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Is the church to blame for why the LGBT population want nothing to do with it?


Father Ray Blake of St Mary Magdalene Catholic Church, Brighton, has attacked gay people for being ‘hedonistic’ and complained that local politicians pander to the ‘gay lobby’ and are ‘ignorant of our faith’.

The offensive nature of Fr Blake’s remarks is unfortunate but what is more serious is his failure to understand the extent to which the church itself is to blame for many gay people and many politicians wanting nothing to do with it.

Father Blake’s God is for everybody.

The mission of Christianity is to extend God’s kingdom beyond the boundaries of just Israel, as in the Old Testament, to the whole of humanity across all the earth.

This is the good news, the gospel, of the New Testament and it really is for every human body.

To make the point crystal clear the Son of God spent his time sharing the lives of marginalised people whom society despised.

Sadly, however, the church has failed time and time again to realise how radical this message actually is.

Instead of condemning gay people Father Blake should ask himself what he is doing to evangelise the gay community, and why he does not have more gay people in his church.

The answer of course is that gay people are not there because of the Church’s relentless hostility and its misrepresentation of a handful of biblical texts to condemn them.

To justify its persecution of homosexual people the Catholic Church draws on just three brief texts scoured from the thousands of pages of the Bible: a) the ‘Sodom and Gomorrah’ story in Genesis, b) the Leviticus holy code and c) reference to ‘unnatural relations’ in a couple of letters of St Paul.

In the Old Testament, which was written in the Bronze Age some three and a half thousand years ago, the Sodom and Gomorrah story is about the failure to afford hospitality to strangers, a dreadful sin in the ancient Middle East.

Leviticus is a long list of so called ‘abominations’ which include eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and having sex with menstruating women.

Leviticus even prescribes the death penalty for disobedient children.

Why does the church single out one sentence in Leviticus, whose relevance to gay people is highly dubious, and ignore hundreds of others?

The suspicion must be that there is a pre-existing prejudice for which justification is being sought.

In the New Testament St Paul actually writes about ‘unnatural relations’ as a punishment for idolatry, the worship of objects rather than God.

Again it is debatable whether he really means homosexuality as we know it, but either way it is the punishment and not the crime.

In his 1986 statement Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who is now Pope Benedict, ignores Biblical scholarship to claim that the Bible condemns all homosexual acts, that homosexuals are ‘intrinsically disordered’ and have a tendency to evil.

With teaching like this it is unsurprising that gay people feel alienated.

Being a gay catholic has been described as being like a Jew in the Nazi party.

The unfortunate truth is that the Catholic Church has a truly terrible history of misusing the Bible to oppress and persecute many different groups: slaves, black people, the disabled, Jews, women, and gay people are in a very real sense just its current target.

Here may well be the explanation for Father Blake’s complaint that none ‘of the parties standing for election locally represent his religious views’.

Perhaps this is because none of them can stomach the obnoxious discrimination which his church pursues against a large number of their constituents, urged on by a pope who instructed his bishops to fight against the Equality Bill with ‘missionary zeal’.

The labour government, according to Father Blake, ‘has become contrary to the spirit of Christianity’ by which he presumably means supporting the human and civil rights of gay people.

Actually the labour government, and indeed most people, might think that the spirit of Christianity has more to do with loving your neighbour and welcoming everybody regardless of race, gender, ethnic origin, disability or sexual orientation.

An objective reading of the New Testament is a lesson in inclusivity.

It is arguable that the Holy Spirit is now working through the secular world to bring about change in God’s church.

Changing Attitude Sussex works for the full inclusion of LGBT people in the Church.

At our next meeting on Monday 12th April at 8pm at The Chapel Royal, Brighton,

Jeremy Marks of Courage UK will explain how he took the church’s beliefs seriously and tried to ‘cure’ gay people of their homosexuality.

After a decade he recognised that he had achieved nothing and had done a great deal of harm.

He made a public apology and now celebrates gay identity as a blessing from God.

Everybody is welcome, even Father Blake! More information is available at www.changingattitudesussex.com.

