to ban this protest. They have had a public platform for long enough and have FAILED. End of.
sussexone, Btn says...
5:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Ringmer Rich, Ringmer says...
6:05pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cult of edo, brighton says...
6:09pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Fight Back, Hove says...
6:11pm Mon 18 Jan 10
bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
6:12pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sussexone wrote:What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.
cheezburger, brighton says...
6:29pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger, brighton says...
6:31pm Mon 18 Jan 10
bibble wrote:In bible's black and white world two wrongs DO make a right.
sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
6:40pm Mon 18 Jan 10
cheezburger wrote:Nope, just pointing out that if it is wrong for these demonstrators to cover their faces, then it is equally wrong for the police to do the same.
bibble wrote:In bible's black and white world two wrongs DO make a right.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
TeaDrinker, Brighton says...
6:51pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Littlemog, Brighton says...
6:51pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sup, says...
6:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Mel Hove, Hove says...
6:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sup, says...
6:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
7:33pm Mon 18 Jan 10
The Brighton Bear, Brighton says...
7:34pm Mon 18 Jan 10
kerryfrog, portslade says...
7:35pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg, Ystad says...
7:36pm Mon 18 Jan 10
bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today.
sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
Nyberg, Ystad says...
7:40pm Mon 18 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy wrote:Bail out of banks - bad.
What the comedy right-wing trolls who bang on with their usual ' get-a-job soap 'n' work dodger guff on this site don't understand is that Smash EDO is a cult, its full of Trustafarians who don't need to work anyway. Its run by a few 'Aceface' Cowley Egos and is a single issue campaign who wouldn't bat an eye lid for more local issues such as pensioners freezing to death in the cold snap because they can't afford the heating bills. Its emphasis on the middle east and Gaza means it attracts the attention of our friends from the Jihad community as well as an alarming number of Jew-baiters and out-and-out Nazis posing as Anarchists.MI5 are no doubt over all them like a rash. Whilst failing in its objectives of closing the factory What SmashEdo has achieved is to help turn Brighton into a mini police state that gives the cops from 3 counties some overtime when the Labour party circus leaves Town. As for the 'rent-a-mob' cliche, yes there are many people who turn up to protest and complain about things that are nothing to do with SmashEdoCult I will offer some examples of things that makes people angry, you may feel free to add your own; Pensioners freezing to death because they can't pay the fuel bills Govt bail out of banks, bankers bonuses, and cut backs on public spending. MPs expenses. Redundancies and home repo's. High rents and empty properties. Businesses going bust and council tax going through the roof. No jobs and overpopulation Etc Etc Etc By focusing the anger abroad on Israel and Gaza SmershEgo makes sure these issues are ignored.They must be all Government Spies!
tannen, Brighton says...
7:53pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sparky_2004 wrote:I was outside the Israeli embassy on 27th December and have been on actions opposing Anglo-American aggression, and I will continue to do so. However,this time last year 1417 Palestinians were killed, including over 300 children. Some of the parts that aided that massacre were manufactured in my home town. I, for one, cannot ignore that fact.
She-Ra, Princess Of Power wrote:As has been said, look at the EDO (or ITT) website...Even better, learn to google!
sparky_2004 wrote:Hey sparky, I'm guessing if it's 'FACT' then you have some proof?
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/ up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !sparky_2004 wrote: Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home. And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
Can I see it please?
Pweddy, pweddy please? :)
You could of course look here: http://www.raytheon.
com/capabilities/rtn
wcm/groups/rms/docum
ents/content/rtn_rms
_products_agm65_lau1
17.pdf or any number of sites linking EDO/ITT with Raytheon, but then of course you wouldn't believe it anyway would you !
bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
7:58pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg wrote:So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators. Wake up, looney.
bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today. The reason the man died was because he was already very ill. Nothing to do with the police.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
another village idiot, Hassocks says...
8:11pm Mon 18 Jan 10
bibble wrote:I agree bibble. Ian's death should revolt all decent people, and why haven't more MP's condemned this manslaughter. If I'd smashed a stick round a coppers middle and he'd died and have had my neck broken in the back of the van and no fair trial. Wake up, it could be you next when you protest about bankers bonuses.
Nyberg wrote:So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators. Wake up, looney. Ian Tomlinson's death had nothing to do with the police assaulting him shortly before he died? I see. Not.bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today. The reason the man died was because he was already very ill. Nothing to do with the police.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
sussexskin, brighton says...
