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Students still holding University of Sussex building
10:58am Tuesday 9th February 2010
Students protesting against job and course cuts are still holding part of a university building.
About 100 University of Sussex students stormed the Terrace Room at Bramber House on Falmer campus at about 4pm yesterday.
Up to 70 are thought to still be there this morning with fellow students bringing food, water and blankets overnight.
The university management have closed the third floor of the building whilst the demonstrators are there.
The protest was the climax to a demonstration, organised by the Stop the Cuts campaign, against management plans to cut 115 jobs in a bid to save £5 million in 2010-11.
A support demonstration is planned for noon today outside the campus library.
A university spokeswoman said: "We are making alternate arrangements where events in the Conference Suite might have had to be re-arranged.
"Our overriding concern remains the safety of students, staff and visitors to the campus and the good running of normal university activities.
"We want this disruptive action to end as swiftly as possible."
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jackp, Brighton says...
11:29am Tue 9 Feb 10
As intelligent students (in the most part) we're well aware of that, however the frustration and hence cause for action comes from the University's senior management just rolling over to the government and barrel-rolling their cost cutting measures and compulsory redundancies without having the decency to properly consult their staff or students ,who have viable alternatives ready, or object to the funding cuts themselves.
scthetruth, Brighton says...
11:49am Tue 9 Feb 10
Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.
Mr Lahey, Sunnyvale says...
11:56am Tue 9 Feb 10
scthetruth wrote:ooh the laziness card, and played within three comments of a mostly unrelated article.
Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.
Same old argument, different idiot making it.
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
12:09pm Tue 9 Feb 10
How true. When Tony Blair said "Education, Education, Education", he was actually muttering "Revolution, Revolution, Revolution" under his breath.
davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
12:30pm Tue 9 Feb 10
it will only be the pointless courses, which only a minority attend anyway, that will be cut or removed. mainstream courses that really mean something will not be affected, which is the correct way of doing things. i can never understand why major universities offer silly courses which very few students attend. this should be left to minor uni's and polytechnics.
Turing Test, says...
1:29pm Tue 9 Feb 10
davyboy wrote:Yes, the "silly" departments facing the most cuts are IT and engineering. It's not like we'll need computer programmers or engineers in the future...
it will only be the pointless courses, which only a minority attend anyway, that will be cut or removed. mainstream courses that really mean something will not be affected, which is the correct way of doing things. i can never understand why major universities offer silly courses which very few students attend. this should be left to minor uni's and polytechnics.
als40, Brighton says...
1:48pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Turing Test wrote:All European History before the 20th Century. The same is true of British History before 1750. World class research into areas of great importance is to9 be replaced by the research into family trees and digital archive management under the proposals English Literature also faces severe cuts. The future of all modern languages in in danger. Far from it being a case of silly subjects being axed, the core of the university is being threatened and faces replacement with "silly" vocational courses.
davyboy wrote: it will only be the pointless courses, which only a minority attend anyway, that will be cut or removed. mainstream courses that really mean something will not be affected, which is the correct way of doing things. i can never understand why major universities offer silly courses which very few students attend. this should be left to minor uni's and polytechnics.Yes, the "silly" departments facing the most cuts are IT and engineering. It's not like we'll need computer programmers or engineers in the future...
Drivel, Brighton says...
1:54pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Cause - good Method - not
Granny, Brighton says...
2:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Aren't they at university to learn? If so then they should be attending their courses, unless, of course the students concerned are the ones there simply because they do not want to look for a job.
LovelyBoyRuss, Peacehaven says...
2:51pm Tue 9 Feb 10
The History department faces closures. But History is a really silly thing to study and nothing that we learn from the mistakes of the past will prevent us from making the same mistakes in the future. Good riddance.
scthetruth, Brighton says...
3:14pm Tue 9 Feb 10
LovelyBoyRuss wrote:So should the Sociology and Political Science departments (and the African studies add on). What good has ever come out of the University from people studying these subjects? Only mainly loafing students and core Labour activists. Peter Hain, that diabolical excuse of an MP is a typical product.
The History department faces closures. But History is a really silly thing to study and nothing that we learn from the mistakes of the past will prevent us from making the same mistakes in the future. Good riddance.
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
3:42pm Tue 9 Feb 10
There will be massive & savage cuts to both education, as a whole & also to the building of new schools. Who do you blame? My money is on Maggie Thacther, who has single-handed run this country into the ground over the last 12 years. Well, she does get the blame for everything else.
Drivel, Brighton says...
3:46pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Why the Hain hate?
Andy R, Hove says...
5:03pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Drivel wrote:Oh who cares??
Why the Hain hate?
Well done the students!
superlative, Brighton says...
5:50pm Tue 9 Feb 10
As someone who studied at Sussex, and who worked there for three years, I have a deep affection for the university.
However, THERE ISN'T AN ENDLESS POT OF MONEY. What do the students expect? Sussex has had dire financial problems for years, and now funding for higher education is being cut. That's going to have an effect, whether you like it or not, and occupying the third floor of Bramber House (one of the comfiest areas to occupy, I wonder why they chose that) won't make any difference.
However, THERE ISN'T AN ENDLESS POT OF MONEY. What do the students expect? Sussex has had dire financial problems for years, and now funding for higher education is being cut. That's going to have an effect, whether you like it or not, and occupying the third floor of Bramber House (one of the comfiest areas to occupy, I wonder why they chose that) won't make any difference.
rstone88, brighton says...
6:25pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Hello, I'm a student journalist writing an article on the Stop the Cuts campaign. I am hoping to give publicity to the campaign and was wondering if I could get a quote from a demonstrator involved in the occupation of Bramber house. I will also be at the university tomorrow morning and hope to get some photo's to accompany the article. Any help will be welcome and would only increase the publicity surrounding your demonstration.