Comments(11)

elainepkils says...
4:48pm Fri 5 Mar 10

I agree that homosexuality is not a sin. How do you define a sin, to me it is when anyone thinks they are better and more worthy than others.You cannot judge a person until you know them well.
My mother always told me 'If you cannot say something nice about someone, say nothing.'
Men,women and children are equal, and while the religious factions of the World say malicious things,they will lose many good, honest people who believe in equality.

Real Brightonian says...
8:16pm Fri 5 Mar 10

Once again, one misinformed priest utters idealogical nonsense. But sadly Prof Sharpe lacks charity and humility, faith is a journey and will often take different paths for the individual, so instead of ranting Prof, look inwardly to see what you can do to bring informed education to those who are misinformed.

AngieRS says...
12:57am Sat 6 Mar 10

The Professor isn't ranting, real brightonian and it's not one misinformed priest. It's the whole catholic religion. Did you actually read the Professors words? How could you fail to notice his mention of the present bigot in chief in the vatican? From what I have just read the Professor and his colleagues are bringing informed education to those who are misinformed. Lacks charity and humility? You should be aiming those words directly at catholicism but I get the strangest feeling you won't be doing that any time soon.

tempus putationis says...
1:49am Sat 6 Mar 10

Father Blake has not ‘attacked gay people’ for being ‘hedonistic’: he was criticising those members of the homosexual community whose intent is to be ‘vociferous’ in pursuing ‘hedonism’. In other words, not all homosexuals behave in this way. Please read the text carefully, Professor, before you rush to judgement. People who are full of themselves and only care about their own pleasure are a pain, regardless of their sexual orientation. Father Blake has criticised local politicians, and has given good reasons on his blog (reasons which the Argus chose to omit). Thus, his remarks are not ‘offensive’.

Yes, the Son of God ate with tax collectors and sinners (not the ‘marginalised’, as you say!) but not because he wanted to encourage corruption or sin. He wanted them to repent and turn their lives around. He showed the hypocrisy of those who wanted to stone the woman taken in adultery: but he also said to her, Go, and sin no more. Catholics understand that we are all sinners. We all fall short of the perfection shown by Christ. But we keep trying.

Your argument regarding the Biblical references to homosexuality is not, I regret to say, honest. Lot (Genesis 19) faced a violent, hostile crowd of men trying to force him to let them ‘know’ his guests (although it was night time). ‘Their sin is become exceedingly grievous’, says the Lord (18,20). This can hardly be about the failure to afford hospitality, as you suggest.

The 27 chapters of Leviticus are, indeed, a long list of prohibitive and prescriptive guidelines, some of which seem bizarre to us today. We are not a people wandering in the desert without refrigerators! But chapter 18 is unequivocally about who we should or should not sleep with. Incest, **** and homosexuality are condemned. ‘Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination’ (18,22).
This is repeated in 20,13.

Similarly, there are so many examples of St Paul’s clear condemnation of homosexual practice in his epistles, that it really is disingenuous of you to try to restrict attention to the phrase ‘unnatural relations’ and ponder its meaning. The various translations of Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy offer many examples: men were consumed with passion for each other; men committing shameless acts with men; the effeminate; liers with mankind etc.

Next you misquote Pope Benedict. In his 1986 Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, the then Cardinal Ratzinger did not say that ‘homosexuals are “intrinsically disordered” ’. It was then, and remains, the ‘individual homosexual actions’ which are intrinsically disordered, not the people perpetrating the act. We are all sinners, but we are not intrinsically disordered, thanks to God.

It is difficult to respond to unspecified charges of ‘persecution’: as regards slavery, Pope Paul III wrote a bull way back in 1537 condemning slavery. Black or disabled people feeling persecuted by the Catholic Church is a new one on me; the heroism of Pius XII in saving thousands of Jews in Rome is well-documented, for those who can be bothered to read books inspired by fact rather than by KGB propaganda. As regards the persecution of women, well … I think I might know more of that than you, if it existed. Perhaps, since your organisation is Anglican, and abandoned at its inception over 1500 years of tradition, you assume that the tradition of male ordination amounts to persecution of women? The trouble with the implication that the Catholic Church is some monstrous tyrant, denying women their freedom, is that women in the ‘Catholic’ countries of western Europe feel highly valued: the female resentment and bitterness arose in the largely protestant, northern countries (and the US). Catholic women have a 'positive role model', as you might say: the only human to get to Heaven body and soul is a woman! So once again, your charge does not stand up.