8:47pm Mon 18 Jan 10
brightonborn&bred, brighton says...
9:14pm Mon 18 Jan 10
UglyAmerican, Hotlanta says...
9:38pm Mon 18 Jan 10
brightonborn&bred, brighton says...
9:50pm Mon 18 Jan 10
TheInsider, Brighton says...
9:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
mando, brighton says...
10:00pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg, Ystad says...
10:01pm Mon 18 Jan 10
bibble wrote:"So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators"
Nyberg wrote:So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators. Wake up, looney.
bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today. The reason the man died was because he was already very ill. Nothing to do with the police.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
Ian Tomlinson's death had nothing to do with the police assaulting him shortly before he died? I see. Not.
bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
10:05pm Mon 18 Jan 10
Nyberg wrote:Well I suggest you move to somewhere like Zimbabwe. You would feel right at home.
bibble wrote:"So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators" Yup. That's right.Nyberg wrote:So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators. Wake up, looney. Ian Tomlinson's death had nothing to do with the police assaulting him shortly before he died? I see. Not.bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today. The reason the man died was because he was already very ill. Nothing to do with the police.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
bibble, London (but visit Brighton regularly) says...
10:08pm Mon 18 Jan 10
UglyAmerican wrote:The usual whingers often talk about having a "counter protest", but nothing comes of it. They are all mouth and no trousers.
If you are really sick of these people causing such a fray when they visit, then perhaps you could do more than complain on the Argus agony board. Form a counter protest, placards and all. Ensure that you contact media outlets beforehand to make sure everyone understands your position. Stick to the protesters like glue. Photograph these knuckleheads. Not just while they are protesting. Follow them and try to catch them unmasked. Do everything you can to catch them out. They have no right to privacy while in public so your pictures should be admissible as evidence. Exposure is the surest way to send them scurrying back to their various holes. If the actions above do happen to illicit any violent behavior against Brighton "civilians", then there is even more exposure of their false reasons for causing these events.
StrangerPassingBy, says...
10:17pm Mon 18 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
10:17pm Mon 18 Jan 10
brighton123, brighton says...
10:36pm Mon 18 Jan 10
tannen wrote:tannen
sparky_2004 wrote:I was outside the Israeli embassy on 27th December and have been on actions opposing Anglo-American aggression, and I will continue to do so. However,this time last year 1417 Palestinians were killed, including over 300 children. Some of the parts that aided that massacre were manufactured in my home town. I, for one, cannot ignore that fact.
She-Ra, Princess Of Power wrote:As has been said, look at the EDO (or ITT) website...Even better, learn to google!
sparky_2004 wrote:Hey sparky, I'm guessing if it's 'FACT' then you have some proof?
Nyberg wrote:Indeed - In the just the same way that some of the protestors may be self employed, or even (shock horror) have taken a day off work. The ignorance shown is to assume that no-one on the protest actually cares about the real issue, and that real issue is the FACT that arms components from the factory find their way to the 'battlefield' (or rather above it) where innocent people are being killed. I don't assume that those who object to the protest support the killing of those innocent people, so neither should those who do protest be assumed to be unemployed/unwashed/ up for a fight or all the other cliches that those who are too apathetic to stand up for something seem to enjoy bleating on about !sparky_2004 wrote: Given that an oft repeated objection to these protestors is their employment/benefits status, then I'm wondering why the you bunch of 'armchair generals' aren't working instead of posting ignorant comments on a website?There is such a thing as being self-employed and working from home. And the only ignorance that I see around here is from the Smash EDO lot... and possibly yourself?
Can I see it please?
Pweddy, pweddy please? :)
You could of course look here: http://www.raytheon.
com/capabilities/rtn
wcm/groups/rms/docum
ents/content/rtn_rms
_products_agm65_lau1
17.pdf or any number of sites linking EDO/ITT with Raytheon, but then of course you wouldn't believe it anyway would you !
At least 25% of the people on the protest I know for a fact have already been to Gaza and the West Bank. Many, including myself are planning to return in the coming months. If the right-wing, reactionary Daily Mail by the Sea readers had been any further afield than English pubs on the Costa del Sol perhaps they would be on the marches themselves.