Thank you.
Thank you.
thensx, Hove says...
6:36pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
6:51pm Tue 9 Feb 10
davyboy wrote:Yes because Computer Science is such a pointless course, Biochemistry is a pointless course Electrical Engineering, mechanical engineering these are all *such* minor courses aren't they. But it's good that real mainstream courses like Business management and International Security are being restarted, wouldn't want a minor uni jumping the gun now would we.
it will only be the pointless courses, which only a minority attend anyway, that will be cut or removed. mainstream courses that really mean something will not be affected, which is the correct way of doing things. i can never understand why major universities offer silly courses which very few students attend. this should be left to minor uni's and polytechnics.
Andre Spooner, Brighton says...
6:54pm Tue 9 Feb 10
I blame Peter Hain and so does my Mighty Horse! Just the other day I was riding my horse down by the university and I spotted the odious Mr Hain dripping pure poison into the ears of these students, like the play within a play in Shakespeare's "Great Expectations". No wonder they are causing mayhem! If I was a student, it would only talk a small amount of encouragement from a Labour minister to cause me to wreak havoc across campus in the name of education! Falmer beware! I am strapping the Armour of Might onto my Mighty Horse and raising the Lance of Studies! Bravo! To Glory! Spooner rides again!
Wow, my security word was "Michael-Portillo". Why don't they do some bloody studying for a change! I ask you! Bravo! Bravo! To glory!
Wow, my security word was "Michael-Portillo". Why don't they do some bloody studying for a change! I ask you! Bravo! Bravo! To glory!
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
6:59pm Tue 9 Feb 10
scthetruth wrote:Hey look everyone a University management sock puppet!
Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.
Actually the majority of students squirm at the site of the fees we're paying that constantly going up, while the value of the services we receive keep going down.
Oh and on the subject of real jobs you mean jobs such as mismanaging an institute, giving yourself repeated pay rises during that time, bailing out with a golden parachute when people start to complain and repeating the process like a certain vice-chancellor I could name *cough* Michael Farthing *cough* is that the sort of real job you're talking about?
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
7:02pm Tue 9 Feb 10
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
7:09pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Granny wrote:Yes we are we're here to get an education, not to be turned into cash cows, and watch areas of study that have done ground breaking work be kicked out on the street, all for the sake of a percentage. Would you go into work if you weren't going to get paid? It's exactly the same we're paying for services that aren't being delivered. Or maybe you feel that because we're younger than you we're somehow not as deserving?
Aren't they at university to learn? If so then they should be attending their courses, unless, of course the students concerned are the ones there simply because they do not want to look for a job.
TheInsider, Brighton says...
7:18pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Although I dislike students due to the fact they keep me awake and tell my wife to **ck off when she politely asks them to keep the noise down, I applaud this lot.
It's about time the apathetic students in this town did something more useful than stay up all night playing with their XBoxes.
30,000 students and hardly any of them turn out to save cuts in health, education or council services. They are mostly posh kids who are too comfortable to have to fight. As someone said to me, you have to be rich to be able to vote Labour.
I also predicted that students would start revolting when services started getting cut. Next they might actually start campaigning about the poor service they get on the courses which aren't being axed.
A couple of contact hours a week for three years for twenty grand.
Then the kids realise that employers aren't interested in what sort of degree they have and that they maty as well have studied at Open Uni while working.
Come on students, get out of the pub, get out of bed and support local community campaigns too.
It's about time the apathetic students in this town did something more useful than stay up all night playing with their XBoxes.
30,000 students and hardly any of them turn out to save cuts in health, education or council services. They are mostly posh kids who are too comfortable to have to fight. As someone said to me, you have to be rich to be able to vote Labour.
I also predicted that students would start revolting when services started getting cut. Next they might actually start campaigning about the poor service they get on the courses which aren't being axed.
A couple of contact hours a week for three years for twenty grand.
Then the kids realise that employers aren't interested in what sort of degree they have and that they maty as well have studied at Open Uni while working.
Come on students, get out of the pub, get out of bed and support local community campaigns too.
Fight Back, Hove says...
7:58pm Tue 9 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:Quite clearly not studying English language then ! Site or sight .... hmmmm ?
scthetruth wrote:Hey look everyone a University management sock puppet!
Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.
Actually the majority of students squirm at the site of the fees we're paying that constantly going up, while the value of the services we receive keep going down.
Oh and on the subject of real jobs you mean jobs such as mismanaging an institute, giving yourself repeated pay rises during that time, bailing out with a golden parachute when people start to complain and repeating the process like a certain vice-chancellor I could name *cough* Michael Farthing *cough* is that the sort of real job you're talking about?
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
8:25pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Fight Back wrote:Oh grow up
The Hindmost wrote:Quite clearly not studying English language then ! Site or sight .... hmmmm ?
scthetruth wrote:Hey look everyone a University management sock puppet!
Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.
Actually the majority of students squirm at the site of the fees we're paying that constantly going up, while the value of the services we receive keep going down.
Oh and on the subject of real jobs you mean jobs such as mismanaging an institute, giving yourself repeated pay rises during that time, bailing out with a golden parachute when people start to complain and repeating the process like a certain vice-chancellor I could name *cough* Michael Farthing *cough* is that the sort of real job you're talking about?
Nyberg, Ystad says...
8:44pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Universities are just money making exercises these days. Anyone can go, whether they are academically gifted or not. There are far too many graduates with duff degrees from duff universities, who will NEVER get a job in the subject they have studied.
Barricading yourselves in the university is an utter waste of time, as is spending 3 years at university for most people.
Join the REAL world.
Barricading yourselves in the university is an utter waste of time, as is spending 3 years at university for most people.
Join the REAL world.
thensx, Hove says...
9:54pm Tue 9 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
10:30pm Tue 9 Feb 10
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Tony Davenport, Brighton says...
10:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Are you students sure you are not being used? You know, the old trick of the uni getting told by government that lecturers have to cut down on "perks" etc., story gets made up about lots of courses being closed, students outraged, do usual student demo things, media coverage, government embarrassment and bingo! no cuts.
Tony Davenport
Tony Davenport
Leilastar, Brighton says...
10:34pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Granny, Brighton says...
2:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Aren't they at university to learn? If so then they should be attending their courses, unless, of course the students concerned are the ones there simply because they do not want to look for a job.
Yes, we are at University to learn. And we are protesting cuts that constrict what we can learn - I talk from experience. My degree is not worthless either - one of the few scientific truly interdisciplinary degrees in this country.
The students' issue is with the treatment of the smaller budget by management, and their apparent inability to go about the cuts in a fair, considered manner.
I'm sure people who think that this is an immature movement have not properly researched the issue and have no idea what it is like to have your degree radically constricted without consultation.
It is our education. We are paying for it. It is our right to receive what we are paying for.
2:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Aren't they at university to learn? If so then they should be attending their courses, unless, of course the students concerned are the ones there simply because they do not want to look for a job.
Yes, we are at University to learn. And we are protesting cuts that constrict what we can learn - I talk from experience. My degree is not worthless either - one of the few scientific truly interdisciplinary degrees in this country.
The students' issue is with the treatment of the smaller budget by management, and their apparent inability to go about the cuts in a fair, considered manner.
I'm sure people who think that this is an immature movement have not properly researched the issue and have no idea what it is like to have your degree radically constricted without consultation.
It is our education. We are paying for it. It is our right to receive what we are paying for.
Gentleman Jim, North Brighton says...
11:13pm Tue 9 Feb 10
These students dont realise that for many of them there will be no decent positions available because too many are being enrolled.This is the result of the government policy of reducing unemployment by increasing the number of students.
They will be saved a huge disappointment of achieving qualifications which they cannot use.
They will be saved a huge disappointment of achieving qualifications which they cannot use.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
12:15am Wed 10 Feb 10
Gentleman Jim wrote:Yes, lets not strive for things, in fact what's the point of doing anything? Lets all just stop going to work, so we avoid the possibility of crushing disappointment because our day was boring. Then we can stop breeding because we might suffer the disappointment that our children don't live up to our expectations. Then we can stop talking, eating...lets just all let ourselves die, that's a perfect solution.
These students dont realise that for many of them there will be no decent positions available because too many are being enrolled.This is the result of the government policy of reducing unemployment by increasing the number of students.
They will be saved a huge disappointment of achieving qualifications which they cannot use.
cal, Brighton says...
12:20am Wed 10 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:It's people with your attitude that make students feel alienated from communities, not all students are the stereotype you make them out to be.
Although I dislike students due to the fact they keep me awake and tell my wife to **ck off when she politely asks them to keep the noise down, I applaud this lot.
It's about time the apathetic students in this town did something more useful than stay up all night playing with their XBoxes.
30,000 students and hardly any of them turn out to save cuts in health, education or council services. They are mostly posh kids who are too comfortable to have to fight. As someone said to me, you have to be rich to be able to vote Labour.
I also predicted that students would start revolting when services started getting cut. Next they might actually start campaigning about the poor service they get on the courses which aren't being axed.
A couple of contact hours a week for three years for twenty grand.
Then the kids realise that employers aren't interested in what sort of degree they have and that they maty as well have studied at Open Uni while working.
Come on students, get out of the pub, get out of bed and support local community campaigns too.
As for the protesters, I agree with the cause, but not their methods. Students had to be evacuated from Bramber House when this started as there were students on the roof, meaning that fellow students had to leave their classes...I thought we were fighting for education, not disrupting it.
bell, says...
12:26am Wed 10 Feb 10
I really think it is such a shame that people constantly jump to make assumptions about things they have not at all researched. It is not just lecturers etc facing compulsary redundancies but also student support staff, security staff, technicians, the creche service and the sexual health service. There has been no consultation whatsoever from management. Frankly it seriously p***es me off that people can have a rant about 'lefty loony student layabouts' when actually what we are fighting against is the loss of jobs implemented from the top without any consultation by people who are on 100-200 grand plus (that all had the benefit of a free education by the way!) This is something that effects the community and that everyone should be angry about. I am well aware that people love to make a comment on anything anyone says just for the sake of venting and being negative, so I hope all those who face loss of jobs and a fall in the quality of their university experience can rise above any ignorant commenter whose only way of making a second come back is by saying something like " ooh your at university and you cant spell or put full stops in all the right places that proves your thick and im right".... By the way , I am a student having worked full time for 5 years after my A levels so I certainly am not at uni because I don't want to get a job. I have been involved in campaigns on and off campus , I also volunteer in the community and have a job , I think you'll find a lot of other students are also in this position... yes some students are inconsiderate and a pain but I think you'll find people like this in all walks of life regardless of whether they have a job or not !
davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
8:09am Wed 10 Feb 10
Turing Test wrote:i based my comment on what i thought would happen, and nowhere in the article does it state what will be cut. if what you say is right, then i support the campaign fully, as these are mainstream courses. i cannot see how courses like the history of art is helpful at all, yet some people do it.
davyboy wrote:Yes, the "silly" departments facing the most cuts are IT and engineering. It's not like we'll need computer programmers or engineers in the future...
it will only be the pointless courses, which only a minority attend anyway, that will be cut or removed. mainstream courses that really mean something will not be affected, which is the correct way of doing things. i can never understand why major universities offer silly courses which very few students attend. this should be left to minor uni's and polytechnics.
Mr Lahey, Sunnyvale says...
8:49am Wed 10 Feb 10
scthetruth wrote:perhaps you'd now like to explain how you didn't go to university and run your own small business ? Or go over how your tax dollars are funding the protest ?