Neither does the extract on your website from the twelfth-century Catholic St Aelred. Your attempt to imply that he was expressing homosexual leanings is hilarious! The ‘intimate affection’ and ‘embrace of a holy love’ is a spiritual tenderness: that is why he refers to ‘spiritual kisses’, not physical ones. The ‘sweetness of the spirit flows between you’, ‘soul mingles with soul’: St Aelred is talking about true friendship, which is loving, and holy, and totally trusting: but not sexual!

It is sad that some people in the homosexual community seem unwilling to accept that a loving friendship can exist without a physical relationship accompanying it. Friendship is beautiful, holy and chaste. It is also sad that you think that the Church hates you, as stated in your download ‘The Church is Sodomite’. Catholics do not hate the homosexual community: we think you are mistaken. We would like you to enjoy your loving friendships in a chaste manner. This means, just as it does for single heterosexuals, to be celibate.

elainepkils says...
4:29pm Sat 6 Mar 10

All those find words do not escape the fact that here is a man who belittles others, either for their gender, or their way of life. Mistaken eh, how are the religious so sure that to hate another person can ever be right... Let them look at themselves.
The Christians are killing Muslims, Muslims kill Christians. Leave people alone, after all your god created man, as you say.
Keep believing if you want to, you have the right, but leave others to believe what they want.
Priests abuse children, is that holy and chaste? I think not

Read the book 'God hates you, hate him back, -making sense of the bible-then tell me that Jesus loved us. Don’t think so.
Still I must stop as I do not want to preach to anyone.

bonio says...
12:26am Sun 7 Mar 10

all i can add to all this is that there are more than a handful of gay people that go to my local catholic church and we all seem to get on fine.so there!

metalrockchick says...
2:11pm Sun 7 Mar 10

tempus putationis you say that the Argus leaves out parts of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah then quote only one part of the story yourself. Yes the people in the street wanted to 'know' the visitor but what you failed to mention is that Lot then offered them his daughter/s instead implying that the rape of a woman is somehow a more moral choice than that of a man! Shame on you it proves just how twisted and female hating your religion is to condemn one act and then approve the same act in another simply because it seems less distasteful to a bunch of bronze age desert dwellers in another country and era. Gay people mostly find that they are absolutely not accepted for what they are in most churches simply because the creed itself is homophobic and backward. There are I am sure a few who do not behave so badly but unfortunately if you want to be a 'proper' Christian (or Muslim) and follow your holy book you actually have to hate homosexual people. Its the rules! Religion is at best pointless and at worst genocidal. What's more its based on untruths and backward morality. Whats the point? I don't blame the gay people in Brighton for not going to church why would they want to?

Turing Test says...
3:52pm Sun 7 Mar 10

"Catholics do not hate the homosexual community: we think you are mistaken."

You wrote a lot of words, Tempus, but you only needed this sentence to express how bigoted you are.

Laurence England says...
4:07pm Sun 7 Mar 10

I've written an article in response to this on my blog.

http://thatthebonesy
ouhavecrushedmaythri
ll.blogspot.com/2010
/03/time-to-give-arg
us-good-fisking.html


Whoever wrote this has greatly misrepresented both the views of Fr Ray Blake and the Gospel.

Angryoldman says...
10:33am Mon 8 Mar 10

And the church wonders why it's pews are empty and it's churches are being sold off.
I dont want to belong to any church or reigious holier than thou club. I dont have to take advise from religious nutcases who think because of some book written on the rantings of desert nomads in prehistoric times, they have the right to tell me how to live.
Hopefully one day man will be able to live in peace without belonging to any organised religion, all off whome are guilty of the deaths of millions.
There is more truth in the pages of a Harry Potter book than in any religious book.

rashika says...
12:29pm Wed 17 Mar 10

It's interesting, is it not, how the concept of 'sin' for most religions relates exclusively to sexuality. This is inevitable since human sexuality is a force of nature and organised religion cannot allow it to compete with religious morality. Why is it so difficult for so many Christians to understand the phrase 'Love thy neighbour?' As someone said in a similar context, kissing is the least violent thing men do to one another.


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