Incidentally; I’ve never claimed benefits, I’m from (what I would describe as) working class routes and I had a shower this morning and I may even have one tonight.
mookskywalker, Brighton says...
10:41pm Mon 18 Jan 10
dhlennon, Brighton Central says...
10:56pm Mon 18 Jan 10
NotGreen, Brighton says...
11:16pm Mon 18 Jan 10
sound_man, Tarring says...
11:33pm Mon 18 Jan 10
viggo, brighton says...
1:49am Tue 19 Jan 10
stan bailey, brighton says...
7:07am Tue 19 Jan 10
mando wrote:What are your views on Iran wanting to Nuke Israel off the planet?
Good on them, I say. just kids with a conscience and really it's not a lot of disruption really is it ? compared to what some people in the world have to put up with. we take what we have for granted too often and to get so upset about 3-4 hours disruption is laughable, you ought to be embarrassed , I'm sure if you are a brightonian then you will have found a shortcut and got to where you needed to be, and then plugged your laptop in and whinged furiously about how inconvenienced you were today, come on ! lighten up a bit and think about someone else for a change. edo may not as some say be a legitimate target for protesters, but the plight in Gaza is, the protest today may have managed to help you to think about someone else and how awful their life might be. Though as Oscar wilde did say " the English will never have a revolution, as they drink too much tea and eat too much bread" so instead of getting up off your arse and doing something then just type me an angry reply, go on it'll make you feel loads better, gggrrrrhhhh !!!!!
Nyberg, Ystad says...
8:53am Tue 19 Jan 10
scaffolder, brighton says...
9:34am Tue 19 Jan 10
Bennn, Kemptown, Brighton says...
9:46am Tue 19 Jan 10
bibble wrote:Well said mate.
Nyberg wrote:Well I suggest you move to somewhere like Zimbabwe. You would feel right at home. But before moving, ask yourself why people leave such countires. Ask yourself why people from such countries seek asylum here. Ask yourself why they don't want to go back there. The answer is not "the weather", but usually an arbitrary and unjust system of government, with society ruled by policemen of the type that you advocate.bibble wrote:"So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators" Yup. That's right.Nyberg wrote:So you are basically saying there should be one law for the police and one law for demonstrators. Wake up, looney. Ian Tomlinson's death had nothing to do with the police assaulting him shortly before he died? I see. Not.bibble wrote:I don't care if the police covered their faces, or that they behaved like stormtroopers. I wish they had behaved more like stormtroopers today. The reason the man died was because he was already very ill. Nothing to do with the police.sussexone wrote: peaceful protest my ar*e, is that why they are all dressed like stormtroopers with their faces covered? They should stay out of Brighton Smash EDO aren't welcome here.What about the police at the G20 demonstrations? They had their faces covered. They went round like storm troopers. And they killed somebody in the process...
amnezia, Brighton says...
12:37pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Jolly Rodger, 1A Bus says...
12:59pm Tue 19 Jan 10
St Peters, Brighton says...
1:17pm Tue 19 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
2:00pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Turing Test, says...
2:02pm Tue 19 Jan 10
stan bailey wrote:Probably depends on whether you believe Ahmadinejad actually said anything like that, or whether the quote was distorted, Stan. He certainly never mentioned "nukes". http://www.presstv.c
mando wrote:What are your views on Iran wanting to Nuke Israel off the planet?
Good on them, I say. just kids with a conscience and really it's not a lot of disruption really is it ? compared to what some people in the world have to put up with. we take what we have for granted too often and to get so upset about 3-4 hours disruption is laughable, you ought to be embarrassed , I'm sure if you are a brightonian then you will have found a shortcut and got to where you needed to be, and then plugged your laptop in and whinged furiously about how inconvenienced you were today, come on ! lighten up a bit and think about someone else for a change. edo may not as some say be a legitimate target for protesters, but the plight in Gaza is, the protest today may have managed to help you to think about someone else and how awful their life might be. Though as Oscar wilde did say " the English will never have a revolution, as they drink too much tea and eat too much bread" so instead of getting up off your arse and doing something then just type me an angry reply, go on it'll make you feel loads better, gggrrrrhhhh !!!!!
StrangerPassingBy, says...
2:35pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Stevieggg01, Hove says...
4:01pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Stevieggg01, Hove says...
4:04pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Thepragmatist, says...