Mr Lahey wrote:Idiots work in teams it seems. Dick heads act in singular.scthetruth wrote: Students barricading themselves into a University building shows how immature a minority are. I'm sure the majority of students squirm at this kind of action. University campuses today are really a haven for left wing zealots (Peter Hain is a good example) and those too lazy to find a real job.ooh the laziness card, and played within three comments of a mostly unrelated article. Same old argument, different idiot making it.
tilburyre, Worthing says...
9:29am Wed 10 Feb 10
This lot seem to be studying to become Trade Union members.
Turing Test, says...
9:31am Wed 10 Feb 10
Fair enough. It's not like The Argus hasn't already reported on this story giving the details http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/4772781.S
ussex_university_sta
ff_prepare_to_strike
_over_job_cuts/ or the article above doesn't refer to the the Stop The Cuts campaign where all the relevant information about what's being proposed is clearly presented.
But why let your own ignorance get in the way of a predictable knee-jerk comment? Tony Blair based a whole war on what he thought would happen - does the fact that he didn't get his facts straight before launching it make him more or less stupid?
co.uk/news/4772781.S
ussex_university_sta
ff_prepare_to_strike
_over_job_cuts/ or the article above doesn't refer to the the Stop The Cuts campaign where all the relevant information about what's being proposed is clearly presented.
But why let your own ignorance get in the way of a predictable knee-jerk comment? Tony Blair based a whole war on what he thought would happen - does the fact that he didn't get his facts straight before launching it make him more or less stupid?
Leilastar, Brighton says...
1:51pm Wed 10 Feb 10
cal wrote:The only reason they closed Bramber house was to stop other students joining the occupation. There were no students on the roof, as you say, only in the conference centre or on the balcony. And the protesters deliberately chose a place to occupy that did not disrupt students' education - in fact, yesterday Bramber classes carried on as normal, which they could have done on the day of the occupation.
TheInsider wrote:It's people with your attitude that make students feel alienated from communities, not all students are the stereotype you make them out to be.
Although I dislike students due to the fact they keep me awake and tell my wife to **ck off when she politely asks them to keep the noise down, I applaud this lot.
It's about time the apathetic students in this town did something more useful than stay up all night playing with their XBoxes.
30,000 students and hardly any of them turn out to save cuts in health, education or council services. They are mostly posh kids who are too comfortable to have to fight. As someone said to me, you have to be rich to be able to vote Labour.
I also predicted that students would start revolting when services started getting cut. Next they might actually start campaigning about the poor service they get on the courses which aren't being axed.
A couple of contact hours a week for three years for twenty grand.
Then the kids realise that employers aren't interested in what sort of degree they have and that they maty as well have studied at Open Uni while working.
Come on students, get out of the pub, get out of bed and support local community campaigns too.
As for the protesters, I agree with the cause, but not their methods. Students had to be evacuated from Bramber House when this started as there were students on the roof, meaning that fellow students had to leave their classes...I thought we were fighting for education, not disrupting it.
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
3:40pm Wed 10 Feb 10
To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.
Leilastar, Brighton says...
6:59pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Gaz the great wrote:This is true. However, it is Sussex University's management who are choosing how to implement them, and that is precisely what the students are protesting about.
To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.
Leilastar, Brighton says...
7:01pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Further from previous post - a nation-wide student movement is being built, but it relies on small movements like these. Only then can we challenge the government.
TheInsider, Brighton says...
7:27pm Wed 10 Feb 10
So cal, the residents in my street welcome students, befriend them, lend them tools, clear their rubbish, jump start their cars and when we ask for a little quiet after 11pm we get told to **ck off this is 'student' town and you say we alienate them. Are you a student or a very naive person?
Please read the 51 page scrutiny report into student communities in Brighton completed in Feb 2009 which is available to read on the B&H Council website. You will learn about alienation.
I think the comments on story give you a good indication of how the community feels about these unis and students.
Please read the 51 page scrutiny report into student communities in Brighton completed in Feb 2009 which is available to read on the B&H Council website. You will learn about alienation.
I think the comments on story give you a good indication of how the community feels about these unis and students.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
9:04pm Wed 10 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:You mean the community of exactly ten self absorbed whiners who appear to love nothing more than throw their toys out of their cot? Oh and before telling other people to go off and do some research, maybe you should try doing it yourself, seeing as the Council passed a motion backing the protesters.
So cal, the residents in my street welcome students, befriend them, lend them tools, clear their rubbish, jump start their cars and when we ask for a little quiet after 11pm we get told to **ck off this is 'student' town and you say we alienate them. Are you a student or a very naive person?
Please read the 51 page scrutiny report into student communities in Brighton completed in Feb 2009 which is available to read on the B&H Council website. You will learn about alienation.
I think the comments on story give you a good indication of how the community feels about these unis and students.
Leilastar, Brighton says...
10:58pm Wed 10 Feb 10
I think you'll find that you are talking about an entirely different issue. The student movement of 'stop the cuts' also supports the worker's union, and it is sad that you, TheInsider, cannot see past a few individual students causing late nights and see the wider issue affecting our whole community.
TheInsider, Brighton says...
11:03pm Wed 10 Feb 10
What on earth are you talking about? The council made not such suggestion. The council made 37 recommendations to deal with the student problem in Brighton.
Either you are talking about a different issue or living in Worthing has given you dementia.
Perhaps your name Hindmost refers to the fact you talk out of your backside mostly.
Either you are talking about a different issue or living in Worthing has given you dementia.
Perhaps your name Hindmost refers to the fact you talk out of your backside mostly.
TheInsider, Brighton says...
11:28pm Wed 10 Feb 10
leilastar. I sit on a graduate recruitment committee for a top UK company and have often received applications from students from Sussex. I have come face-to-face with applicants who I have looked at and thought that they might have been the one who swore at my elderly mother when she was visiting or told my wife to **** off when she has told them she has to work an ealry shift in ITU the next day.
I have liaised with both unis in this town on many business projects and also have a meeting next month at the House of Commons about some aspects of graduate recruitment and investment. I meet all sorts of people who would be useful to you. Lords, ladies, MPs and people who can invest in colleges. But students don't even think that their neighbours actually might have the key to helping them. We are just their silly neighbours, boring old people who moan about the noise. Boring old people who are in boring jobs because we go out at 6am and come home at 7pm.
But not one of these kids has ever asked what we do. Have you spoken to your neighbours.
I once asked Lord Forte how he became so successful in business and life and he told me: Never, ever assume anything about anyone. Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
That advice has served me very well.
I have liaised with both unis in this town on many business projects and also have a meeting next month at the House of Commons about some aspects of graduate recruitment and investment. I meet all sorts of people who would be useful to you. Lords, ladies, MPs and people who can invest in colleges. But students don't even think that their neighbours actually might have the key to helping them. We are just their silly neighbours, boring old people who moan about the noise. Boring old people who are in boring jobs because we go out at 6am and come home at 7pm.
But not one of these kids has ever asked what we do. Have you spoken to your neighbours.
I once asked Lord Forte how he became so successful in business and life and he told me: Never, ever assume anything about anyone. Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
That advice has served me very well.
jackp, Brighton says...
12:03am Thu 11 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:And the subject of this article is really about the student 'problem'. Read it again. Bring up your issue with the University by all means, but evidently by living in a double university-town and then grumbling on the web about students, they might think twice about listening to anything you have to say.
What on earth are you talking about? The council made not such suggestion. The council made 37 recommendations to deal with the student problem in Brighton.
Either you are talking about a different issue or living in Worthing has given you dementia.
Perhaps your name Hindmost refers to the fact you talk out of your backside mostly.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
12:05am Thu 11 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:Don't you just love people who talk about the "X problem", as though the easiest answer would be extermination. Oh and If we're going to start name calling dear boy I wonder what "the Insider" says about you, and by the way clicky: http://tinyurl.com/y
What on earth are you talking about? The council made not such suggestion. The council made 37 recommendations to deal with the student problem in Brighton.
Either you are talking about a different issue or living in Worthing has given you dementia.
Perhaps your name Hindmost refers to the fact you talk out of your backside mostly.
jpqhcd looks like its you with the dementia, now go have your nice glass of warm milk and try and remember when you were relevant.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
12:08am Thu 11 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:Wow, just WOW the sheer level of hypocrisy in this post just staggers me. I'm starting to think you might be trying to troll us, are you trying to troll us? or can you really not see past the end of your own nose?
leilastar. I sit on a graduate recruitment committee for a top UK company and have often received applications from students from Sussex. I have come face-to-face with applicants who I have looked at and thought that they might have been the one who swore at my elderly mother when she was visiting or told my wife to **** off when she has told them she has to work an ealry shift in ITU the next day.
I have liaised with both unis in this town on many business projects and also have a meeting next month at the House of Commons about some aspects of graduate recruitment and investment. I meet all sorts of people who would be useful to you. Lords, ladies, MPs and people who can invest in colleges. But students don't even think that their neighbours actually might have the key to helping them. We are just their silly neighbours, boring old people who moan about the noise. Boring old people who are in boring jobs because we go out at 6am and come home at 7pm.
But not one of these kids has ever asked what we do. Have you spoken to your neighbours.
I once asked Lord Forte how he became so successful in business and life and he told me: Never, ever assume anything about anyone. Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
That advice has served me very well.
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
5:35am Thu 11 Feb 10
Leilastar wrote:The only way forwards, in this case, is backwards. As in, a reduction of the numbers attending uni. Even if you win this round, with the help of the election in the near future, they want your vote remember, whichever goverment gains control they will be forced into savage public spending cuts due to the fact this country, like several others within the EU, has no money. It is simple economics, so you may only get a one year reprieve. No goverment can contiue to borrow at its present rate & there only so many ways you can raise taxes before the tax payers revolt.
Gaz the great wrote: To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.This is true. However, it is Sussex University's management who are choosing how to implement them, and that is precisely what the students are protesting about.
StvSeagulls, says...
12:10pm Thu 11 Feb 10
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
Turing Test, says...
12:25pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
Leilastar, Brighton says...
1:19pm Thu 11 Feb 10
TheInsider wrote:Again, you are avoiding the issue of this article, and though I am loath to agree with name-callers, you are complaining about students on the wrong thread. I personally have had positive relationships with all my neighbours at University, and can think of many examples of my friends' neighbours being prejudiced against them from the very start.
leilastar. I sit on a graduate recruitment committee for a top UK company and have often received applications from students from Sussex. I have come face-to-face with applicants who I have looked at and thought that they might have been the one who swore at my elderly mother when she was visiting or told my wife to **** off when she has told them she has to work an ealry shift in ITU the next day.
I have liaised with both unis in this town on many business projects and also have a meeting next month at the House of Commons about some aspects of graduate recruitment and investment. I meet all sorts of people who would be useful to you. Lords, ladies, MPs and people who can invest in colleges. But students don't even think that their neighbours actually might have the key to helping them. We are just their silly neighbours, boring old people who moan about the noise. Boring old people who are in boring jobs because we go out at 6am and come home at 7pm.
But not one of these kids has ever asked what we do. Have you spoken to your neighbours.
I once asked Lord Forte how he became so successful in business and life and he told me: Never, ever assume anything about anyone. Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
That advice has served me very well.
This article, however is about the cuts at Sussex, not the students' relationships with their neighbours, though I must say it would serve you well to listen to your own advice:
"Never, ever assume anything about anyone. Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become."