4:06pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Variable, Brighton says...
4:09pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Stevieggg01, Hove says...
4:20pm Tue 19 Jan 10
tannen, Brighton says...
4:33pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Stevieggg01 wrote:If only they had bombed Gazza- Argus readers would probably be more likely to take to the streets if someone hurt the wife-beating, national treasure. Unfortunately, EDO/ITT's weapons components are only used against foreign looking types.
By the way i wash and am self employed!
I take it most of you agree with the bombings in Gazza etc?
Just imagine if by that simple twist of fate you and your family were born in Palestine!
Turing Test, says...
4:38pm Tue 19 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy wrote:I could've quoted wikipedia to make the same point - or plenty of other websites offering various points of view on the controversy of what Mr Dinnerjacket actually said... al-jazeera, for example. Whatever.
Turing Test : U r Wrong...
Not many people here will bother to follow your link but i just did
Your link is from PressTV the mouthpiece of the Iranian state. Its the Iranian version of the BBC not Indymedia. Propaganda in other words. Bearing in mind Iranian Govt human rights record I think its very poor that u quote it as a source.
AmaDinnerJacket is a liar. Forget Israel for just 1 second if you can. Look at his comments about the old USSR. In fact most of its citizens wanted a reformed 'social democratic' form of communism but Boris Yeltsin introduced capitalism shock therapy against the peoples wishes by sending in tanks to shell the parliament building.
There are plenty of books available nowadays about post soviet russian history.Why not get one and gen up when u r next in Gaza??
Also, i don't know if u noticed but the Iranian people are a bit Effed off with their regime. How about organising a demo in Brighton to support them? No I thought not. "Death2TheDictator" is a catchy slogan for a demo, tho'.
Nuclear-armed Iran, Nein Danke is another one.
jackjacka, Brighton says...
4:53pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Brunswicker, Hove says...
5:10pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
6:22pm Tue 19 Jan 10
Fight Back, Hove says...
8:16pm Tue 19 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
10:36am Wed 20 Jan 10
Turing Test, says...
11:14am Wed 20 Jan 10
jackjacka, Brighton says...
11:49am Wed 20 Jan 10
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
5:42pm Wed 20 Jan 10
jackjacka, Brighton says...
5:51pm Wed 20 Jan 10
sparky_2004, Worthing says...
6:51pm Wed 20 Jan 10
JonnieMarbles, says...
6:54pm Wed 20 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
9:14pm Wed 20 Jan 10
Turing Test, says...
7:09am Thu 21 Jan 10
jackjacka, Brighton says...
10:34am Thu 21 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
11:08am Thu 21 Jan 10
lastgasp, brighton says...
9:02pm Thu 21 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
9:28pm Thu 21 Jan 10
jackjacka, Brighton says...
10:46am Fri 22 Jan 10
quiet cynic, says...
1:54pm Fri 22 Jan 10
Fight Back wrote:"how come hundreds ( many more than on the Smash EDO demo ) of football fans managed to demonstrate in a peaceful and family orientatied way "
As an Albion fan I often have to put up with the perception that all football supporters are a bunch of thugs. Given that perception, how come hundreds ( many more than on the Smash EDO demo ) of football fans managed to demonstrate in a peaceful and family orientatied way. WE achieved our aims - a new ground. Smash EDO will NEVER achieve their aims if they insist in covering their faces with masks and carrying weapons - it makes them no better than the Israelis. And that's coming from someone who supports the people of Gazas cause - what I won't do is support a bunch of thugs intent on trouble and too stupid to hold an intelligent demo.
quiet cynic, says...
2:08pm Fri 22 Jan 10
jackjacka, Brighton says...
5:58pm Fri 22 Jan 10
Identropy, Brighton says...
8:41pm Fri 22 Jan 10
StrangerPassingBy, says...
1:56pm Mon 25 Jan 10
KETTLING: Police barricade the protesters in North Road this evening. Picture by James Devonport
PEACEFUL PROTEST: The marchers at Wild Park this lunchtime. Picture by Simon Dack
BARRICADE: Police attempt to contain the demonstration in North Road. Picture by Judith Townend
MAKE TEA NOT WAR: A protester on a bike at Wild Park
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sussexone, Btn says...
10:59am Mon 18 Jan 10
Smash EDO, please go away, you aren't wanted.
security words: geta-job