Leilastar, Brighton says...
1:35pm Thu 11 Feb 10
Gaz the great wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that this is the way forward. Certainly there have been far more applicants to University recently (greatly encouraged by many schemes from the government), conflicting with a now-reduced number of places at University (due to the cuts). I propose more vocational courses for the people that are just going to University because there are no jobs available at the moment. As far as money goes, students accept that there is no avoiding cuts. But they need to be implemented in different ways, considering staff and student impacts and opinions. Some things crucial to Sussex (student advisors, unisex, the nursery, interdiscliplinary degrees, history, languages, science and great tutors) are being cut, where other areas not to crucial are being ignored. Cuts are inevitable, but need to be decided as a democracy, and this is not what is happening at Sussex, or indeed other Universities, or even within the government. Rich people are saving money for themselves while the rest of us lose our jobs and education. This is not the way society should be.
Leilastar wrote:The only way forwards, in this case, is backwards. As in, a reduction of the numbers attending uni. Even if you win this round, with the help of the election in the near future, they want your vote remember, whichever goverment gains control they will be forced into savage public spending cuts due to the fact this country, like several others within the EU, has no money. It is simple economics, so you may only get a one year reprieve. No goverment can contiue to borrow at its present rate & there only so many ways you can raise taxes before the tax payers revolt.
Gaz the great wrote: To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.This is true. However, it is Sussex University's management who are choosing how to implement them, and that is precisely what the students are protesting about.
StvSeagulls, says...
2:18pm Thu 11 Feb 10
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
2:44pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
StvSeagulls, says...
3:16pm Thu 11 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
jackp, Brighton says...
3:39pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:And yours more constructively than pursuing an argument on an internet board. Because that's the way to make your e-genitals big! That tells me all I need to know about who you are.
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
Gaz the great, Brighton says...
3:41pm Thu 11 Feb 10
Leilastar wrote:Totally agree with your comments but where are the jobs coming from once students leave uni with their degrees. The latest goverment thought on this is to increase charges by up to 60% for those who pay & attend, meaning a 4 year course could set you back a minimum £20,000. Then there is talk of charging intrest for those who have borrowed money. As an outsider, I still believe that uni should be free for all, as long as they have the ability to complete the course. Remove some courses which are irrelevant & spend the money elsewhere:
Gaz the great wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that this is the way forward. Certainly there have been far more applicants to University recently (greatly encouraged by many schemes from the government), conflicting with a now-reduced number of places at University (due to the cuts). I propose more vocational courses for the people that are just going to University because there are no jobs available at the moment. As far as money goes, students accept that there is no avoiding cuts. But they need to be implemented in different ways, considering staff and student impacts and opinions. Some things crucial to Sussex (student advisors, unisex, the nursery, interdiscliplinary degrees, history, languages, science and great tutors) are being cut, where other areas not to crucial are being ignored. Cuts are inevitable, but need to be decided as a democracy, and this is not what is happening at Sussex, or indeed other Universities, or even within the government. Rich people are saving money for themselves while the rest of us lose our jobs and education. This is not the way society should be.Leilastar wrote:The only way forwards, in this case, is backwards. As in, a reduction of the numbers attending uni. Even if you win this round, with the help of the election in the near future, they want your vote remember, whichever goverment gains control they will be forced into savage public spending cuts due to the fact this country, like several others within the EU, has no money. It is simple economics, so you may only get a one year reprieve. No goverment can contiue to borrow at its present rate & there only so many ways you can raise taxes before the tax payers revolt.Gaz the great wrote: To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.This is true. However, it is Sussex University's management who are choosing how to implement them, and that is precisely what the students are protesting about.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
4:09pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:Learn to read the article, it wasn't a class room it was a conference room, and surely it's a matter of simple logic to realise that closing departments and firing staff in a scatter gun approach all in order to save the wages of a few senior management members is more disruptive than occupying one conference room. Oh and by the way, aren't we now heading into pot kettle territory as you repeat a quotation, a move that you criticised an earlier poster for?
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
StvSeagulls, says...
5:23pm Thu 11 Feb 10
jackp wrote:Likewise.....pot, kettle and my friend. "e-genitals"........
StvSeagulls wrote:And yours more constructively than pursuing an argument on an internet board. Because that's the way to make your e-genitals big! That tells me all I need to know about who you are.
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
.I can see University is working wonders for you!
StvSeagulls, says...
5:31pm Thu 11 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:We are indeed my friend. But as you will probably notice from my earlier posts, it's more of a hobby winding up people with nothing better than do then take over a "conference" room and then also spend time on message boards where they moan about the the closing of departments and then take a more productive approach and render parts of the university inaccessible such as the "THIRD FLOOR" of the building, which surely has an adverse affect. Because that will help the cause entirely and the studies of the other students.
StvSeagulls wrote:Learn to read the article, it wasn't a class room it was a conference room, and surely it's a matter of simple logic to realise that closing departments and firing staff in a scatter gun approach all in order to save the wages of a few senior management members is more disruptive than occupying one conference room. Oh and by the way, aren't we now heading into pot kettle territory as you repeat a quotation, a move that you criticised an earlier poster for?
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
Turing Test, says...
6:14pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:StvSeagulls, you complain that someone assumes you're a "guy" and yet you've made predictably ignorant judgments about me.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
I don't even know why I should bother with this, but FYI - I work full-time, have done for years, and I quoted TheInsider because the irony of his last post was too delicious not to repeat.
Of course, irony isn't something someone like you, with your limited education, is likely to recognise.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
6:40pm Thu 11 Feb 10
StvSeagulls wrote:I should warn you, before you waste any more time, you can't make me angry, better trolls than you have tried. Oh, and I see you still haven't learned to read around the subject (huge shocker there by the way) because with less than a minutes research you would have discovered that it was management who sealed off the third floor, not the protesters, and it was management who made people reschedule events in Bramber house, the protesters were perfectly willing to let them go ahead with any events in there, having occupied a disused room.
The Hindmost wrote:We are indeed my friend. But as you will probably notice from my earlier posts, it's more of a hobby winding up people with nothing better than do then take over a "conference" room and then also spend time on message boards where they moan about the the closing of departments and then take a more productive approach and render parts of the university inaccessible such as the "THIRD FLOOR" of the building, which surely has an adverse affect. Because that will help the cause entirely and the studies of the other students.
StvSeagulls wrote:Learn to read the article, it wasn't a class room it was a conference room, and surely it's a matter of simple logic to realise that closing departments and firing staff in a scatter gun approach all in order to save the wages of a few senior management members is more disruptive than occupying one conference room. Oh and by the way, aren't we now heading into pot kettle territory as you repeat a quotation, a move that you criticised an earlier poster for?
The Hindmost wrote:What makes you think I am a "guy"?! I too shall quote "Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become." . Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I just think your time could be spent more constructively than disrupting the studies of those that want to learn, by taking over a classroom! Because that will get results!
StvSeagulls wrote:Or you know you could, guy who seems to be spending inordinate amounts of time on here complaining.
Turing Test wrote:I rest my case. Typical of your studies I should imagine, taking others work and using it as your own! Rather than spending you time surfing the web when you should be probably in studies, do something constructive with your time, you could take a look here:
StvSeagulls wrote:Never judge anyone by the way they act or dress. You never know who they are, or more importantly, who they might become.
Blooming students, get a job! Cut their loans as well........welcome to the real world!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/jobs/
thensx, Hove says...
1:05pm Fri 12 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Leilastar, Brighton says...
1:51pm Fri 12 Feb 10
Gaz the great wrote:Yeah, I do actually agree with you. There are some degrees (and I won't say which ones in my view) that do not seem to require 3 years at University. Cutting them would not see so much protest as the current choices the University has made. As one of the protesting chants go, "education is a right, not a privilege", but it certainly seems to be going back the way of the privileged, with reduced places at all Universities, and the cap on the fees looking very weak.
Leilastar wrote:Totally agree with your comments but where are the jobs coming from once students leave uni with their degrees. The latest goverment thought on this is to increase charges by up to 60% for those who pay & attend, meaning a 4 year course could set you back a minimum £20,000. Then there is talk of charging intrest for those who have borrowed money. As an outsider, I still believe that uni should be free for all, as long as they have the ability to complete the course. Remove some courses which are irrelevant & spend the money elsewhere:
Gaz the great wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that this is the way forward. Certainly there have been far more applicants to University recently (greatly encouraged by many schemes from the government), conflicting with a now-reduced number of places at University (due to the cuts). I propose more vocational courses for the people that are just going to University because there are no jobs available at the moment. As far as money goes, students accept that there is no avoiding cuts. But they need to be implemented in different ways, considering staff and student impacts and opinions. Some things crucial to Sussex (student advisors, unisex, the nursery, interdiscliplinary degrees, history, languages, science and great tutors) are being cut, where other areas not to crucial are being ignored. Cuts are inevitable, but need to be decided as a democracy, and this is not what is happening at Sussex, or indeed other Universities, or even within the government. Rich people are saving money for themselves while the rest of us lose our jobs and education. This is not the way society should be.Leilastar wrote:The only way forwards, in this case, is backwards. As in, a reduction of the numbers attending uni. Even if you win this round, with the help of the election in the near future, they want your vote remember, whichever goverment gains control they will be forced into savage public spending cuts due to the fact this country, like several others within the EU, has no money. It is simple economics, so you may only get a one year reprieve. No goverment can contiue to borrow at its present rate & there only so many ways you can raise taxes before the tax payers revolt.Gaz the great wrote: To all you students. You are protesting in the wrong place. Protest outside the House of Commons, as this is where the cuts have come from.This is true. However, it is Sussex University's management who are choosing how to implement them, and that is precisely what the students are protesting about.
Plus when you and I say "irrelevant", "not requiring 3 years at Uni" courses, I'm sure there are some that would vehemently disagree!
Leilastar, Brighton says...
2:04pm Fri 12 Feb 10
thensx wrote:So why are you turned against all students now? If you were once one yourself. And there are many of us doing worthwhile HARD degrees. I'd like to see people like you coming back to Uni as mature students and trying it for yourself.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Also in reference to your thoughts on students politics, the students at Sussex are protesting job cuts at Sussex as well as all over the country, have joined up with many organisations such as the worker's union and are currently supporting the worker's ballot for strike action. The city council of Brighton and Hove have recently made a statement completely supporting the students in their actions. Plus, University is a major part of society, we might all be 'flipping burgers' without it. So the people who think that student politics is not worth caring about are very wrong. In fact, if YOU don't care about student politics, why are you on this page in the first place?
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
2:17pm Fri 12 Feb 10
thensx wrote:It took you this long to come up with a rebuke? Yes it really is this easy for me, because it's incredibly easy to beat anyone who's arguments sound like the deranged ramblings of a man who's had half of their brain removed. For instance I have no idea what you're trying to achieve by repeating this "degree student grant" mantra over and over; the only possible translation is "money for doing a degree" which either means you're one of us in which case what the hell is your problem? Or far more likely you're an standard arse with an internet connection posting their own small minded views because they don't know any better, and think that they're automatically right.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Oh and if we're on the subject of "pathetic posturing" you're really not in any position to point fingers, and seeing as the cuts are on the news, in multiple papers and beginning to gather major government interest I would say that people do "give a to55" (did your s key break in shame by the way?) as you so delightfully put it.
Oh and on the subject of real world knowledge, I'm interning at a defence contractor over the summer so I would say my future is fairly secure, O great delusional one.
another village idiot, Hassocks says...
2:40pm Fri 12 Feb 10
These people are the future of our going to be skint for years country. They want the cuts to stop because the only way our country will become rich again is by attracting income from other countries, as we used to do. We need more university courses to produce credible students to carry out this achievement, otherwise we'll all be penniless. Just go out and walk about and imagine it 10 times poorer, that's how it could be. Stopping courses is the seed of poverty for millions, don't lambast these people, they're trying to make a stand.
thensx, Hove says...
3:15pm Fri 12 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:Ha ha ha, ooooh, touched a nerve there, did I hurt your feelings Student Grant? :-)
thensx wrote:It took you this long to come up with a rebuke? Yes it really is this easy for me, because it's incredibly easy to beat anyone who's arguments sound like the deranged ramblings of a man who's had half of their brain removed. For instance I have no idea what you're trying to achieve by repeating this "degree student grant" mantra over and over; the only possible translation is "money for doing a degree" which either means you're one of us in which case what the hell is your problem? Or far more likely you're an standard arse with an internet connection posting their own small minded views because they don't know any better, and think that they're automatically right.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Oh and if we're on the subject of "pathetic posturing" you're really not in any position to point fingers, and seeing as the cuts are on the news, in multiple papers and beginning to gather major government interest I would say that people do "give a to55" (did your s key break in shame by the way?) as you so delightfully put it.
Oh and on the subject of real world knowledge, I'm interning at a defence contractor over the summer so I would say my future is fairly secure, O great delusional one.
The Hindmost, Worthing says...
4:05pm Fri 12 Feb 10
thensx wrote:No, not really I just feel intense pity for someone who repeats the same three words over and over as though they were somehow relevant or sensible.
The Hindmost wrote:Ha ha ha, ooooh, touched a nerve there, did I hurt your feelings Student Grant? :-)
thensx wrote:It took you this long to come up with a rebuke? Yes it really is this easy for me, because it's incredibly easy to beat anyone who's arguments sound like the deranged ramblings of a man who's had half of their brain removed. For instance I have no idea what you're trying to achieve by repeating this "degree student grant" mantra over and over; the only possible translation is "money for doing a degree" which either means you're one of us in which case what the hell is your problem? Or far more likely you're an standard arse with an internet connection posting their own small minded views because they don't know any better, and think that they're automatically right.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Oh and if we're on the subject of "pathetic posturing" you're really not in any position to point fingers, and seeing as the cuts are on the news, in multiple papers and beginning to gather major government interest I would say that people do "give a to55" (did your s key break in shame by the way?) as you so delightfully put it.
Oh and on the subject of real world knowledge, I'm interning at a defence contractor over the summer so I would say my future is fairly secure, O great delusional one.
thensx, Hove says...
6:04pm Fri 12 Feb 10
The Hindmost wrote:Thank you for your pity Student Grant (try looking it up you thicko) my life is now complete! :-)
thensx wrote:No, not really I just feel intense pity for someone who repeats the same three words over and over as though they were somehow relevant or sensible.
The Hindmost wrote:Ha ha ha, ooooh, touched a nerve there, did I hurt your feelings Student Grant? :-)
thensx wrote:It took you this long to come up with a rebuke? Yes it really is this easy for me, because it's incredibly easy to beat anyone who's arguments sound like the deranged ramblings of a man who's had half of their brain removed. For instance I have no idea what you're trying to achieve by repeating this "degree student grant" mantra over and over; the only possible translation is "money for doing a degree" which either means you're one of us in which case what the hell is your problem? Or far more likely you're an standard arse with an internet connection posting their own small minded views because they don't know any better, and think that they're automatically right.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-)
thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't!
The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)
thensx wrote:Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.
and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way.
And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.
Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too.
Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'.
:-)
Oh and if we're on the subject of "pathetic posturing" you're really not in any position to point fingers, and seeing as the cuts are on the news, in multiple papers and beginning to gather major government interest I would say that people do "give a to55" (did your s key break in shame by the way?) as you so delightfully put it.
Oh and on the subject of real world knowledge, I'm interning at a defence contractor over the summer so I would say my future is fairly secure, O great delusional one.
tpebop..., Belarus says...
10:46pm Fri 12 Feb 10
thensx wrote:so reading your post, you are very smart ? what do you make a year ? for all your work.
The Hindmost wrote:Is it really this easy? Prove it? Oh dear, oh dear, today's undergraduates really aren't up to snuff are they!! :-) Yes, I have my degree Student Grant and it's given me a wonderful lifestyle. You need to spend a little less time with your pathetic posturing and a bit more time with your books so that you can get yours too. Here's a thought, no-one in the real world gives a t055 about student politics, just shut up, get your head down and try to learn stuff that will be useful to you in the real world otherwise you'll end up flipping burgers like loads of other recent 'graduates'. :-)thensx wrote:Prove it...oh wait you can't! and the quote comes from the chancellor of Bangor University by the way. And seeing as I spend my days in a lab, clumpy boots and a silly hat are the last things I'd be wearing, I'll give you 40% for effort though.The Hindmost wrote:Yes Student Grant, I got my degree back when they were actually worth something and I saw the inadequates like you who flocked into Student Politics for the easy ride. Did you get your quote from the Guardian? God Bless. Now get those clumpy boots and silly hat of yours back into the refectory. :-)thensx wrote: Today's student politics, tomorrow's politicians. Parasites.Yes because Computer Science, Engineering and Biosciences students so frequently go into Politics. Education is cheap, it's ignorance that costs, and so far you must have paid quite a bit.
Let me tell you something, I had many GRADS work for me, and 99% are as thick as two short planks. know all, know "F" all, only from a book NOT from real life !!!
I had no grades from school, BUT made millions, all about DRIVE !
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